Orlando Magic Camp Countdown: Should Mickael Pietrus or Quentin Richardson Start?
Orlando Magic training camp opens on September 28th. Orlando Pinstriped Post counts down key questions to consider entering camp and the 2010/11 NBA season.
Four spots in the Orlando Magic's starting lineup are secure: Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter will get the nods in the backcourt, while Rashard Lewis will start at power forward, and Dwight Howard at center. For the second straight season, however, the small-forward slot is up for grabs. Mickael Pietrus and Quentin Richardson will get an opportunity during camp and in the preseason to make their cases to coach Stan Van Gundy. Who has the leg up? Who figures to be the better choice?
On the surface, perhaps it doesn't matter. "Six of one, half-dozen of the other," and all that. Here's a look at some of the striking similarities between Pietrus and Richardson over their last two seasons:
| Mickael Pietrus | Quentin Richardson | |
|---|---|---|
| 28 | Age | 30 |
| 6-foot-6 | Height | 6-foot-6 |
| 215 pounds | Weight | 228 pounds |
| 54.7% | True Shooting % | 53.8% |
| 37.1% | 3FG% | 38.1% |
| 54.8% | % 3FG | 55.9% |
| 73.3% | % AST | 68.8% |
Indeed, in addition to playing the same position, Pietrus and Richardson are roughly the same age and size. Additionally, they're both similarly inclined on offense, tending to launch three-pointers off the catch, and connecting at an above-average rate.
But there are subtle differences: Pietrus prefers the corner three-pointer, while Richardson tends to shoot from the wings. And thought Pietrus is more likely to drive, he's also more likely to settle for a bad shot attempt as a result. Another factor worth considering is Richardson's potential explosiveness: in 148 games over the last two years, he's made at least four three-pointers in 23 of them. Pietrus, in the same span? 129 games, but just 13 with four-plus treys.
Defensively, Pietrus has the upper hand. He's markedly more athletic than Richardson, who has suffered from back and knee soreness in the recent past, and more reliable when it comes to matching up against the opponent's best wing scorer. Richardson can provide a different look here due to his physical strength; he has Pietrus sorely beat in that regard. And, for what it's worth, Richardson said at his introductory presser that he anticipates having a great defensive season knowing that Howard is protecting the lane behind him.
On the whole, Pietrus has youth and familiarity with the team's system on his side, and he's joined the Magic's starting five in each of the last two season-openers. Yet he's also started just 49 of his 129 games with the Magic, and the team fared better with him as part of the second unit last year, benefitting from Matt Barnes' energy and hustle. Furthermore, a recent study suggested that the Nelson/Carter/Pietrus/Lewis/Howard configuration vastly underperformed last season; it proved less than the sum of its parts. Does Van Gundy trust that lineup to put it together this year? If the answer is no, the job clearly belongs to Richardson, despite his earning less than half of what Pietrus will this season.
The situation is, of course, fluid, and there's a decent chance the opening-night starter will shift to the bench for one reason or another as the season wears along; Barnes didn't wrest control of the starting job from Pietrus until December 30th, for instance. But overall, I'd expect Richardson to log more meaningful minutes with the four All-Stars.
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Time Share
I think this will be a time share.
Richardson has a bad back and will miss time if used too much. Pietrus is best when used off the bench where he can keep his energy high, and coach can limit his boneheaded mistakes.
This is just another placeholder-year. The Magic have to be thinking of getting a young, athletic 3/4 who can score off garbage (Tyrus Thomas with a 3-point shot, some of that old school Shawn Marion), or a big, defensive-minded, playmaking 2/3 (Andre Iguodala just pushed his stock up in FIBA play).
Either way, we need a long-term solution at the 2/3 that can give us a legitimate 3rd piece to go with Nelson and Howard.
I think you're right
Doesn’t it make sense to just use who we need from night to night? If we’re facing down someone with a great starting small-forward and a crappy bench, the Pietrus should start. If we’re facing a team with someone less explosive at the starting S/F spot, but with a stronger bench, Richardson should get the start.
The only thing that concerns me is whether or not Pietrus is a starter; or if he should be used more like Ginobli coming off the bench for the Spurs during their hey-day. I’d love to see him accept a bench role to the extent that he chases a sixth-man award all season long.
I don’t know if we really need to establish “the man” at this spot. That’s seems to me to be more of a team dynamic thing than an actual strategy thing, given that these two players are somewhat similar on paper.
I think you need a consistent, set starting lineup from night-to-night. Plugging in Richardson and Pietrus for matchup purposes runs counter to that idea.
But that’s just my opinion.
by Evan Dunlap on Sep 14, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you on this Ben,
the players need a sense of continuity.
And if Peaches wants the bench, I’m all for him getting it.
Let Richardson Start...
…but it’s still going to be a time share.
Last season Richardson averaged 27.4 MPG. Pietrus averaged 22.5 MPG. If we’re increasing Lewis’ minutes at SF, I think we’ll see Richardson’s minutes dip closer to PIetrus’.
I don’t doubt Richardson will be the guy on the court at the tip.
by Hoop Dreams on Sep 15, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Iggy Archetype
Not saying we can get Iggy. I’m looking at him as the type of player we need to use our trade chips to get: athletic, versatile playmaker, strong defender, can score off garbage.
We have a TON of pieces at the 2/3/4 that are expendable, if we get the right piece(s) back: Bass, JJ, Carter, Richardson, Pietrus. Gortat is also a trade piece. Anderson looks like the future at PF, so I don’t include him in this discussion.
It’s time (mid-season or over the summer) to get a player of Iggy’s caliber and skill-set to plug in at the 2/3, and we have the pieces to do it. It’s also time to move Bass and see what we have in Anderson.
by Hoop Dreams on Sep 15, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Peaches is best off the bench
but who knows how Richardson will play so……I have nothing useful to add.
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Anderson????
how about
Nelson/Duhon
Carter/JJ
Lewis/MP/Q
Anderson/Bass
Howard/Gortat
???
I think we will still be able to play the 4 and out but have more size out there to help d12 on the boards. anderson is a underrated defender and i think he can be a real good player for us if he gets the starting nod….. like the post said when MP starts “it proved less than the sum of its parts”. And i dont want Q starting for us cuz i really think he is the 8th best player on this team at best.
Anderson should be given more time at PF
And I’d start MP only (ONLY!!!) if he learns to pass the ball. So that means I wouldn’t start him.
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Anderson needs at least 20 MPG this season. That might mean Bass has to go.
by Hoop Dreams on Sep 15, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on who Richardson is now.
We haven’t even seen him on the Magic, or on a team like the Magic lately. We’re pretty sure he’s a great three-point shooter with a little more offensive versatility than Pietrus. If he fits in with the defense, he’s the obvious choice — but what if he struggles to grasp the rotations, shows up out of shape, etc.?
We also know that Pietrus has performed much better with the second unit in the past. So that would be ideal.
Either way, I agree Anderson should get more PT, but I also agree that Lewis has to start at the 4. He’s still our best defensive PF, and he can’t wear himself out chasing after small forwards all the time.
Unless, of course, it takes playing time away from Ryan Anderson.
Quentin’s 3fg% is slightly higher than even MP’s. And the explosiveness Ben talks about is the exact opposite of the player who previously started at SF, Barnes, and who was also exploited for being a poor shooter. In that regard, I see Quentin fitting very well. I think he’ll secure the starting spot consistently if he shows up in the defensive effort department.
With MP, I’d rather he start as always like Otis says, but I figure he will see even more minutes than last season anyways, being as the sole perimeter defender by name. And I think he will show it more this season too with SVG taking offseason time to visit him and what he’s said about MP and MP taking more focus in. As long as MP is defending great and shooting well, I can see him getting more minutes than Q Rich, even from coming off the bench every night. Also, I’m hoping to see a little experimentation with JJ Redick starting again. I’m ready to hand that spot over to him already, I would want to see it for 3-5 games to make sure he handles starting and bigger minutes well. And I talk about him because if he’s starting, I think MP is a better player to start with him too, so that could be an instance of MP starting. Also, SVG may just force MP into starting too if he really sees his defense being a key, you never know, he’s never given special time to MP like going to Paris.
Lewis vs other SF
I think Lewis will be ok against other SF. He did it for the sonics for years and like i said anderson is a underrated defender. Big long and he has D12 behind him. MP and Q are bench players in my eyes and we are in big trouble if either start for the magic.
Lewis was younger (obviously) when he played SF for Seattle. He doesn't have the speed and quickness to chase guys around anymore.
Good thing he wouldn't have to chase them all game
With MP and Q-Rich backing him up, and the option of switching over to PF when needed. Looking at the Ryan Anderson who started for the Magic vs. the Ryan Anderson off the bench, I don’t think we can afford to not have Anderson starting.
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