Pat Riley Blasts Otis Smith, Stan Van Gundy, and Others Critical of His Miami Heat
Miami Heat president Pat Riley fired back at an entire summer's worth of critics who made negative remarks about his free-agent haul of Chris Bosh and LeBron James, a list which includes two members of the Orlando Magicc's leadership team.
Before getting to Riley's incendiary comments, some background: Magic head coach Stan Van Gundy referred to Bosh as Heat guard Dwyane Wade's "lapdog" earlier this summer, while GM Otis Smith questioned James' competitive spirit for joining two All-Stars in Miami rather than staying in Cleveland.
And Riley? Nope, not happy about what those men had to say, reports Michael Wallace of the Miami Herald:
"When Otis Smith made a point about LeBron's competitiveness because he didn't stay in Cleveland, I thought it was an absolutely stupid remark," Riley said Friday. "He never made any kind of comment like that when he signed (forward) Rashard Lewis, and brought him down from Seattle to a $128 million Pat and Stan contract."
Of Van Gundy, Riley said, "I don't know what happened to some of these guys along the way."
Given the war of words, the teams' proximity to one another, and level of competition, it's quite clear that the games between the two will be hard-fought, contentious, heated, and entertaining. The first game happens October 29th in Miami, which is the Heat's home opener; they'll also battle in the preseason on October 22nd, but that one won't count in the standings, obviously. Buckle up.
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Pat Riley
I agree with Riley. Otis and Van Gundy had no reason to make those comments especially Van Gundy. Totally uncalled for. Van Gundy’s “Lap Dog” shows the trailer class that he has.
How about taking a championship away from a coach? How much class is involved in that?
by MagicMark on Sep 10, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great feed back Mark. I wholly agree. Riley ain’t exctly a good guy..
by derekk on Sep 10, 2010 5:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A coach who choked in post season the year before
and cost Wade and Shaq a title. Van Gundy wasn’t respected by the players and as far as YOU know (unless you have information the public does not), he resigned his position. That is either truly the case…or Van Gundy doesn’t have the balls to tell the truth.
I would really like to know where you get this “Gundy wasn’t liked by the players.” Shaq is the only one (far as I know) who is obviously immature enough to put hating a coach over playing team basketball.
by derekk on Sep 10, 2010 8:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't know who you were talking about, but I just saw him over at Peninsula...
What a complete d-bag! I am in no way associated with such a…..well, I don’t know what the approved list of insults here is. But pick one of the worst ones and apply it to him…
I just saw the post he made about Ben Q Rock….that’s some serious BS. I would think the moderator of the Heat blog would have the decency to take such a disrespectful, inappriate post (poll and all) down ASAP
Not exactly either. Miami and Riley, (even tho Miami Heat and their fans hate SVG and think he’s a bad coach wink wink), almost never let SVG go to Orlando. It was assumed Orlando paid Miami, essentially traded for him. There could’ve easily been multiple non disclosure agreements.
by derekk on Sep 11, 2010 2:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Essentially traded for him?? Are you a conspiracy nut?
Did you forget about the whole failed/reneged Billy Donovan signing? (correct me if I’m wrong on the name, I mean the Gator coach) SVG was not the first choice for the Magic. You may also remember SVG repeatedly saying that it was HIS choice to step down, he was in NO WAY coaxed, and that he supposedly wanted to spend time with his family. Did this hypothetical non-disclosure agreement require SVG to be an on-the-record liar? That doesn’t seem likely.
All I’m saying is, unless someone has some credible information that states SVG was forced out, then this is purely rampant speculation that you are using to further your POV
Check these things out bro. SVG was the 2nd choice, but that doesn’t change the matter of fact in Orlando basically trading for him and wanting him badly (sure, it was like a 2nd rounds-like small trade but nonetheless shows the value in SVG). The rest of your post is all opinion, that luckily you’re in the minority with nation wide. We all have our opinions and I respect them all.
by derekk on Sep 11, 2010 5:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it is speculation
but it was a widely known fact that many members of the news media shared when it happened
The media was also fully conviced that “two black guys” killed Natalie Holloway because that seemed like an easy answer versus the looking at the white kid with money. I don’t believe that the media’s opinion (without credible, REVEALED sources) means a whole hell of a lot.
yes, the brutal murder of a young woman
is TOTALLY equivalent to Stan being forced out by Riley.
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by TheGiantSquid on Sep 11, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
that whoosh you heard
was the point flying right over your head
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by TheGiantSquid on Sep 11, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Queen of the one-liners
Got any intelligent contribution to make? Not so much? Ok then
How the hell do you bring up something so serious and off topic and find a relation to baskeball would probably mean you’re getting a one liner or two.
by derekk on Sep 12, 2010 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or they forced him out and gave him money so he wouldnt talk about it?
thats not exactly selling out
Shaq bad mouths everyone
The players play, not the coach, sometimes the ball doesn’t bounce your way. Quite frankly, if Wade didn’t go supernova in the championship year, the Heat would not have won either. That was no coaching job, that was just a team playing well and one man going off at the right time.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
Sure, that makes sense....the coach has nothing to do with the team playing well
And it was all Wade, no one else…. which is why the Heat have been so good the past couple seasons……Oh wait, that’s right, they weren’t….
taking a championship?
the heat were below .500 when Riley took the team, shaq didn’t like Gundy. he didn’t have what it took to coach that team. Get your facts straight, before you say he stole a championship, if Gundy stayed the heat would not have won that year. there’s a reason Riley is a Hall of Famer and Gundy is not.
by Dolphins21MZ on Sep 10, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Heat were not below .500 when Riley took over the team in '05
According to basketball-reference.com, the Heat were 11-10 (.524) when Van Gundy resigned in December of ’05.
This came the season after the Heat finished 59-23 and came within one game of reaching the NBA Finals with Van Gundy at the helm.
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by Mike from Illinois on Sep 11, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Down the stretch, horrible coaching calls were made
Shaq was downright dominant down the stretch of 2 games against the Pistons in the ECF and Ron Jeremy went away from him. Granted, Damon Jones’ poor decision making contributed, but Van Gundy’s coaching was widely (and rightfully so) criticized from within and outside the organization.
I realize that a lot of you are trying to talk out of your butts (hope that language is ok) because you are homers that understandably love your coach, but I was an avid Heat fan at the time and can remember the circumstances in fairly vivid detail. Wade undermined Van Gundy as much as Shaq did….the team didn’t trust him. I’m not saying that was necessarily right of them, but it is accurate. Van Gundy is an abrasive guy with a very limited playbook, at least he was in 04-05.
Ok, thanks for coming over and telling us. :D
by derekk on Sep 11, 2010 2:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dwyane Wade's rib injury really hurt the Heat in the '05 Eastern Conference Finals
Miami was up three games to two over the Pistons when Wade hurt his ribs and missed Game 6 and was not at full strength for Game 7, as he shot just 7 of 20 and finished with 20 points in the 88-82 Pistons’ win.
You can say that bad coaching calls were made by Van Gundy and I’ll respect your opinion, but having no D-Wade for Game 6 and a sub-par Wade for Game 7 hurt the Heat more than anything else.
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by Mike from Illinois on Sep 11, 2010 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Shaq got a wicked thigh injury as well. I wasn’t saying (or at least wasn’t trying to) that SVG was soley responsible for the loss. I, like many other fans of the team and members of the media at the time, felt SVG made some bad coaching decisions down the stretch. Just my opinion, that’s all.
Fair enough
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by Mike from Illinois on Sep 11, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Maybe the Heat players didn’t like Van Gundy, no one here ever said he was a player’s coach. He is blunt and in your face, maybe players who were admittedly partying every single night on South Beach had no patience for listening to a real coach. It is quite possible. But to denigrate the man’s coaching ability is folly, he has a proven track record of success to go with your proven track record of pissing off players. As a fan, I like coaches that don’t tip toe around players but demand the best and say it like they see it. You say we are homers for defending Stan, but I think the opposite is tru, you are showing homerism by trash talking a former coach of yours in order to make Riley seem better or justified. I have a feeling Stan didn’t put up with the all night parties of his superstars-the same thing that he battled Hedo about. But Wade and Shaq will win that fight everytime without a GM with a backbone. Unfortunately Riley decided to undermine him so that he could be the man, but it all worked out and everyone is happy. I say I will agree to disagree about Stan’s abilities.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
Amen. If the players can’t handle SVGs personality, then it can get ugly, that’s just Stans way. The Magic players excel because of what Stan brings as the coach and they listen. It’s a perfect complimenting mix.
by derekk on Sep 11, 2010 4:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But to denigrate the man’s coaching ability is folly, he has a proven track record of success to go with your proven track record of pissing off players
I had no idea that I personally had a track record of pissing players off. I didn’t think they even knew I existed :)
But Wade and Shaq will win that fight everytime without a GM with a backbone.
Are you calling Riley a GM without a backbone? LOL… the guy is one of the biggest hard@sses in the history of the game. Or are you talking about Pfund? Because I think everyone realizes that he was essentially a scout and Riley has long been calling the shots.
In Van Gundy's first two seasons coaching the Heat...
…Miami improved by at least 15 wins over the previous year in both seasons. The Heat went from 25 wins in 2002-03 to 42 wins in 03-04; then went from 42 wins to 59 wins in 04-05.
This is the only time in NBA history that a team has improved their record by at least 15 games from the previous season in a head coach’s first two years with the team. Of course, the players deserve credit for that also, but SVG’s coaching had something to do with it too, even if you think the players didn’t trust him or that he made bad coaching decisions.
I will give Pat Riley credit for leading the Heat to the championship in ‘06 (that was a heck of a comeback after losing the first two games to the Mavs), but if Van Gundy had remained Heat coach, who’s to say that the Heat would or wouldn’t have won it all. It’s just speculation, so we’ll never know.
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by Mike from Illinois on Sep 11, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What else happened between 03-04 and 04-05? Oh yeah, they got one of the most dominant big men of all time who had a GREAT season in which he should have won MVP (closest vote in NBA history). Give credit where credit is due.
I did give credit to the Heat players
It’s in my previous post.
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by Mike from Illinois on Sep 11, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
do you even go here?
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by TheGiantSquid on Sep 10, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, far-way's been part of this community since last year.
Also, thanks for reminding me of Mean Girls.
(Mean Girls was what I was going for)
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by TheGiantSquid on Sep 10, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Trailer class??? How about Riley....
who took SVG championship away from him by stealing the job from under him and the same thing is going to happen to Spolestra. I mean everyone is entitled to thier opinion but i mean come on man…
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Sep 10, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The heat were horrible with Gundy that year, Riley had to take command.
by Dolphins21MZ on Sep 10, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, why is everyone ELSE outside of Orlando & Miami in agreement that Riley took over? And that there is high sentiment Riley will AGAIN take over Eric Spoelestra some day? It’s ok tho, Riley is a low morals/loyalty person. That actually helps in basketball management.
by derekk on Sep 10, 2010 8:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
far-way, that was totally uncalled for. You have no reason to make those comments
You just showed the trailer class YOU have!
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by AB's triple double on Sep 10, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Stoop low?
Otis and SVG were only voicing their OPINION Otis played in the League and SVG would’ve been a CHAMPIONSHIP winning Coach had Riley’s greedy arse not step on his toes and came back to coach SVG’s TEAM! It’s ON now!!! GO MAGIC!!!!!!
Let's not speculate on coulda wouldas
Stan wasn’t the coach, no matter what the reason. You can’t predict if they would have won either way.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
You may attack me all you like but I don’t think Bosh should have been called a “lap dog”. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure not a Riley or Miami fan.
So I hope it means that you only resent SVG for making a poor comment, instead of anything deeper..
by derekk on Sep 10, 2010 8:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
I agree with both of their statements.
Bosh was a lapdog, and he milked the publicity of pretending to be deciding when really he was waiting for DWade to tell him.
Lebron showed his competitiveness wasn’t up to par when he first signed with anywhere but Cleveland when the he vowed not long ago to never leave and to bring the ship to Cleveland. But he showed that he really wanted the easiest possible route when he signed with Miami and two other all-stars.
But hey, you can disagree with them, I don’t understand what the big deal is. Stan also said that he agreed with his brother that they would break all kinds of records…Those 3 teamed up to make a super team, I think it was lame and chicken to do. But hey it happened and now everyone else has to deal with it.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
And right before "The Decision", SVG was claiming it was a sure thing LeChoke would stay in CLE
The guy likes to talk… the guy likes attention… Stan gets into the media for making outlandish, unfounded statements and he loves it….more power to him, but that doesn’t make him any better as a coach
Bosh = Total Lapdog! Actually, that’s an insult to dogs…
I would too though
I mean if reporters were in my face everyday after work, there is no telling what I would say. You keep bringing up Stan’s coaching which has a fantastic record though, you really shouldn’t use that as ammo.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
I feel like some people are ignoring the bigger picture
Yeah, his W-L percentage has been very good in both Miami and Orlando…. Do you know who else has had a great W-L percentage? Mike Brown. That’s all I’m saying. You don’t necessarily have to be a great coach when you have great players
Bosh did puppy dog
with Wade, and admitted he was toying with people the whole time just for the attention.
Stan just called it like the millions of bored bloggers already had, we just didn’t have mic. But I suppose if you didn’t like it, you didn’t like it. It won’t make much difference next year, if the Heat gel and can defend the paint somehow, the rest of the league is done. Too many easy scoring options on that team.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
Oh Riley
you douche
I'm a girl.
Always / I wanna be with you / And make believe with you / And live in harmony, harmony / OH LOOOVE!
In the picture
Is Riley demonstrating the exponential growth of his ego or the shrinkage of his prostate? He looks like 120 in that picture.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Sep 10, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions
Ben, can you lift the cursing ban for this particular article.
Seriously…%$%#%$*& this guy and his band of punks he assembled in the offseason. Im really sick of LeBaby and Chris “I’ve never won an important basketball game in my life” Bosh.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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by KingJafi on Sep 10, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I love you King.....JAFI that is!!!
I mean I feel the same way…These@$#$)%$ have been ruining my summer….and I know Dwight, and Q Rich, Ice-O and rest of the crew is #$@#$ tired of hearing it..
How you gonna call Otis “completely stupid” for that remark. I know Otis aint having that….
Cant wait till this game comes on….
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Sep 10, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll agree with you…these guys clearly ruined my NBA offseason. Usually KB8 is the only one that has the ability to do that. Is that guy even still alive?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
shoot yeah....he is just waiting....
He send out Ron to grab the media attention while he is getting up shots in he gym….i swear they better not lose a game or i am blasting them in a fan post…no cursing of course…
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Sep 10, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Riley, Riley, Riley......smh
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case, 'cause "...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
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The anticipation is killing me......COME ON 10/29.....you cant get here soon enough.
If I didnt get a gun pulled on me every other time I go to Miami, I would find and pay whatever amount I had to be there. Im not exaggerating about the getting the gun pulled on me thing either. It didnt happen last time, so Im due the next.
That’s a little harsh about the city of Miami. I went to college and lived there for 5 years and never got a gun pulled on me once. Where you hanging out when you’re down there? Overtown? Grand Ave? Liberty City?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
Im usually just passing through on the way to the Keys
The worst was when I had 5 guys chase me on 95. They pulled up next to me going 80mph, rolled down their windows and all I saw was a Mac-10 and 4 pistols pointed at me. Im glad I had the car I did (which is probably what they wanted), I put the petal to the metal and lost them at about 130mph. Its happened a total of 6 times. No BS. And I have never been to the places you mentioned. West Miami is about the worst part Ive been to and nothing happened there. Ive been to the worst parts of L.A., the Bronx, the south side of Chicago with no incidence. I lived in Atlanta for 2 years….nothing. I think there may be a “hit” out on me in South Florida or something.
I love when Ben comes in with the..."Hey, there" or the "Easy"....
You know whats up….cool it partna!!! LOL!
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Sep 10, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions
Easy.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
LOL!!!!! Thats what I am saying!!!
BEN Q ROCKS!!!! but his avatar scares me….its half of a face….i am terrified…
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Sep 10, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad it makes no sense..
I don’t get where Rashard Lewis signing applies here, so sorry Riley, bad comeback.
If Lewis has signed with 2 other superstars the comparison would be valid. Otis signed Rashard to a max deal by himself. Explain to me how thats the same thing.
Yea, I don’t even understand that. The Magic weren’t even high profile yet. They had to overpay to some degree, and Rashard is the critical stretch four that makes the wholeeee system work.
by derekk on Sep 10, 2010 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It makes no sense to refer to Rashards signing
He was on a losing team for 9 years with Seattle. Cleveland have been #1 in the league for last 2 years in regular season n went to the finals.
by isum on Sep 10, 2010 10:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea, and for anyone ready to come in with no other teams with cap space BSery, Seatle was ready to S/T for a 2nd rounder and 500k cash. That opens up every team.
by derekk on Sep 11, 2010 5:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ah, a rivalry is born.
Yes the Magic and Heat have been rivals before this year, but it has always been more of a friendly rivalry. Now it’s moving towards being a bitter rivalry between the two. And that’s exactly how I’d like it to be.
GRUDGE MATCH
It is better like this haha. Much more involved now.
by derekk on Sep 10, 2010 8:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m a little surprised Riley took this long to fire back. And their big 3 is quiet too. Guess they’re trying to play it out before talking too. The Orlando-Miami rivalry is getting as big as Im expecting. I’m sure Orlando Magic has the upper had with chemistry and the biggest mismatches. (Dwight, Jameer, even Lewis does good against Bosh). And Otis is in the background with future roster moves that I trust in, whether minimal or major. It’s gonna be a huge rivalry, but Itll be Orlando Magic on top in the end.
by derekk on Sep 10, 2010 5:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jeez, Patty
You won, man. You got the big three. You don’t have to be an ass any more! Didn’t you get the memo?
by eltharion_doa on Sep 10, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
F Riley!
He eats babies and performs animal sacrifices in his office. I hope Stan shoves a fat …. Tasty Cake in his mouth!!!
Put that in your eggs and beat it, heat fans.
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!
by chiefs_55 on Sep 10, 2010 8:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Those who live by sword, die by sword
What happened in MIA was neither illegal nor unethical, from an organizational standpoint. When such war of attrition starts, both sides have to be faulted, regardless of who said what. Although LeBron’s decision has arguably tarnished “Brand LeBron”, that was his personal decision, and he – only he – has to live with it. Any personal comments – opinion or else – are cheap, and should be avoided.
That’s why Im dissapointed in LeBron the most. In fact, Riley and Wade did what’s best for the franchise despite LBJ not announcing with his “equals” Wade and Bosh, and making it a debale later on. It was all legal and justified, I just hate how LBJ is an immature punk. I’m not a drama fan, so Im not gonna keep arguing about who said what, who started what, blah blah. I’m gonna enjoy the rivalry of a lifetime and see Dwight & Magic win their title.
by derekk on Sep 10, 2010 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not illegal or unethical?
Well, given Mickey Arison’s son’s exclusive access to the trio years ago through Team USA activies doesn’t exactly prove that. In fact, it leaves far more questions than answers, but I think we all know Stern wants no part of looking into that
Conspiracy theory does not count becuase the burden of proof is on the theorist
Of course if someone brings the case up appropriately (e.g., in a court of law), David Stern has to look into it.
Kind of like how he "looked into" the refs after Tim D?
He’s got two superstars and Bosh and in a great market….the last thing Stern is looking to do is make waves
This is exactly why Pat Riley is a clown.
The Rashard Lewis comparison was off-base on so many levels, it’s not even funny. LeBron James is arguably the most over-rated athlete in professional sports history. When you are constantly compared to the likes of MJ and Magic, you’d think LeBron would either create his own legacy in Cleveland or go to a team like the Knicks, Nets, or Clippers where he wouldn’t seek the aide of two of his Team USA buddies. Rashard Lewis on the other hand was a borderline all-star player who never had ESPN kissing his butt all the time. As another poster said, the Magic team Shard signed with was not as top-heavy as the Heat team that James signed with. Dwight was still emerging as a top Center in the league and Jameer was slowly coming into his own at the time. On the Heat, you have the 2nd best SG in the NBA after Kobe and a top 10 PF (if not top 5) in Bosh. Shard is no doubt a worse player than Bron Bron but what does it say about LBJ if he needs the help of two other Team USA starters to win a championship?
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Top 3 PF
Only Pau Gasol is better, in my book. Tim Duncan’s a center, so no, he doesn’t count.
by Evan Dunlap on Sep 11, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Bosh is 2nd best PF in NBA?
Do you say that based purely on stats? I have to assume you are not taking leadership ability, HEART, a winning mentality, nor the opponents’ respect/fear of him in to account when stating your analysis.
Mark my words….Chris Bosh will never again have a statistical year like he did last year. He was just playing (when he felt like it) to show D-Wade he knew enough tricks to be an ample lapdog
Who's better?
That great “winner” Carlos Boozer? Amare “My Teammates Hate Me” Stoudamire? Dirk “Never Won Anything” Nowitzki? Zach “Headcase” Randolph? Josh “I Take 3 Point Shots Because I Hate Winning” Smith?
Kevin Garnett’s the only one with intangibles clearly better than Bosh – and he’s closer to Elton Brand as a player than he is Chris Bosh. The intangibles don’t make up for that.
by eltharion_doa on Sep 11, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I would take the following PFs ahead of Chris Bosh if we were doing a PF only draft:
Pau, Dirk, Amare, and probably Josh Smith. Can’t think of any others.
Bosh is better than Smith
He’s got a much better all round game than Amare too, although he’s not as dynamic.
I think Pau’s the best, then Dirk, with Bosh just behind them.
by eltharion_doa on Sep 11, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't give a rip about heart or other intangibles. It's not his fault the Raptors stunk.
Blame Colangelo for that.
by Evan Dunlap on Sep 11, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
When you are cleared to play by all medical personnel and your team is in a playoff hunt, as leader of that team, you play. It’s that simple.
He did them more of a favor by not playing.
His not playing let them get a higher draft pick (i.e. young talent) to aid in the rebuilding process. As opposed to what? Being blown to smithereens in the first round by the Cavs.
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