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Off-Day Open Thread: Who is the Orlando Magic's Biggest Rival?

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If you're at all familiar with my work, you know I don't often veer into topics charged with emotion. But I think it's relevant to discuss, with the NBA season looming, who the Orlando Magic's biggest rivals are. For once, it's actually a question worth considering.

The term "rival" comes up far too often in sports, I believe. The New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox have a storied, decades-long rivalry, and play in the same division, for instance, but the Yankees are a cut above the Red Sox right now; the Tampa Bay Rays pose a more immediate threat to their chances of repeating as World Series champions than the Red Sox do. In a rivalry, what I look for is competitors at roughly the same level, preferably among the elite. I mean, the L.A. Clippers and Minnesota Timberwolves might have bad blood stemming from the Timberwolves' hilarious tanking effort to avoid having to deal a draft pick to the Clippers, but because neither of those teams matters much in the NBA landscape, you'll have a hard time convincing me I should care.

Having established my preferences here, we should now take a look at the contenders for the Magic's biggest rival.

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Boston Celtics

Head-to-Head Record Since 2007: 7-4 regular season, 6-7 postseason, 1-1 in postseason series.

Overall Head-to-Head Record: 41-42 regular season, 9-8 postseason, 2-1 in postseason series.

Narrative Evaluation: The Magic and Celtics are linked pretty tightly since both franchises made major moves in 2007. In Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, Boston infamously added two Hall-of-Famers, while the Magic brought head coach Stan Van Gundy and Rashard Lewis. Though they didn't meet in the postseason that year--the Celtics dispatched the Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals, one round after the Pistons sent the Magic home--they've had some memorable battles in the ensuing seasons. Boston took a 3-2 lead in the Eastern Conference Semifinals in 2009, but the Magic charged back to take that series, which included blowing the Celtics out on their home floor in Game 7. Boston got its revenge this year, though, jumping out to a 3-0 lead on the Magic in the Eastern Conference Finals and ultimately knocking them out in 6 games.

Additionally, Celtics forward Paul Pierce made headlines during the 2009 Finals when he likened the Magic to a "poodle" against the "german sherperd [sic]" L.A. Lakers, and vowing that the "rotwieler [sic]" Celtics would give them what-for next year. Magic fans laughed and pointed to the imaginary scoreboard, but Pierce backed up his tough talk this spring with some remarkable performances against the Magic.

Celtics center Kendrick Perkins also has a contentious relationship with Dwight Howard, most famously when asked for his response to Howard's winning an Olympic gold medal in 2008. He retorted, "What's his impression of me after I won a ring? I don't watch people like that. I'm not a fan of everybody." Since the two often guard each other, and get quite physical, things can get heated in a hurry.

As far as competitiveness is concerned, it's hard to get much closer than the Magic and the Celtics have been since 2007. In the 24 meetings (counting the postseason) between the teams in that span, the Celtics have scored 2206 points to the Magic's 2197. A one-possession margin decided six of those 24 games. When the two teams play, you really ought to tune in.

L.A. Lakers

Head-to-Head Record Since 2007: 4-2 regular season, 1-4 postseason, 0-1 in postseason series.

Overall Head-to-Head Record: 12-31 regular season, 1-4 postseason, 0-1 in postseason series

Narrative Evaluation: Playing in opposing conferences means these teams don't play quite often, but given the fact that the Lakers ended the Magic's championship hopes with a 4-1 victory in the 2009 NBA Finals, they merit consideration here. Adding salt to that wound is the fact Jameer Nelson, who torched the Lakers in the Magic's regular-season sweep of L.A. that year, was hardly himself in the Finals series after returning from a shoulder injury which ended his regular season on February 2nd. Oh, and there's the matter of Courtney Lee missing a difficult lob layup attempt which would have won Game 2 of the Finals in regulation for Orlando. Instead, the Lakers took the game in overtime.

Orlando fan-favorite Matt Barnes signed with the Lakers this summer, which should a) improve L.A.'s depth at small forward and b) make its games against the Magic this season that much more interesting. But because the only way these two teams will meet in postseason play is if they both come out of their respective conferences, it's tough to peg them as rivals. Frequency of play, in addition to the hostility and emotion while playing, matters when discussing rivalries.

Miami Heat

Head-to-Head Record Since 2007: 9-3 regular season

Overall Head-to-Head Record: 40-43 regular season, 2-3 postseason, 0-1 in postseason series

Narrative Evaluation:

The Magic/Heat rivalry has proven fairly one-sided in Orlando's favor since 2007, but the Heat's appearance has more to do with their future roster than the one that's struggled against Orlando in the recent past. Indeed, among the 18 players the Heat have under contract, only Joel Anthony, Mario Chalmers, Udonis Haslem, Jamaal Magloire, and Dwyane Wade have suited up as members of the Heat against Orlando.

But in adding LeBron James this summer, Miami has certainly vaulted itself into championship contention, and made its relationship with the Magic more interesting. James' incredible showing in the 2009 Eastern Conference Finals wasn't enough to get his Cavaliers over the hump against the Magic, but it did establish him as an individual rival of Orlando's. And it's valid to compare him to Howard, insofar as they're both among the best players in the league who entered it just one year apart.

Chris Bosh hasn't enjoyed much postseason success in his seven-year career, but he's among the most prolific Magic-Killers in recent memory. His career averages against the Magic? 23.2 points and 10.0 rebounds, including five games of 30-plus points.

And, of course, there's Wade, who has six games of 30-plus points against the Magic in his career, and holds the two highest-scoring performances against the Magic since 2007: 50 points in 37 minutes in February 2009 and 48 points in 52 minutes in December 2007. All told, the Heat's new trio have combined for 15 of the 55 games of 30-plus points against the Magic since 2007... and that was when they were starring for their own teams. Together? They won't combine for 90 in a single game against the Magic, but they have three scorers who've proven they can handle Orlando's defense. Combining their skills should make for a fantastic rivalry for years to come, and it's likely that they'll match up in the playoffs at least once in the next five seasons.

There's also the issue of how the Heat almost blocked the Magic's hiring of Van Gundy. As he held a consultant position with the Heat prior to accepting the Magic's coaching offer, Heat boss Pat Riley demanded compensation from the Magic to release Van Gundy from his Heat contract. The Magic agreed to Riley's terms, conveying the 39th pick in the 2007 Draft, as well as the right to swap first-rounders in the 2008 Draft, to Miami. Though Van Gundy's success with the team since has made that price more than worth it--the players selected with those picks are Stanko Barac and Darnell Jackson--Riley's ransom, however reasonable, did little to smooth relations between the two Florida teams.

Going back further, the Magic had one of their most memorable playoff series in their history against the Heat in 1997, forcing a decisive Game 5 in Miami after falling into an 0-2 hole. Penny Hardaway scored 83 points in the next two games when the Magic tied the series despite the absence of Rony Seikaly--whom I remind you is the third-best center in Magic history--who went down with an ankle injury in Game 3. They sorely missed him in Game 5, when the Heat's starting frontcourt of Jamal Mashburn, P.J. Brown, and Alonzo Mourning mustered 34 rebounds; the Magic, as a team, snared but 37 caroms.

There's also a long list of players who've worn both uniforms, which Shaquille O'Neal headlines. Seikaly, Hardaway, Dan Schayes, Isaac Austin, and Jason Williams are also on that list, which Orlando's Quentin Richardson will join this year.

Conclusions:

One can make a strong case for any of the teams here being the Magic's biggest rival; as with most things, the selection comes down to personal preference and, in this case, idiosyncratic interpretations of the word "rival." Don't let the length of the contenders' respective write-ups influence your poll vote. Speak your mind, and let's hear about it in the comments section.

Poll
Which team is the Orlando Magic's biggest rival?
The Boston Celtics
360 votes
The L.A. Lakers
46 votes
The Miami Heat
283 votes
Other (please explain in comments)
7 votes

696 votes | Poll has closed

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Personally, right now....

The Celtics are our biggest rival. Everytime we play them it’s a knockdown drag out affair. Bad calls, tough play, big shots, awesome performances, almost every single time. Before I would have said the Cavs but since LBJ isn’t there anymore, I don’t think they will be.
    With that said, The Heat are notorious for some of the worst bandwagon fans in the history of florida sports (Not all, just some but I’m serious, explain to me how you have one of the 5 best players on planet earth, locked up long term with cap space, but can’t manage to fill a NEW stadium to half capacity once a week?). Yea, Bron, Bosh, and Dwade are going to cause this to happen again. Not to mention, All of the Miami trio have had their playoff/season dreams crushed by the Magic at least once over the last three years. If the match-ups hold and the intensity is there, this could turn into a version the 90’s-00’s FSU/UM rivalries.

by LastActionZero on Sep 1, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Bean Town Hands Down

I can understand the attraction to the Heat, since they are the new league-wide villains, they have crazy star power, and they play in our backyard.

However, Miami is weakest where we are strongest: PG and C. Plus, we haven’t played a game against this fully revamped roster, so I don’t see them as our rivals at all.

On the other hand, everything we do is built around Dwight and 4-out-1-in, and Boston is the kryptonite to Superman — as far as that’s concerned.

We’ve also had to battle through them in the semis or Eastern Conference Finals the last few years.

Adding Shaq only makes them bigger rivals.

by Hoop Dreams on Sep 1, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Boston (for now).

We still have to see if Miami’s game of All-Star Jenga can stay standing…

…and also, if a predication is that the teams must be “near equal” to be considered rivals, then we have to face the fact that with those Wade/James/Bosh stats there’s a possibility that these teams won’t be.

Time will tell.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Sep 1, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

My blood starts boiling everytime I see a pic of KG.

I hope we get to play them in the playoffs this year again to settle the tie breaker. Eliminating KG and shaq’s fat ass in one shot would be better than a big bowl of cookies n cream ice cream

Never trust a fart

by AB's triple double on Sep 1, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Honestly, I would have said the Cavs. But that is laregly irrelevant at this point.

Fan of Magic (99-00), Gators (06-07), & Rays (08-09)
Troy Hudson & Keith Bogans' Biggest Fan

by Reediculous on Sep 1, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Same with the Pistons

"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum

by MNeilson on Sep 1, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Maybe in a post titled "Who is the Orlando Magic's Biggest Rival Has-Been?"

Fan of Magic (99-00), Gators (06-07), & Rays (08-09)
Troy Hudson & Keith Bogans' Biggest Fan

by Reediculous on Sep 1, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

all of the above?

I'm a girl.

Always / I wanna be with you / And make believe with you / And live in harmony, harmony / OH LOOOVE!

by TheGiantSquid on Sep 1, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Heat

Boston’s big rival is the Lakers, and I just can’t accept a rivalry where one side takes it way more seriously than the other.

Orlando hate Miami, Miami hate Orlando. It’s perfect.

by eltharion_doa on Sep 1, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Celts have a more current rivalry with us.

But for the long term our rivals are the Heat. I’m just thinking back to the past, where I’ve always hated that team. Another part of it is that I have family members who are Heat fans so we’ve always had a little cross family rivalry there.

Either way, I think we can all agree that we would like to see the Magic knock all three of these teams down a peg.

The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy

by cgsimone on Sep 1, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Miami-Orlando. Hands down.

It’s just like the old North Cal.-South Cal. rivalry of Sacramento and L.A. Although historically, L.A.‘s biggest rival will always be Boston. But nevertheless, It’s quite fun to see a real rivalry between teams in one state. North Fl.-South Fl. between Miami and Orlando. It looks good on paper too. And I don’t think anyone would want to take away from the Boston-L.A. rivalry. It’s just too epic a rivalry for anyone to think they deserve to be rivals with either team. I’m not bashing the Magic or anything, but seriously, Boston and L.A. will always be the biggest rivals. And it doesn’t sound good if our biggest rival has an even bigger rival (like if Boston is our biggest rival, Boston will still have a bigger rival in L.A.). So there.

by (o.O) on Sep 1, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

My vote: Miami

I’ve always felt for a rivalry to be real both sides have to agree, mutually dislike each other (even if it just professionally) and usually something is at stake. We may hate Boston (and I do) but as fans I don’t think that makes it a rivalry, mainly because I don’t think Boston and the fans think of us on that level. Do they like us? No. But I don’t think they circled the dates on their calendar for the Magic. I think they were more interested in the Cavs (oh well for that). The Heat on the other hand meet all the requirements. Territory, division, history, coaches, once top dog but knocked off now armed for a return, etc. It can’t get any better than that.

by telka on Sep 1, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Miami

For me it is Miami. Boston has LA and so an Orlando/Boston rivalry is really only one necessity, as both teams have put forth contending squads the last two years. With Miami though it is more than that; it is a cultural rivalry, with close proximity of the markets and the common Riley heritage. Boston and LA grew their rivalry through their respective dominance in their own conferences and constant battles for the overall crown. The Boston/Orlando rivalry is only a shadow of that, played out during a much smaller time-frame and on a much smaller scale. Orlando/Miami however has the makings of the great inter-division rivalries like Spurs/Mavericks or even Yankees/Redsox. So yeah, I’d say Miami easily.

'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12

by Eyriq the Red on Sep 1, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I said Miami.

Boston has been the last two years. But it will be Miami. A lot of players on the team have things against us already, so it won’t be very tough to escalate the rivalry up a few notches immediately with that first meeting. I think Dwight and Stan are both really fired up about it too, although I think they’re trying to downplay it a bit.

I would still take a victory over Boston in the playoffs as a consolation to not winning the title though. Can’t stand those guys.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on Sep 1, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I picked the Heat before I read all the comments here

I agree I dislike Boston as well.. but then again I think every non-New England basketball fan almost does. They’ve got a lot of haters.

So I think despite the fact the Magic-Heat rivalry hasn’t really hotted up (when one team’s up, the other is down), I think they’re the real rivals. If I remember correctly, the rivalry was there even before an NBA basketball the dribbled in Florida

by RL Magic on Sep 1, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Boston Celtics

For the past few years, the team that has troubled the Magic the most is Boston. I know the Heat being in FL naturally would initiate a rivalry, but with Miami not being as competitive, it hasn’t been much of a rivalry. With the Heat signing their big 3, I’m sure the rivalry may, and most likely will surpass the Celtics. But, so far, Miami has not accomplished anything, thus my selection.

by Hassanali181 on Sep 1, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

if not for lebron leaving Cleveland

It would be them. Hate the state of Ohio, the city, the fans, the jerseys, the announcer, the fact that everyone thought they were better than us, the fact that they were on TV more than us, the fact that Mo Williams was considered the second best player, the fact that they brought Shaq and Jamison just to combat Orlando, the fact that they lost to Boston and costing us a trip to the Finals, the fact that Mike Brown was given coach of the year when he obviously sucks, the weather of their city, and of course their stupid arena. But now I hate Boston the most. And I don’t think Boston views us as a little step brother. They were pissed how we thrashed them two years ago. Doc hates us because we fired him. Dwight hates them because they sign the best players that defend him. Ray Allen hates us because JJ shut him down two years in a row. Boston hates us because we have awesome weather. We hate Boston because they think they are better sports and are more sophisticated. We have lives outside sports and instead of dying and being upset when our team loses, we go to the beach and get a tan. Boston is the team I hate the most. Nothing is even close now that LeBron left.

by Mateo9399 on Sep 1, 2010 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Even though they will suck

I still hate the Cavs. A lot. Hope their franchise dies off.

by Mateo9399 on Sep 1, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I got out of this was-

“…the Grizzlies won 49 games?!”

"It's difficult to win when you're outscored in every quarter." -Bill Walton

by betterthanburke on Sep 1, 2010 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

There's a few..

Hated Indiana.
Hated the Rockets.
Hated the Heat.
Hated the Bucks.
Hated the Pistons.
Hated the Heat again.

But I’ll say for the time being, it’s gotta be the Celtics.

by REP96st on Sep 2, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

More like the Good Guys that's tired of being good.

We need more toughness overall. More D. A few of these teams (Celtics, Heat) will be calling us Soft. They need to pay for their words. And y’know Queen James still has it out for us since we beat him in the playoffs 2 years ago, so we really need to pay attention to the Heat.

The whole team needs to have a Physical/Mental toughness.We need to jump on teams and keep pounding them. -I say it’s time for some payback.

by REP96st on Sep 3, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

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