ESPN Panel: Orlando Magic in the Mix for Chris Paul, But Not for Carmelo Anthony
by Evan Dunlap on Aug 18, 2010 2:30 PM EDT
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PrintESPN continues its NBA Summer Forecast series, which solicits the opinion of 93--count 'em!--panelists on a variety of hoops subjects, today with separate looks at where All-Stars Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul will land via trade or free-agency; Anthony can be a free agent this summer, while Paul has two years left. Both have reportedly expressed an interest in the Orlando Magic.
However, none of the 93 panelists listed the Magic as a destination for Anthony, while 16 said the Magic could land Paul. "The Magic might be able to deliver the best deal out there," says ESPN's panel, "a package starting with All-Stars Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter [...]"
The panel selected the New York Knicks as the most likely destination for both players.
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93 panelists
ESPN will hire just about anyone with NBA experience and call them a “panelists.”
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by Wally Balls 407 on Aug 18, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, I really dislike this 93 panelists thing
There are some guys at ESPN whom I really respect and love their work and analysis.
There are also the Jon Barrys, and I want to know who voted for what.
I agree NY should be at the top of the list.
But if Melo’s camp is saying that Orlando is a top destination for him, how do we not even get one vote?
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
ESPN loves calibrating rumors to tease Knicks fans.
Not saying it will or won’t happen but I imagine it has something to do with ratings. The population in NYC is 9 million+ and it they push the “Melo has NY at the top of his list” rumor it drives the ratings for the network way up.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Aug 18, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Since it is a panel of 97, I'm guessing the question was posed a day or two ago when it was stated that Melo wasn't signing an extension
I think the Magic angle happened today, and besides, maybe the ESPN guys don’t read Ken Berger. To be perfectly honest, I never even heard of Berger until the Chris Paul rumors, so I am not even sure if that guy is any reliable.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
Panel of 93, I meant
I guess I was trying to include the close relatives of Ric Bucher, Jon Barry, Mark Stein, and Chad Ford each into the panel.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
I don't know...
…but I hope and pray these 93 guys are right about this. Anthony would destroy this team’s chances of getting anywhere. I’m not saying I’d lose all interest in the Magic if they had him…
…unless they traded Nelson and/or Anderson for him.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
Geez
Tell us how you really feel about Carmelo.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Aug 18, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not joking.
I could never bring myself to root for Carmelo Anthony. The fact that he’s a horrible, low-percentage chucker is only part of it. I don’t know what I’d do if the Magic got him… it depends on whether the players I actually like are still on the team.
And really, when I’m making a list, Nelson, Anderson and Dwight are the only ones I feel any real attachment to. Maybe Lewis, though I’m a little worried that Lewis is in decline, and the next couple years are just going to be frustrating. (Or maybe last season was just an off year.)
You cut into that, AND you bring in a guy I cannot support, and… well, I’m just saying there are a few teams out there with multiple players I like. Some of them even play in my time zone.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
Lol
It’s cool. You’re entitled to your own opinion, as is everyone at OPP. I’m just busting your balls.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Aug 18, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he doesn't pass.
He doesn’t play defense. And he’s a less accurate scorer than anyone on the ’09-10 Magic.
Just because he does things badly a lot doesn’t mean he does things well. In fact, that is the opposite of what that means.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
"Incorrect" how?
Are you saying he’s an accurate scorer? Because the numbers say he’s not.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
He was the only potent offensive threat on his team.
It kind of works like that when the defense doesn’t have to do anything except top you and cover one player (Chauncey) on the three point line.
They had four players who averaged 13.7 PPG or more last year.
Seven who averaged 8 PPG or more. If Carmelo was the “only potent offensive threat” on the Nuggets… which he wasn’t… it’s only because he didn’t let anyone else shoot the ball. (Even though practically everyone else shot the ball better than him when they did have the chance.)
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
I hate to repeat myself from the other post
but I will anyway. Carmelos numbers from last year are as follows: PER 22, Usg% 33, TS%54, eFG%48 while scoring 28.2 points a game. Kobes numbers from last year are as follows: PER 21, Usg%32, TS%54, eFG%49 while scoring 27 points a game. Both mens stats last year are very close to their career averages blah blah blah….does Kobe suck? Did Carmelo have a better supporting cast last year than Kobe?
Kobe is in rapid decline, yes.
He’s also an elite defender and a strong passer. Kobe minus defense and ball-handling wouldn’t be worth very much at all.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
OK, Im still in mathketball mode
Kobes PER last year: 21.9, Carmelos? 22.2. Thats all the postive and negative stuff they do for their team combined and spat out in one convenient number. You say Kobe is a better passer and ball handler. His TOV% 11.4. Carmelos: 10.6. Ast% Kobe: 21.9, Carmelo 15.9 Kobes an elite defender right? His Blk% 0.5, Carmelos 0.9. Steal% Kobe 2.1, Carmelo 1.7. TRB% Kobe 7.7, Carmelo 13.1. They are so close in most advanced statistical categories its scary. Call Kobe a weak, inefficient player. Say his team would be better off without him. Say his team wins in spite of his presence instead of because of his presence. Say it because thats what you are saying about Carmelo.
Kobe is a better defender.
Defense is the hardest part of the game to quantify into statistics. Block% and Steal% are somewhat useful, but can lack context. No one in their right mind would ever tell you that Carmelo is a better defender then Kobe is, even at this stage of their careers.
Carmelo in his prime is about as good as Kobe at 32
and 1,100+ games.
Carmelo after 7 seasons is not as good as Vince Carter after 7 seasons. If you are going to use stats, apply logic too.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Read some of my other post in other threads
That was my point, advanced stats dont show you everything. BTW, Kobes numbers last year are in line with his career. Hes had better and worse years.
Last year was Kobe's worst year since 2000.
Bad knee, bad finger, getting older.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
PER also rewards inefficiency
It assumes the average shooter shoots .304 from 2 and .214 from 3, and anything above that earns bonus points. Since the actual averages are .463 and .356 respectively, a mediocre volume shooter has an inflated PER compared to a selective sniper.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Please, I will say it again
I played mathketball with some people that wanted to shoot down Carmelo based on advanced stats. My whole point all along is the advanced stats do not paint the whole picture. Im not stat guy.
But you're the only one using PER...
…which is a deeply flawed “statistic” which rewards raw “counting” stats over percentages, and attempts to synthesize multiple unrelated stats.
eFG% is nothing like that. (And TS% is not much like that either.) They’re raw stats — they don’t try to synthesize or predict anything. They just mark down what actually happened on the court. Which is that Carmelo made a lot of shots, and a lot of them were lousy shots.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
Now we're back to basics
Carmelos basic stats are: 28.2 points a game at 46% FG on a 52 game winner. THATS AWESOME by any standard. And certainly a helluva alot better than what we have on the wings right now.
He also used a ton of possessions, which our small forwards don’t use. They averaged 13.9 shots per 48.3 minutes combined. If Anthony used the ball at the same rate, shot the same percentage, had the same proportion of shots, he’d score 12.1 points a game at 46% on the Magic.
As far as how many points he scores compared to how many shots he takes, he’d be a third option at best on the Magic. Howard, Redick, Anderson, Lewis, Gortat, Bass, Williams, and Johnson are all more likely to score points when they shoot than Anthony. They don’t score as much because they don’t shoot as often, but they are more likely to get points for their team when they do shoot.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
No.
Points per game are a function of shots per game, not a function of talent.
FG% is flawed because it doesn’t distinguish between two-pointers and three-pointers.
And the Muggets’ win total is the Nuggets’, not Carmelo’s.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
You guys swith direction more often than the wind
I use basic observation, you want to sight stats. I use stats, you use advance stats. I use advance stats, you use basic observation. Rinse, repeat. I have proved my point OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Argue amongst youreslves. I have work to do. I’ll be back later.
I've been saying the same thing the whole time.
I’m using raw stats (eFG%, TS%, usage), you’re citing anecdotal evidence. I talk about eFG% again, now you bring out clearly worse stats (FG%), I talk about eFG% and usage, you drag in a made-up “stat” that doesn’t even exist.
You still haven’t engaged the one relevant, indisputable fact in this discussion head-on: Anthony’s many, many shots lead to relatively few points for his team.
I understand you’ve run out of straws to grasp at, and now you have nothing left but to say, “look at all these straws! How do you explain how many straws there are?”
But you can’t act like you’ve been anywhere near the original point at any time in this discussion. You couldn’t have acknowledged it, because it makes all your arguments invalid.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
If you need to get the last word in thats OK
My ex-wife was the same way. I used every method of evaluating a player you can, and on paper Carmelo and Kobe (one of the greatest players ever) arent much different. You can say Kobe sucks all you want. Doesnt take away his 5 rings. If you dont like Carmelo on a personal level just say so. If theres something about him you dont like, thats OK. But statistically (your original analysis and basis for not wanting him here) doesnt hold water. And I will share an ancient basketball secret with you, its the key to the entire game. Are you ready for it? Here goes: IF YOU WANT TO SCORE ALOT, TAKE ALOT OF SHOTS! Please enlighten me if you know of another way of scoring points in basketball.
But here's the thing.
If you’re scoring 28.2 points, but you have to use up 28.8 possessions to do it, that’s not helping your team. Because if you use 28.8 possessions, the other team’s going to get 28.8 possessions right back. And odds are, they’re going to score more than 28.2 points with those possessions.
How’s this for a way of scoring points: pass the ball to the open man, who can take a high-percentage shot. You’re going to get more points out of the same number of possessions.
And when the Nuggets avoided giving the ball to Carmelo, they did get more points. The best way to avoid giving the ball to Carmelo? Don’t get stuck with him on your team.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
Just tell me one thing so I can decide to continue this conversation
Do you stand by your statement that you would not trade Ryan Anderson for Carmelo Anthony?
That's not what I said.
Of course I’d trade Ryan Anderson straight up for Carmelo Anthony. (Not that that would work under the cap, or that the Nuggets would do it if it was.) If only for the trade value, I’d do that.
I said that I as a fan would most likely lose interest in the team if they traded players I liked (e.g. Anderson, Nelson) for players I actively disliked (e.g. Anthony).
Of course, part of the reason I like those guys is that I feel they help the team win, and part of the reason I dislike Anthony is that I feel he disrupts the teams he’s on.
But what I said was clearly about my feelings as a fan, not about basketball.
I guess your reading comprehension is at the same level as your math skills.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
I guess your basketball knowledge
is limited to your ability to use a calculator. Is 3.3 the measure of your manhood?
Wow, you're funny.
I point out how you’re avoiding the truth, you decide to change the subject… by deliberately (?) misconstruing a statement I made. I point out how you apparently can’t read, you go ad hominem.
I mean, that’s predictable. If you had any honesty in you, you would’ve admitted you were wrong a while ago, but I suppose I have to admire your tenacity.
The same way I admire Carmelo Anthony’s tenacity as he shoots a 35% contested jumper while Ty Lawson is just standing there wide open. It may not be very smart, but damned if it’s not determined.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
You got personal first boy
The only truth Im avoiding is that you may see the error in your evaluation. Carmelo is a very good player. PERIOD. His efficiency is on par with one of the greatest scorers ever. PERIOD.
And I point out your obvious attempt at obfuscating the issue, and you retreat to your original unverified assertion The eternal dance continues…
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
OK, let me try this another way
Im going to post some numbers for you. Guess the player that posted them and what the results were. TS% 53, eFG% 47 Usg% 34. Before you answer, are those good numbers? Now, name the player and the results.
Need help?
I’ll give you a hint.
He took 23 shots a game.
no one cares
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Jordan at 34 was not MJ. 97-98 was his worst year ever other than the comeback.
What is you f’ing point. Your credibility is slipping away and you are acting like a LAkers fan visiting a Magic board.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My credibility?
It means so much to me that you care. The fact that you would downplay MJs accomplishments speaks volumes about your “credibility”. At 34 he was still better than 99.999% of anyone to ever play in the NBA. I know it must be tough on your math club to be proven absolutely clueless about the game.
Site's gone downhill in the last few months.
I hate to say it, but I’m seriously considering leaving unless there’s some improvement.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
I have felt that way for a while and took a week off. Most of the semi-trolls go away, but not this a.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 20, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
gonna let a troll chase you away?
I'm a girl.
Always / I wanna be with you / And make believe with you / And live in harmony, harmony / OH LOOOVE!
by TheGiantSquid on Aug 20, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Not one troll.
I feel like it’s been just a series of trolls, semi-trolls, and otherwise misinformed people. I mean, there were always idiots roaming around, but it feels like they’ve grown louder and more numerous ever since Eddy left.
(Which, of course, is not to slight Ben at all. He does a great job.)
I don’t know. Maybe things will clear up a bit when the season starts up and there are actually things to talk about. I’d hate to think the site was on any kind of irreversible decline.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
You guys tease
If you want a social networking site that only allows your friends its called Facebook. I thought we were having a friendly conversation about basketball. That is until I was attacked personally. Then I got personal. You people really dont like dissension, do you? You got about 10 minutes to attack, then Im leaving to go PLAY BASKETBALL. Something I’ve been doing since 1977. Probably longer than most of you have been alive.
You have made more personal attacks than any regular “contributer” to the board. The horse is dead. This board is dominated by educated stats guys, live with it and quit your bitching.
I had been playing for 17 years before you started. You have no history, kid.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 20, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Good on you North Carolina Magic fan
As a player, you would undoubtedly know the disconnect between educated stat guys and experienced participants in the game. As far as my personal attacks go, site me a few unprovoked attacks. I try to be as courteous in here as I would be in person. If Im wrong about that, I would like to know. You should come down to RDV on Friday nights, great pickup games with alot of current college players and even some past Magic players on occasion. Oh yeah, you dont actually live in Orlando, as is the case with most people on this board. Ever wonder why the time stamps are in Pacific time? Where does this Orlando fan board originate? Im beginning to suspect alot of people on this board are bandwagoneers.
Oh its the pot calling the kettle black
I just looked at a few of your profiles. Wow, you guys frequent alot of other teams boards. Correct me if Im wrong, but isnt that what a troll is?
I lived in Orlando, but have grandkids in NC. You will grow up and understand one day how important that is, if you bother to grow up. Yes I am a member of many SB Nation boards. I am a BASKETBALL fan. My wish is for a Magic championship. If you want to know your competition, visit their sites and find out what they are thinking. As the wise man said, keep your friends close and your ememies closer.
The game you play and the game I played is not the game they play in the NBA todat. When you cannot use your hands on defense, then the offense has control of the game. That is not the game we plated in high school or college.
Don’t get yourself banned, please. Accept that your opionion does not agree with the majority on the board, but your input could still be positive if you care to let it be.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 22, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats one of things I love about basketball
Opinions dont matter. At least from our position. The game is played and the results are conclusive. I dont want to get banned. Nothing personal against anyone. I cant help but notice that you used a term that got one of my post deleted (b______g). That may seem petty and juvenile to point it out, but I dont care for the double standard. Now that dads (Ben) involved I wont respond to your “if you bother to grow up” comment ;-) Its all good fun bro. GO MAGIC!
opinions don't matter?
say whaaaaa? If opinions didn’t matter then we all wouldn’t sit around complaining about refs lol
also, both of you just stop, good grief. Just agree to disagree! It happens.
I'm a girl.
Always / I wanna be with you / And make believe with you / And live in harmony, harmony / OH LOOOVE!
by TheGiantSquid on Aug 23, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
XOXOXO @ Squid
I wish my girlfriend liked basketball as much as you do.
they always disappear when the season starts
three years here and it’s always been the same.
I'm a girl.
Always / I wanna be with you / And make believe with you / And live in harmony, harmony / OH LOOOVE!
by TheGiantSquid on Aug 20, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You have proven you point.
You hate stats!
You hate statisticians.
You hate numbers!
You probably hated your 3rd grade math teacher!
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
Mrs. Simmons was mean as hell.
Which is a major difference. I respect what Hollinger did, trying to find the best single descriptive measure of what a player does, but it’s flawed both intrinsically and in execution. There is no single number that can describe a player’s value, precisely because of what Ajax said – there are multiple simultaneous events occurring, it’s not always clear precisely what happens, and attempting to value a player based on an aggregate number is risky. It’s flawed in execution based on the weighting of the numbers, which rewards volume over efficiency and has an emphasis on stats that aren’t necessarily meaningful.
Long story short, that’s why I tend to prefer the descriptive stats that look at one thing. To me, it’s more useful to say Player X’s TS% dropped, and that it appears to be because he took fewer shots at the rim and more long-ranged 2-point jumpers. That tells you what happened, and why it happened.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Being able to average more than 14 points per game doesn't make you a potent offensive threat.
Get off the high horse and chill 3.3
Um, yeah, it kind of does.
14 points a game is kind of a lot of points a game. Granted, the guy who was averaging those points was Nene Hilario, who does a lot of his scoring on put-backs and the like… I’m not sure they run a lot of plays for him. (Though maybe they should… he’s insanely efficient.)
And some of the guys who were in the 8-10 PPG range were backups playing 20-25 MPG… so yeah, these are guys who are part of the offense. They’re active out there. And when they got the ball, good things happened. So why did the ball end up going to Anthony for another contested shot so often?
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
You're quite the Magic fan
Ready to bail after a single trade that doesn’t get your seal of approval? Yikes…
There are 3-4 reasons why I'm rooting for the Magic right now.
I’ve been a Magic fan for 15 years. That doesn’t mean I’ve been actively watching the games that whole time. For one thing, I don’t even live in Florida, and haven’t for over a decade. And if they trade two of my favorite players for a chucker with ties to organized crime in Baltimore… ugh. You know? Just ugh. I might be back some day, but I don’t want to see that style of basketball, and I don’t want to see anything good happen to Carmelo Anthony.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
OMG MAKE IT STOPPPPP
*CRIES *
I'm a girl.
Always / I wanna be with you / And make believe with you / And live in harmony, harmony / OH LOOOVE!
I cannot respond to this . . .
It is a more than 3 word comment.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
OH SHI--
WHAT HAVE I DONE?!
I'm a girl.
Always / I wanna be with you / And make believe with you / And live in harmony, harmony / OH LOOOVE!
by TheGiantSquid on Aug 18, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
:D?
I'm a girl.
Always / I wanna be with you / And make believe with you / And live in harmony, harmony / OH LOOOVE!
by TheGiantSquid on Aug 18, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You lurv that picture almost as much as Gortat lurvs his rebounds
Honor is no substitute for victory.
it's a great picture :D
I'm a girl.
Always / I wanna be with you / And make believe with you / And live in harmony, harmony / OH LOOOVE!
by TheGiantSquid on Aug 18, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I though the Chris Paul trade talk was dead?
I mean after that big trade last week, I think its pretty obvious New Orleans is gonna stubbornly try to keep him (yeah this is gonna work lol)
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
*thought
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
by Wasabi Steak on Aug 18, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
everything you thought was WRONGGG
I'm a girl.
Always / I wanna be with you / And make believe with you / And live in harmony, harmony / OH LOOOVE!
by TheGiantSquid on Aug 18, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN PANEL: POLLS ARE APPARENTLY MEANINGLESS
A panel of 93 experts gathered by ESPN admitted today when questioned sternly that their polls are, for the most part, completely without value. “Well, I mean, we speculated about Lebron James for months, and like, only one of us got that right,” Marc Stein was quoted as saying.
Researchers at the Institute for Pointless Sports Drivel confirmed the findings of these polls. “For the most part, you’re better off with a Magic 8-Ball than paying attention to any of this crap,” said Senior Researcher Telka G. Squid, “I mean, virtually no-one at ESPN has correctly predicted a trade in about three decades.”
Fans of the Orlando Magic, the New York Knicks, and all other interested parties were advised to not give much credence to what is, in all probability, pure unadulterated bull-s.
Awesome we are getting paul or wait melo no wait M J is traveling in time and we will trade for him in his prime.
Get over it we have our team at leased till feb.
so i guess we should just wait until the season to post any news?
hell why even have a magic blog, we dont have a chance against the heat anyways.
3.3seconds is crazy
Carmelo would be a great upgrade to our team… Especially with SVG coaching him instead of that Bum George Karl…. When was the last time Coach Karl ever took a talented team far into the playoffs… dont worry Ill wait……… Yea never even when he had his big 3 in Millwakee….I just think he needs to be in the right place with the right coach and he can win…. I think playing with Dwight makes anyone instantly better as well…..
great upgrade to our team ???? Seriously
I’m not as strong against Melo as 3.3, but I do not believe he’d be a good fit for our team. Exciting to watch – yes. Good fit – NO. Playing the 1 in, 4 out requires good ball movement and balanced scoring. I have a hard time seeing Melo giving up his 30+% usage and all of a sudden becoming more of a team player which we’d need to win it all. Vince struggled last year to become more of a team player rather than the go to guy. He took some god awful shots at the expense of Lewis and Howard not getting as many scoring opportunities. Vince usage 23.3%, D12 21.5% and Rashard 19.4%. Last thing we need is someone that wants the ball at a 30.5% usage. I say let him go to NY.
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I disagree
I think Carmelo would shine on the Magic. The way Denver is setup, it is required that Melo put up those numbers and shots. I tend to think of the Olympics when I envision his potential, and he played extremely well alongside other high usage scorers. The guy can score from anywhere, and can spot up shoot. I think that you and 3.3 are incorrect and a scoring wing is what this team has been lacking. We have had no one besides Dwight that can demand a double team, and Melo would give us that. It isn’t going to happen (trade) so I won’t argue too much, but I think he would make us better than we are now, depending on the cost of course. Nelson, Melo, Shard, Howard and Redick or Richardson = better than now. The other side of this coin is that if we get Melo, and convince him to sign a lower wage deal, wouldn’t you think that would improve our chances of getting Chris Paul in the future since he has already alluded to wanting to play with him?
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barring a minor miracle/act of god we wont have both of those players on our roster along with dwight howard
it is extremely unlikely we get either of them
Signing Melo would really reduce the likelihood of Paul in Orlando
the owners are generous, but there is an upper limit on how much they would spend plus the Magic only have so many trade chips. Orlando is too far over the cap and lux tax to sign Paul.
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by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Why was it "required" that Carmelo take so many bad shots?
Because he didn’t have other, more efficient scorers on his team? (He did. He didn’t pass to them.)
Because he took a lot of shots with time winding down? (The Nuggets were one of the league’s fastest-paced teams last year. Unlikely.)
Because he was helping his team? (Repeat: they were bad shots.)
To feed his ego? (This possibility can’t be discounted.)
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
Because he took a lot of shots with time winding down?
Not this one. 37% of his shots came within the first 10 seconds of the shot clock. Another 50% were from 11-20 seconds. Only 12% were in the last 4 seconds. For comparison, Vince “Chucker” Carter shot 29% in the first 10 seconds, 59% from 11-24 seconds, and 13% in the last 4 seconds.
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He was the best option on his team by far.
Nene? Birdman? AC? The Nuggets, to me, seem to be built with specific people to be the volume scorers, while the rest are slashing defenders that score without the ball (Offensive rebounds, bailout passes). Only JR Smith, Billups and Melo are really scorers, their uptempo play is to open up more easy basket opportunities for their non scorers. But regardless, I can not say what will happen, which is why I look at when Melo was on the USA Team with other scoring options, and he provided, again in my mind, a very good efficient scorer. I think that he would thrive in this role on the Magic. But it wouldn’t happen anyways, so it isn’t worth arguing about. As for getting Chris Paul point I made, I was really speculating that perhaps Melo would take less money, and we would get Paul in two years (free agency), when Lewis’s contract would be expiring thus allowing us some affordability.
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Not a fan of his
But I believe Karl had some good runs with Seattle back in the day…
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
Yeah, he even coached the Sonics to the Finals and lost to the Bulls
Of course, I’m sure that had absolutely nothing to do with George Karl’s coaching.
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by funny80sguy on Aug 19, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
A coach can't make a low-percentage shooter into anything but a low-percentage shooter.
Well, if he can restrict the player’s usage, maybe… or convince him to pass the ball instead of running at defenders for a contested shot.
But I ask you… what part of Carmelo Anthony’s game or background says “coachable” to you?
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
I cannot believe some of the thinking on this board
Let’s get something straight, Carmelo Anthony is EASILY one of the top 7 players in the NBA. His talent, not only on offense, but his size/strength/quickness in rebounding/defending is invaluable. I could care less what your “advanced stats” say, because quite frankly, advanced stats are a JOKE in basketball. Did you really think that all there was, or even MOST of what there was to a GM job was checking out basketball-reference.com or 82games.com? Then why do so many GMs fail miserably? Perhaps they haven’t found out your “secret” PER yet or your confidential efficiency numbers yet? If only Otis Smith would have taken your calls, then you would have shared with him your secret efficiency numbers and he would have NEVER offered Rashard Lewis that bogus contract. Darn, why didnt he take your calls? What a dummy!
These people don’t seem to understand the massive difference in a game like baseball vs a game like basketball. Baseball is a game where advanced stats have a very high level of integrity, while in basketball one could say that they are almost worthless. In baseball you have a series of quantifiable instances with structured rules for ascertaining positives and negatives via a grading scale. You have 1 individual going up against another 1 individual. The only aspect of the game which is clouded via multiple individual participation is fielding. And even in this aspect it is clouded to a much lesser extent than any aspect of basketball, since interaction is minimal and the participants are relatively stationary.
However, you move on to a game like basketball and it is the complete opposite. Where before you had a 1 vs 1 competition (hitter vs batter, over the span of 1 pitch), now you have a free flowing game with 10 people on the court interacting at once. If you know anything about math, you know just how many different possibilities arrive adding just 1 extra variable. Instead of structured rules for ascertaining positives/negatives via a grading scale, you have multiple interactions between 10 individuals over a period of 20 or so seconds (1 possession) which results in 1 outcome. 10, 20, 100 different things could have happened in that time in order to result in a basket, a turnover, etc. In baseball you have 1 thing for 1 outcome via 1 person against 1 other person. A guy pitches the ball against the batter, the batter swings, it is a strike. In basketball where you have the 100’s of different moving parts by 10 individuals over a period of time which result in 1 result —-who made it happen? In a 2pt basket it was JUST the 2nd to last guy passing (assist) and last guy shooting (basket) that made the entire thing happen right? The 100 or so events which transpired before with 10 people interacting with one other is deemed absolutely irrelevant by “advanced stats.”
Yet these people just mozy along believing that they have found the holy grail. It is so funny. Even advanced stat guys in baseball who are actually on to something, have more humility. These sabremetrics folks even say stuff like “we are only at the beginning, we are just learning, etc.” Yet in basketball, where advanced stats are almost worthless, or at least much closer to worthless than in a sport like baseball, you have these guys claiming they can determine everything by visiting basketball-reference.com. It’s called hubris.
Anyone claiming any of the following should be laughed at:
1) Carmelo Anthony is not one of the top 10 players in the NBA
2) Kobe Bryant is not one of the top 2 players in the NBA
The funniest thing of all is that these people want to discount RESULTS, you know, like winning things, the point of the game, and hype up their advanced stats. It is really funny once you take a step back and look at things from a perspective.
people should be "laughed at"? if they dont think kobe is not top2?
its a game man, get over yourself.
not going to waste time arguing your other points.
by MagicMark on Aug 19, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
holy wall of text, Batman!
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by TheGiantSquid on Aug 19, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
“Wandering in a vast forest at night, I have only a faint light to guide me. A stranger appears and says to me: My friend, you should blow out your candle in order to find your way more clearly.”
Are the advanced stats perfect? No, they’re still in development. But they give us a way to see who’s good on a bad team and who’s deadweight on a good team. If we looked only at “winning things,” Luke Walton would be more valuable than LeBron James. After all, Luke’s got rings.
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you would have shared with him your secret efficiency numbers and he would have NEVER offered Rashard Lewis that bogus contract
Steve Kyler at Hoopsworld remins us:
When Rashard hit free agency in 2007 he met with several teams… The Soncis were his home team, and they offered him the Max possible, which at the time was a six-year contract worth more than $110 million.
Seattle set the price. Rashard talked with several other teams including the Mavericks, the Rockets, Clevaland and Orlando.
Orlando offered the situation he wanted to be a part of and Orlando was willing to match what Seattle, Houston and Dallas were willing to give him.
Otis Smith didn’t open with $110 million… he was told thats what it would cost and ultimately Orlando did a sign and trade deal to get him in Orlando… since 2007 Orlando has won 52 games in 2007-2008, 59 games and the Eastern Conference in 2008-2009, and 59 games last year and earning another trip to the Eastern Conference Finals.
For the record thats 170 of a possible 246 games…. Sometimes Tea is expensive in China…
Keep in mind Rashard was the top free agent in 2007.
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by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter how you sugar coat it
a mistake is a mistake. Perhaps it was seattle’s fault that Rashard got such a contract? I think that’s what you’re insinuating. Well, it would be Seattle’s fault if Seattle was the city which gave him the contract. Unfortunately it was Otis Smith and Orlando which gave Rashard the absurd contract. Any way you slice it, it was a mistake of the highest order. He is worth no where near this money and he is even playing the best he possibly can over the term of the contract (despite this year’s dip). Regarding your second point about tea, well, it would be correct if Rashard was the only reason that the magic won anything. We of course know tha tthis is no where near correct.
Without Lewis the Magic maybe win 50 games, probably less.
He was the best available player at the time and was getting a max contract no matter what. With him the Magic have been and are a contender. Without him Orlando loses in the first round the last three years.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
While I think Rashard won games for us
We can’t say whether the Magic would have been better or worse if we hadn’t signed him. Perhaps the following year we would have signed a different free agent, maybe we would have against all odds missed the playoffs and won the lottery. Who knows. But while I like Rashard, I wish he wasn’t signed for the albatross contract.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
I'm not discounting results.
You’re discounting the results of what happens when Anthony shoots the ball. Very often, those results are a missed shot.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
Carmelo Anthony is not one of the top 10 players in the NBA.
Kobe Bryant is not one of the top 2 players in the NBA.
Feel free to laugh at me.
I have scads of data at my site to prove my point.
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by erivera7 on Aug 19, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree that you can not base a player's worth solely on advanced metrics
However, advanced metrics can and should be used to support points being made. Just anyone who looks at these metrics and not at actual game play of individuals/teams is trying to sell fool’s gold.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
We should trade
If Magic can trade Vince and Rashard to Denver for Carmeol and K-Mart (1yr left on his deal)… Then we start Howard
Bass
Melo
Redick
Nelson
I know im dreaming though because nobody will take Rashards god awful contract DAMNIT
No way would I want to look at Kenyon Martin's stupid lipstick neck tattoo for 82 games & playoffs
Not even obtaining Carmelo is worth that.
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by funny80sguy on Aug 19, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
This won't be an issue
considering KMart misses 60% of every season.
by Zach Zimmerman on Aug 19, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He only has one more year on his deal
And if he does get on the court he can make the outside shot as well as rebound….
by MagicMichael on Aug 19, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually...
…Martin was the one member of the Nuggets’ rotation last year who was an even less efficient shooter than Anthony.
And he’s injured right now. He’s expected to miss much of next season.
Which, considering how awful he is at basketball, might be a blessing in disguise.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
this makes absolutely no sense
Lewis is not a positive, he is a negative due to his contract. No organization would take Lewis for FREE. Check that, no Organization would take Lewis and his contract if you paid them $25 million! So why would they give you one of the best players in the league?
the real problem is
Vince and Rashard are to simular… Rashard just likes to take Jump shots and Vince in his old age settles for waaaay too many jump shots….. Nelson is the only guy that can penetrate effectively and hes just too damn short to carry that load…..
One other thing to think about that just came to me – there was already concern last year about Lewis not getting enough touches, because he’s someone who becomes more efficient as he gets into a rhythm. Barnes had a USG% of 16.2, and Peaches was at 18.0. Anthony had a 33.4 USG%. If we want to get Lewis more involved in the offense, bringing in more high-USG players isn’t the way to do it.
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Thats why Rashard must GO
Thats why if we were able to trade for Carmelo it would be in our best interest to include Lewis in the deal…. What if dever would take Lewis and Vince off our hands for Carmelo and some throw in’s
by MagicMichael on Aug 19, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No, lets trade Carter and Lewis for James and Bosh.
a much better deal!
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh. Wade's kind of an inefficient shooter.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
He's just short-ranged
If he’d stop chucking up long 2s and 3s and play as a pure slasher, he’d be much more efficient. He’s above league average at the rim and at <10 feet, but well below average from anywhere further out. I actually think he’d still be better as a PG than a SG, if he can defend the spot. His assist to turnover ratio’s a bit low for a 1-guard, but that’s because of his turnover rate, not because he can’t pass.
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Wade is an efficient player offensively, nevertheless.
Above-average TS%, eFG%, and Offensive Rating.
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Oh, that was a joke.
(Still — less efficient than LeBron or Durant.)
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
Eddy at MagicBasketball.net has his write up on Carmelo. Interesting read, as usual.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions
Does 'Melo really fit the image that the Magic prefer to portray?
Carmelo hails from the tough streets of Baltimore, home of the hit HBO series The Wire. For those unfamiliar with the show, it depicted “BodyMore” in all of it’s infamous glory.
Anthony allowed himself to be included in a video with some very unsavory characters who would have been perfectly at home on the show.
According to a police account, included in the video was a reputed drug dealer, several stick-up kids, and Anthony himself, seeming right at home amongst the guns and drugs.
Anthony did come out and apologize, but what type of player allows themselves to be depicted on a widely-distributed videotape with those type of people?
As the saying goes, you can take the kid out of the hood, but you can never take the hood out of the kid.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions
Quite fair to bring that up.
For charitable contributions totaling $4,282,000, Anthony was listed as number eight in “The Giving Back 30 List of Largest Charitable Donations by Celebrities in 2006” $3 miilion went towards a basketball practise facility at Syracuse.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Dwight Howard for Melo..........
Why nobody mention Dwight Howard in any trade? Do you think that Denver will let Melo go for nothing? Stop proposing senseless trades and start thinking realistic.
The Nuggets appear to be stuck with the reality that either they trade Melo or the get LeBronned.
They will not get the prime cuts of meat since it will be a fire sell.
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I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Anthony is an All-Star caliber player, but I'm not enamored with his talent.
Especially on defense, where he has his moments but is no more than competent at this stage of his career.
http://www.magicbasketball.net/2010/08/19/additional-commentary-on-carmelo-anthony/#more-3563
The data I compile, alone, shows that Anthony isn’t as great of a player as he’s perceived to be. And you can’t accuse me of cherry-picking numbers because I use SIX linear metrics to measure Anthony’s value. Six. Aside from statistical plus/minus, he doesn’t fare well compared to his peers. Again, Anthony is an All-Star caliber player but just because he averages 28.2 points per game doesn’t automatically make him great. Not when his TS% and eFG% are at or below the league average. Especially when he’s nowhere as good defensively as James, Wade, and whoever else you want to compare him to. That being said, he’d be a good fit with the Magic but he wouldn’t be a knockout fit like Chris Paul would be. Anthony would have to alter his game a bit.
Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus is a smart guy, works for an NBA team, and he didn’t even list Anthony on his All-NBA teams when he posted his awards ballot a few months ago. That should say something.
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Well, the argument shouldn't be whether he is great
It should be if he would be a good addition to the Magic. In my mind, the Magic are lacking a scorer who can command double teams and really give Jameer a break from having to do all the penetrating and thus causing the defense to breakdown. I think Melo is a good player, and I think he would fit what the Magic are missing. That is all I think, I have no doubt you are correct in your analysis, just to be fair, try playing devil’s advocate and act like you need to prove that Carmelo would be a great addition to the Magic, then point out why he wouldn’t then summarize with your opinion. I am not a professional writer (obviously) so I can not invest that much energy, but I hope you or Ben might give us a write-up as such.
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One thing to remember is that Melo’s shooting possessions have to come from somewhere. He averaged 21.8 shots and 8.9 FTAs per game last season, and scored 28.2 points. Lewis and Nelson combined took 21.9 shots and 4.3 FTAs per game, scoring 26.5 points. Multiplying FTAs by .44 to count their possessions, based on the TS% formula, Anthony had 25.7 shooting possessions per game, while Nelson/Lewis had 23.8. Anthony’s extra 1.9 possessions resulted in an extra 1.7 points. That’s…not good.
But wait! people will say – he’s a Small Forward, taking up the minutes that Barnes played. Unfortunately, that doesn’t really help. Barnes and Pietrus combined played over 48 minutes per game, and combined to take up 15.6 shooting posseessions per game. They used 1 possession per 3.23 minutes. Anthony used more than twice as many possessions – 1 per 1.49 minutes. During the 38.2 minutes that Anthony averaged last year, the Barnes/Pietrus duo would use about 11.8 possessions as compared to Anthony’s 25.7, so Anthony would need to take away 13.9 possessions from other players to shoot at the rate he’s used to.
If we had problems on offense (which we really didn’t – the Magic were #4 in offensive rating) and didn’t have efficient scorers, I’d be more than willing to take on Anthony, because he does create problems for defenses. Unfortunately, we already have efficient scorers that need to shoot to be effective (Lewis, Nelson, Redick, among others), and not enough touches to go around. Adding the shooter with the second highest number of shots per game last year would not seem to fit the needs of the Magic at this time.
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by The Dark on Aug 24, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like the breakdown
and I agree with your points, except for the missing element that I believe the Magic are lacking that Melo or someone should fill to put us over the hump, and that is a scorer that can create his own shot. When it gets to playoff basketball, and the opposing defense stays at home and can play Dwight one on one, then Nelson was our only guy that could make offense happen. And while I would scream for him to stay in attack mode, it was apparent he just could not do it for the length needed, and when he didn’t, the offense stagnated. Melo or a like player would give us another option in that regard and that is what I think we need. Again I don’t think Melo would need to take that many shots on a Magic team, and with Dwight pulling defenses in, Melo would certainly get cleaner looks, that has to factor in as well. So I assume he would get less shots and those shots would be more efficient, while providing us someone that can create offense without needing it spoon fed to him. So I guess I have a lot of assumptions to try to backup my vantage, which I admit is not good supporting evidence, but I have to think Melo’s efficiency would improve with Magic brand basketball and the man in the middle dominating. If not Melo, then I hope we can attain someone who can fill this role to let Jameer save some gas for the fourth quarter.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
Well I thought so last year
But I did not see it in the late playoff rounds. Hopefully VC comes through this year (as more than likely our team is set until the deadline anyhow).
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
Another stat head talks about Melo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-berri/is-melo-max_b_676473.html
this guy obviously never watched a game.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 20, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
Even the Wall Street Journal expresses an opinion!
http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2010/08/17/there-can-be-life-after-carmelo/
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 20, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
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