Berger: Carmelo Anthony Seeks a Trade; Orlando Magic Reportedly "at the Top of" His List
by Evan Dunlap on Aug 17, 2010 5:12 PM EDT
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PrintDenver Nuggets small forward Carmelo Anthony is but the latest NBA megastar to reportedly wish for a trade to the Orlando Magic. Ken Berger reports, via this email to his CBS colleague Matt Moore, that "the Magic are believed to be at the top of [Anthony]'s list."
If this line sounds familiar, it should, given the multitude of reports earlier this summer about New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul wanting to force a trade to Orlando. Berger reported parts of that narrative as well.
The difference in the two situations, as Josh Robbins points out, is that Anthony has leverage, while Paul does not. Anthony will be a free agent next summer and the Nuggets risk losing him for nothing if they do not deal him before February. Further, the Nuggets are believed to be exploring trade possibilities for Anthony.
Robbins also reports that Magic president Otis Smith said he has not engaged the Nuggets, who do not have a GM at the moment, in trade discussions for Anthony. For what it's worth, the folks behind HoopsHype's Twitter account don't trust him.
Moore believes that the Miami Heat's power play this summer, which brought All-Stars LeBron James and Chris Bosh to join Dwyane Wade, inspired Anthony to seek a trade. Here's how:
If Anthony were to be traded to a new team, that team could then extend him under the current CBA. And that feeds into the last connection between Anthony and the Miami Triad. The allure of getting everything you want, how you want it. With a trade, Anthony can find himself in a new location in title contention, and get the extension he wants. It's the best of all worlds.
Anthony, 26, is a seven-year veteran with career averages of 24.7 points and 6.2 boards. The points average, incidentally, is fifth among active players.
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Yes please
Though I think the rumor at rumor central is a bit optimistic.
They have us trading Pietrus, Bass, and Gortat for him. While I’d love that, I just don’t think Denver would ever take those deals. If they lost Anthony they wouldn’t want to replace him with okay players with long contracts. They’d either want okay players with short contracts or great players.
I think they’d actually prefer the VC / Melo trade, and I don’t think the Magic could say no to that.
A Melo/VC trade would make sense for DEN
ONLY if they are interested in dumping salary and re-structuring. Of course, Magic will jump on that option.
But if that's what they're looking for
Wouldn’t they have a better option than someone they need to pay $4M in cash to make the next year’s salary go away?
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Thank you for mentioning that. I agree that I did not take that variable into account.
But that account is moot anyways becuase I don’t believe that DEN is out for salary dump or re-structuring, unless if something is out there which is not in the open yet.
You don't think they would be if they lost Carmelo Anthony?
Billups is getting up there, they’ve got young talent. K-Mart goes off the books soon.
Seems like that’d be the best time to rebuild.
Your premise is based on assuming
that they would be stupid enough to lose Melo without getting something in return. But then, they could be!
then give them nelson, lewis, and anderson
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
that is way too much to give up for carmelo
we would have bass as our entire PF rotation, which is scary.
Yeah, I think they'd want something in return, perhaps...
Reddick, Pietrus, Shane Battier (expiring), Magic 1st rnd pick, cash > Denver
Anthony, Jared Jeffries & either Courtney Lee or Chase Budinger > Magic
Lewis, Rudy Fernandez > Houston
Player exception & Houston 2nd rnd pick > Portland
Well, it's not my premise
It’s ESPNs, I was just commenting on it. I didn’t come up with the idea of Pietrus/Bass/Gortat for Melo or VC for Melo straight up.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying
VC is definitely not the answer in Denver (or anywhere). He’d be a rebuilding option which I think they’d prefer over 3 medium length/longterm deals in Pietrus/Bass/Gortat.
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No, please. He’s not worth raping our roster to acquire.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Aug 17, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I just don't see us being able to make a deal Denver would accept
CBA be damned, they can just wait to do a sign and trade this offseason if the centerpiece of their return will be Marcin Gortat.
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BUT
He only took 187 threes last year. And…….EGADS, he takes mid range jumpers! Blasphemy I tell you, we cannot have that on the Magic. Competely unacceptable!
Players who go iso a lot end up taking mid-range jumpers.
The difference is Carmelo can do anything on the offensive side of the ball. In an offense when he’s not the end-all, be-all, he can afford to be more efficient instead of taking every shot that presents itself to him.
No need to try to act like all of a sudden mid-range jumpers are more valuable just because a player of Anthony’s caliber takes them when they’re presented to him.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Anthony=Carter
cannot function without being the center of the offense.
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by NC Magic Fan on Aug 18, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Big difference is Anthony is 6-7 years younger and entering the prime of his career. Oh, and did anyone mention he averaged 28 points a game last year. Que the mathematicians.
With the number of shots he took and the number of possessions he used, that's not impressive.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
Not really.
I don’t get how this is so difficult for you to understand. When the ball left Carmelo Anthony’s hands, he scored less points on average than most people. Factoring in free throws, he ends up just about average, but mostly, Carmelo was a chucker. The fact that the rest of the Nuggets were good enough to make up for Carmelo’s chucking doesn’t make any difference.
I mean, look at the 76ers with Iverson. It’s not a fair comparison, because Iverson was actually good at some things, but those teams didn’t win because of Iverson’s 42% shooting. They won because they allowed their opponents worse than 42% shooting.
Now, look at Carmelo. He scored 28.2 points a game last year. But he averaged 21.8 shots a game. Factoring out and-1s and technical FTs, he appears to have used 3.9 possessions a game on free throws. And he had 3.1 turnovers. That adds up to 28.8 possessions that ended with Carmelo. The dude averaged less than a point per possession. This is, by basketball standards, utter crap.
Yes, you’re right. It’s a lot of crap. To me, though, that just makes it worse.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
Lets play mathketball!
I like stats, I even like advanced stats. But theres this little twinge I get every time someone ignores the obvious and focuses only on the advanced stats. So I wanted to look at some hall of famers, champions, guys that I know are great players we can look back on with 20/20 vision and not judge based on numbers alone. The first guy I looked at was Michael Jordan of course and the advanced stats held up well with what we know. Career TS% 56, eFG% 50, PER 28. Maybe not as good as I would have thought but that’s still damn good. Second was Magic, very efficient, numbers still holding up. Larry Legend, not as efficient as I would have thought but still very good. I started thinking hey, stat guy is right. These numbers due really indicate almost exactly how good a player is. That is until I got to Isiah, you know, two time champion, hall of famer, Isiah. Looking at his advanced stats I wonder why the guy is in the hall of fame. TS% 51, eFG% 46, PER 18. That’s worse than Carmelos 54, 47, 20. Then I looked at his team mate and fellow hall of famer Joe Dumars. Holy crap, the advanced stats would indicate that guy sucked or at the very least was an average player. Same with Scottie Pippen, same with Dennis Johnson, same with Rick Barry, same with a lot of past championship winning, hall of fame inductees. How about current players? Rip Hamilton, just plain awful right? That guy has never had a good, advanced statistical, efficient season. But he does have a championship. He may even go into the hall of fame. Long story short (too late), while the advanced stats are useful and often indicative of how good a player is, they don’t tell the whole story. If someone wants to tell me JJ Redick is a better player than Carmelo (no one has said it yet, but Im waiting), fine, I will listen, take your opinion and your statistical analysis into consideration and strongly disagree. There are many things to consider when assessing a players value that go way beyond the numbers. Little things like: did the system utilize his abilities? Who was he playing alongside? What was his role? What was the teams success etc. When you say "I don’t get how this is so difficult for you to understand", please take into consideration others viewpoints. Ive been watching and playing basketball for 33 of my 39 years. I was a varsity starter for all four years of high school, a starting 3 on a conference champion in college and continue to play about 20 hours a week. Not saying I know better, but I do have a somewhat unique view of the game not afforded to many. A view from the TV, the seats and the court. End of line.
Rip Hamilton isn't a good player anymore; at his peak, he was a borderline All-Star. The fact that he's won a championship means nothing.
by Evan Dunlap on Aug 18, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than it means almost everything
He was the number one offensive option on a championship team. A dynasty, 6 ECF appearances, including back to back trips to the finals. I know they were based on smothering, brutal, criminally tough defense. That doesn’t change the fact he scored the most points in a game based on scoring a lot of points. Usg% around 25, TS%52, eFG%45 in their championship year. Thats terrible or at least not good by the numbers, awesome by the results. He worked with that team, at that time, with those players, in that system. You can apply at least part of that phrase to most “great” players. Given all of that, I will cede the point that Rip sucks and turn to Kobe. Last years Usg% 32, TS%54, eFG%48. In fact, Kobes career numbers are about the same as last years. Does Kobe suck?
There were a dozen SGs in the league who could have done what Hamilton did for that team.
And yeah, the Lakers as a unit have been getting by on team defense + the efficiency of other players’s shots (most notably Gasol) for a year or two now, as Kobe’s accuracy has dipped.
Of course, Kobe contributes to his team in a lot of ways… he’s not a below-average defender with as many turnovers as assists.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
You're the one ignoring the obvious.
To me, “the obvious” is what actually happens when the ball leaves the guy’s hands. I don’t think eFG% is arcane — it just says “hey, when this guy took a shot, how many points did it get his team?” And in this case, the answer came back, “eh… not so many, really.”
By modern standards, at least. Scoring has become a lot more efficient league-wide since the advent of the three-point shot as a widespread thing, as opposed to the province of a few specialists. That’s what you have to factor in… you can’t really compare stats across eras. By the standards of the modern era, Carmelo’s stats are, well, pretty crappy. If he was posting them in 1985, when the three-point shot wasn’t part of a lot of people’s arsenals… eh. That’s different.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
The only thing thats obvious at this point is you have a personal bias against Carmelo
Which is cool, just say it. Kobes the best player on the best team and their almost identical in most advanced statistical analysis. Big difference is Kobe has Phil Jackson for a coach and a much better team around him. Kobe didnt win any titles without Shaq or Pau. Carmelo hasnt been put alongside an elite big man, or an elite player of any kind really. And George Karl isnt a pimple on Phil Jacksons backside. If you are going to say Carmelo is crappy by statistical analysis, you have to say the same about Kobe.
I'm saying that Carmelo's shooting doesn't help his team.
I’m also saying Kobe’s shooting doesn’t help his team. Neither one is so lousy that his shooting hurts his team (usually). They are very similar players considered strictly as scorers, and both are markedly inferior to James, Durant, et al. as scorers.
I’m saying Kobe’s passing and defense help his team. I’m saying Carmelo’s passing and defense do not help his team.
And I already specifically said that a lot of the Lakers’ success is due to their frontcourt, and to their team defense.
I’ll say one more thing: the Magic’s success has been based partially on their elite defense, but also partially on their versatility as a scoring team. Historically, you never know where the Magic are going to come from on offense — they’re not predictable. Adding a player like Anthony would make them a lot more predictable…
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
On that last point I will certainly disagree
True, you dont know which player might blow up on you. There system is very predictable though. If its not at the basket is from behind the arc. Good, efficient and very predictable. Now, having the personnel to shut that down is a different story. Boston and LA have had the people, but the other 27 teams havent.
I agree Anthony isnt quite the scorer Lebron, Wade, Durant or Kobe is, but those guys are not attainable.
What are you talking about?
I don’t mean “unpredictable” in that the team takes efficient shots. every good team does that. I mean “unpredictable” in that everyone on the court can and will shoot, so you can’t double off anyone at any time.
Once you have a guy who’s going to see that he’s securely defended but take the shot anyway, you lose that. We lost that last winter with Carter, and we didn’t get it back until Carter settled down and started passing to the open man.
And if there’s one thing you have to concede about Carmelo, it’s that he’s going to try to score when he’s not open. He’s going to try it a lot. And he’s going to try it when the clock isn’t even running down or anything.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
The question is...
How much of that is a result of his current situation with the offense and personnel around him? You think he’d still be that way under Stan?
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Yes
which is why I think the Magic would not give up too much to get him.
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by NC Magic Fan on Aug 19, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The funny thing is, you're right.
The Magic’s average efficiency as a team last year was higher than Anthony’s efficiency.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Carmelo sucks in general.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
I would not go that far.
Carmelo could be the ultimate example of Braess’s Paradox and The Ewing Theory. Put him in a situation where he has to take fewer shots and the defense pays him less attention (because of D12) and his efficiency could increase.
Or maybe he is just a chucker.
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by NC Magic Fan on Aug 18, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the thing.
I’d almost believe he was forced to take those shots by the Nuggets’ offense if:
- the Nuggets didn’t have many more efficient scorers. (Of the 7 other players who played at least 1000 minutes for the Nuggets last season, 6 had higher eFG%s than Anthony.)
- the Nuggets were a bad team, or a team with a bad point guard. Clearly, neither of these is true.
- Anthony passed the ball frequently. If he had the ball in his hands all the time, he might be stuck with some bad shots. But given his assist totals, I think it’s apparent that the ball mostly went from his hands toward the basket.
- perhaps most damningly, if the Nuggets played a slower offensive game. I feel like a guy who chucks low-percentage shots that early in the shot clock is chucking either because he doesn’t realize he’s so inefficient from the field… or because he doesn’t care, he just likes to chuck.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
Its not like VC did anything either in playmaking. His assist totals are low too. Melo would outdo VC’s role like 8x over and thats the main thing here.
Carter's still superior to Anthony as a playmaker.
And I hope he’ll be even better this year, now that he seems to understand the Magic’s system a little more..
But remember — I’m not a big fan of Carter being on the Magic either. I think Carter’s insistence on being the focus of the offense, especially in the first half of the season, seriously disrupted Lewis and Nelson’s games, and made them less effective.
So you’re giving me a version of Carter who’s going to want even more shots, can’t play the role that the Magic’s offense wants wing players to play, and does less as a ball-handler? That sounds great!
No, wait, that sounds awful.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
We need someone to pull out the stats on this one. I think Carmelo is a better playmaker than VC taking into account last season only. And brush through all the lofty ideas for VC (why can’t we have the same ideas if Melo came?) to simply remember, when VC had the ball last year, I hardly remembered thinking, “Oh, VC just made a good play for the team” Or “what a nice pass from VC” He was a go to guy, and Melo kills VC in that department. Even Hedo was a go to 4th quarter guy, but alot of it was just getting to the FT line and hitting some shots in the 4th. Melo also kills Hedo in that, while being a strong rebounder and benefiting from anything he can by playing for Orlando (who knows, maybe his D improves abit actually? Hes a strong, big dude. If not, maybe he gets/takes better shots now? If not, maybe he meshes great with the team on the floor and ups his assists/playmaking? I think there;s a chance for something to be better in Orlando than in Denver because of Dwight and a better team scheme. Ofc, I think/hope VC will also improve this year, but he’s too old now and Melo is pretty much perfect in today’s realistic/somewhat-realistic market.)
Honestly, I don't think Vince was used to the best of his ability by the coaches and in the team dynamic
I know the guy for so long, he’s much much better than that. Much better passer as well. He did himself a disservice being out of “it” mentally the most part of the season, but I don’t think, by any means, that the Orlando coaching staff used him like they should’ve.
In order for Vince to be great you need to DEMAND that from him. If you let him “be”, then he’s too lazy and at the same time wants to deffer to other players and be a “good teammate”. I know the guy so well to be wrong in here. It seems to me like the communication here in Orlando is poorer (between Vince and Stan) than between Vince and Lawrence Frank in New Jersey was.
So I think Vince is a unique talent that properly utilized can make the Magic team unstoppable. The other thing is the Magic won’t get a player Vince’s value if they trade him. They will get a mediocre player because his value has dropped.
The only thing a "go to 4th quarter guy" kills...
…is the team dumb enough to use just one guy in the 4th quarter. One of the Magic’s greatest strengths has been that they don’t turn all inefficient and predictable down the stretch. They keep going with what works.
When they’ve tried to force that, like with Carter early last year, the results have been ugly.
And yes, if the Magic can get Anthony for Carter straight up, I approve of that deal. It’s probably worth the risk. I’m not crazy about the idea of Anthony, mostly because he’d demand the ball too much, and the Magic’s offense’s greatest strength is its fluidity. If you have Anthony, Anthony is going to use 25-30 possessions a game, no question, and that makes the Magic vulnerable.
Of course, the Magic aren’t going to get Anthony for Carter straight up, because at this point, Carter is mostly a (semi-)expiring contract, and so’s Anthony. The Magic would need to throw something else in. And if that something is Bass, or draft picks, or even Pietrus, I could probably live. But if this costs us Anderson, Jameer, or Gortat, no.
(I could probably even live with Gortat, if the deal also included a backup center who could play solid defense.But we can’t go 15 minutes a game with no post defender.)
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
I like Melo as purely a scorer.
It could definitely work with Jameer continuing to run the offense. But he isn’t a perfect fit the way that Chris Paul would be. I certainly wouldn’t destroy the Magic’s roster just to acquire Melo.
On a side note, I love the fact that we’re on the top of everybody’s lists. That bodes well for the future. It shows that Orlando is one of the premier destinations in the NBA right now and for the foreseeable future.
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by BleedingBlueSince89 on Aug 17, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions
If he goes to the knicks.......the chances of CP3 going there in the future go up to about 99.9%
I’d rather those two join focres w/ Howard
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by AB's triple double on Aug 17, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions
there is literally zero chance that all 3 of them wind up in NY
unless one of them is playing for the MLE
they can get at most one more decent sized salary player, and only after eddy curry’s contract expires (or is used in a trade)
what were the chances of Wade, Bosh, and James being on the same team last year?
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by AB's triple double on Aug 18, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
that was actually a possibility under the salary cap
new york is going to have too many cap holds and players already under contract to get both of them
before miami signed the guys this summer, they had a grand total of 1 player on the roster
i said "last year" not this summer.
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by AB's triple double on Aug 18, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
they knew it was a possibility, if however unlikely
there is no room for the knicks under any circumstance to have those three players on their roster, unless they get one of them to play for the MLE
so the knicks will never be able to clear up salary space this season or next in order to get CP3 eh?
My original post said “Future” not necessarily this upcoming season
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by AB's triple double on Aug 20, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
They could sign CP3 or they could sign Carmelo.
But CP3 is not a free agent next year. They don’t have much to offer in trades for either, let alone both. It may be possible but at best is highly unlikely. They are committed to $29,260,605 for Stats, Felton, Mozgov and Walker plus Turiaf has a player option for $4,300,000. That get them to $33.6 million. The cap is $58 and unlikely to go up, so they would have $24.6. Carmelo is sitting on 3 years a $60 mil plus and CP3 is scheduled to make $16.3. Stats is at $18.2 so if they found a way to get rid of everyone else, after mandatory holds they woulc have about $36 to sign both. That would mean letting Gallinari go even though his team option is just over $4 mil.
Having stripped and lost once, do you risk it again?
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"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 20, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
True, which likely would make it even harder to create a super team.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"This dude is huge....I've got to go home and eat like five chickens and put a lot of weight on. It's going to take a couple months, but seriously." - Marcin Gortat about Shaq.
by NC Magic Fan on Aug 20, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This is awesome news. I love how now Melo (with CP3) have Magic as the/a top destination. The problem is how hard it is to do the trade, what Denver is going to do (CP3 all over again! lmao).
I would throw anything into a trade for Melo EXCEPT Dwight (duh) and Jameer. Like I said in a fanpost here, if Billups came, then I’d probably be ok with losing Nelson even tho Nelson is better, Billups is still solid and a good playoffs performer too.
Getting Melo would be having the first real wing star/go-to-scorer (in his prime) here since Tmac, but the first time ever when the franchise was in title contention. A true wing/big superstar duo, with either Jameer or Billups in the PG spot and Rashard at 4 bombing from the 3-point line… This is as good as it gets when acquiring just one player for the team…
This is kind of a surprise to me
I always thought that if Anthony was going anywhere, it would be to the Knicks.
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by Mike from Illinois on Aug 17, 2010 6:57 PM EDT reply actions
I don't know if the NYK have the trade pieces that Denver would be looking to rebuild (Gallinari, Azubuike, Randolph maybe?)
I think Melo would be like a Hedo v2.0 on Orlando. I just believe that an elite player like Carmelo would create real tough match-ups for teams in the East.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Aug 17, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Hedo how?
Hedo was a passer who wasn’t a big scorer and mostly shot threes. Anthony is a scorer who very rarely passes (considering how much he has the ball) and doesn’t shoot a lot of threes.
They’re both subpar on defense. I guess that’s a similarity.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Like Hedo in the sense
that Melo can create in PnR situations. I don’t believe Carmelo’s passing deficiencies would be as big a problem in Orlando as it seemed in Denver. They played a more uptempo style offense and with the 4-1 that Orlando runs it will force him to find the open shooter or hit Dwight on the PnR.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Aug 18, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if this is a lack of physical ability, though.
Seems to me it could be a mental shortcoming.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
We should have paid Hedo
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by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Aug 18, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Hedo looked amazing after he signed that fat contract didn
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I'm not going to even get my hopes up with this.
Denver is going to want talent back in return. We can provide a salary dump (using VC’s semi-expiring deal), but they can dump salary when he leaves after next summer. Otherwise we’d be gutting our roster to get Melo, which I am not in favor of.
Maybe there’s a slim chance for a sign and trade in the offseason, but I gotta think that there are a few teams out there that can give them young talent back.
Personally,
I’d rather have an uber-talented starting 5 and one or two decent bench players than a team 10 or 11 deep. Depth doesn’t matter near as much in the playoffs. I felt we were too deep in last year’s ’offs anyway. Gimme Melo or gimme death!!
54% true shooting.
54% true shooting.
54% true shooting.
54% true shooting.
(etc.)
How can you support a one-dimensional player when he’s barely better than league average at his dimension?
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
You have to account how not many other players can stay efficient if they are going to put up 30 a night and take the go-to, closer, pressure situations shots.
Well, sure.
Except that Durant is that efficient. LeBron is that efficient. Paul Pierce doesn’t score 25+, but he is that efficient.
They’re also all better defenders than Anthony, and two of them are much better passers. (Durant has time to learn.)
I mean, it’s impressive that Carmelo can shoot 22 shots a game at league-average efficiency. Most people can’t shoot nearly that many average shots.
You know what would be more impressive? 18 shots a game above league average efficiency.
You know what would go well with that? The realization that, of the Nuggets’ top 8 rotation players, Anthony’s EFG% was 7th… and maybe the resolve to post an assist-turnover ratio securely above 1 as a result.
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So you make some very good points and are convincing me alil, but it still remains, you named Durant, LBJ over Melo. So 3rd best SF…. Id still be ecstatic at getting this. Pierce is very old and he averages 20, not 30 territory, thats a difference.
Not necessarily third best. Durant and James are just the two that play more minutes and shoot more efficiently and score more points. Here’s the thing – Anthony plays a ton of minutes, which inflates his scoring numbers. If you look at guys that score at about the same rate (points/minute), you’d also add Danny Granger and Corey Maggette as more efficient players. I’d consider fifth to still be elite, but a step down from “OMG he’s awesome” level (not saying that’s what you said, just what some people I know think).
However, if you’re not looking for a volume scorer, and look just at efficiency, you’d also add Jared Dudley, Andrei Kirilenko, Gerald Wallace, Matt Barnes, Dorell Wright, Grant Hill, Devean George, Jamario Moon, Mickael Pietrus, Richard Jefferson, and Stephen Graham as more efficient (though lower volume) scorers. Among SFs that played 40+ games, Anthony was 18th in shooting efficiency. Still good, but not elite.
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But not everyone you mentioned can create his own shot. would be nice to see how many of their points were assisted..
by Robin from Germany on Aug 18, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s why I was looking at PPM. Doesn’t adjust for pace, but it compensates for the ton of minutes. Durant, James, and Anthony were all at about 27 points per 36 minutes, while Granger and Maggette were both around 24. You’re right, though, that it should be pace-adjusted. So, taking the top 18 for pure efficiency among SFs who played at least 40 games, using per-36 numbers, adjusted to a 100 possession pace, here’s the top guys for TS% and their pace-adjusted scoring rate per 36 minutes:
Corey Maggette: 61.5%, 23.9
Paul Pierce: 61.3%, 21.2
Jared Dudley: 61.2%, 12.7
Kevin Durant: 60.6%, 29.5
LeBron James: 60.4%, 30.0
Andrei Kirilenko: 58.8%, 15.7
Gerald Wallace: 58.6%, 17.6
Matt Barnes: 57.6%, 13.3
Dorell Wright: 56.8%, 13.7
Danny Granger: 56.4%, 24.3
Grant Hill: 56.1%, 14.2
Devean George: 56.0%, 11.5
Jamario Moon: 55.5%, 11.2
Mickael Pietrus: 55.5%, 15.1
Richard Jefferson: 55.1%, 15.4
Stephen Graham: 55.1%, 14.6
Carmelo Anthony: 54.9%, 28.0
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by The Dark on Aug 18, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very cool list.
Id cross anyone off that doesnt reach 20+ in per36 scoring right off the bat because none strike me as that efficient once they handle increasing their scoring to per-36 20+.
So…..
Durant- 29
LBJ- 30
Danny Granger – only 24 per-36
Paul Pierce- only 21 per-36
Corey Maggette- only 24 per-36
Gerald Wallace- only 17 per-36
Carmelo Anthony – 28
For 2/3+ years, Pierce is a Celtic, LBJ a Heat, Durant a Thunder. That leaves Granger, Maggette, Wallace and Melo. Who do you pick? Because I see it as 1.Melo 2.Granger -——— 3.Wallace4. Maggette
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by Hassanali181 on Aug 17, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
If I'm Denver, I'd want to package both Anthony and Nene.
Also, Denver would want prospects and picks in return, not long term deals.
However, Orlando can’t swing such a deal without finding a taker for Gortat. Well, Houston just got created a trade exception* that seems juuuust big enough to absorb Gortat, whom they coveted in free agency.
I think we could see:
Nene and Melo to ORL
Gortat to HOU
Carter, Anderson, Orton, Jordan Hill?(from rockets)
anybody know precisely how large this exception is? espn’s trade machine say’s it’s $6.3M, but it will need to be slightly larger than that to absorb Gortat.
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nevermind
seems the trade exception is $100 less than Gortat’s salary.
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my mistake
the salaries of gortat and ariza match. both have a salary of $6,322, 320
i figure houston used one of their pre-existing TPE’s to absorb Courtney Lee’s salary. So, they should have a TPE to exactly match Gortat’s salary.
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...if it happens, it happens...
…if it happens, and CP3 somehow joins the fun too, I’ll need a new pair of pants.
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by magic12ball on Aug 17, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
My thoughts exactly
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by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Aug 18, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
This
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by Reediculous on Aug 18, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, I will make 1 post
this trade is 100X more likely to happen than Paul because of Melo’s leverage. He pretty much has to be traded to the team he wants to go to because he can just say, if you trade me to team X, I won’t re-sign there and then you traded a lot of your good players for a 7 month rental. Orlando could send Denver some type of package that includes VC, Gortat or Bass or Anderson combo and Orton as well as 3 mil. and draft picks for Melo and filler. He won’t be dealt to anybody he doesn’t want to unless they’re willing to lose him for nothing at the end of the year. S&T is unlikely b/c Melo will NOT sign the extension unless he goes to a team of his choice, and same goes for a S&T at the end of the year, as he would rather walk than do a S&T and get dealt to a team he doesn’t want to go to. He essentially has a no-trade clause b/c of this ability to decline an extension, so he will pick his team.
This would benefit the Magic greatly as well because now they most likely won’t have to offer nearly as much because of the leverage Melo has.
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who's to say he will sign an extension here?
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by magic12ball on Aug 17, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He reportedly wants to be traded here. So he'd sign an extension.
by Evan Dunlap on Aug 17, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, I can't argue.
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by magic12ball on Aug 17, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, I dont get it, why is orlando on top of everyones list? I mean no offense to you guys, but I find that a bit odd
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by magic12ball on Aug 17, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
do you even go here?
I'm a girl.
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by TheGiantSquid on Aug 17, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
probably..lol
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by magic12ball on Aug 17, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno how they manage to resist the temptation of your awesome fans. Whatever team it is you root for; I can't be bothered to check.
Seriously, what good did you think would come of a drive-by comment such as this one?
by Evan Dunlap on Aug 17, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just curious, I honestly didnt mean anything bad by it. (I'm a Suns fan)
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It'd be really interesting to see melo go to orlando and they'd be a joy to watch, especially since I root for the magic during the playoffs.
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HAHAHA
I love Ben’s response. Almost as much as Squids. Angelica Pickles. Oh what memories.
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and by angelica pickles, I meant I also liked Magic12Ball's
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thx, and 5 points if you can tell me what she was talking about in that episode =D
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by magic12ball on Aug 18, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
oh man, this is gonna be tough....
Without googling it, it took me 4 mins to make this (somewhat) educated guess…mainly because it is from when I was like 7 or 8, and it was the last line of the show, which is weird that I remember that. But I will guess….where babies come from?
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good try, but..
Tommy Pickles: “Angelica, what’s a slumber party?”
Angelica Pickles: “..if you have to ask, you’ll never know…”
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by magic12ball on Aug 18, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
D**NIT!!
So sad but I really should’ve known that one.
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its all good, props to you for even noticing that quote
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by magic12ball on Aug 18, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
why is NY on top of everyone's list? lol
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by magic12ball on Aug 17, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Phoenix even on anyone's list?!
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by GameManager on Aug 17, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
For one, there's no income tax here
Compared to playing for Los Suns, that means a player earns about 3% more, since Arizona has a 5.04% income tax on all income over $150k (players pay local taxes for away games, so it gets really funky really fast figuring the exact savings).
Orlando’s also diverse ethnically. Continuing with the comparison to Phoenix, since that’s your team, Phoenix is 42% Latino, 5% black, and 2% Asian. Orlando is 25% Latino, 26% black, 3% Asian, and 2% multiethnic. I realize this isn’t politically correct, but many people subconsciously are more comfortable around people that look like them. This is easier to find with a diverse culture. It’s probably not a major factor, but it will subconsciously influence some players when they’re traveling through the various cities.
Also, it’s a contending team with a solid young star player signed to a long contract.
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lol what another waste of time for magic fans.
Can we not just move on with our team we have now?I don,t get why every one wants a trade. We have one of the best teams in the nba. Our bench is deep.Why mess with the team again?Lets move on and talk about how we can win a championship with the players we have now. Cause melo is not coming here either is paul.
You make a good point, but what if the magic replace melo for carter you get a clutch player that is also relaible in the postseason.
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Problem is, it is actually somewhat potentially (you like that?) likely that Melo DOES come here.
and to be quite honest, as much as I love our team, it would be much better if we trade a couple backups and a guy that won’t be here after the AS break anyway for a top 8 talent in the NBA to pair w/ Dwight for the next 4 or 5 years. So yeah, its definitely worth discussing.
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agreed
lets face it, as good as our team is, in order to be in the Finals again, we’re gonna need a true scorer to pair with Big D12. Melo can score in a variety of ways, and he is clutch, IMO.
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by magic12ball on Aug 18, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Top 8 is a stretch. Top 20 might even be pushing it. Idk.
by Evan Dunlap on Aug 18, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not a huge Melo fan from the times that I've watched him play.
But, he is a Top 8 talent at the very specific thing he does well which is scoring. He has other problems, and I would hate to lose Pietrus’ defense at that position in a potential trade. But if Jameer is still running the team from the PG spot and we’re still working through Dwight then I would say Anthony could flourish at what he does best. He could be used as simply a scoring threat and clutch option.
I’m not up on Melo’s individual or team defense. That worries me somewhat. But he has a higher NBA efficiency rating, PER, and Alternate PER than Kobe Bryant. I can’t hate on that.
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Really? I was just going off the top of my head but I really couldn't find 10 players after I thought about it
that I would rather have ahead of Melo. (excluding all rookies, mainly because I think we need to see them play in actual NBA games right now) and I was not really thinking long term, but more as a “this season” top 10. One thing this team does need is a guy that can take over at the end of games. Management hoped they were getting it in VC, and while he had glimpses of his old self sometimes last year and Rashard and Jameer can do it occasionally too, Melo would be a better “clutch” guy than all of these guys. Until Dwight can prove he can go to the line late in games or dominate down low enough (on offense) to control the end of games, we are still searching for that “clutch” guy. I don’t know what Melo’s numbers are in crunch time, game-tying or go-ahead/winning shots, but from what I can remember, he has knocked down his fair share, that is all I was thinking when I said top 8, which I admit might be stretching it a bit, but I definitely can’t name 20 guys I’d rather have.
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James, Bryant, Durant, Wade, Nash, Howard, Paul, Rondo, Gasol, Boozer, Nowitzki, Bosh…there’s 12, in case you disagree with a couple of them. And there are a couple other marginal ones I’m not throwing in.
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Rondo and Boozer are in no way better than Carmelo Anthony
and Carmelo did more than Bosh did for his teams.
James, Howard, Durant, Wade, Bosh, P. Gasol, Stoudemire, Paul, D. Williams, Bryant.
That’s 10 off the top of my head.
by Evan Dunlap on Aug 18, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Carmelo's better than both Bosh and Stoudemire.
Stoudemire’s never done anything on his own, so we’ll see how he is this year. Bosh has won like, what, 3 playoff games his whole career? He makes T-Mac look like Bill Russell. Dude’s overrated.
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People like to do it with T-Mac, so I don't see why it can't apply both ways.
Bosh’s D is almost as suspect as Melo’s too.
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I would only disagree with Gasol and Amare.
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Dont really see how, although it is pretty much a moot point
mainly because they play different positions and even different roles on their respective teams. I just don’t think Gasol is all that great, honestly. But if I give you Gasol and you give me Amare, Melo would be in the top 10 on that list.
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Bosh has never won a big game in his 7 years in the league.
That is all.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Aug 18, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben has a point here.
T-Mac has never won anything, especially in his prime. And when he was here, he was arguably the best basketball player in the league at the time.
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I get your point Ben but basketball is a game that can be dramatically affected by one player. I think wins and losses can be used to judge basketball players more than football, soccer, or baseball players. When judging a player’s entire career, wins and losses are more important than points, rebounds, and assists.
Bosh’s fate is sealed because he hasn’t been a winner and now he’ll be third fiddle in Miami. Regardless of what Miami does he’ll never be viewed as a top ten talent in this era, and that’s probably the right evaluation.
T-Mac’s career is all but over and we can take wins and losses in to affect when judging him. Was he a great talent? Of course, but he found his way out of pressure moments. He spoke too soon against the Pistons, he alienated his teammates against New Orleans, etc. Flat out, his mind took him out of almost every big moment in his career.
I think it’s more than fair to judge these players on wins and losses.
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by magic fanatic on Aug 19, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
So how would you rank a player who started his career as the only star on his team, and had a 0.522 win percentage with them, making the playoffs 6 times but only winning 2 series across those 6 playoffs, then went to a star-studded team and went 248-80 with an incredibly talented group of teammates?
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The best of the teammates is a player who has played >10 All-Star Games, only not making the team once in his career. Multiple League MVP awards, 68.2% career wins, led the league in points twice.
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im not 100% sure but its probably Kobe
but he doesnt have multiple league mvp awards, just one.
Nope. Oscar Robertson. Stellar player, but without a superstar by his side was barely over .500. The best of the teammates was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
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I’m not gonna play the guessing game, my point is that star players should be judged upon wins in losses in the grand scheme of things. If a player is the best guy on his team for 10 years and never gets out of the first round you have to hold that against him.
Obviously Chris Bosh’s career isn’t over, but he’s probably done as a alpha dog. The fact that he never reached the second round with Toronto will and should be held against him when compared to the greatest players of his era.
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by magic fanatic on Aug 19, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really.
Because there are a lot of levels of “best player on his team”.
On the one hand,. you have a guy like Kobe today, who’s probably the best player on his team but has one of the league’s top 5 big men in Gasol, plus a few really good role-players.
On the other hand, you have LeBron or Wade circa last year, neither of whom had a single above-average starter to work with. (Well, until the Cavs traded for Jamison, who was hampered by not getting in until mid-season.)
Etc.
Basketball trivia time! The Orlando Magic used 12 players during the 2009-10 season. How many of them posted an eFG% lower than Carmelo Anthony?
I don't believe any of this stuff until it happens...
But a Jameer-JJ-Melo-Rashard-Dwight starting five with Q, Anderson, and Duhon coming off the bench wins a title this year. Miami couldn’t beat them in a seven game series. Ron Artest would be the deciding factor, but I’d favor them against the Lakers as well. If Otis can make it happen he’s got to pull the trigger.
I know people around here are fans of TS%, PPM, PER, or whatever the new one is this week. All I know is that my eyes tell me that Melo is a great player, I don’t need numbers to show otherwise. He can put the ball in the basket from anywhere on the floor, including the free throw line at the end of a game. I mean this in all due respect to the stat people here, but sometimes people go a bit overboard with them.
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by magic fanatic on Aug 18, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
you mentioned an interesting point
How many freakin FT’s would this team shoot with Melo and Dwight on the floor together?! My gosh, they both were in the top 5 in the league in attempts I believe last year.
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Since Anthony cannot attend Jameer's week in Philadelphia, I don't want any part of him
It will just alter the carefully structured team dynamic that Jameer has created.
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understandable
But it’s not like everybody makes his camp every year. Dwight’s missed it on multiple occasions
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by magic fanatic on Aug 18, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
That was a good read.
You cannot deny this dude as Elite. Well, stat wise they’ll tryl, but he’s Elite to me.
I don't understand all the hate on Melo.
The dude’s clutch, he can score in any way (honestly, he can do anything on the offensive side of the ball), and he’s a great rebounder for his position (comparable to LeBron the last few years in rebounding rate). His efficiency has taken a hit largely due to the fact that he’s their only reliable scorer. Billups at this time in his career is mostly a 3-point shooter/facilitator. Nene has flashes, but is not consistent. JR Smith is just a chucker. Put Melo along some talent that allows him to choose to be more efficient and we’ll see what happens.
His D is suspect, but isn’t almost everyone’s that has come to the Magic in the last couple years? Dwight cures almost all problems in that regard.
In summary, I love Melo, and I think he would be a great fit here. Not as good as CP3, and I wouldn’t trade the farm for him like I would CP3. But I would give up a lot for a Nelson/Melo/Howard nucleus.
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That's a good point
His efficiency has fallen off a lot in the past couple of years from where it was before. If he could turn that around and get his eFG% back up around .500, he’d be fine.
His defense isn’t that bad, to be honest – about average, considering his team situation, and he’s got the physical tools so it’s more a question of desire than ability.
He’s definitely a big upgrade over Carter. Richardson, Redick and Pietrus would be more than capable of taking care of business at SG if Anthony was getting 35-40 at SF.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 18, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to annoy the stat-haters ;)
Out of SFs that played 40+ games, 20+ minutes per game, Anthony is 13th in total rebound rate:
Gerald Wallace 14.7%
Matt Barnes 12.3%
Luc Mbah a Moute 12.2%
Shawn Marion 11.5%
Terrence Williams 11.4%
James Posey 11.2%
LeBron James 11.1%
Kevin Durant 11.0%
Luol Deng 10.7%
Omri Casspi 10.4%
Grant Hill 10.3%
Corey Maggette 10.0%
Carmelo Anthony 9.9%
That’s still really good. League average for SFs is 9.3%, which is Kirilenko-level rebounding.
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The previous two years he was over 11%.
So he took a dip last year.
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Sorry for the double post...
But especially since he’s shooting a lot more often than the majority of those guys on that list. Durant and LeBron are the only two SF’s I would take over Melo (coincidentally they’re the only two high-scoring players above him on that list above).
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I would agree, but the dip was almost entirely on the defensive side. His ORR the last three years is 7.0, 5.6, 6.7. DRR is 14.9, 17.0, 13.1. Part of the decline is because Kenyon Martin suddenly began grabbing everything in reach, but it still leads to questions about what Anthony’s “true” rebounding level is, since his last 4 seasons are 8.9, 11.0, 11.5, 9.9. Looking at last year, with the same 40+ games, 20+ minutes, Anthony was #4 among SFs in ORR, and #27 in DRR. That could be partially due to defensive schemes, but given Lewis’ lack of defensive rebounding, I’d want to look more closely into why Anthony’s DRR is relatively low.
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Fair enough.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Free throws
Melo made more free throws per game than all but one player last year. He shot 83%. He averaged almost 7 boards a game last year. Needed physical toughness Orlando lacked. I know I’m crazy, but I was worried about Chris Paul’s knee and unloading our entire roster to get him when Jameer is already decent. I’m less worried about getting Carmelo. Only problem is, what players and people say rarely happen. I doubt this happens.
I can’t see any reason at all why they’d trade Melo for Carter. Carter is old. If I was the Nuggets I would rather lose Anthony at the end of the year. Maybe if they threw in another rookie like Anderson and a few draft choices.
It wouldn't be straight up
Anthony for Carter, Anderson, draft picks and cash is more likely.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 18, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Defintely see what you’re saying here.
I know Chris Paul is quite a ways ahead of Jameer or Melo… but having both Jameer and Melo for the Magic seems much better for the team… I would rather go forward with a Paul/Dwight core I suppose, but for the salary cap of the next 2-3 years, the Magic may be better off with a Jameer/JJ/Melo/Rashard/Dwight lineup.
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