Can we really win? Seriously?
by Redfield on Aug 11, 2010 2:15 PM EDT
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I want the Magic to take it to all of our Eastern conference foes, and I've been a fan through the good and the bad. However, I am not optimistic about this year. Let's be honest-we have the advantage at the center position. Beyond that: we lose at PF - Bosh or Boozer trumps Lewis; we lose at SF - James or Pierce trumps Richardson; we lose at SG - Wade trumps Carter; and at best we tie at PG - Nelson matches Rondo.
My thinking is that even if "inside-out" beats opponents during the regular season, match-up problems doom us in the playoffs. Add that to our salary issues for the next two years, and you end up with a rather bleak picture. It's really too bad, because we had a few years that really were encouraging.
Am I reading this incorrectly? I mean, I know that it is a team-game, but the individual prospects do not seem to be encouraging.
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Bosh, Booz, James, Pierce, Wade, and Rondo
are not all on the same team, and as for miami they have 3 of them but the rest of their team is very iffy, we are extremely deep and im sorry to tell you but NOBODY plays 48 mins a game :) we will be ok, we are in the thick of the east race, and i am very unsure if that ego trip in miami is going to work….there are only so many shots to go around
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by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Aug 11, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions
Yep
They are on different teams. Of course, that means against the heat we’re at a deficit of 2 versus 3. And against the Celtics we seem to be in hot water as well – they have loaded up to at least try and neutralize DH. I am not sure who really comes out on top between VC and Ray Allen either. I suppose my concern is more related to the East Elite teams than to the entire field. That is why I mostly mentioned those players, although I didn’t make that clear.
Granted, no one plays 48 minutes a game, but our bench didn’t impress me in the playoffs. (Not basing that on anything empirical/statistical, just gut-recollection).
I hope that you are right about Miami. But I figure it is only a matter of time before Pat Riley comes back to coach and pull those egos in line. That guy is Gordon Gecko in the flesh. I am just doubtful that we have the tools to get it done. But, that’s just my perspective.
we were playing 2v5 in any given game of the ECF and we lost the series 4-2
if even one more person steps up in either game 1 or game 2 we would have been coming back to Orlando for a game 7 which we would have had a good shot at winning.
Our roster is nowhere near perfect, but it is not as inferior to the Heat and Celtics as people are imagining it to be.
To me Miami is the our only clear cut competition in the east
The Celtics don’t scare me, and yes i know they did magically get through the Cavs and us last year but to me they beat the Cavs because of Delonte West not being able to keep it in his pants, and then beat us because we just didn’t show up and SVG simply refused to try a different line up. KG, Allen, and PP are getting really old especially KG, he’s 34 and came into the league at 18, he has a lot of minutes on that body, about 45,700. It will be interesting to see how Kendrick Perkins comes back from his injury. I am optimistic to see how this season is going to play out, I hope that working with Hakeem has helped Dwights’ game(the video of him dribbling and shooting jumpers has me VERY optimistic) because if dwight can be more dominant then i believe there is no stopping us. Only time will tell.
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by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Aug 12, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that is a somewhat fair assessment…especially the part about how we will continue to succeed during the regular season but that we are doomed matchup-wise in the playoffs.
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The Magic have proven they can beat every team that exists.
That one playoff series aside, the Magic’s track record against the Celtics is strong. They lost to the Lakers in the Finals that one time (without Nelson), but have generally outplayed them in the regular season (largely because of Nelson).
The Heat don’t exist yet. If we can’t even say what that team looks like, how can we say whether the Magic can beat them? All we know is that the Magic can beat everyone else, because they’ve done it.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
If we can't, we can't
I’m not going to get too worried about something that’s 10 months away or longer. I believe we can beat anyone if we play solid team basketball, execute our gameplan and play good defense. If I’m wrong, so be it.
like shaq used to say.....
if we play good defense and score more points than they do….we can come up with a big win…..
Just one mans opinion...
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by MagicDolphin on Aug 11, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If we trade Gortat for...
Jeff Green. Helps both teams. Slide Green to the 3. He is getting killed by big fours. With us he can play the three. I know he is not the missing piece, but we also save 36 million dollars. (18 for the contract plus double for the luxery payments) Also Green is an expiring contract. This would allow Ibaka to play the 4 and Gortat at the 5. Is it good to give the Thunder missing pieces that they need?? No idea, but we get a much more versatile player at the 3. Swap Carter for Peja to get an expiring contract and start JJ. Again all in my head but hey these are not like OH MY GOD WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND MAKES THAT TRADE!?!?!?!!? I mean NO just trade Collison for a huge contract. Paul, Carter, Ariza, West and Okafor is decent. Nelson, JJ, Green, Sweet Lou, and D12 is a good team as well. With the depth of Duhon, Pietrus, Bass, Anderson, and Richardson. And JWill. I am just saying. I actually like Bass at the 5. Short yes but he actually fits better there. Although with him and Anderson yeesh on defense. Although again they would just be there to give starters breathers.
Not so sure
They have not really been all too comfortable with him at the four. He got overpowered by Pau Gasol. If I am the Thunder I get a starting center and can put Ibaka at the four.
Also this is the NBA
I just saw Darren Collison traded for Trevor Ariza….. And I have seen Kwame Brown traded for Pau Gasol……. And KG and Ray Allen traded for nothing to the Celtics………Just saying this is the NBA. Bad trades happen all the time. I know Oklahoma has a smart front office, But I really don’t think any of them are perfect. Except maybe Miami’s. I am still trying to figure out how they pulled that off. Anyways, I think he would fit better as out 3 rather than Oklahoma’s 4.
You mean, how did Wade pull that off, don't you?
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by NC Magic Fan on Aug 13, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The Thunder traded for Cole Aldrich on draft night.
I think they’d like to see what they have with him first before trading for another Center.
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Good point
I completely forgot about that. Although Gortat is better than Aldrich. I saw Aldrich play and he is just not that good. Seriously. Aldrich is not mobile and barely averaged high points or rebounds. With Gortat you know what you are getting. He would be a double double. Not Dwight Howard double double, but 15 and 10.
15?
Anyway, Green is not a great player (too many mid-range jumpers, for one thing), and the Magic need an above-average defensive/rebounding backup C., because they’re not going to get those things from a PF. It doesn’t have to be Gortat, but it’s too late for it to be someone else.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
More like 12 and 10
But I see what you’re saying. Don’t think the Thunder would do it, but I can see where you’re coming from.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 13, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I do feel like the Thunder are attached to Green.
He’s gotten himself written into the team’s hypothetical core… in a way, that’s the end of the story. Thunder fans think of that team as Durant, Westbrook and Green, in that order. Now, personally, I think Harden becomes the no. 3 guy on that team in the long run. (Barring trades, of course.) But until/unless that happens, Green’s probably being overvalued somewhat by Thunder management.
But I will say Gortat would be a great fit for the Thunder. Put him next to Ibaka, and you’ve got a very solid core in terms of post defense. And I will also say Sam Presti is a smart dude… a post presence is the last piece of the puzzle for the team, and he most likely knows that Gortat has the ability to be a 12/10 kind of player.
I mean, I don’t want it to happen. Still.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Well, Otis would probably jump at the chance to deal Pietrus and the rights to Fran Vazquez for Durant.
Doesn’t mean the other team would be okay with it.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Not that Pietrus is as bad as Collison, of course.
Expiring deal or no expiring deal.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Right, I get that. I don't think Otis is interested in dumping Gortat for an expiring contract
Though Collison is still useful.
Collison is Tony Battie.
He’ll always have a backup spot in the league, and the team that gives it to him will always wish they had someone else.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
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