nash for jameer
by Kevin Lin on Aug 10, 2010 8:09 PM EDT
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lets say PHO bombs by mid season would you guys trade jameer for nash? straight up... Although I love Jameer i think this would be an interesting scenario.. I'll admit that it would be a short term decision but what if we realize the Heat are ripe for the taking this year, it might be worth it to go for it. I think Nash is a clear upgrade as a shooter and passer. Defensively speaking.. im not sure how much better Jameer might be.. what do you guys think?
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Nash has one year left on contract, and is older than dirt. Nelson, I keep
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I love Nash.
But I’m not making that deal. Nelson is a bargain at his current deal. Paul is the only available PG I trade Nelson for.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
For the Magic’s team, Id only trade Jameer for Chris Paul or Deron Williams. Steve Nash is as close as it comes to being included in that list, but I don’t see how that makes sense with Dwight being in his 20’s…
That's the thing, isn't it?
Nash is arguably, even at this stage of his career, a better player than Nelson – he’s way better offensively but much worse defensively, so it’s a bit of a wash.
But Nelson’s so very much younger and has a lot longer in this league. Throw in his chemistry with Dwight and it’s hard to justify trading him for anything other than a big long term upgrade – like Paul and Williams.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 11, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that's arguable.
I mean, I love Jameer, but let’s not fool ourselves.
I’d weight PG skills thusly: four parts passing, two parts scoring, one and a half parts defense, one part leadership/intangibles. (Of course, the biggest intangible is decision-making, but that’s also a major factor in the first three categories.)
Nash has a huge advantage in the first, a substantial one in the second… a moderate disadvantage in the third. (Nash is a below-average defender, but commentators have made way more of his defensive shortcomings than is valid, because they don’t take pace into account. Just as they’ve done with the Suns as a whole, really.)
Not that I’d make the trade — but it’s a long-term thing, not a current value thing. Nash is a one-year rental in that scenario… the Magic have several years to go, and no way to replace their PG. (Plus all the playbooks are drawn up for Jameer’s style… the team wouldn’t even be able to utilize Nash to his full potential.)
For the record, I’d trade Jameer for Paul, Williams or Stephen Curry straight up. I could probably be talked into Rondo, if it happened before training camp began. I wouldn’t do Nash for practical reasons, but you have to admit it’d be awesome while it lasted. And if they dealt him for Westbrook, I’d say “wellllll… I trust the front office to know what they’re doing here…”
A unless you want to count the likes of Wade as point guards, that’s it.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
It's not really true about defense
Nash’s defensive rating, which is points per 100 possessions, and therefore adjusted for pace, is absolutely woeful – 117 last season.
Nelson, admitedly with Howard behind him, posted 104. Given a typical NBA game, on average, lasts for just under 100 possessions, 13 ppg more allowed to opponents is very substantial.
He really is an awful defender at this point of his career, he can’t stay in front of anyone.
I’d trade for Rondo too. Stephen Curry? No thanks. Worse ball handler, worse playmaker. Better shooter, but hasn’t shown Nelson’s defense or leadership either.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 11, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing is...
…Phoenix has no inside presence whatsoever. So of course that’s going to make Nash look worse. He’s not good, certainly, but he’s not THAT bad… any team whose post players can’t stop a PG from driving is going to have trouble with PG defense. I’d almost go so far as to say the post guy is more important in terms of defending a PG than the opposing PG. (I wouldn’t go that far… but almost.)
And I feel like Curry is probably at the same level as Nelson as a playmaker at this point — look at his second-half stats. The first half drags his averages for the season down, but has very little to do with what he became by the end of the season. Of course, that’s in the Warriors’ system, so I’d take it with a grain of salt… but still, anyone who can post 7+ assists for half a season is a solid PG in this league. And given his age and the rate at which he improved over the course of last season, it’s reasonable to suspect he’s got more improvement coming.
You’re right that he hasn’t shown much as a defender, though. But you know, point guard defense, quack quack quack.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Not that Curry's even on the block.
For Nelson or in general. Don’t worry — I know that.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Obviously Curry's got youth on his side
I don’t think it makes sense for us to trade for a kid at this point of our roster’s development, that’s all.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 11, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it's not going to happen either way.
So I guess it’s nothing to worry about.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
No thanks to Westbrook. I like Rondo a lot, but dude cant shoot for his life, thats horrible for this system. Curry was a beast, but Im not quite ready to believe the hype, until 1 more season like the second half, especially with the team being GS. I would still take Jameer over these guys long term, Rondo developing a shot or 3-pointer would also give me pause tho. I wonder how Jennings will do this year, because he’s better than Curry if his 1st half season is the whole next season.
Not sure what you mean by that last bit.
Curry’s second half > anything Jennings did for any sustained stretch.
And maybe I’m gullible, but I believe it. I feel like you’re taking a gamble with Curry: “is he actually going to be a 22/7 guy with great shooting numbers, or did he just have a good half-season in a weird skewed system that favored him?”
But you’re also taking a gamble with Nelson, that Nelson’s going to stay healthy, that his previous injuries haven’t slowed him down to the point where his effectiveness is compromised, etc. Really, you take a gamble with any player. (Except Dwight. Dwight is always going to be Dwight.)
And I’’m willing to take that gamble with Jameer. (Which is good, because that’s the gamble we actually have.)
But the gamble on Curry has a higher potential payoff… he could stay a 22/7 guy, but he could also get better. I can see Curry developing into a first-team All-NBA guy. (Well, second-team… I’m not sure if he’ll ever surpass Chris Paul.) I could also see that not happening. But still.
And yeah, that’s why I said Rondo would require time. They’d need to rework the whole system for him.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
True, I did miss what you said about Rondo.
But Jennings plays for a real defensive, slower-paced team, and his first half of season stats were good. Also, Skiles made Jennings a real PG. He didn’t teach him to play all free like the GS system.
And all these young guys are great to see, and wonder where there potential goes, but at the same time, I like actual playoff performances over wondering what this player does under playoff pressure for first couple times. Jameer has a strong playoff career already.
Eh.
I tend to over-weight shooting percentage. I know this about myself. So of course I’m going to be high on Curry, and of course I’m going to discount Jennings until he shows me he’s not a 37% shooter.
But really, my concern with Jennings is that he got worse at everything after November or so. Not just shooting… passing too. Which looks to me like, as soon as the other teams figured out they had to key in on him, he didn’t have an answer for it, and he continued not having an answer. (In all fairness, late-season fatigue may have been a factor. Still.)
Whereas the more focus they gave to Curry, the better he did with it. His numbers went up, his percentages went up, everything. And this continued until the end of the year.
(And “playoff basketball” is not a skill. It’s the same game against the same players. But if it were a skill, Jennings was not effective at all this year…)
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
I can see what you’re saying with everything but the playoff basketball. We wouldnt be hating on VC right now if that were true… And Jameer’s playoff stats absolutely kill every other PG’s in the league but a select 3, 4, maybe 5 (When CP3 last was there, Deron, Nash, maybe Rondo depending on what you’re looking at and dont care about points/ %‘s). Look at Nelson’s last year playoffs stats and the ’08 season. (Even when Magic last lost to Detroit in the playoffs, Jameer actually put up great stats. Compare those stats to Mo Williams of the league; I already did and Mo decreased everywhere on the stats).
Maybe you're "hating on VC".
Don’t implicate me in your lapses of reason. Carter had a few bad games against a strong defensive team. That’s no reason to resort to mysticism.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
maybe, but he didnt do too good in the other series. less hate.. (i thnk he used to put up big stats in normal %s when younger),.. more age-ism instead lol.
If that's the case...
…was January part of the playoffs too?
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Rondo
Posted the same TS% as Nelson last season.
So either Nelson “can’t shoot for his life” either, or you’re stretching the truth a little.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 11, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
something like 70% of rondo's shots come at the rim
kid cant shoot a jumpshot/foulshot to save his life
Last time I checked
Two points are worth the same from a jump shot as they are at the rim.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 12, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
the knock on rondo is that he cant shoot a jumpshot
i dont see how well he shoots at the rim has any relevance to that point
Except...
when you take his driving and passing lanes away, giving him enough space to shoot a jumper, you like your chances when he takes that jumper since he probably won’t hit it. If you force him to shoot jumpers all game, he becomes ineffective. Not to mention, he’s a bad FT shooter too. This isn’t to say Rondo’s a bad PG because he’s one of the better PGs in the league and he’s a better passer and defender than Jameer Nelson but Jameer is a much better fit for this team since he’s a vastly better outside and FT shooter than Rondo.
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Yeah
And if you take Howard away from the basket you like his chances with a jump shot.
You can always make a player less effective by taking away his best shot. Lewis isn’t as efficient if he can’t get the three, either.
With Orlando’s outside shooters, Rondo wouldn’t need to hit jumpers. He could drive off the pick or dish to Howard rolling, or draw a second defender and kick to an open shooter. We run the PG shot out of the pick and roll because Nelson’s a good shooter, but as long as the guy you’ve got playing that position can do something effective with the ball, it’ll still be a good play. And Rondo has the court vision, the passing ability and the athleticism to be effective, even if he’s a mediocre jump shooter.
Solution – don’t take jump shots. And Rondo doesn’t have to. It’s not like he’s a guy without the athleticism to get into the paint or the vision to make the pass – he has both those things. If he doesn’t, then not being able to shoot is a problem.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 13, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
But...
Howard is a Center, he doesn’t need a jumpshot to be effective. Rondo is a PG which is one of the 3 perimeter position and it’s normally recommended that a PG has a consistent jumper and shoot FTs at a higher rate. I’ll agree that Rondo doesn’t really need a consistent jumper since he has Allen, Pierce, and KG to dish to, all of whom can hit outside jumpers much better than him. However, that FT shooting is a much bigger issue since he tends to rack up fouls when he takes it to the hole. Anyway, I could really care less about Rondo’s shooting as long as he’s not on the Magic.
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by GameManager on Aug 13, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Rondo doesn't need a jump shot to be effective either
He’s an All Star point guard without one, I’d say he’s doing just fine.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 13, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The only issue with a Rondo/Howard pick and roll is which one do you foul!
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by NC Magic Fan on Aug 13, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Both of them?
Let the refs decide which one can take the FTs…
by eltharion_doa on Aug 14, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
From Synergy Sports Technology
Rondo shot 36.9% eFG on jumpers in 2009/10
Nelson? 50.1%
by Evan Dunlap on Aug 11, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What the two below me said, tho we can wonder how much he’d get to the rim with Orlando to prove your point. But without that shot, it’s not a pretty way of offense for compared to Jameer, CP3, Deron, Nash; the dudes who shoot near/at 50% from the field without e/TS%.
Take someone's best shot away
And of course their efficiency falls.
Rondo’s a driving point guard who gets to the rim, draws contact and shoots foul shots. As long as he’s scoring, I’m not especially bothered if he’s not taking many of the least efficient shots in basketball.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 12, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Phoenix would do it for just Jameer straight up
Multiple draft picks, most likely, would have to be involved. Maybe another player like Marcin Gortat. I’m not saying that’s a good price to pay, but Phoenix makes a lot of money off Nash and replacing that will be next to impossible.
I’m not sure a Jameer Nelson for Steve Nash gets done because Phoenix will demand too much for Nash. Just my opinion though.
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Then we could trade Dwight for Shaq!
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by NC Magic Fan on Aug 11, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would the Suns want Nelson?
Why would Orlando want Nash?
I don’t think either player fits either team at all.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 11, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Nash is a brilliant pick-and-roll player, and Orlando's is a pick-and-roll-based offense.
by Evan Dunlap on Aug 11, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also an awful defender
Who is pretty close to the end of his career.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 12, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be a short term minded deal..
Just for next year i think having a very motivated Steve Nash would improve our chances.. Im not that down on jameer but Nash instantly makes everyone on the team better. I think it would be worth the risk. they are both on two year contracts.. its not like Jameer is a 24 yo point guard.
I think put him in the deadline of his last contract year, and both Phx/Nash will look to trade to contender, and the trade won’t be as lopsided as yours. I bet they’d love Gortat to play C rotation with Lopez.
Then Gortat could play for the team that originally drafted him!
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I'm just curious...
Have any of you ACTUALLY watched Nelson play? Nelson is the king of “oh Dwight is back there I don’t need to REALLY play defense”. Nelson is a below average defender as well as nash.
The CP3 trade is done…that won’t happen now that they traded darren collison away. aside from Rondo, CP3 is the best player for this system. Too bad we have NO chance at either one. If you really wanted to get a PG from PHX, then you guys are looking to the wrong one…Goran Dragic is by far the better PG right now. same offense (not the same jump shot, Nash still has him there)as Nash with a younger set of legs under him.
I would love to see some sort of major move done before the end of the season. Unfortunately i believe that we are done making moves this year. We should have offered the farm for CP3…
if you think goran dragic is a better pg than steve nash (even at this point)
i want some of what you’re smoking cuz it has to be primo
nash is arguably the greatest shooting guard of all time (not the position – just as a shooter)
Steve Nash WAS...
better than goran dragic is now yes…my point is RIGHT NOW, Goran is a better all around player than nash. Nash can’t play defense to save his life. Not because he’s a bad defender just that he’s too old to be able to stay in front of these young PG’s. Goran has the legs and has been learning from nash for years now. he had a semi-coming out party last year and i’m willing to bet that he plays a larger role this year than in years past due to it.
Goran would also fit the magic playstyle better than nash would. nash works better in a running system like the suns or D’antoni’s. Goran CAN play like nash but looks unnatural doing so. even though he has some fancy passes in there he’s no steve nash on offense. he IS a better all around player though and fits nicer into our system. That’s just my 2 cents.
Yep -- Dragic is a better defender.
More importantly than defense, Nash is a way more efficient scorer. And more importantly than scoring and defense put together, Nash is a great distributor of the ball, while Dragic is barely adequate as a backup point guard.
But I will concede that Dragic beats Nash in one minor aspect of their games.If there was a version of basketball where defense was the main skill a point guard had to have, I guess Nash and Dragic would be comparable.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Yes, a lot of Nelson's defensive approach is based on routing the opponent into Dwight.
What’s your point? That’s just smart play… and it’s consistently led to above-average results for Jameer. What do you want, a point guard who insists on making every possession one-on-one? Defense is team defense.
And don’t say it’s not a skill. There’s a difference between what you’re suggesting (Dwight is cleaning up Jameer’s mess) and what’s actually happening (Jameer is using his court awareness and knowledge of Dwight’s game to steer the opposing PG into bad situations).
You want proof? Look at Jason Williams. There’s what a poor defender looks like… a guy without court awareness or chemistry with Dwight. When the opposing PGs got past him, it wasn’t a plan. He didn’t make them work, and he didn’t force them into a situation where they then had to contend with strong post defense. He just let them go past him.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Yes, a lot of Jameer's defensive approach is based on routing the opposing PG into Dwight.
What’s your point?
That’s just smart play… and it’s consistently led to above-average results for Jameer. What do you want, a point guard who insists on making every possession one-on-one? Defense is team defense. That’s the only kind of defense that happens in basketball.
And don’t say it’s not a skill. There’s a difference between what you’re suggesting (Dwight is cleaning up Jameer’s mess) and what’s actually happening (Jameer is using his court awareness and knowledge of Dwight’s game to steer the opposing PG into bad situations).
You want proof? Look at Jason Williams. There’s what a poor defender looks like… a guy without court awareness or chemistry with Dwight. When the opposing PGs got past him, it wasn’t a plan. He didn’t make them work, and he didn’t force them into a situation where they then had to contend with strong post defense. He just let them go past him.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
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by NC Magic Fan on Aug 13, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Win now mode
We have 2 season left with Dwight unless we get someone that is more willing to help him out on offense. Hes unselfish to a point. If that means trading an average 28 year old for a hall of fame bound 36 year old, do it in a second. Theres no way Phoenix makes that trade though, so we can hang it up on that one.
That’s a fair reason, but if Dwight leaves, then I don’t know how 99.9% of all other stars/franchise-stars wouldn’t be doing the same thing in what is a league-wide phenomenon. I don’t buy it tho, Dwight likes it here, and this system is built all around him, and all for him, and he’s tasted the finals, he should know he can do it himself and with Jameer, Shard and team.
And if he can't do it with those guys
We have at most one down year (which we could tank for a good draft pick) and then have massive amounts of cap room to bring in elite pieces around Howard.
It’s unlikely he’s going to find a better situation than he’s got here. It’s not like with Shaq, where he felt underappreciated – Dwight knows how important he is to Orlando.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 14, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Does Orlando know how important Dwight is though
Depending on how Miami does, a better situation might be as far from the Southeast Division he can get. We can pay him, we can make the promise of getting better players around him. But if we are not close to being competitive with Miami, he gets out. I hope we can hang with the Heat, but if they rip off a few titles in a row we become radioactive to ALL free agents looking for more than a payday. How the Magic fare this season will have a huge impact on Dwights decision.
they obviously know how important he is
theyve been attempting to assemble the best players to compliment him ever since he blossomed into the best center in the league
If Dwight's the type of guy to run away from the Heat
So be it.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 16, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Personal success vs. team success
If Dwights not enjoying team success, like he has for the last couple of years, hes going to want personal success. That includes upping his scoring average to be a serious consideration for MVP. Getting someone that can better accomodate him on offense, like Nash, would probably up his scoring. Alot of NBA fans and writers, including people on this board, dont believe Dwight can be more of an offensive threat. I do and more importantly Dwight does. Whether thats true or not, only time and Dwight will tell. The suggestion he take a few jumpers a game is met with skepticism bordering on hostility. The same for changing offensive strategies or personel that MIGHT accomodate Dwights personal desires. Howards continued presence ensures a contendor. Dominant big men are the easiest to build around and the hardest to find. Lets not run him off by doubting his abilities as a complete player. I would like to think Dwight is what he says he is, but I cant ignore history or basic human nature.
He's going to enjoy team success in Orlando
If he’s going to run away from anything not involving a guaranteed Finals berth, there’s about zero teams in the league where he’d be happy (assuming he can’t go to the Lakers or Heat).
If he wants success, he’ll stay with Orlando. No team can offer him a better platform than we can. If he’s afraid of the Heat, then he’ll leave. It’s that simple.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 16, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Opposite's true, really.
The way I see it, if we were to accomplish this trade and win a title, that would free Dwight up to say, “all right, I’ve brought a title to this team. My point guard’s retiring, Shard’s either retiring or not coming back… this team is over. Time to move on.”
All that’s speculative, but so is what you’re saying…
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Oh yeah
My Jedi skills arent what they used to be. I have no idea what Dwights thinking. I will even contradict myself in saying the only team that really scares me is Atlanta. Its still in the Southeast division, but its his hometown. I will attempt to read his mind again in saying, I dont think hes really impressed with our roster right now. Its obvious he likes certain guys on a personal level (Jameer) but he wouldnt mind an upgrade in his professional life even at the cost of a few friendships.
Atlanta scares you?
….really?
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by TheGiantSquid on Aug 17, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I agree. Under a doomsday scenario, I could see Atlanta with a select couple others who are possible spots for Dwight. (This doomsday scenario has a 0.01% of happening tho lol)
The way Dwight carries on how great it is to be home
everytime he goes to Atlanta is my only basis for that fear. Some guys dont want to play in their hometown. Paul Pierce even loves shoving it down his hometown teams (LA) throat when he gets a chance.
If they're trading Steve Nash
You have to think they’d just turn it over to Dragic, blow up the roster and start over – not trade for a veteran PG on a non-expiring deal.
by eltharion_doa on Aug 13, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Arenas
VC/Rashard and Bass/Gortat and Jameer . Magic Arenas a 2 and 3 in a 3 team deal.
Jameer is afraid of Boston and LA’s bigs. He just stops at the line to shoot, mostly pass or retreat.
Anderson Bass/Gortat D12 will be 4 and 5 rotation.
PG Arenas
SG VC (if not traded) or JJ or 2
SF Rashard (if not traded) or Pietrus or 3
Arenas? Really?
A below average TS%, a below average 3-point percentage, a below average FT%, not a good defensive player. Why?
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by NC Magic Fan on Aug 18, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
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