Why Lebron Signing with the Heat helps Orlando
by jiggadpg00 on Jul 8, 2010 10:23 PM EDT
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When I heard Lebron signed with Miami, I was pretty relieved because, as he stated, 3 players cannot win a ring by themselves. The Heat can only attract old veterans looking to win now (i.e. J Will, Kurt Thomas, etc.) The only team I was afraid Lebron going to was the Chicago Bulls (and maybe the Clipps).
With that said, now Orlando looks very attractive for a star player to come to via a trade. Lets face it, Chris Paul now realizes he probably won't win a ring with NO, and Orlando now looks like the most attractive place to compete for a ring. This article sums up my thoughts:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/417419-two-reasons-lebron-james-signing-with-the-heat-helps-the-orlando-magic
So THANK YOU Lebron for unknowingly helping out the Magic!
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Yup
And what other team has better pieces to offer than the Magic? Gortat could be a center on any other team almost (and a reasonable contract given this year’s marketplace), Bass is very attractive, and Ryan Anderson too.
Plus Vince Carter’s expiring contract is very attractive…we have the talent to do a trade with another team
One thing that came to mind was that this opens the door for Dwight howard to win the mvp next season since lebron’s number will go down as well as wade’s
Interesting point
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 8, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but you are insane.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 8, 2010 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Haha
well only time will tell if I’m insane or not
Ben, is it safe to say you will have a write up on your opinon of what this means for the Magic?
For the most part you’ve been pretty quiet about it, and I’d be curious to see what your take is.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad someone is finding a silver lining in all this...
Cuz I’m drowning my sorrows in alcohol right now. I’m a Heat fan (born in Miami, raised in central FL) but I’m a Magic fan, and Lebron hater, first. I don’t want him to win before us.
have some faith
dwight howard can be a more dominating player than lebron once he hits his fts and learns a couple more post moves..plus we have 3 current/former all stars, and a deeper bench.. until Miami adds a decent Center and PG, I’d say we are still better than them
I'm trying to have some faith...
but it’s like seeing the asteroid swoop in the sky, you wanna pray or build a bunker or something but that thing’s all you see..
hopefully this asteroid deteriorates in the atmosphere by the time it reaches playoff time in 2011
He's never going to hit his FTs. man
After a certain amount of time, you are who you are.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 8, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I respectfully disagree
In no way does this “help” Orlando. They can still sign a good player w/the mid-level exception. Then minimum vet guys. I see Derek Fisher signing with them as their backup. When you have LeBron, Wade, and Bosh; you don’t need much else.
I feel horrible for Cleveland. When Shaq left, I hated him for it but understood why: more money and the LA lifestyle. But a local guy to leave to a team that would still be a good team next year for less money, it just sucks.
Thanks Vince.
they dont have the mid level this year
by doublettoluca on Jul 8, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
No, they can't
You don’t get the MLE if you’re under the cap by more than the value of it.
They’re down to whatever cap space they have left and minimum contracts. That’s it.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 8, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, no MLE?
Well, they may not be able to sign someone this year but they would get it next year right?
WTH happened on the Olympic team? Damn, Otis better start working Dwight’s extension right now!
Thanks Vince.
I feel bad for the city of Cleveland too
The Indians are in rebuilding mode, the Browns are a mediocre team, and now the Cavs will be also-rans for years to come.
I don’t blame Cavaliers’ fans for being angry with James.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jul 8, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never advocated major changes, but we need one if we're gonna be the unholy trio of Bosh, Wade and Lebron
yeah, occasionally we might be them, or even the lucky playoff series, but this is now a team that will win +55 games at least every season.
It’s not like they can’t get good role players, they will.
55?
I honestly think they will push 65-70 every season. If not more.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I estimate that the quality of players they will bring in will be enough to back them up.
Even now ESPN Radio is reporting Shaq wants into Miami with a 2 year vet min deal. There will only be more to follow.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Shaq didn't just burn the bridge when he left Miami, he nuked the next hundred miles of real estate.
To really expext him to contribute again after an injury and nearing the age of 40 is hilarious.
Still had PER of nearly 18 last season
He’s not a star by any means, but he’s still a capable contributor for 20 minutes a night.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 8, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially when all he will be needed for is to stand there and wait for a lob or an O-Reb.
Not like he needs to be a focal point of the offense.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He's still the size of Alaska
He’ll get 5 offensive rebounds a night just by sticking his fat arse in the lane.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 9, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
No
That’s Kwame Brown. Shaq’s a smart fattie.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 9, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly!
This is nothing like when Boston Signed Garnet and Allen. Boston still had a serviceable team surrounding them. Miami is capped out with only 5 players on the roster. Bosh is a good PF, but his numbers were inflated because he was "it" on that Toronto team and all three can’t play 40 plus minutes every single night. When Miami places there soon to be D-League Bench into the game, any lead/momentum will be lost quickly. I can see Miami winning its fare share of games next season, But Injuries, Fatigue, and a lack of a supporting cast will be too much to overcome for them come playoff time imo. Oh…and they still don’t have an answer for Dwight.
Dwight can't score 60 a game
Wade, James and Bosh can between them.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 8, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No one is arguing that
Where are they going to get that other 30-50 points?
If you're not having fun, stop participating.
James – 30
Wade – 25
Bosh – 20
They could have the rest of their roster average 3 points each and they’d still drop 105 a game.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 9, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
James/Wade combined is going to be low 50s max.
3 people don’t average 75% of the scoring on any team ever. This will not be an exception. There is only one ball on the court.
When was the last time a team
Had two of the best five NBA players on the court at the same time?
Even if James and Wade only average say, 55 points and Bosh 15, that’s 70 points a night right there. They only have to get fifteen points combined from the other two starters and have the bench chip in for 15 and that’s 100 points a night. I don’t think that’s in any way an unlikely scenario, either.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 10, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
well there's only been one 72 win team.. with good reason.
maybe 55 was a low number, but I didn’t want to be exaggerating too much.
Having
Three of the best 20 or so NBA players on one team in the same division as us in absolutely no way helps Orlando.
On paper, I'm sure Miami will be favored to win the East next season
…and deservedly so; but the last two seasons, Cleveland was favored on paper to win the East, and how did that turn out.
There are no guarantees in life; that’s why they play the games.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jul 8, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
Just trying to think positive for the Magic, that's all
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by Mike from Illinois on Jul 8, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Mike
I too, am hearing all the negative Nancey’s around here and it’s making me sick. Have some pride fellas. Once a threat, always a contender.
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 8, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea man
I wasn’t that worried about the Heat until I saw all these magic fans having anxiety attacks…I guess I’m in the minority, but I still think we have a better team than the Heat, unless they add real good veterans (like Fisher)
I agree
that’s why im not too worried, i don’t think the Heat can get good players this year…now next year, I’ll be a lil more worried once they have their MLE… but I’m not that worried about this year, especially if Dwight elevates his game
Lets just forfeit every game, trade everyone but Dwight, and start rebuilding.
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 8, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, because I/we all clearly said that
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Odviously, but the miami wade/bron/bosh love fest here is making me sick
literally.
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 8, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but it goes both ways
I’m getting sick hearing some people here say it’ll all be good and we’ll just walk into Miami, hit a couple threes, and walk out w/ the win, lol.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not that extreme
But I would rather understand that Miami just became a huge hurdle than to peddle the idea that they aren’t going to be any good. Some people here are acting like this will be a JV team until next year, and that’s just dumb. This lineup with a nursing home filling out the roster could win 50 games.
There’s always a chance, and I will root for the Magic to win each and every game they play, but I won’t pretend like they are the better team between the two, nor will I act like they can roll right through them.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree w/ you
It will be interesting to see how Dwight and co. rise to the challenge.
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 8, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Realistic expectations
It’s what comes with being an FSU fan.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, yes it does.
That being said, was that your attempt at a burn?
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 8, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No way.
We’ve been over this. I’m a huge FSU fan.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Right on. I forgot.
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 8, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Sooo whats the next step Otis????
I already had the flu and I think the news of the “super” team developing in Miami is going to make this illness last a little longer. I’m having anxiety attacks (yes, plural even though its been a matter of an hour and a half since this became public).
Is it possible for us to get something BEFORE the season starts or are we looking at a mid-season trade after we see how we stack up against the Heat? Is Carmelo a real possibility? Can we swing a trade for CP3 or some other Elite PG (sorry Jameer but the stakes just got a whole lot bigger)? What about David Lee? Would David Lee even fit on this team? Or maybe, just maybe the fact that this core group has played together for 3 seasons we’ll have enough chemistry to overcome this ‘super-squad.’ Are there any other ‘pieces’ out there that we can obtain or is it really just Melo, CP3 and Lee?
Thoughts????????
Lee is gone
Sign-and-trade to Golden State
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Nope
We’re not getting Melo, he’s going to stay in Denver
99% we don’t get CP3
Lee is in Golden state
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
The clock is about to strike 12 and all we got this year was the subtraction of Barnes, JWill and Dad along with the additions of Orton (who hasn’t looked great in the Summer league) and Duhan.
Now I’m being told that all three Melo, Lee and CP3 are non-options. Whats the move. We got to keep up with the Jones’ or in this case Pat Rielly.
by The Magic Man on Jul 8, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I highly doubt there will be any major move
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So your saying....
We’re sticking to our guns. We are going to sit here and say VC can play playoff defense, even if we know he cant. We are going to say that the stretch 4 will work against a team that has a long defender in Bosh, even if we know it wont. We are going to trust that D12 wont get into foul trouble with both Dwade and Lebron attacking the rim at will. I just dont see us getting back to the finals with this roster.
by The Magic Man on Jul 8, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That's likely how it'll shake out
I don’t really think we have much flexibility to make a big move
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
There are plenty of assets for Otis to trade.
The other team has to agree to such a move.
So what are some prospective moves. What players are you thinking of?
by The Magic Man on Jul 8, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Paul
it might not happen right now, but once his team starts to suck, he will ask for a trade…I can’t imagine a better place to come to than Orlando.. we have the pieces to trade, and we have a superstar he wants to play with
Paul isn't going anywhere.
And he hasn’t been since draft night. I don’t get why people are clinging so tightly to this idea.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably because he is the best point guard on the planet.
Most people don’t realize our chance of getting him was really close to 0% from the beginning.
I have no idea
But to say we have no flexibility is ludicrous. Lots of tradeable assets such as Bass, Anderson, Gortat, Vince, even Jameer (if we’re trading for CP3 which is a pipe dream).
I understand the flexibility but unless you have a target its like going out to hunt with a box of ammo and no birds flying over head. Its just a waste.
by The Magic Man on Jul 8, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said there was a valid target.
I was merely arguing the point that we don’t have any tradeable assets/flexibility.
Im well aware of the assets we have, I just dont see how that works to our advantage. This VC trade is looking worse by the minute.
by The Magic Man on Jul 8, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it's still a great trade 10 times out of 10.
We basically traded C-Lee for Vince and Ryan Anderson. Sorry, that’s a great deal every time.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
not when you take into account VC’s contract and what it does to our future moves. Also Anderson didnt do anything in the playoffs. Lee did a better job than VC did in the playoffs when you take into account the defensive side of the court.
by The Magic Man on Jul 8, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
VC's contract is done this year.
And Lee wasn’t a factor in half of the Philly series, or any factor against Cleveland and Boston due to his injury. He was alright against LA. Don’t skew things unrealistically.
How does a huge expiring contract ruin anything in the future?
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
it ruins this years run. the window will only be open for so long…
by The Magic Man on Jul 8, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
So we don’t trade for Vince.
We just lost Rafer and Battie to FA, without getting anything for them, and are still over the cap, and we still can’t make a move in FA this season.
How is that better than having an expiring contract to play with, and a season of a top ten NBA SG?
by eltharion_doa on Jul 8, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But we would TOTALLY have Courtney Lee!!!!11shift11!1!
And be saddled by Turkoglu’s god awful contract for the next three seasons.
There are no moves
Tweaking at the edges is all we’re going to do.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 8, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
eltharion_doa is just a screen name for Otis Smith
In eltharion_doa we trust?
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 9, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Some other PG? CP3 and maybe maybe ONE other PG are the only guys I’d take over Meer.
by derekk on Jul 9, 2010 6:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Losing Courtney Lee & Matt Barnes
is painful now. We’re gonna be stuck with VC having to guard either Wade or LeBron. If VC can’t stay with Wade then we’ll just put J.J. on him so he can get torched, too. Be afraid, be very afraid. LA is the only team equipped to deal with Wade, LeBron & Bosh.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Lee
Can’t guard Wade or LeBron either.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 8, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
No, really. You're insane, and here is why:
A. 3 players cannot win a ring by themselves
No, but they certainly can win a ring by having 3 of the best players in the game surrounded by veteran role players who are willing to do whatever it takes to get that much sought after trophy.
2. The Heat can only attract old veterans looking to win now
Yup, and there is nothing about that that makes it any easier. Veteran ring chasers will now line up at Miami’s door to play there, most likely taking less money and adapting to whatever is asked of them, because the situation is that ripe for postseason success.
D. …now Orlando looks very attractive for a star player to come to via a trade.
Orlando has looked attractive for a couple of years now, but just because a player is interested in playing for a different team doesn’t mean their current team is going to acquiesce to their needs because they want them to succeed elsewhere. A team like New Orleans doesn’t make moves to keep Chris Paul and then ship him off because things just got more difficult. If anything, the death grip in him just got tighter.
Green. Any time you have to link something from Bleacher Report, you should question it completely. Bleacher Report is the Fox News of sports reporting: all headlines and no substance.
That being said, I appreciate the positive thinking. I just don’t expect many people will be joining you on that venture.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
I think
you’re discounting the players we have.. i know lebron and wade are the top 5 best players in the game, but who is going to stop dwight howard? I guess i’m in the minority, but i still have faith that our 3 other all stars (nelson, vc, and lewis) can hold their own and allow us to compete with the Heat…not to mention our bench is 1000x better
If I'm Miami, I use those three to shut everyone down and let Dwight run rampant.
I’m not discounting anyone, I just think the team they will put together will be ridiculously good.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea
It’s gonna be a good team no doubt…but we’ll see, I think if Dwight develops his game more, we have a chance
Im not sure that our bench is going to be very good. Duhan, Gortat, JJ and Anderson isnt exactly unbeatable. If they put Fisher, Haslem, Jwill and Thomas thats even in my books.
by The Magic Man on Jul 8, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Fisher is not going to sign for the minimum.
Haslem is unlikely to do that as well. JWill is beyond his productive time as a player as evidenced by the second half and playoffs this year. Not sure which Thomas you are referring to (likely Tim or Kurt).
The problem is going to be
that we only have 1 lockdown defender in Pietrus and he can only hope to contain LeBron. That will leve either VC or J.J. on Wade and there is zero chance of either of them slowing down Wade. Then there’s Bosh who has his way with Rashard or will draw Dwight away from the basket so LeBron and Wade can have a lob-fest.
LeBron and Wade are both elite defenders and scorers. Dwight is only an elite defender and there’s a good chance the Wade, LeBron, Bosh combo will be a struggle for Dwight to stay out of foul trouble.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Exactly.
As far as starting lineup, they need a serviceable PG and a C who can grab O-Rebs and be in position for lobs. That’s it. I actually think Big Z would be perfect for them in this situation. They still have to put together a bench, but I highly doubt they have trouble doing that. Let alone they can stagger Wade, Bosh and Lebron’s time on the floor. It’s a scary thought, when you get down to the nitty gritty of it.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok so..
who’s gonna guard Jameer? Bosh will have trouble guarding Rashard at the 3 point line. And our bench will probably easily outplay theirs
It doesn't matter
With Miami’s Big 3 scoring at will, Jameer can score 50 and it won’t make a difference
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't bother watching the game then
Seriously.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
Chalmers or anyone will guard Jameer
if Jameer is dominating then they’ll put Wade on him. We have a significant advantage at C and a decent advantage at PG. Wade, LeBron & Bosh will have significant advantages on offense and will have Wade or LeBron on VC with the other one guarding MP. It’s a bad matchup for us, even worse than the LA matchup.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Other than LA
name a team with the personnel to stop Wade, LeBron & Bosh? LA can do it with Kobe on Wade, Artest on LeBron and Pau on Bosh but no other team has anywhere near the personell to stop 2 elite scorers like Wade & LeBron.
I fear that the old “funnel everyone to Dwight and let him do all the work” method won’t work against the offensive caliber and speed of Wade & LeBron.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Wow I guess
we should just not play next year since Miami is going to win the East no matter what right? I did not expect this from Magic fans…
When did I suggest that?
I’m just being realistic here. You saw how Barnes/MP & VC couldn’t defend Pierce or Allen but you think they’re going to miraculously be able to stop Wade and LeBron who are much better & younger.
Dwight & Jameer will be our best chance and of course we can pull off an upset but I’m not going to pretend the Miami move helps the Magic in any way, shape or form.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
It won't work.
There will have to be adjustments made. Every team is going to need a zone package against them (assuming they can’t lure some deadeye shooter to take the minimum deal). But even if their starting lineup is by far and away the best, they are going to have a garbage bench. They will have to sub guys out at some point, and they can fall behind when that happens.
Also, depth has a huge part to play in regards to injuries. Nothing is set in stone.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
No. Chalmers will be on the bench.
With Wade and LeBron, they won’t need a PG.
LeBron-Wade-Miller-Bosh-Glass Cleaner
or
Wade – Miller – LeBron – Bosh – Warm Body
Who needs a 6 footer in that lineup?
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
What veteran ring chasers are available this season who are actually going to *make a difference* on that team?
Shaq? Ben Wallace?
Hmm
Juwan Howard, Big Z, Kurt Thomas, Michael Finley..just off the top of my head
Howard is still alive.
JK isnt he from the class of 93?
by The Magic Man on Jul 8, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
They dont need to scare you they just need to give Spolstra 10 – 14 min a game.
by The Magic Man on Jul 8, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, sorry but we had our chances the last 2 years, and failed
all we can hope for now is an appearance in the ECF
If at first you don't succeed, try the ^&%^$% harder!!
So you're saying there's a chance?
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Posted this earlier but it's more befitting now...
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 8, 2010 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
slickw143 thinks LeBron James is doing the best thing for LeBron James
I think I just spoke in the 6th person. Anyways, there are two things I feel the Magic and the fans can look at as a possible silver lining in all of this.
First, they don’t have nor will they have anyone to guard Dwight, because there’s no one available on the market who can. That’s what Boston and LA had the last two years that kept us from winning the title. If Dwight gets even better offensively over the off-season, then that’s a huge advantage for us. Second, with the looming CBA, I think there will be at MOST three vets who will take minimum deals to jump on to their ship. This is the last chance for some good role players to get paid. The Heat will have garbage for depth, and who knows how things play out if one of the Ginormous Three gets hurt, or how much they have left at the end of a game after logging 44 minutes each.
Either way, I’m still nervous.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
I'd agree with most of that
The East, and the Southeast, just got an awful lot trickier. But that’s why we play the games. All the Chris Bosh in the world isn’t going to stop James from being scared of driving on Dwight…
by eltharion_doa on Jul 9, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
now that my initial fears of Lebron to the Heat has subsided...
I can’t wait for Dwight to pull out the Dream Shake (or I think he calls his own version the Milk Shake) on Bosh.
The East has gotten so much tougher.
Obviously Miami has gotten so much better. Also, the Celtics reassembled the Big Three and got Jermaine Oneal. The Bulls are top 4 in the East now with Rose, Boozer, Deng, Noah.
These 3 led the U.S. to defeats against Argentina and Lithuania.
With a much better supporting cast. I know, not the same, but just saying.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Jul 8, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
That's really different.
They had Dwight in the middle and CP3 running point, with Kobe taking over games when necessary. I know there are some Kobe haters here, but Kobe was the one who looked at the rest of the team and said “Give me the ball”. These guys are such friends, I don’t know who will do that. Maybe Wade does that for a while, but I don’t see LeBron’s pride sitting back and accepting that for so long and I don’t think Wade has the clout or attitude that Kobe has to completely squash it either.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
When they had Kobe and Dwight they got gold.
Wade and LeBron only got them bronze. Bosh wasnt part of that failed Dream Team of 2004. My mistake.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Jul 8, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah wait, you're talking about 2004.
Sorry, when you said defeats against Argentina and Lithuania I thought you meant we beat them. But yeah, that is true. Argentina and Lithuania definitely had less talent than the 2004 team, but they were a better TEAM. That’s what Lakers’ fans, Magic fans, Boston fans, etc. are all hoping that their teams can do.
Hell, we ran up into that last year. We were certainly more talented than Boston at this point, but they were a better team than us.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
I blame english language glitch on my part. It happens from time to time.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Jul 8, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ain't no thang but a chicken wang.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Just read it. Ouch.
And yet, I agree with every word (at least the ones blasting Lebron).
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah this is a pretty horrible thing to say.
It will hurt Cleveland’s chances of a quick rebuild. No one is going to want to play there at all now.
I guess someone should tell Dan that his team just became the Nets
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 8, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's be fair
They are a wealthy Polish man and an investment by Lil Wayne away from a lottery pick and a move to the scintillating burough of Toledo.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
AWESOME letter. Just what everyone, that is not fan of the Heat, is thinking right now.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Jul 8, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It really isn't awesome. He should be a little more professional. He should actually be a lot more professional.
Lebron gave them seven years of amazing service. It isn’t his fault that their team wasn’t ever good enough.
LeBron's circus was not professional either.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Jul 8, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The Front Office should have checked Lebron's ego at the door a long time ago.
The Lakers did it with Kobe.
#justsayin
Correction
The Lakers Phil Jackson did it with Kobe.
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, LeBron had everything he asked from the Cavs... he was pretty much running that organization, he held them hostage.
I can’t agree that his supporting cast wasn’t good enough to win a championship.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Jul 8, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I really think the "Lebron is the Cavs front office" story is pretty overrated.
And do you honestly think that Mo Williams as your second best player is good enough to win a championship??? His teammates played well when the stakes were low (reg season) but fell apart in the playoffs.
I can
His supporting cast wasn’t. That was their own stupid fault though.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 8, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid guarantee
“I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE”
What’s he gonna do, give Cavs fans back their season ticket money if James wins a ring in Miami? Idiocy.
The rest of it’s alright.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 8, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
“The good news is that the ownership team and the rest of the hard-working, loyal, and driven staff over here at your hometown Cavaliers have not betrayed you nor NEVER will betray you. "
I don’t think the ‘nor NEVER will betray you’ is what was meant. I think he meant ‘nor EVER will betray you.’ Unless he plans to move the team overnight…..
Welcome to Miami, Mike Miller
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the real question we all need to ask is:
What’s the over/under on simultaneous whistles in Lebron/Wade’s favor over the course of the season?
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
They'll run into each other
And get to the line.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 8, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
each
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 8, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I just feel bad for the refs in trying to decide who gets to shoot the free throws
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
Jermaine O'Neal to the Celtics
Not that anyone really cares
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
What's next?
Tim Legler giving the Magic respect?? only in my dreams
That will never happen.
He will probably have us ranked as 5th or 6th in the East.
Remember last year the journalist from the Washington DC area who said the Wizards were going to get the #3 seed and Orlando was going to be 7th or something like that?
That's nothing
I read a bunch of NFL playoffs that had Indianapolis missing the playoffs.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 9, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
And now that it is 12:23 and we haven't heard any news.
Our 6.8 million TPE likely expired without incident.
Already sold out their season tickets
I guess that doesn’t guarantee they’ll show up though.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 9, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Fun with twitter
Two of the top three trending topics right now (in order):
“involuntary manslaughter”
“LeBron James”
Hope LBJ’s paid his bodyguard’s wages.
You forgot the top trending topic
Scottie Pippen
in which every single comment is about lebron james now never being anything other than Scottie Pippen, because he is no longer the focal point of the team he is on.
That doesn't fit the joke though
Stop carrying the one.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 9, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
the "involuntary manslaughter" has to do with the verdict in Oakland
about the transit cop that shot a man in the back
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 9, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I'M SORRY
WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 9, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
no it doesn't.....it's LeBron
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
Don't discount either how partied-out road teams get in S. Beach.
Difficult enough to play in Miami with a hangover….and now this, too?
’Course we can hope this happens to the home team this year, too.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
Magic are a benefit of South Beach as well.
Lots of back to back games for opposing teams start in Miami and play in Orlando the second night.
That is going to be a BRUTAL back to back now for everybody. Both Orlando to Miami and Miami to Orlando. I think it happens like 15 times a year for the opposing teams, especially the Western Conference ones where they lump the trips into regional sections.
But now Stern will schedule teams to Orlando first.
/pessimism
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
Maybe
Bosh will get so depressed that Wade’s getting all the South Beach hotties that he spends the whole season moping, Hedo style.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 9, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
well now that he shaved his head, he has a bit of a chance...
that’s until D-Wade flashes that ring, then boom, no love for CB4.
I'm conflicted on how I feel about New York
part of me feels bad for them, but the other part wants to laugh….
the laughing’s winning out, ngl
I'm a girl.
Mmmm
New York are too close to actually being decent for me to feel much mirth. If they can grab Ridnour or Felton, they’re in the playoffs in the suddenly overwhelmingly top heavy East.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 9, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Udonis Haslem anyone?
Would love for the Magic to sign that guy.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
I like him
Hard to see him accepting the sort of money we could offer, though. He’s good enough to get $4-5m a season.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 9, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm imagining what sorts of items they'll be chucking at him
headbands, pennies, nickles, dimes, baby powder bottles…
Did anyone read the letter by Dan Gilbert?
The sorriest letter i ever read- sorry Dan but Lebron deserves to leave.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
Yes. I read that.
Very scathing. One minute, in love. The next minute, that letter.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
I wonder if Lebron left
cause delonte west had sex with his mom
Gilbert's a jilted lover
He’s given James absolutely everything for 7 years, catered to his every whim, put up with his bullshit, coddled him, surrounded him with syncophants, waited on him hand and foot, then James has nicked off with some bikini model.
He’s bitter.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 9, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah "Jilted lover" is exactly the term I used when talking to a friend.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
OK NOW IM AFRAID
Mike Miller signed with the heat…now im afraid GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!
Source/link?
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
Crap!
Either Dictator Stern raised the salary cap for the Heat exclusively or Wade/James/Bosh each took hearty pay-cuts.
I'm a dude!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U
yea im scared
but i still have faith…we need some players to step up, and we need dwight to reach a new level of stardom
wait... Mike Miller signs with the Heat?
5 year, 30 million?
That’s gonna be a lot of money for sometime sweeping up Lebron’s minutes.
Makes me wonder how much of a pay cut Bosh and Lebron will take.
Saw an article yesterday that said each would take $1.2 million less first year, $7 mill longer term
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 9, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is about what they'll save in state taxes, I reckon
Not going to cost them much overall.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 9, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That's all of their cap space though.
And how much better is he than Beasley? I don’t understand it that much. Every other move from here on HAS to be minimum deals.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
It was on ESPN bottom ticker
and if u google it, its on the news results
random newspaper in south dakota is the source?
don’t see anything on the espn webpage about it, so it isn’t confirmed as of yet.
OK then
They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.
I'm a guy.
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 9, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
This is nuts
I’m sorry but it is just plain nuts to say this in any way helps orlando. Our lives just became a LOT more difficult.
MIke Miller Signing With Heat?
Is the Mike Miller signing official? It was still speculation Thurs. night.
He likely will
Miami’s just taking their time to figure all of the numbers to make them be able to sign them all.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 9, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
MIAMI Lineup
Right now the roster is:
Chalmers
Wade
James
Bosh
Bird Rights: Joel Anthony
2nd round picks: SF-Da’Sean Butler, C-Dexter Pittman, C/PF-Jarvis Varnado
Signing: Mike Miller
Remaining Cap: $3.8M
Looks like:
Chalmers / Fisher (reported conversations)? or JWill?
Wade / Miller
James / Butler
Bosh / Varnado
Anthony / Pittman
Those rookies will get (a) a lot of heat form the big 3 and (b) a lot of coaching from the big 3. Will make a difference by playoffs (remember Boston’s big 3 with Rondo & Perkins). This team is not just the 3 amigos + vet minimum players. Better than that.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
Might be wrong on having Anthony's Bird Rights.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 10, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if he had to be renounced or if they kept his cap hold.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 10, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope.
Read this a.m.: Coon says in ESPN article that they made QO to Joel Anthony.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 10, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so.
QO is a cap hold. Not a whole lot different in his case than a held roster spot. Check out Sham’s site.
http://72.9.241.210/content/pages/data/salaries/heat.jsp
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 10, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not true
QO’s have a cap hold. Any player you have the rights to has a cap hold, even if it’s just minimum salary (ie the same as an empty roster spot, which also has a cap hold).
Anthony’s cap hold is a touch over $1m, as that was the QO level. That cap hold is only about $500k more than it would be for a minimum spot, so the Heat had little incentive to renounce Anthony – $500k between the three stars doesn’t really matter.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 10, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced it's that cut and dried
If nobody will give him the kind of money he wants (reportedly $10m over two years) I think he’d take the minimum from Miami over most other options.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 10, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he does a 15min special and declares that LA fans are punks and his takin' his old ass to south beach
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