Orlando Magic Agree to Sign Chris Duhon: The Morning After
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 7, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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PrintThe Orlando Magic addressed their need for a long-term backup point guard yesterday when they reached an agreement to sign Chris Duhon to a four-year deal. Let's see what the blogosphere has to say about it:
Chris Duhon agrees to terms with the Magic - Ball Don't Lie
Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie calls the Duhon signing "a good acquisition." He explains:
But he's also a backup point guard, and often has the ability to work as one of this league's best in that particular realm. He's Chris Duhon, he's below average, and he'll be working for below the league average in terms of pay. Such a deal.
Dwyer, a Bulls fan who followed Duhon closely during his years with Chicago, cautions Magic fans to prepare themselves "for him to get all Chris Duhon-y on you, in an instant."
Orlando Magic sign Chris Duhon as their backup point guard - ProBasketballTalk
Kurt Helin doesn't like the signing for Orlando, as he believes Duhon is a downgrad from Jason Williams. His conclusion?
Thing is, the Magic did not just get better, especially if anything happens where he has to play extended minutes.
MAGIC: Denton: Magic Reach Agreement With Duhon
John Denton's write-up of the news for OrlandoMagic.com mentions that Duhon's contract will pay him $3.25 million next season. There's more useful information within.
Chris Duhon on Orlando Magic: We finally got together – Orlando Magic BasketBlog
Brian Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel got in touch with Duhon to discuss the signing.
- Duhon deal leaves less money for Magic to re-sign Matt Barnes – Orlando Magic BasketBlog
Josh Robbins, a colleague of Schmitz's at the Sentinel, explains how signing Duhon affects the Magic's chances of retaining Matt Barnes. In a word? "Adversely."
Chris Duhon Agrees to Deal With Magic -- NBA FanHouse
Duhon's agent, Kevin Bradbury, told Sam Amick of NBA FanHouse that Duhon is tight with several Magic players.
"Mentally, he's ready to get to Orlando and get to work. Him and Jameer [Nelson] are already friends. He and Dwight Howard are already close, so I think the guys will all fit together real well."
KnickerBlogger.Net | 2010 Report Card: Chris Duhon
If you're looking for reasons to like to Duhon signing, don't read this evaluation of his 2010 season with the Knicks by Mike Kurylo of Knickerblogger.
Basketball Prospectus | 2010 Free Agency | The Point Guards
Yesterday, Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus published this guide to free agent point guards. He says Duhon and Earl Watson "have proven they can be passable as starters and assets as reserves."
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Magic looking real good right now and no one wants to speak on it
It looks like Chris Bosh is definitely heading to Miami
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5360134
This is good for a few reasons
1) While we now have a competitor in our division, Chris is one of the few big men who struggles against Dwight (I’m going on observation not stats). Miami with just Wade and Bosh is not a threat to me. Especially if Dwight is learning Hakeem’s moves.
2) Le Bron for all indications is probably gonna stay in Cleveland (No way you do an elaborate 1 hour special just to drive a stake into the heart of a state…no way!) The problem is, he has no one there now that Bosh is goin Miami. And I dont think Shaq returns to trouble Dwight. Even if Lebron changes his mind, his alternate choices (NJ, NY) arent a threat in the short term.
3) Boston gave us fits, but they don’t have Thibs and Sheed and Perk are out. The team is a year older and Shaq should he join, is a year older too. Therefore I dont think Dwight struggles against them as much this year.
4) Chicago. They are the only question. Noah under the guidance of Tom Thibedau could be a problem and they MAY still get Lebron. But you can say they are just as many question marks as to how that team would function. Can thibs be a personality eader as much as an X’s and O’s guy? Will Noah buy into his discipline? Will Lebron’s non-chalant fun personality clash? More quesitons than answers, and I think Chicago is the only basketball sense move for him. Still not worried about them vs. Orlando.
Right now the Magic are looking read good. But we gotta get a productive PF and one who SVG will encourage to be a low post and rebounding enforcer with Dwight, rather than get sucked into the perimeter culture most of the guys are used to here.
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by Wasabi Steak on Jul 7, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Seems Bosh is joining Wade.
You have good points. The only team I would be affraid of will be the one playing the kind of defense that Boston did this playoffs which is easier said than done.
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I thought so too but...
but I just cant see Lebron pulling this elaborate one hour special just to mess with the most tortured fanbase in North American Sports.
Im only worried about Cleveland in the sense that maybe all they needed was a better coach to get them over the hump and Byron Scott is it. So maybe the same cast of guys is a good thing for them
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by Wasabi Steak on Jul 7, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Worried still about Miami
I still think there is a chance that they get Lebron too, all 3 taking a little less money. THAT would terrify me.
Why would that scare you?
I would welcome that scenario. The rest of that team the 9 OTHER players HAVE to be minimum players. This means those 3 will have to play MAJOR minutes in the regular season and still rely on guys that should barely be in the league
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 7, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, they need other guys.
and I dont see Lebron going to Miami
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by Wasabi Steak on Jul 7, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh and Lebatard just reported Shaq is considering a two deal with the Hawks
If so, he’s officially thrown in the towel. ATL with all that food and women= No way Shaq helps Horford.
The lane is open for Orlando to get a couple of valuable roleplayer signings and seal this thing.
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Thanks God........for Duhon and not CJ Watson
Thanks God that the Magic sign Chris Duhon and not CJ Watson, at least Duhon can pass the ball and shoot some 3’s fitting perfectly in the Magic’s offensive system. Finally people will stop talking about Magic getting CJ Watson and how good he is bla bla bla, good job Otis no CJ Watson in Orlando.
Duhon's coming, time to look at the other mess we're in...
…Otis and Stan’s jobs just got more diificult and Dwight’s life just got a little harder. With Bosh and Wade in Miami now, Orlando needs to make a move to counter. Regardless of the rest of their roster not being complete, the pundits will now place Miami ahead of Orlando as contenders and Orlando is definitely going to have to go through Miami to win the East. Time to make some serious moves beyond Chris Duhon to strengthen our position atop the Southeast.
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Can't do much
with roughly $2 million of the remaining MLE and the Bi-annual exception.
Ben (or anyone else for that matter), can Orlando combine the MLE and the BIA to offer to someone roughly a $4+ million contract?
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 7, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
No
They cannot be combined
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 7, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Does Miami even have a bench?
They have like 4 players under contract right now if I’m not mistaken.
Until they assemble and entire team, it’s too early to be talking counter moves in my humble opinion.
Even with Wade and Bosh, they still have enough cap space for a little less than a max contract
which they can (and should) spread around to numerous other players, plus the MLE. They’ll probably look very good come season’s beginning.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 7, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand that...
But you don’t know who they will/won’t sign. There are other teams other than the Heat that are in play as far as competing for free agent role players, and it’s still not guaranteed that they will be able to assemble an effective bench.
I for one am not ready to crown them just because they’ve landed Wade/Bosh.
they have the minimum roster cap holds on their cap already as well as the 5 million from beasley
they are close to 44 million so far, and if the cap is 56 then they have 12 million left
I believe...
That if you are under the cap at any point during free agency period then you do not have the MLE to use. It’s only for teams who start the signing period over the cap amount, such as the Magic.
Isn't it....
….if you’re under the cap by greater than the amount of the exceptions you get cap space, otherwise you get the exceptions?
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See Im not worried
At the moment all they have is Bosh and Wade…literally!
Bosh is not that aggressive of a guy to give Dwight fits.
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by Wasabi Steak on Jul 7, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
You have to be kidding? Right?
Just because perhaps Miami will sign Chris Bosh, put them ahead Orlando in the southeast division. First of all, the Magic still having the best bench in the NBA, the core have been together for three years, two years in a row in the conference finals and one year in the NBA finals, and in case that you forgot the Magic have the two times defence player of the year, yeah that is right in case forgot he name is Dwight Howard.
I said strengthen our position atop the Southeast which means we are still the best team in the Southeast. Secondly, I said the pundits are going to claim Miami is the better team…that of course is expected (we can win the championship and the pundits will still say our 1st round opponent was the better team). I’m well aware of our talent and the fact Miami has like 3 players under contract w/o Bosh and Wade. I just think we need to be proactive, eventually Miami will become seriously good and we can’t rely on the fact we had deep team in 2009/2010, you know?
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I have learned to care less what the pundits think.
With our financial situation, I think Otis is doing about as good as he can. At some point you have to trust that the guys you signed will both step up and get better.
I don’t think there is a whole lot we can do considering our financial situation and what’s available.
MIA still has no options at PG or C
I’m feeling okay right now
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 7, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Imagine Shaq and J-Will back in the Heat, that would be kinda silly (I know Shaq probably going to ATL)
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Earlier today
Wade this morning said he expects Spoelstra to be the coach next year
It isn't really Wade's call to make.
I would feel really badly for Spoelstra if he did lose his job though.
Me too.
Pat Riley is a hack!
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Speaking of pundits...
…fucking Bianchi already up to his sensational antics by claiming that the Heat are the team to beat…not the Magic. What the fuck is wrong with this guy. Can the Sentinel please fire his ass??
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The Heat have 5 players under contract
lets fit those guys for their ’11 championship rings !
Lol. I dont care if ESPN says stuff like that but I expect our local paper to be a little more on our side. Bianchi just grinds my gears.
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I typically don't read many of the things the Sentinel writers write.
I always preferred John Denton to anyone there.
My Sentinel readership has gone down to 5%…it’s almost at 0.
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Tania Ganguli and Josh Robbins are doing great work.
Don’t miss their stuff.
Diaz hits the mark occasionally.
Agree w/ skipping Bianchi, Schmitz completely.
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Diaz has had a couple articles that I didn't dislike.
And I do read Tania and Josh’s articles occasionally, but they don’t typically get the headlined articles.
Duhons contract
Any word on whether the last year is a team option of partially guaranteed?
Point guard
We had a good back up for years. We still need a good point guard.
We have one of the 10 best in the league
and he is a bargain for the price. They only way to get someone better is to spent $10 million more.
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 7, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Name 10 better PG's
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Jul 7, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Chauncy Billups, Derrick Rose, Jason Kidd, Baron Davis, Devin Harris, Russel Westbrook, Gilbert Arenas, Tyreke Evans
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 7, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Jameer’s 12.6 PPG, 3 RPG, 5.4 APG > Harris’ 17 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 6.6 APG?
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 7, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone has to put up bad numbers on a bad team.
Harris is a career 30% three point shooter. His greatest strength is getting to the foul line, which he does quite frequently. He has also been frequently injured, as he has played in the mid-60s games the past couple seasons.
So Harris is a penetrator and Jameer is a shooter. Your point? Jameer has been as injury prone as Harris, and Devin gets more steals, as well.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 7, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
We're not talking best fits for Orlando
It’s best point guards in the league.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 7, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
But from that list, who would you really want on Orlando instead of Jameer?
Just putting a little Magic perspective on it.
And Nelson gets more rebounds (on a team that rebounds better overall, so he has fewer opportunities) and turns the ball over less. This could be argued either way, but to say Harris is clearly better than Nelson, I don’t agree with. Depending on what you want from a point guard, either one could be considered superior.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
um
Harris averaged 3.2 rebounds, Jameer averaged 3 rebounds. Devin rebounded better. More turnovers is a byproduct of more playing time.
As you said, it can go either way. I never said he was clearly better than Jameer either, I just listed PGs I thought were better. He was one of the guys I was more iffy about, along with Tyreke and Arenas. Yes, it boils down to what you prefer, and I love guys who have more inside/penetrating ability more than shooters, but Jameer does fit Orlando better
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 7, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I was looking at per-minute stats. Harris averaged 3.3 TRB per 36 and 2.8 TO. Nelson averaged 3.8 TRB and 2.7 TO.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
True.
I think a lot of people forget that Jameer only averaged 28.6 mpg this past season.
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I'll give you Paul, Williams, Rondo and Nash.
I’ll probably give you Westbrook, though I don’t like him personally. I’ll probably give you Billups, though he’s aging. And I’ll give you Stephen Curry, who you didn’t even mention.
Rest of those guys are dubious at best. Parker and Kidd are no longer the players they once were. Rose is Steve Francis minus a three-point shot: no court vision, no defense, nothing but showing off. Davis does his team more harm than good. Harris is a stat stuffer. Arenas isn’t even in the conversation until he proves he can stay on the court and not get in trouble. Evans is a SG by 2013.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Will be interesting to see what impact Thibs has on DRose.
Could change/grow his game.
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Eh.
I just don’t believe Rose has the potential to be a point guard. It’s a mental thing, not a skill thing.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
By the way that KnickerBlogger report on Duhon is f' depressing.
And Kelly Dwyer doesn’t seem thrilled, even if he tries to be diplomatic about it. Hope Duhon will be better fit in Orlando.
Could Matt be back for 2,4mil ?
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It all depends whether he wants a short term championship or a long term team.
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He never was the long term guy so I guess there is hope for those who'd like him to stay.
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Yea...he said on his Twitter account yesterday that the Magic hadn't even reached out to him.
It sucks…but I guess that’s the way it’s gonna be.
My only minus point about the Magic is losing Barnes
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by Wasabi Steak on Jul 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Barnes brings toughness
But his defense is overrated. See Eddy’s evaluation on magicbasketball.net
Yup
I agree, Barnes got killed by Paul Pierce in the ECF…given barnes limited offense, hes isnt worth signing for the money he is asking
Barnes was limited by his back in the ECF.
Don’t judge him too harshly for that. I think if he had been healthy, it would have made a huge difference.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
Some Point Guards can thrive in SVG's system
Jason Williams wasnt that bad and Rafer Alston succeeded here as well.
I have to take Stan’s system into account.
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by Wasabi Steak on Jul 7, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
OT: I'm super worried
The stars are starting to align for the Heat. They look like they could become the new Evil Empire w/ Wade, Bosh, and LBJ…
You have to think that LBJ now knows that Bos, Orl, Mia, and Chi are all better than what they have in Cle. I’m not ruling out a move to NY or NJ but I’m praying he doesn’t land in Mia.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 7, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions
I want to put an end to this whole LeBron going anywhere but Cleveland talk, especiailly MIami. The guy is not holding a prime time press conference to fuck over the city of Cleveland. Do you guys comprehend how jacked up that would be and how horrible he would look…especially now that Wade is staying put. Yeah the Cavs haven’t gotten better but its about image, saving face, and money at the end of the day…not winning titles. Stern’s got the Lakers covered in that department…everybody else just fills seats during the regular season.
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The only way...
There is one way he could hold the special and still leave Cleveland. It would be a brilliant PR move too.
Make the 1 hour special about the difficulty of this desicion. Focus on the behind the scenes negotiating, the weight of the choices, his “inner turmoil”. Basically, spend the entire hour humanizing James and showing everyone how difficult it was to come to this choice – a choice other than his home.
Now…THAT special would make him apear a lot less like an egomanical jerk. It would certainly keep his rep in Cleveland in tact, allowing the fans to save face from being ditched by giving them a “I understand why he did it” out. It would make the press fawn like little schoolgirls about how “mature” he’s become, and how wrong they were when they made comments about it being about the money.
Now…that said, a special like that would probably be flat out bullshit on every level. But I said it would be a brilliant PR move, not an honest one.
Either way, that’s the only way I see the special being able to end with James leaving. Any other way, and he’s going to look like the biggest asshole on the planet. I’m hoping he goes to NY (I like the Bulls too much to see his ego take over Chicago) and I hope the hour special is nothing but highlight clips and interviews about how great he is. If that’s the case, the backlash will be hilarious.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Jul 7, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It would take time to prepare such a special. This thing looks like it was organized on the fly because James and Wade/Bosh were playing a game of chicken. We’ll see…but you’re right about how such a special would help him save some face. Though I doubt his rep in Cleveland will ever be “in tact,” as you point out, if he leaves…without or without the special the way you describe it.
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I really hope you are right
I really really do. But the more and more I think about it the less likely I feel he is going to stay in Cleveland. I live and work in Manhattan now so I’d like to see him as a Knick.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 7, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
If you’re gonna leave, you don’t do it that way. Its called tact. NBA players don’t have much of it, but LeBron is going to need to have some if he plans on becoming this global superstar. Remember just how painful the Shaq departure was…at least there it was a spur of the moment announcement…here it’s a calculated production of a press conference to screw Cleveland (if he is in fact leaving)…that’s just sick…especially considering it is his hometown.
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The press conference is not taking place in Cleveland and I know for a fact he's going to the Mets game tonight
For whatever that’s worth…
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 7, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh really…interesting….
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 7, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Just found this.
It is not yet known where James will make the announcement. On big occasions in the past, he has gone to his alma mater, St. Vincent-St. Mary High School. That’s where he said he was turning pro and where he accepted his first MVP trophy last year…In May, he accepted his second straight MVP at Rhodes Arena on the University of Akron’s campus.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5360533
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Hmmmm
I know he’s going to the Reds vs Mets game tonight though. ESPN confirmed it this morning on the radio.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 7, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A friend of a friend
says Jared Dudley was told by Stoudemire that James is going to the Knicks.
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 7, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN says that Lebron will do the press conference in Greenwich, Connecticut.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 7, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he will sign with the Hartford Concords
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Can't they already have him under contract.
Or maybe he has them under contract. Sometimes it is difficult to tell which way that goes.
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I would've rather we stayed away from Duhon & Watson
to make Barnes a top priority. If MP is the starting SF our team basketball IQ drops significantly, we lose some edge/toughness, we lose like 90% of our cutting plays and go from a top 5 rebounding SF (Per 36 minutes) to a bottom 5 rebounding SF (Per 36 minutes).
Duhon might be an upgrade from J. Will but if it comes at the expense of Matt Barnes we get worse as a team. We’d have statistically the worst rebounding PF in the NBA and one of the top 5 worst rebounding SF’s in the NBA… on our starting rotation playing 30+ minuntes per game. Does T-Mac or Mike Miller want to play for free?
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
But don't you think it was because of Barnes playing time
-That had something to do with Pietrius’s numbers?
At the beginning of the year Pietrus started, and he didn't play spectacularly.
Once Barnes was put in the starting role he got better, and Pietrus continued to struggle even with a reduced role.
Matt Barnes
Also let Paul Peirce shoot like 70% in the ECF against us…I don’t trust him come playoff time against a very good team like the Celtics or Cavs, or maybe Miami now depending on who else they sign
By the way kinda off topic but I wanted to get everyone's take:
How much do you think that the decision of these guys not going to Chicago has to do with Michael Jordan telling them not to?
They’re close to them, seek his advice and he must be talking to them about dealing with the ownership and maybe even psyching them out of going to fufill his legacy a little.
Bulls always seem to be on the verge of having a contender which just a superstar missing and they are never able to land them. In this off-season they were unquestionably the most contender ready team out of all the teams with cap space.
That team will never land a significant all-star cause of that I believe.
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No idea why they wouldn't have gone to Chicago. I thought at least some people would be heading there. Lebron still might go.
It will be pretty puzzling if no one of significance signs in Chi-town, because of the amount of talent they already have there.
I think Boozer ends up in Chi-town if the Jazz don't re-sign him.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 7, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Jazz aren't going to resign him. That is pretty much a foregone conclusion. Their ownership hates the luxury tax.
Even with Carlos Boozer, that obviously doesn’t impact Chicago’s chances of advancing in the Eastern Conference nearly as much as getting one of the big 3.
Obviously. It's just my prediction
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 7, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Boozer’s coming to Orlando! I wish.
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This.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 7, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
3.25 is not bad
And I’m glad we still have 2.4 left. Its a very good deal for Orlando and now its a matter of finding a starting SF.
Anyone think we can get Tayshaun Prince for Marcin Gortat?
Thanks Vince.
Prince is on the severe decline. I am sure Detroit would do that deal in a heartbeat.
We can package Gortat for a much better player than Prince.
No to Tayshaun at this point.
We do not need a player who could sit out the entire year due to back problems.
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If he stays healthy
he is a huge asset to a team. He can hit the 3, defend, and is a willing passer.
And he is on the last year of his contract. Players tend to play a bit better in a contract year.
If he doesn’t work out, then we would have about 30 mil coming off the books for the 11/12 season with Carter’s contract.
Thanks Vince.
That is very true.
However, I don’t see him being as productive with his back problems/injuries.
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and losing that 30 million we would still be close to the cap because of dwight + lewis's large contracts
Prince only shot 73 three pointers last season. And he has definitely lost a step since his back problems. He is not the defensive presence like he was a couple years ago.
He wouldn't need to be
With the Magic, because we’ve got a great team system.
I’m not really in favour of him either, but I think he’d be useful if overpaid.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 7, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He should just quit and retire
But seriously, he was injured for a lot of last season, and it’s hard to believe that didn’t influence his stats. Plus, I just like the guy a lot more than Prince.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 7, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
On what basis?
Prince is, at worst, an above average NBA player. His scoring has declined from his peak, but he’s still a solid playmaker who takes care of the ball. Obviously his body is letting go a little, but awful? Please.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 7, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
YEAA
I was thinking about doing that deal too! I like Prince, he provides great D, can shoot the 3, and is a proven winner. If we can’t get anyone else better, I think we should at least think about this deal. Detroit wants to get rid of him and start a new team
Makes sense right?
Even though Detroit drafted Monroe, they can start Gortat for a while until he gets comfortable. And they already drafted Daye and Jerebko to replace Prince.
Thanks Vince.
And the Magic play Orton for their backup C?
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"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
Maybe.
But imo, I’d choose Gortat as the backup center with Pietrus at the 3 before I’d take Bass at the backup center and Prince starting at the 3.
Just my pov.
Eddy, at magicbasketball.net did something on Bass at center not too long ago.
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"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
Salaries don't match in the first place.
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"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
We'd need to send Bass as well
Gortat’s contract is about $4m short of enough to get Prince straight up.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 7, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Mmmm
Prince’s contract makes it really hard to trade for him without shooting yourself in the foot, unless you just want the expiring monies. We’d basically be giving up our best two trade chips for a slightly above average starting SF, which would be…unwise.
We’d still need to find a 3rd PG, plus now a backup C, all for what’s left of our MLE, and our BAE. Not easy.
Better to trade Gortat for a starting SF on a similar salary and Bass for a backup C on a similar salary, then use the exceptions to get a third PG.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 7, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
how much is Brendan Haywood going for these days?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
I heard Gortat for Darko has been discussed
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 7, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't agree
with paying a backup center 7 million for 10 minutes a game. I just think that we can get most of Gortat’s production for way cheaper.
Back to the Prince/SF thing, what about Ryan Gomes? Smart player, plays well off the ball, and was just released from Portland. He was making about 4 mil last year and maybe he would be willing to take a bit of a paycut to play for a contender.
Thanks Vince.
Gortat?
He’s being paid like $5.5 million, and he’s been working on his shot so he can get more minutes at PF, which would be great.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 7, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Closer to $6.2 or 6.3M this season.
Can’t remember exact figure. Too lazy to go look.
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"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
Right
I was thinking last season’s numbers
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 7, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of contract
Will get at least MLE money from Dallas.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 7, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Our current team
can’t compete with this new Heat team. We need to make moves. Wade single handedly beats us every time. OTIS! Where you at?!
The heat are still w/out a PG and C.
Theoretically they could run two 4’s against us with Bosh guarding Dwight and Haslem on Rashard. Bosh going to Miami shouldn’t scare magic fans that much.
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 7, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
they drafted
a few solid players. One being a 7’0 big man from Texas. And believe me, more people are coming to Miami. This is just the beginning.
Both Wade and Bosh said they're flexible
and aren’t demanding max contracts so there is no defined “remaining cap space”
So Lebron coming to Miami is still a possibility but they can’t sign more then one player to 3-4 mil? Get with it.
I was saying that Bosh and Wade aren't going to take outrageously low contracts
The big “discount” they are going to give the Heat is probably somewhere around 13-14 million per season (16.6 is max). Which would give them maybe somewhere around 5 million more room than was previously though. Miami will still have the cap holds for the rest of the minimum required roster of 12, as they would still only have 4 players total under contract. (2nd round picks are non-guaranteed).
If each of them signs for 13 million, Miami will have used 26 + the 6 million that they currently have under the cap, and then the 8 cap holds which I think are slightly less than 1 million each that would be 40 million. Projected cap is close to 56 or 57 million I can’t recall the exact number.
If both players signed max deals they would have something close to 11 million left with which to divide between a couple solid mid level free agents and then finish the roster with minimum salary players.
Won't believe the discount contracts until I see them.
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"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
That's what I'm saying.
These guys value money a lot. It is hard to get people to walk away from millions of dollars, no matter how much they say they want to win.
Paul Pierce, Tom Brady
It does happen. Let’s not stereo-type all athletes.
Pierce gave up a guaranteed 21 million
when he could have been hurt during this season and never got another contract again. Now he has a 4 year 60 million dollar contract. 60 million is 39 million more than 21. Cha-Ching.
We'll know soon
what the actual cap with be. The 3 draft picks will be signed more then likely for the rookie minimum and I’d assume there are quite a few veterans who would love to join this situation for either the veteran minimum or close to it. Should be interesting.
JWill was vet min
But I said sustainable. He was good for half a season. The only contributions that matter to our organization are playoff contributions. His efficiency is the playoffs was almost negative.
Barnes was signed for 1.6 million portion of the MLE last year, and not the vet minimum.
I love this topic
We could go on for days. God, I wish something this exciting would happen involving our team. We have our Wade (D12). If only we could get him a Bosh.
But
They’ll also have around $12m in salary, assuming no James signing as well, which will let them package a guy like Ridnour and one of the solid, unspectacular centers around the two stars – plus sign some decent players as 6th, 7th and 8th men, before rounding out the roster with veterans and kids.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 7, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Until this season Orlando had won 8 straight games (two full seasons) worth of games against Miami.
We split the season series this year 2-2, both in games we could/should have won. They are not going to have any semblance of depth on their team at all. They have ~10 million in cap space left to sign 10 players.
I wasn't seriously saying the Heat beat us
but Wade made every game close with a abysmal cast.
Wade makes every game against everyone look abysmal
He’s just that good.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Beasley doesn't have everything together in his mind.
Remember that tweet pic he posted last summer where he had cocaine on the floor. I’d stay away from that poor soul.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
Are you kidding me?
The last thing we need is a small forward who might be a power forward who might be a post player who might be a shooter who might be able to rebound who might have defensive deficiencies
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 7, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
and who might have a cocaine problem...
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 7, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just waiting to see what happens next. I'm still holding out hope that Otis has something up his sleeve.
I can’t imagine that he believes that the same team that couldn’t make it through last year’s Eastern Conference Finals will somehow be able to make it through this year’s with an improved Conference.
Gotta love MagicMark, our resident "Magic Fan Police," ready to put all of us in our places when our comments don't meet his standards.
I bet you have notifications sent to your phone every time someone posts an “anti-MagicMark approved” comment. You need a hug man…LOL
Wow, things have been pretty personal around here today.
I blame LeBron.
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"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
I just hate it when people post things that are clearly reactionary and panic-induced.
I’m not mad or bitter or anything. Maybe slightly annoyed with that troll from earlier, but it’s not like I belittle any comments or the people who post them if they don’t agree with me.
Yeah, I understand that the tone of certain comments can be misconstrued when they're written.
But I didn’t intend for it to sound “panic-induced.” I like Otis as a general manager. And I truly believe he will stop short of nothing to make sure this team competes for a championship. But I think we need help at the wing positions in order to get through this “improved” Eastern Conference. An aging VC is on the decline, and Pietrus seems to play better off the bench. And I believe Lewis’ game suffers with Carter on the team. And we still don’t even have JJ under contract ( I don’t assume anything). I just don’t have much faith in a Carter/Pietrus combo at the wing position.
But your troll
was right Mr. Mark…
Whatcha going do when the Heat come for you???
by Metro Dade Vice on Jul 8, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
High and Mighty Mark,
This just in: you are not as smart as you think dill-wad
by Metro Dade Vice on Jul 8, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure his one-hour special tomorrow will cure all
I wonder if he and his clique will sing x-mas songs as well.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
Did you guy see the SVG interview with the Sentinel?
it was HILARIOUS
SVG seems to be the one guy who voices all of the thoughts from my head
I love that guy.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
OOH! OOH! I hope they do it by a fireplace and LeBron wears a Mr. Rogers sweater.
That would be my idea of KOOL!
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."; Carlos Boozer
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 7, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."; Carlos Boozer
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 7, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you implying that Mr. Rogers is controlling Lebron from beyond the grave, sir?
Mr. Rogers is dead, right? I don’t remember.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
Stop sweating me, MagicMark!
:oP
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
Here is my official source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Rogers
(March 20, 1928 – February 27, 2003)
Yeah, but wikipedia says Elvis is dead, too. smh
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"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
Honestly...MagicMark, I think you are a very intelligent basketball analyst and offer many insightful comments and useful stats.
But, sometimes, your comments come across as a little condescending. It just appears as if you relish the idea of putting someone in their place when their opinion differs from yours. I don’t post a lot of comments, but I read almost all of them. I hope its just my perception and I’m wrong. I don’t have anything against you man. We are all rooting for the same team. I’m a cool guy and easy to get along with. I offer you a “cyber” handshake…
I don't mean to sound condescending.
I just can get annoyed when people don’t offer anything other than opinions. Obviously I believe people should be entitled to their opinions, but basketball is a game of facts. There are many unrealistic expectations thrown around by a lot of people throughout the off season. A lot of people don’t understand the business side of basketball, and simply rate the performance of their GM (in our case Otis) on perception rather than reality. GMs are literally handcuffed with their options. Otis cannot sign any big free agents this offseason, so people expect him to be able to trade any of our random contracts for superstars, and seem to think that if he can’t get any of these deals done, that we won’t have any chance at making it back to the ECF/Finals or whatever. I try to remain pretty optimistic about the players that we have.
Handshake accepted. =)
Yeah, oftentimes I feel a little inferior because I am not as well-versed in statistical analysis as some of you guys are.
That’s why I keep my comments to a minimum. I don’t wanna sound like an idiot here. But I agree there are a lot of “passionate” fans out there who have unrealistic expectations (trading for Lebron, signing Wade, etc…). I just chalk stuff like that up to ignorance. I’m sure they mean well. Often, when I speak to Magic fans in public I’ll hear some of the same suggestions of putting together some fantasy team as if the salary cap doesn’t exist. I’m not THAT delusional…LOL. I’m just curious as to what Otis is planning for the next couple of weeks/months. I think some of us are just being a little impatient. But we shall see.
People don't have to have "extensive" basketball knowledge for a forum..
That’s why it’s a forum.. Taking someone’s opinion to heart shows you have a problem .
BTW, I'm a MAGIC FAN...
and that should be good enough without all the “extensive” Basketball Knowledge.
So Otis needs to sign effective "small" free agents...
In the stead of Powers, J Will was an outright stupid loss. Thanks Otis!
by Metro Dade Vice on Jul 8, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Dang! This place is a freaking circus today!
What the hell is wrong with all of you? You’re all turning on each other and it’s sad. You all seem like you’re out for blood today. Gone are the fun days where we all joke around on the threads. We can’t let one troll divide us! Can’t we all just get along?!
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
Shut up!
jk….both times.
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"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
Mr. Rogers is full of love!
or worms, or something…
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 7, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Collateral damage from the troll-slaying
Honor is no substitute for victory.
What about Travis Oultaw seems like would be a good fit?
Also think we should of tried to bring R Alston back but probably not gonna happen after signing Duhon.
Outlaw will probably command more than we have left
based on the limited SF crop this summer. But there is a lot I like about his game and I think SVG would be good for him.
No, imo, on Rafer.
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"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
I love Outlaw's game for the Magic
but he will be too expensive. He made $4 million last year and is looking for more.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 7, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Read BEFORE hitting “reply,” yahoo.
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"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
Boozer to Bulls.
Fak.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
That's fine, they still don't have anyone to defend Dwight.
He eats up Noah just as bad as he does Horford.
Tom Thibedeou wrote the Superman Rules.
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
Noah is a good defender, but lacks the size that Perkins has.
Dwight is only bothered by defenders with size.
Okay with Boozer in Chicago, now I think they're a problem
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
until D Rose gets cute and tries to drive on Dwight
which leads to him in pain on the floor
the two times it happened last year I was surprised Rose got up.
both were legit shot blocking attempts by Dwight and shows how he changes the other teams mentality when thinking about attacking the rim.
well this to
but Rose certainly does go in there with reckless abandon. pretty similar to how Mickael Pietrus operates. 2 speeds – Full and Stop.
Why?
They still don’t have a backcourt.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
If they played him at SG, maybe.
He can’t run an offense — not enough court vision. He just doesn’t have the instincts to be an effective PG in this league. And he’s a defensive liability. His only plus skill is driving the lane. He’s basically Steve Francis without an outside shot… possibly the most overrated player in the NBA.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
I don't believe point guards develop like that.
There are a lot of skills you can develop. Defense, sure. Handling, sure. Even an outside shot. But the ability to orchestrate an NBA offense is essentially innate.
I mean, heck, I’d even say you can improve your passing. But I’m not talking about passing in a physical sense. I’m talking about the ability to sense where everyone on the court is, anticipate the play, and get the rest of the team on board with what you’re doing. And that is a thing you either have or you don’t. It’s mental, not physical. And Rose doesn’t have it.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
I can just imagine
Someone saying that about Nelson two years into his career.
We’ll see what Rose can do now he’s got a coach who isn’t a gimboid.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 7, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so.
I think Rose is playing right up to his potential right now.
(But then again, I don’t think Del Negro was a problem for that team… I think he was unfairly criticized for the most part. Look at that team — they had Rose, Noah and Deng. That’s all. How’s that even a 30-win team, let alone a 40-win team?)
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
It's unfortunate Del Negro is gone
because he’ll have to learn a new system but I’d assume he’ll gain consistency in Thib’s new offense and with repetition he has no choice but to get better. Things like positional awareness will become second nature if he gets a few years of stability.
Cap is officially set at 58 million.
This raises the cap from last year by $300,000. Luxury tax level is 70.3 million, up from 69.9.
This is about 1 million higher than the estimated cap.
Source?
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 7, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
John Hollinger and Mark Stein said it was reported to ESPN.
(they reported via twitter)
Never mind, found it
That means the Magic have about $2.5 million left in the MLE.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 7, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
NBA release also
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/07/07/salary.cap/?ls=iref:nbahpt2
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 7, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
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