Orlando Magic Enter New Season with Their Most Potent Three-Point Attack Yet
The Orlando Magic have drawn attention for their three-point-oriented offense under head coach Stan Van Gundy since he took over in 2007, and for good reason. The Magic love the three-ball and have made it a staple of their offense, setting an NBA record for three-pointers made in a single season in their most recent campaign, while ranking third in three-point accuracy. The high-volume, high-percentage attack seems to work well. And it appears to have gotten more potent this offseason.
Orlando split its mid-level exception on point guard Chris Duhon and small forward Quentin Richardson, who will replace Jason Williams and Matt Barnes, respectively, in the coming seasons. In this way, the Magic have replaced two poor three-point shooters with two above-average ones. Prior to last season, Barnes shot 33.2% from beyond the arc in his career, while Williams connected on 32.5% of his triple tries. Their replacements are considerably more accurate, and give the Magic two rotation players at four positions who have shot between 35.9% and 39.2% for their careers, which we can illustrate in this way:
| 2010/2011 Orlando Magic Rotation | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Starters | ||||
| PG | SG | SF | PF | C |
| Jameer Nelson 38.7% 3FGs | Vince Carter 37.5% 3FGs | Quentin Richardson 35.9% 3FGs | Rashard Lewis 39.2% 3FGs | Dwight Howard 5.3% 3FGs |
| Reserves | ||||
| Chris Duhon 36.2% 3FGs | J.J. Redick 39.2% 3FGs | Mickael Pietrus 35.9% 3FGs | Ryan Anderson 36.8% 3FGs | Marcin Gortat 25.0% 3FGs |
| Deep Bench | ||||
| Brandon Bass 0.0% 3FGs | Daniel Orton Rookie | |||
| Positional Total | ||||
| 37.3% 3FGs | 37.8% 3FGs | 35.9% 3FGs | 38.9% 3FGs | 8.7% 3FGs |
The Magic are now better equipped to spread the floor for Dwight Howard. About the only man you'd feel OK doubling off of is Duhon, whose inaccuracy on two-pointers hurts his overall reputation as a shooter, but whose three-point marksmanship is better than league average, which was 35.5% last year. Pietrus and Richardson, the other weak links, shot better than their career averages last year, with Richardson setting a career-high at 39.7% accuracy from long distance.
If you've got the personnel to play Howard straight-up, count yourself lucky. If not? Good luck finding a defensive scheme that can eliminate him while still putting pressure on the Magic's newfound stable of three-point bombers.
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Jan 5, 2007
Against Charlotte.
We won by 32 points.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 27, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
It was right before halftime, correct?
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by magic fanatic on Jul 27, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, off a crosscourt inbounds pass from Grant Hill
by VinnieDaSquid on Jul 27, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
either way, great moment for some odd reason
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by magic fanatic on Jul 27, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The elation on Dwight's face, of course
Also JJ Redick putting his hand up before it went in because he knew… Oh yeah, that’s going in.
Do you remember vs. the Cavs two years ago when Gortat made a 3?
Magic fan since 99-00
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That might have been the most enjoyable blowout in recent Magic history. Gortat's three was the cherry on top.
Yeah, I was at that game, and I was enjoying myself the whole time.
I went nuts when Gortat hit that 3.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
I watch that game whenever I got them basketball blues. Gortat's 3 was amazing and in great timing.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
You're getting me pumped for the new season Ben
I like our odds against Miami. They gotta find someone to go 1-on-1 with Dwight. It was the biggest reason we got beat last year. I don’t think there is anyone outside of Perkins who can guard him solo at this point. Al Jefferson has the body but he’s not skilled enough. Is there anyone else at this point?
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I don't believe so....
However, Jermaine O’neal has been known to give dwight some headaches.
by LastActionZero on Jul 27, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Dwight's kryptonite has been Yao
but probably not now with his health. Perkins and Shaq are the only ones who can guard Dwight straight up and neither one of them take him out of the game like Yao does. Even the version of Yao we’re about to see will still cause Dwight problems just because he’s a giant and Dwight doesn’t have shooting range but I don’t think he’ll lockdown Dwight like he used to.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Your right...
But it has been so long since we have seen a 100% Yao. I think Dwight should be able to hold his own, seeing as he was much quicker than Yao before but could never finish (offensive game had not developed the way it has over the last two seasons). I will say this though, if Yao comes back healthy and makes it through the whole season, the Rockets will be my pick for a potential Laker upset. The Thunder are my future west coast dynasty pick, but the Rockets would give the Lakers hell.
by LastActionZero on Jul 27, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, Yao does him dirty on a regular basis. I didn’t really think about him because of his injury. I honestly don’t think he’ll ever play in the league again. If he does he’ll be a shell of his former self.
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by magic fanatic on Jul 27, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yao’s surgury was small bones of the foot. Small bones carrying big weights sometimes never recover. Ankles are huge even compared to the bones in Yao’s feet.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 28, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It was the same surgery Ilgauskas had
Although much later in his career for Yao.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 29, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Yao was always too good to be true
Guys his size aren’t supposed to be as athletic as he is. He’s a freak of nature in every sense of the word. It makes a lot of sense that his body couldn’t handled his natural gifts.
When he was 100% he was arguably the most effective player in the league. It seemed like there were no major weaknesses in his game. Unfortunately we only got to see that in spurts. Anyway, that’s my take on Yao.
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by magic fanatic on Jul 28, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Dwight has improved against Perkins.
And about Miami…Anthony and Ilgauskus? That should be fun to watch. They’re going to have to switch with Bosh a few times. They might have to do the delayed double-teams like Charlotte did. Even then, I see Lewis and Howard having a good time at their expense on that one.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
i agree
I think an Orlando/Miami series will be a lot of fun. They’ll be times when Orlando can’t be stopped and vice versa. Regardless of Orlando’s defense I think it would be a high scoring affair.
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by magic fanatic on Jul 27, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
LBJ has been a good help defender
..but if dwight improves his passing, we’ll be OK
Is anybody else concerned about our lack of reliable 3 point shooting at the center spot?
Dwight’s pathetic 5.3% and Gortat’s miserable 25% is going to leave us vulnerable come playoff time.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
I know...gosh.
We need to get a reliable C that can shoot 3-pointers. We will forever fail to get a ring without a center like that.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
Pick up Channing Frye in December, when he’s no longer unable to be traded. He’s BYC, so Bass + cash for Frye + Clark would work. Then we trade Howard and Nelson for Deron Williams and Mehmet Okur.
And yes, I’m joking. That would be horrible.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Horribly awesome, you mean
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
by funny80sguy on Jul 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
....
Howard and Nelson for Williams and Okur? No thanks. Not in a million jillion years.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
No, the ones we really rely on may leave us vulnerable...
Here’s hoping that’s not the case this time around..
Make or break us
For the past 4 seasons we have used this non-traditional offense and it has been somewhat successful, but if we go through another season where it doesnt work, at what point do we decide to make a change….Dwights contract is up in a few years unless the Magic want their own version of “The Decision” this had BETTER work…
I just don't want to go from a GREAT Season, only to Crash and Burn in the Playoffs..
When we fail in the Playoffs, we fail HARD. Lets see if the “third times the charm” really works in our favor this time..
somewhat succesful?
We made the finals only to show our inexperience vs LA than we go into last season with insane offensive numbers, #1 pt differential in the NBA, top 3 rated offense effeciency, and get the worst possible matchup in ECFs(a BOS team playing out of their minds). Point is what other team out there has been able to stop us? Father time will be calling on BOS and Jermain Oneal is not an improvement for them vs ORL. We are fine we just need a more consistent offensive Dwight and I don’t feel BOS will be able to do that again after another grinding season “if” we meet in the playoffs.
by O-Town MagiCane on Jul 27, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This is our year.
We all know what we can do as a team, and since we added Q.Rich, and Duhon we only got better. they fit our system better than Barnes, and Williams. Duhon with the pick & roll offense and hard nose defense, Q.Rich with his lethal three point shooting, slashing to the rim, and defense. We got younger and better.
I'm Mr.Magic
Winning a championship is the goal
Granted that a more potent 3-point shooting could win us more games, and even blow some teams out of the water who don’t much up well with us in that regard (Case in point in play-offs: ATL even CHA to some extent). However, as Ben mentioned, this does not work well with teams which can defend our frontline straight up. To win the championship we may possibly have to go through one or two of these type of teams; BOS and LAL. We would be lucky if these two teams are eliminated before we face them in the play-offs or the finals.
This is a mirage which did not lead us to the stated objective for the last two years, and yet we are poised to test it once again beleiving that we got better at shooting 3-pointers. The problem is that this is probably the last year that we could have this nucleous in place, and if we fail agian, we probably are not going to reatin Vince for the year after. That is why I cannot agree with testing the tested. once again.
What is the alternative? Shrinking the floor to make Howard easier to cover, while taking fewer three-pointers?
A good PF alongside Dwight would not shrink the floor but only shrinks the range
A PF with driving skill would have to be defended inside, which creates the same effect for Dwight to operate as when Rashard pulls the opposing team’s PF outside. When Rashard operates on the parameter, the poorly conditioned PFs like Glen Davis and Rasheed Wallace have the option to collapse in on Dwight, and that makes it more difficult for Dwight to operate. Now if Rashard makes his 3-pointers at the clip expected, we will be fine, but when he doesn’t we don’t have a plan B to fall on. Additionally, a good PF could create extra opportunities for offensive rebounding – and put ins on misses – which Dwight is so good at. My point is that we are not going to become less efficient offensively.
As far as on the defensive end, Rashard was not able to defend mobile and multi-skilled PFs inside (case in point: Gasol and Odom). If we lose the battle on the defensive side consistently, it would reduce our chances to remain competitive unless we score consistently on the offensive end to keep pace.
by Matt1325 on Jul 27, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Magic would be worse defensively with a traditional PF. Punting offensive rebounds made the Magic the best transition defensive team in the league last year.
I agree with the point made. But maybe we are punting offensive rebounds because we don't have any big man but Dwight to defend the basket. If we do we could mix the options so that we would be less predictable.
Crazy talk.
It is definitely strategic! How do you explain being 1st in defensive rebounding if we are such a poor rebounding team?
1st in defensive rebounding
1st in opponent eFG%
2nd in opponent fast break points (1st was Boston who was LAST in Off Rebounding)
And, btw, 1st in opponents points in the paint.
The INTERIOR play is not the problem for the Magic. Don’t need a “traditional” PF. Lewis & Howard are getting it done (helped that Barnes rebounds very well for a SF).
[source: http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stats/]
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crazy talk
back to you. If we were adequate why did we fail two years n a row? What guaranty is there that we are not going to fail again we we face those known teams, not to forget other upcoming teams? Wasn’t CHA fiercely attacking us inside?
By the way, those unmbers are not relevant. I want to see Play-offs numbers, especially against BOS.
there is not guarantee that Miami will succeed. That's why they play the regular season.
Charlotte was not attacking any thing except Dwight Howard and they lost in 4 straight games by an average of 9 points a game. Charlotte was not a problem
If you want to see numbers go to http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2010_games.html
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 28, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This relates to both NC Magic Fan and MagicMark
There is no way to infer from regular season numbers to play-offs although you have larger sample sizes, simply becuase variables change drastically due to the level of competition, and that affects the validity of the research. For the same token regular season’s numbers cannot work as baselines for play-offs, neither. Yes the numbers at play-offs are unreliable due to sample size, and that is why you have to infer qualitatively from the numbers, and rely on your guts for interpreting them.
We can debate this for eternity, but the fact is that:
1 – Far more teams won championships with traditional line-ups – with all the varieties thereof – than the 4-1 system.
2 – Even if we accept all those examples dug out as teams who won championships in a 4-1 system (which amounts to what? 3 maybe), the undeniable fact is that ours failed. While we cannot prove or disprove the efficiency of our system with any statistical certainty – due to sample size – we know that it has historically failed for us, and that from a qualitative standpoint is a classic example of a “flaw”.
Matt, they just re-upped Smith and Van Gundy through 2013. They are the ones who designed and implemented the 4-out-one-in strategy.
It appears the owners are very happy with the offense and defensive. No matter how much you rail against the wind, this is what Magic fans are going to see for at least two more years. So go ahead and get it out of your system, it is not going to change.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 29, 2010 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny that I heard the same about getting rid of Brian Hill. Had we listened, we might still have Hill at the helm.
What this approach lacks is an understanding of the power of individuals which could start with one person and – with appropriate leadership – expand into masses.
Thank you for the advice. I will take it under consideration. My intention from the last post,however, was to point out the dangers of interpreting the numbers the wrong way. Despite the old adage of “the numbers don’t lie”, they do when interpreted wrong either deliberately or by mistake. Statisticians have abused numbers for ages to gain personal advantages. Majority of the posters on this blog have the analytical skills to make qualitative assessments. Complicated quantitative assessments are different in nature, and should be touched with care.
I make million dollar decisions based on statistical analysis. I do have a minor level of competence in the area.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
while regular season numbers obviously have no bearing on how you play in the post-season (or even series to series in the playoffs)
they are a good baseline from what you can expect at any given point during a series. series are skewed by sample size, and boston vastly outperformed their regular season in just about every category throughout their entire post-season.
A PF with driving skill is as rare as a stretch 4
There’s Bosh, Dirk, Odom & Pau.
We don’t want our PF trying to get offensive boards. If we had another good big man, in theory we could let Dwight try for more offensive rebounds so that could potentially be a plus but Dwight’s transition D is so important to the team I don’t know that it would be worth it. Not many people can guard Pau & Odom. Boozer can’t guard either and he struggles to score on them. It’s going to be BOS, MIA & LA that really test Rashard. He’s a decent-good matchup for almost any other NBA team and the ones where he’s overmatched we’re a better team than all except BOS, MIA & LA but they’re all beatable.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
That's like saying
We are better than 28 teams but worse than 3 with this system…wait a second, that’s not “like” saying it, it IS saying it. And what’s the point of being better than the bottom 28 when you’re not better than the top3? You’ll still lose in the end to the top 3. The point is to be better than the top 3 so you’ll win the championship.
It’s not like you’re going to be facing the bottom 28 in the ECF and NBA finals.
We're not 3rd.
See above regarding rankings.
http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2010/7/27/1589818/orlando-magic-enter-new-season#43103058
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 28, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
We can't be better than 28 teams and worse than 3 when there's only 30 teams in the NBA
Do you understand the concept of “personnel” and how it pertains to this discussion? What if Dirk was the Magic’s PF, Boozer was LA’s and Amare was Boston’s? Personnel dictates the strength of the system, I’d figure with you being an LA fan you’d understand this as much as anyone. Going from a dynasty to the WC Semi’s, to the Finals and then to a 34-48 team who missed the playoffs and then got bounced back-to-back the following 2 seasons in the first round by the Suns. Now 2 titles in 3 Finals appearances the past 3 seasons. Seriously…
It would make no sense for the Magic to design specifically around defeating the likes of Bos, Mia & LA. I recall the Cavs bringing in personnel to specifically counter ORL last season and getting bounced in the second round and losing their super star. I think it’s rather obvious the goal is to put the best lineup out there and be the most complete team they can possibly be.
The fact that Gortat, RA & Bass all see back up PF minutes against BOS & LA shows the matchup issue but again, it would be absolutely moronic to make moves specifically designed to counter Bos & LA personnel at PF (hence the desire for CP3 or an elite SF) because no move the Magic make will net them a better PF than Rashard, let alone KG or Gasol so any move that brings in a traditional PF or Gortat makes the Magic undeniably worse, especially against the other 28 teams not named Bos & LA. As it stands, the gap between LA, Boston, Miami and Orlando is narrow.
I’m sure you remember the 08-09 Finals as a one-sided-beating but contrary to popular belief, the Magic were a missed layup, a pair of Dwight FT’s and Hedo going 1-4 from the FT line in the 4th quarter away from a commanding 3-1 lead with the next game being in Orlando.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Hey, its just another guy that disregards logic and statistics. Not a troll, just a nuisance.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 28, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
We can debate the system but not the personnel
We have the best Center, the best shooting PF & the other 3 starters all shoot a high %. If we replaced Rashard with Pau, KG or Duncan we’d be the team to beat but if we replaced Rashard with Drik we’d also be the team to beat. We don’t have any of those 4 guys, we have Rashard and he’s a legit #2 guy one almost any team. At $22m per season he’ll be here for the remainder of his contract so you have to accept it. We certainly can’t bench a legit #2 guy and replace him with traditional PF because whoever we get won’t be as good as the elite traditional PF’s and he won’t be as good as Rashard nor would he fit our supporting cast of players as well.
The only thing we could do is move Rashard to the 3 but as Ben & Eddy have pointed out he’s not quick enough to guard the faster SF’s. Look who we’ll meet in the postseason. LeBron, Pierce & if we’re lucky enough, Kobe. We can post Rashard at the 3 against Pierce for short stretches but we can’t post him up against Lebron or Kobe. If something happens to LA then we get either Durant or ‘Melo so again it won’t work.
Our best chance this season is exactly how they’ve set it up. Kept the core, matched J.J., upgraded back up PG and what could prove to be a significant upgrade at SF (it may not show until the post season when BOS, MIA or LA get punished for trying to leave a man open). If CP3 comes then we look and see whats left of our roster but at this point we’re a better team than we were last season. We’re in a worse position than last season because of the Miami trio but that was out of our control. I like our team quite a bit.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
by Warlando on Jul 27, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A couple of issues to note
1 – We need to first admit to the flaw of the current system in terms of attaining the stated goal (championship), or else we could not realistically look around for options. I have not looked at the details, but on the paper, we had Amar’e and Boozer available this summer.
2 – Rashard was an all-star, and was signed, as a SF. I am not sure, but I don’t think that he ever played at PF position in Seatle. He was moved to PF by necessity in Orlando making room for Hedo to play at SF. So like everything in life, we have to weigh the trade-offs.
How could you accurately deem the current system flawed?
We went to the Finals and then to the ECF with that very system and with 2 completely different groups of players. Only one team has done better than us the past 2 seasons and that’s the Lakers because of the tainted Gasol trade. Boston is the next closest with a Finals appearance and a second round exit. If we had Dirk instead of Rashard would you feel different about the stretch 4 position?
You’re right that Rashard was signed as an SF but never played SF in Orlando. SVG said something about wishing he’d played him more at SF when he first arrived but I think he sees enough in practive to know he’d hurt the team if he played exclusively at SF at this point in his career.
I think there’s zero chance we go traditional while Rashard is still under contract. When a guy is that polished an offensive player you have to find a spot for him and SVG determined that they’d be able to best hide Rashard’s lack of defense at PF where he could use his quickness to make them work on defense and he’d have help in the middle from Dwight. I may not trust every move Otis makes but I don’t question SVG because he knows his team and players much better than any of us. He probably knows the players better than they know themselves.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
?
1. The current system can win a championship, examples of teams using similar strategy have been posted before. You need to do a little back reading.
2. Hedo was in Orlando for 3 years before Rashard (who was the most sought after free agent in 2007) was signed. There was never any question he was going to play the 4. The Magic gave up Darko because he was not worth the money once Lewis was signed. Yes he played SF in Seattle, but not in Orlando.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 27, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I am surprised with this dogmatic approach. The guy was an all-star at SF position, and yet not good enough to play that position in Orlando.
And no; this system cannot win championship because we cannot rely on wishful thinking of BOS and Lakers to be eliminated before they get to play us. The problem is that whenever we play a good enough defensive team with reasonable offensive skills (case in point: CHA), Dwight gets in foul trouble because he is the one and only player anchoring the defense. Losing Darko was Otis Smith’s biggest gaffe ever. The guy had finally found a home in Orlando – after the abuse in DET – and could have been nurtured into a good complementary player for Dwight (soft shooting touch and shot blocking abilities), and Smith was not willing to offer him around 6.5 mil. Yes I know the history of Darko after Orlando – and what a shameful waste – all thanks to crushing humiliation by Smith on a kid which needed some support to mature into a player of high caliber. I remember how people were salivating on the vision of Darko and Dwight playing together, which worked so well at the far end of that season under a clueless coach.
he plays well when he is playing for a contract
he will likely go back to being terrible this season
I would rather break a percentage record than a 3s made record.
Let’s go for that one this season!
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
excellent non sequitor, but can he hit 3’s?
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 27, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Dirk
Dirk wouldve been perfect for this team, his long body frame and his ability to stretch the floor. But we are great no mater what happens between now and the beginning of the season.
I'm Mr.Magic
Dirk was never leaving Dallas
As has been said ad nauseam, his declining the option was only to get a contract to take him to retirement.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
3pt shooters are all well and good
against teams that have to double-team dwight. another playmaker is what the magic needed to improve. either that, or jameer nelson needs to be more aggressive. his performance in the ECFs was shameful.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
17.0 pts, 4.8 rebounds and 2.8 assists is shameful?
Jameer, Dwight, J.J., and occasionally Vince were the only players giving us anything on offense during that series. If we didn’t have Jameer, we would’ve been swept.
I agree
Jameer was our second best player in the post season with J.J. being our third best. It was still anyones up until that Boston series because MP was shooting like 85% from 3-point (and under 60% from the FT line) and Rashard was shooting like 69% TS.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
when jameer attacked, the magic won.
when he wouldn’t attack, they lost. i understand that boston’s very good at what they do. still, i thought he had his chances and did not make the most of his opportunities.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
I think
it would be wise to use the 4-1 strategy when playing teams with a weak frontcourt. But when we play teams like the Lakers or Boston we should move to a more traditional format. Dwight can’t defend the paint and get rebounds all by himself against those teams. He needs help (so that means starting Bass, Gortat, or Anderson) and moving Rashard to the 3.
But then again, our success hinges on whether or not Dwight can take it to the next level
I know we have had success
but its hard to win a ring by “living and dying” by the 3 point line…and lets be honest, the first round of the ECF is a joke. It’s basically a bye week for the top teams..so making it to the 2nd round should be a gimmie for teams like Orlando
Most fans of the magic would realize by now that we don't "live and die by the three".
It is just a garbage media term that is used to categorize our team because we are small market. The reason Orlando has been so good the last couple seasons is because we have been near or at the top of every defensive category in the league.
That's true
but we still shoot too many jumpers/3s…we dont have a slasher that can get fouled and go to the line..vc just drives and does his weird layup shot that fails…pietrus looks like he will lose the ball or fall every time he drives, and Lewis just doesnt have any swag. He barely drives at all.
Unfortunately
Gortat, Bass and Anderson don’t give us the type of matchups that would work gainst those teams. If we play Gortat we make it more difficult for KG, Pau & Odom to score but it becomes much more difficult for us to score. With Bass his defense will kill us and if Boozer gets shutdown by Pau/KG imagine what they’ll do to Bass. Maybe RA but he’s so raw right now and his lack of vertical could hurt against phenomenal rebounders like Pau, Odom & KG. I just think when you weigh all of our options at PF Rashard is the only one without glaring weaknesses. I’f we can get Shaq for $1.6m he would probably be our best back up PF option against those 2 teams because he can impact the game on both ends.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
To clarify
The only thing RA currently does better than Rashard is rebound but against such monsters as Gasol & Odom plus RA having a low vertical, I don’t know that we would yield anything significant. If we win the title next season it will have very little to do with the back up PF spot.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 27, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Dwight made a good 3 in the All-Star game
He should try more often. I remember seeing him take some jumpers in a game vs the Lakers last year. I want more of it.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 27, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions
I agree to a point
Shaq never did. But he has twice the ass Dwight has. I like the 10-12 foot Duncanesque bank shot he took a few times last season. Just enough to make guys like Perkins move their feet and pull them a way from the basket a little.
Yeah, I don't think pulling him away from the basket is the solution. Adding more moves/counters/fakes to his post arsenal will help him more than a jump shot.
yeah
and he is a bit uncomfortable with the idea of dropping his high fg percentage trying those unnecessary Js
Q: Jj redick, what does it mean that u lead the team in scoring in the 4th quarter? JJ's answer: "we blow out a lot of teams"
just to clarify
Tim Duncan is a PF – he’s always sharing the paint with another big guy. So he has the need to stretch out his range = hence the bank shot. Dwight doesn’t really have a need.
When push comes to shove i.e. the playoffs, Dwight will go back to what he does best, posting up and dunking.
I think he'll shift back to PF this season
If Splitter ends up being the guy they think he is.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 28, 2010 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Like I said I agree to a point that he doesnt NEED a jumper. BUT, how many times is he standing alone 12 feet out? Perkins has some success because he has the girth to keep Dwight from getting point blank. Make him waddle out to cover Dwight. Its not pulling him away if hes pushed or prevented from getting close. As any of you that have ever played organized basketball or a even a pickup game can attest, shooting with no one guarding you is a hell of alot easier. Even for a guy like Dwight. FT percentage is about the same as FG percentage.

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