What Chris Paul's Meeting with New Orleans Hornets Management Means for the Orlando Magic
Chris Paul Watch continues today with reaction from the All-Star point guard's meeting with New Orleans Hornets management. Paul, whose representatives are currently seeking a trade, and who reportedly listed the Orlando Magic at the top of his list of desired destinations, sat down with Hornets head coach Monty Williams, GM Dell Demps, and President Hugh Weber. Afterward, he released this statement via the Hornets:
"The meeting went well. It was great to get an opportunity to sit down with Coach Williams, President Weber and our new General Manager Dell Demps. I expressed my desire to win and I like what they said about the direction that they want to take the team. I have been a Hornet my entire career and I hope to represent the city of New Orleans and state of Louisiana for many years to come."
ESPN's Marc Stein came away saying "[the] Hornets will be encouraged by day's events," but others in the media don't quite share his optimism. NetsDaily points out that the last sentence of the statement doesn't mean anything concrete.
Adrian Wojnarowski, meanwhile, said the following in a string of Twitter messages:
I suppose only Chris Paul and his inner circle know for sure what he's really up to. The Hornets' intentions are much clearer: to keep Paul at nearly any cost; they still won't go over the luxury tax to bring top-grade talent aboard. But Chris Mannix consulted several GMs who made "strong" pushes for Paul, and said "[the] Hornets [are] not at all interested [in trading him]."
As for the Magic? The meeting's outcome doesn't figure to affect their interest in him one way or another. If they pry him from New Orleans, fantastic. If not, they still have one of the league's best teams, from top to bottom, along with an elite coach and an ownership group willing to spend. There are worse predicaments.
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"There are worse predicaments."
Yep.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 26, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
BQR doesn't want chris paul...always discouraging any excitement regarding this subject
thanks ben for ruining the fun AGAIN lol…
imho what was really said was
hornets: by publically calling for a trade, you’re weakening our bargaining position.
paul: so, the likelihood of being traded increases if i pretend as if things are a-ok?
hornets: ya.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
i strongly agree with this.
and, did i read we’re supposed to believe the OPPOSITE of what otis says? why would it be any true of demps or another gm!?
CP3 probably “likes the direction” NO is headed b/c it points straight out of town!
CP3: “Oh, so you aren’t willing to use the luxury tax? Love it! That clears everything up for me.”
CP3 tweets: “The meeting was very positive. I’m excited about our future plans…”
by thejugs on Jul 26, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The best thing I've taken from this is that we are on CP3's radar screen.
Hopefully we can scoop him up in free agency, which would be much better than having to do it through trade and take on those crappy contracts. Of course, by that point the Heat might be the most ridiculously dominant team ever and it won’t matter what we do.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Doubt the Magic have space to sign him, but as the Heat just proved, you can clear salary if you're creative enough.
New CBA will affect things, too.
The new CBA is probably going to be more owner-friendly too right?
I think we could definitely clear enough salary for Paul. But would there be enough team left afterwards to make a serious run? That’s the real question I suppose.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
If This Season Doesnt Work Out
Bring back John Gabriel. He could pull 50 trades in a month and clear enough room to get anyone…..just kidding. Kinda of, the man was the master of the cap.
Chemistry issues
Ok so NOLA isn’t gonna fold to his initial requests, but what now, how can your point guard quietly request a trade, not get one, and then go on to lead your team in the coming season. Has to cause problems in the locker room, if not now then definitely after they get beat by 30 by Orlando.
Well
I like the team but honestly believe this team has zero chance against the Heat. Seriously if you take your hatred out or whatever, I mean LeBron and Dwade on the same team!! With a Top 5 PF. Amazing. This is the greatest coup in sports. Seriously.
They're definitely going to be awesome.
I know they’re going to iron out the kinks this year, but I would imagine that they’d have to be pretty creative in their offensive schemes. Using another superstar roster model like the early 2000s Lakers or the current Celtics gives me some questions though. Those teams had superstar players that were complimentary in many respects, but James and Wade aren’t necessarily complimentary players. Bosh should work out great, and he’s what I think really puts them over the top because he gives them a different look at the offensive end.
That being said, there is no way they don’t figure something out and make us all look like fools. It just might not be this year. *crosses fingers
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Carmelo would be the perfect fit for Dwight and the Magic
Unfortunately there is literally no way in high hell that you guys can get him through FA next year. If the Rashard thing never happened, then maybe you guys would be in a position to pounce on him next year. I actually think that Dwight+Melo is a much much more dominating duo than Paul+Dwight.
Regarding the heat, you guys are completely over-rating them. completely! They are a very unbalanced team to say the least. Their interior “presense” is Bosh? Bosh is going to slow down Pau/Bynum/Odom/Artest or Dwight/etc, or KG/Perkings/baby/oniel/etc.? Are you c-r-a-z-y?!
The Heat are the most overrated team i think in sports history. Because it is not about talent as much as it is about how the talent fits together. There is only 1 ball, and the Heat’s major unbalanced strength is wade/lebron who are almost the exact same player. That’s redundancy at its worst. It’s like having 2 exact same Ferraris in your garage. If you can’t sell them, then what’s really the point? You can only drive 1 at a time. It is a waste. This is the same thing with Lebron/Wade, it is a waste.
The sum is less than the individual parts which is a recipe for disaster. I expect the Heat to lose to the Magic or the Celtics and perhaps even the Bulls in the EAst, not to mention the Lakers in the west. This team has a lot of work ahead of it.
Joel Anthony and Udonis Haslem can do the "dirty work" things on D that Bosh can't. And Bosh is one of the league's best low-post scorers. And he can step out and hit the J.
Haslem and Joel?
It’s not so much about dirty work as it is about other things. Yes, you can always get scrubs to do the “dirty work” but the Heat are simply not talented in a diverse set of areas. Take the Lakers last year. Kobe and Pau provided the offensive skill set, but Bynum was also there. On defense, you had Artest and Odom as the talented leaders along with Bynum in the middle altering a host of shots. There aren’t just 2 things in basktball, scoring and dirty work. You also need to have talent in other areas. The Heat have a lot of talent in one place, Wade/Lebron, they have a low post player in Bosh that can score and rebound, but where is the talent coming on defense? They have total scrubs everywhere else. Little to no basketball ability outside of the big 3 + 1 (miller).
If you were going to build a team, this is not how you should go about it. THey remind me of the 2004 Olympic team or the 2006 world championship team. Those teams had 10 of the best players on any team on their team, and yet they still lost. I believe Bosh, Lebron and Wade were all on those teams as well.
Also, another mistake i think you’re making is overestimating the difference between elite level talent and average level talent. Lebron may be the best SF in the world, but the difference between him and an average SF is no where near the point everyone is thinking.
All 3 of them are great defenders as well.
by David Polega on Jul 26, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
lebron and wade are going to be an awesome duo period. ps two ferraris is always better than one ask anyone. also i agree imo melo would be better for our team but that is not going to happen either.
anyone ever have one of those nightmares
where you keep having the same conversation over and over and OVER AND OVER AGAIN???
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 26, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
The question I have as a Magic fan is....
What do I have to be excited about this year (aside from the new arena), if our mentality is “Championship or bust?” We’re basically returning the same roster (Minus Barnes, J-Will, AJ, Foyle), along with Duhon and Q-Rich. The chances of us winning a title this year got slimmer over the summer. People can say what they want. But if the “Superteam” plays up to their full potential, they’re winning the title. And it’s not even just about Miami. Even if we were to beat Miami, I don’t think we would beat L.A. in a 7 game series. And we still haven’t proven we can get by Boston in a 7 game series when they’re at full strength. I knew the CP3 thing had little chance of happening, and it’s no one’s fault. But, in my opinion, that would’ve put us on the same level with Miami and L.A. What Otis does with the roster in the next year or 2 will be quite interesting. In a couple years if Dwight is still without a title, what’s to say he doesn’t go “take his talents” elsewhere in search of a ring. I hope I am wrong and that maybe just internal improvements put us over the top this year. I think Otis and SVG are doing the best job they can. I just fear we might become the Jazz and Knicks teams of the 90’s that always get close, but never make it over the top because of the “era” they happen to be in.
Then just be excited about the new arena, then.
Outside of Miami, the Amway Center is the best thing any NBA team is getting this year.
What do you have to be excited about?
Your team is awesome and they’re moving into a new arena. You could be a fan of the Nets, Knicks, Rockets, Grizzlies, Hornets, 76ers, Raptors, Cavs, T-Wolves, Pistons, Pacers, Warriors, Bobcats, Clippers, Wizards, or Kings.
I would also argue that we’re in a better place than the Bulls, Mavs, Spurs, Nuggets, Blazers, Thunder, Bucks, Jazz, Hawks, and Suns.
I’m sorry if that seemed like a rant. You bring up some interesting points and I’m not necessarily talking to you personally. I just feel like when I take the time to look at the NBA and realize where we are in relation to it that it makes me feel a lot more positive. I hate hyper-focusing on the 3 teams that are competitive with us, rather than focusing on our strengths and what we bring to the NBA.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
We are a championship level team...I wouldn't argue against that...
But so were the Jazz with Stockton and Malone. They just happened to be playing in the wrong era with the Bulls dynasty. I fear we may be in a similar position now with this “Superteam” and Kobe and L.A. It will still be a fun year with a new arena and a great team. I expect us to get 55-60 wins and at least get to the 2nd round of the playoffs. But for a team with championship aspirations that has been so close the last 2 years, winning it all is what matters. I’m not saying it’s impossible we win a championship in the near future. But I fear we may have missed our best opportunities during the last 2 season, as this year will probably be significantly harder. But I still have hope. I’m curious to see what unfolds.
The main pieces are in place
The issue is that Otis Smith has made some grave errors in judgement which may in the end cost this franchise its first ever championship. What the Magic need now is some cap flexibility to make some moves and bring in a few more pieces, or 1 more very nice piece.
The grave errors were:
1) Rashard Lewis. This was a tragic error of mass proportions! To pay Rashard soo much money was pure lunacy. No one at the time understood it, and no one understands it now. Believe me, I was raised in Seattle, the sonics used to be my team, and so i have very good feelings towards Rashard. It’s just that he is not worth anything near the contract he got. And it’s not as though he didn’t live up to expectations, he has lived up to expectations and still is no where in the same vicinity of the contract.
2) The Vince Carter move. Luckily his contract was only 2 years long so it won’t cause too many problems. However, he was NEVER going to be the answer for a ring. He simply is a loser. I’ve been arguing this very same point since he was signed. A loser doesn’t come through in the clutch, they don’t come big in must win playoff games, they don’t carry teams in important times —-that’s a thing winners tend to do. And so picking up VC was never going to result in a ring. Now 1-2 years of Dwight’s prime are lost, cap flexibility over those years were lost, and some key pieces were lost (c lee anyone?).
3) Bass/Gortat. For the life of me i cannot figure out what in the world Otis was thinking with these two. They are overpaid and don’t fit anything you guys are doing in Orlando. The excuse for Gortat was most amazing as he said the reason was they couldn’t just “give away” assets or something to that effect. Well, you wouldn’t have given anything away, you would have saved $35m dollars for a backup center that barely plays. And then to sign Bass while the coach never gives him a chance. Bass was simply a bad fit.
Those were the errors, however, the positives are that some HUGE championship pieces are in place. The most important, obviously, Dwight Howard. Then you have role players like Jameer and JJ, etc.
All you guys are missing is an offensive post threat. If somehow you could have picked up Bosh, or next year Carmelo, i think a dynasty would have been born. The issue is that due to the mistakes of the past, you don’t have the cap room to sign anyone like that. You’re stuck in “mediocre” championship contender mode, which in the current climate is good enough to make deep playoff runs but not good enough to win it all.
From where i stand, you don’t have many options. Hope that Dwight gets better on offense, but hoping is not a good solution to a problem. Hope you can find some gems in the draft? Again, see prior sentence. Gut the team completely and start over with your core? Make a play for Carmelo next year? Never for a team so close, even though Carmelo+dwight=dynasty.
I think the best bet is to attempt to get some final pieces by overpaying (again) while attempting to shed some salary the best you can. Perhaps just get Bass/Gortat out of there, but i’m not sure that there are many places that would take their contracts without giving you bad ones in return. I think the biggest key is move away from this offense and towards a more traditional one with an offensive minded PF. Bosh or Gasol would be perfect. Since that’s not happening, get the next best thing. There are some teams looking to get away from bad contracts, you may have to overpay for some talent which may put you guys over the top.
Tough position to be in, although not that tough since you are a championship caliber team after all! Sorry for the long essay…
So, what
We’re not the Heat so we should quit?
by eltharion_doa on Jul 27, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions
What in my statement suggested that "we should quit?"
It’s just my opinion that there are a couple teams that are in a better position (than our current roster) to win a championship. Of course, I could be wrong. And I hope I am. But I never implied in any way that we should give up.
by MightyMouth on Jul 27, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You claimed there's nothing to be excited about
This year, except for the new arena.
I don’t understand that attitude at all. The reality is that only one team is ever going to win the title each season and as a basketball fan, you should be pretty ecstatic that your teams is even in the conversation.
There are 27 teams who would love to be as bored as you are.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 28, 2010 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions
The statements made after this meeting mean jack sh*t
Its still a long shot, but never believe what GMs and players say. They’re like politicians, look at what they do. What did anyone expect CP3 to say coming out this, “those guys are a-holes, get me the hell out of here as quickly as possible”. No, hes trying to be nice about it in public, but the Hornets are still in the same position they were before the meeting. They cant bust the cap and go on a spending spree to get whoever Paul wants like other teams can. Doesnt mean anythings going to happen, but it doesnt close the door either.
so nothing much really has changed underneath
Apparently CP3 is still simmering behind the scenes, NO haven’t really done anything to appease him (since they can’t because the next big free agent is Shaq who is near useless not to mention expensive)
"Much ado about nothing" -Stan Van Gundy
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by Mike from Illinois on Jul 27, 2010 1:00 AM EDT reply actions
Ben, could you please tell me when you find time to sleep?
Considering the amount of and the range of times that you post new content, I don’t really understand when you manage to find rest. It’s all much appreciated and thanks a lot for the hard work.
by milner406 on Jul 27, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this.....
i find myself scrambling trying to keep up with him….Twitter….OPP….i mean I am using all of my resources…work computer, laptop, Blackberry…and I am still behind….BQR is a machine
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Jul 27, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't sleep often or well. I'll say that.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
another thing.....your avatar......
do you have some kind of Zorro complex going on???
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Jul 27, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
rude :-(
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions

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