Vince Carter: The Expiring Contract That Isn't
In several places around this site, members of the Orlando Pinstriped Post community have written that Orlando Magic guard Vince Carter has an expiring contract, which makes him a desirable trade chip as NBA teams look to cut costs before the next collective bargaining agreement arrives sometime next year, potentially after a lengthy lockout. For clarification's sake, we should note that Carter's contract doesn't expire next summer, nor is it a team option. It's what one might term as a "semi-expiring" deal. Yes, it can end next summer, but it'll come at a price.
Carter has a partially guaranteed deal for the 2011/12 season. If he is not waived before June 30, 2011, Carter's salary of $18.3 million becomes fully guaranteed; if he is waived by the above date, he pockets $4 million and becomes an unrestricted free agent on July 1. The $4 million figure will stay on his team's cap for that year.
I assure you I'm not picking nits here; these distinctions are important. If the Magic elect to trade Carter, they'll likely have to include $3 million in cash--the maximum allowable amoun--in the bargain to cover most of Carter's guarantee, which is a fact to consider when trying to evaluate potential trade partners. Which ones wouldn't mind having to cover $1 million of Carter's guarantee? Would they demand another asset, such as a future draft pick, as further compensation?
Those details don't change the fact that Carter will almost assuredly become a free-agent next summer, as it's simply hard to imagine that any team is willing to pay him $18.3 million when it could simply pay him to go away. But the circumstances around the pending free agency merit attention. Can't overlook them, no matter how silly they might seem.
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So
Even if we don’t trade him, do you think the magic will pay the money and cut him next year?
by BlueSkyOneCloud on Jul 25, 2010 8:55 AM EDT reply actions
Unlikely
If the Magic don’t trade him this summer, they’d be better off trading him to a team wanting to cut payroll rather than waiving him themselves. If they waive him, they gain nothing – they’re still over the luxury tax threshold, never mind the salary cap, so it wouldn’t free up room to sign a FA.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 25, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's a way to maximize the value NO would get if they did the Paul, bad contracts to Orl. for Jameer, VC, Hammer and filler
If we sent them Jameer, Gortat, and Anderson in a separate deal for Okafor and Posey plus 3 mil. and then in another deal sent them VC for Paul and a mil. (or 3 if that is what it took) as well as picks, then I think that would be enough for them to trade him here over other places.
take this to the trade machine thread
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 25, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you mean take it there?
and secondly, a trade like that for VC going anywhere could be the more viable option, not just to NO. If we moved VC, we could trade him straight up for players and cash, then make a 2nd trade. Like swapping future 2nd rnd picks and cash. That is all I was saying.
I want to keep Vinsanity
so I don’t really care what his contract says.
by Vindibudd on Jul 25, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm all for that but....
Its been a while since he was ‘Vinsanity’ he took over ONE game last year. That was against an over matched Hornets team. We need to find a way to move hime before the trade deadline, otherwise like Ben said we get nothing. No player in return and no cap relief to sign a player off the market.
by The Magic Man on Jul 25, 2010 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That Hornet team was kicking our butts and Vince saved it from becoming an embarrassing loss.
And uh, we have his Bird rights. So he can be waived and re-signed.
The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.
by ben_gleicher on Jul 25, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
So?
So we would have had 58 wins as opposed to 59. Still would have had the #2 seed. Also who was playing SG for the Hornets that night? Morris Peterson, is the correct answer. He was supposed to be that guy who could ‘score at will’ and ‘create his own offense,’ in reality he scored 30+ twice. We went 1-1 in those games. He got to the line a paltry 4 times a game. 89 games (including the playoffs) and he goes for 30+ twice. As an added point, between Vince and Shard we have 34 million tied up. They played a combined 175 games. We got all of two 30 point games. I’m not an expert, but I don’t think that’s a good thing.
by The Magic Man on Jul 25, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You say like he had nothing to do winning any other games
Magic fans preach balanced attack and then whine about how Vince can’t take over games.
Caption for VC: Whoa! What happened to my other 14 million?!?!
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
Peace
ince has been my favorite player in the league since he cam in a I ALWAYS wanted him on the magic (my favorite team), but now that he has played for us and has, IMO, failed us, then we really need to try and move him to somebody willing to spend the mill to peace him out. teams that come in mind: knicks, nets, bulls, and wolves. these teams have cap space now and aquiring vince and his contratc would open their cap space more. now im not sure what we would get back and i’m sure it can be speculated, but we need to get what we can for him now. keeping him will only get us a far as the ECF, if that!
The Nets would re-sign Jayson Williams before they re-signed Vince.
by Zach Zimmerman on Jul 25, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
My understanding is that Nets fans, all 16 of them, do not.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 25, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why we aint getting CP3. and stuck with vince.
I hope JJ becomes like twice he is already so we dont have to start VC in Playoff games
Not really close. Go look at the numbers.
Vince’s last season in NJ vs. CLee’s first (with essentially the same starters).
CLee’s last season in Orlando vs. Carter’s first.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 25, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Thank you for finally explaining this, I had been reading about Vince’s expiring contract and Vince having two years left all offseason without actually understanding what was going on.
I’m not saying we should have kept him because he’s better, I just don’t believe the trade netted the Magic any more wins than they would have had without Carter. Now we have a player who’s earnings are not matching his salary and he’s virtually untradeable. At least Lee has a chance to get better can we say the same for Carter?
"Now we have a player who’s earnings are not matching his salary and he’s virtually untradeable."
Same can be said for Turkoglu, had the Magic kept him.
And the Magic are better off having unloaded Alston and Battie for Carter. Not sold on Lee ever being much more than what he was.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 25, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
So basiically it is like a ryan gomes/erick dampier type situation?
hmmmm…. Vince’s playoff track record hurts his stock, but without a player like CP3, the hornets don’t have much potential to get very far in the playoffs, so I think it’d be better to complete this trade waive him and sign him on the 30th, for less money,( around 9-12 million dollars.) That way Carter could possibly navigate this team to the playoffs for a coupel of seasons and keep the interest in the hornets franchise alive until collison and thortan develop into a solid tandem.
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Cavs
How about they send Carter to the Cavs..i seen a comment saying Nets wont take him back..and im liking the youngsters for the Raptors..who is currently the starting SF or SG for that matter for the Cavs?!…i think it would be a perfect fit.
Carter for Jamison
I would never recommend nor do it, but it has happened before.
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