Broussard: Chris Paul Lists Orlando Magic as Top Trade Choice
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 23, 2010 8:42 PM EDT
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PrintOrlando Magic fans' hysteria over New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul, who wants out of the Crescent City, can continue and may in fact reach an all-time high with this report from ESPN's Chris Broussard, who says Paul now ranks the Magic at the top of his preferred list--ahead of the New York Knicks--of destinations, which also includes the Portland Trail Blazers, Dallas Mavericks, and New York. From Broussard:
Paul believes the Magic, with Dwight Howard, would be a better fit for him. Also, Paul realizes the Magic have more to offer New Orleans in a trade and therefore views it as a more realistic landing spot.
Though exciting--Paul's the best point guard in the world, and it's not particularly close--it's useful to remember that the Hornets are under no obligation to trade him. Paul does not have a no-trade clause in his contract; the Hornets can deal him to wherever they choose, if they even want to at all.
Further, this report does nothing to change the Magic's interest in getting a deal done. The Magic like Paul, as does every other team in the league, and obviously are interested in him. It is nice to feel wanted, I suppose.
Marc Stein reported yesterday that Paul is scheduled to meet with new Hornets GM Dell Demps and head coach Monty Williams on Monday to discuss the team's direction. The situation can change between now and then, because just yesterday, the Knicks were said to top Paul's list.
Whatever the order, it's clear that Paul wants a change of scenery, and he considers Orlando an attractive destination. That's about all we know right now.
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"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that the Hornets and Blazers agreed to a deal on draft night but fell through scares me
because it seems as if the Hornets would go that route if a trade is to happen.
You don't believe in vapors?
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe I has them
(if we get Chris Paul)
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So am I still crazy??
I believe a few of you called me crazy when I said that Lebron going to Miami would help the Magic because it will make star players want to team up with Dwight Howard in order to have a chance to beat Miami/LA (mostly Miami)…
In fact, I stated that Chris Paul specifically would probably want to come to Orlando now that Lebron went to Miami (check out my fanpost “Why Lebron Signing with Heat Helps Orlando”)
Now I didn’t say it would happen (as this trade has not happened yet), but I did say it would make Orlando a very attractive place for star players to come since we have a dominant center, and great role players.
what can you say now? LOL
I'm already right
I didn’t say it would happen, I said it would make Orlando an attractive place for star players to want to join
Well I guess you told us
Although saying NBA players want to play with Dwight is like saying water is wet
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you are still crazy, no mtter what.
Crazy is as crazy does!
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Orlando was attractive before the terrible three
Maybe players are more keen to move to a team with other big name players now because they think the Heat will be a juggernaut, though.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
yea
thats exactly what i wrote on my fan post
Hopefully
I am praying we can get this guy on our team, even if we have to take back Okafor. He doesn’t make THAT much more than Gortat, so I don’t think its that big of a deal. On a side note I wouldn’t say Paul is the best PG in the league and it isn’t particularly close… there are a lot of great PG in this league
Who's better?
the only one I can think of is Deron Williams
Deron Williams is at least his equal, and I would put Nash, Rose and Rondo up there too, although not as good.
Not equal. No one is.
I’m flexible in debates a lot of the time, but this one is an exception. He’s the best in the world.
Opinion
In my opinion Deron Williams is just as good
I agree
I do think Paul is better, but I don’t think the margin is as big as some people say it is. Helps that Deron doesn’t get injured as frequently as Paul. That’s what scares me about him (CP3).
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 23, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m partial to guys who are a bit more physical, which Williams is. You can have 1st pick and I will be fine with the other guy on my team.
Same
’Tis why I love guys like Rose, Harris, Iggy, etc…
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 23, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
People with their ridiculous conceptions...
Paul isn’t injury prone. 3 of his 5 seasons he’s played at least 78 games. One year he played 64, and last year was really the first year affected by injury, and he still put up crazy numbers. As recently as 08-09, Williams missed a 14 game stretch due to injury. In fact, their total games played were almost identical before this past season.
Chris Paul is arguably the best passer in the NBA (Nash right there, Rondo close behind), the best scorer at PG (19.3/gm, close to 50% FG, was shooting 41% from 3 last year, Williams is really the only one close in my mind in this regard), and possibly the best on-ball defender at PG also (again, Rondo is right there, Westbrook certainly will have a say in this soon too). Not to mention he takes care of the ball considerably better than all of those guys too (13.2 TOV%, next closest is Williams at 16.6%).
On top of this, he’s played with a subpar roster compared to the other guys. His 2nd best player is David West, who will not be an All-Star without him. Williams has always had Boozer, Rondo has 3 Hall of Famers, Nash had Amare and the D’Antoni system (Gentry still runs it, basically). Chris Paul carried his team to a game 7 against SA in the 2nd round at age 22, again with his 2nd best player being West. There is no case here to be made for Williams, none at all.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
What are you trying to argue?
Okay, he may not be injury prone, but what was the need for the other crap? I said Paul was better.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 23, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, you can't. Not with numbers at least.
If you want to say “I like big PG’s”, then fine. The Magic have been trying to get another one since Penny was traded, and it’s failed. If you want to say, “Deron Williams is the best PG in the league”, then that’s not fine. People have short-term memory, and because the last thing they’ve seen was Deron Williams and Rondo killing it in the playoffs, and Paul was hurt the 2nd half of the season, all of a sudden people forget how good he is.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
thats true
What have you done for me lately
by Swami on Jul 24, 2010 12:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not really.
Even going on per-game numbers—which aren’t the best measure—Paul has Williams beat in scoring, rebounding (despite his smaller stature), assists, steals, and he has fewer turnovers; Williams leads in blocks.
Advanced stats? Paul leads in true shooting, rebound rate, assist rate, steals rate, and turnover rate.
Paul’s PER is 25.6; Williams’ is 18.6. That’s a 27-percent difference.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 23, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Williams led his team to the WCF
People totally forget that. If Williams played as many minutes his rookie year, the career numbers would be almost exact. You’re right that numbers don’t tell the whole tale, watching both guys play, I don’t see how someone can say Paul is BY FAR a better player than Williams. All I said is one can argue that Deron Williams is as good as Chris Paul, and I’m sure that I can find a lot of people that would agree.
And they'd be wrong.
It’s not close.
I don’t see the point in arguing. There’s nothing anyone can point to that would convince me that Williams is as good as Paul.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 24, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
???
How can you say its not even close so easily?
You need to ease up guy lol
Take a chill pill conversing and debating is what its all about
Ease up on giving facts?
What are you talking about?
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Ok, This "guy" as you call him
is the editor and runner of this blog. He is stating facts to prove his point. Why don’t you just kill him for backing up his opinion as opposed to just blindly stating something with no real evidence to support it. So, the one who needs to “ease up” is you. Every has a right to their opinion. God knows we have seen yours plenty of times.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
GMG! When are you going to realize
facts have no place in arguments on this board, its all about who can say the same idiotic drivel over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again until you just lose interest. Damn, but it is hard to tell the fans from the trolls!
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 24, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't have facts
when I said CP3/other star players would be attracted to coming to Orlando once Lebron joined Miami…and I was right…boo ya!
Wow you two got real emotional
I didnt mean it in an offensive or demeaning way or anything all I meant was let whoever thinks Williams is as good as CP3 or wtv have his opinion and not be shut down, Its not about proving each other wrong with facts and bs and keeping scores…its about opinions and discussion.Suggesting to kill someone etc etc is psychotic and I dont get this troll troll troll thing, relax you two its a basketball game and we all cheer for the same team and come here to talk about them.
Chris Paul's PER is really eye-opening
I think Deron Williams is a really good PG, but not as good as CP3.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jul 24, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Now if you were the "decider"
lol, then we wouldn’t even need to have message boards, games, etc. We could just ask…who is the best team in the league? Rock would say…Lakers, and then we would say, good, no need to have a regular season…
Deron Williams is good, but Chris Paul is the greatest of all time! ALL TIME! (Kanye Voice)
in all seriousness though, Paul is much better than nearly every PG in the league, and is better than all of them in the world. We will witness it here next year (I hope)
Okafor doesn't make that much more than Gortat?
He makes around twice as much.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 23, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah
Gortat: $6.3 million
Okafor: $11.8 million
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 23, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right. It isn't particularly close. Chris Paul is the best point guard in the NBA, hands down.
He’s a top five player when he’s at his best. Put up historic MVP-caliber numbers in 2009.
I write for Magic Basketball and have a Twitter account.
agree and agree.................not the best guard but the best point guard.........he is pure
Just one man's opinion...
"mark my words...we will draft 2 corners within the first 4 picks" - 2009
"mark my words...we will draft 4 new linebackers this off-season" - 2010
Not a huge surprise, but...
they’re said to be wanting to dump Okafor as well in any deal that involves CP3.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 23, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
can't we do a 3 team trade
and send Okafor somewhere else?
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
Who's taking that deal without getting Paul?
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 23, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
David Kahn?
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Seriously
I don’t see David Kahn jokes getting old any time soon.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
by Wasabi Steak on Jul 24, 2010 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Toronto would have been a good team if they adnt already traded Hedo
I dont know who has a worse contract though Hedo or Okafor
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Turk
Okafor’s three years younger and plays in a more desirable position.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 25, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt
But so is Turk. And at least Okafor’s only going to be 30 or so when his contract runs out, Turk’s going to be 75 and have eaten so much pizza he’ll be the Shaq’s weight.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 25, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
That Phoenix training staff can work wonders though...
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
How can fans trust NBA players ever again?
CP3 has 2 years left on his contract and instead of honoring a multi-million dollar commitment like a man he would rather whine like a baby that he wants to go to a new team.
How do we know that Dwight won’t do the same as soon as a couple of years of losing happens to the Magic?
It’s pretty bad for the league whenever the fanbase can’t trust the “superstars” from asking for trades every couple of years…
by ap3604 on Jul 23, 2010 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Shaq Taught Me to Never Give Your Loyalty to a Player
Just the team. Most are mercenaries. I wanted Duncan here but respected his decision to stay in SA. Please Otis Make this happen, CP3 is the baddest mo fo under 6’6" in the league.
Thats Debatable
Wade has the ring, so you got to give him the edge…..for now. Paul does ALOT at both ends of the floor.
Stop it... its not debatable, Wade is a top 3 player in the league
And he got an awful team to the playoffs
So is Chris Paul
The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.
by ben_gleicher on Jul 25, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Paul isn't better than James, Howard or Wade
by eltharion_doa on Jul 25, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
When healthy, it's close.
He was putting up, as already said earlier, numbers not seen from the PG position since Isiah. He should’ve been the MVP of the league at 23 when he got that team to the 2 seed in the West and was extremely close to the WCF (lost game 7 to the Spurs in their last really good season).
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
No, he shouldn't
James was better than Paul the season Paul put up his best numbers.
James > Durant/Wade > Howard > Paul for me. Wade’s somehow become underrated. On his day, he’s the best player in the league. Maybe you have to mark him down for his injuries but I think that’s been mostly because he’s been trying to carry an awful team by himself.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 26, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
CP3 may be better than Dwight
but we’re talking top 3, which neither of them are.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 25, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d take dwight over anyone not named Lebron James. And CP3 over wade.
by David Polega on Jul 25, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Sports are a business.
Why should any fan trust any player? They have no obligations to us at all. They have the mildest of obligations to their teammates. Teams have no qualms about trading players who are perfectly happy where they are all the time. Sometimes without even talking to the player. Teams make moves without consulting fans all the time. Why should the players do that?
What would you do in his situation? I know you likely won’t answer truthfully, so I’ll just say that the vast majority of people when presented with an option to leave their local job that’s struggling to get a job for like, Google or Pixar, in a much better area at that… Well, it speaks for itself.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Tru Dat
Oh yeah, teams will drop players like a bad habit without so much as an FU on the way out. But the point I was responding to addressed trusting “superstars”. Both team and player have to look out for their own best interest. I would to. In Shaqs case he was going to get paid, here, LA or anywhere on the planet they could afford him. He doesnt have an obligation to Orlando but I do. This is my hometown so this is my team. Liked him when he was in Orlando, strongly disliked him the moment he left. Many NBA fans I know follow a player regardless of where they play. I like Dwight Howard and want to keep him. But I will drop him like a bad habit the second he leaves Orlando. Thats in my best interest as an Orlando Magic Fan.
I was responding to ap3604.
People have trouble following who is replying to who on here. I feel like people need to use a ruler sometime to line things up vertically.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
After Shaq left I learned to love the team first and those which make the team second.
by telka on Jul 24, 2010 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His situation is a little different
The team is moving front office pieces and is losing money, its clear he would be stuck in a rebuilding situation for years and lose his prime over it. No one wanna go through what KG did just to be loyal.
And here’s the thing: The culture of winning and having set pieces around is what ultimatley tempts you do stay. I believe Orlando has that for Chris Paul.
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
by Wasabi Steak on Jul 24, 2010 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions
all four of the teams on paul's wishlist have one thing in common
owners willing to pay the luxury tax.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Not sure why this is even talked about.
Paul coming here is not going to happen.We should focus on the team we have now and hope carter comes through in the playoffs next year(against the top teams any way).
You are right
As long as these reports continue to come out, though, the speculation will continue indefinitely.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jul 23, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone notice that Broussard was the one who said Lebron to Miami?
by O-Town MagiCane on Jul 23, 2010 9:46 PM EDT reply actions
Broussard said Lebron was going everywhere.
It was Stephen A. Smith who nailed that one long before anyone else.
Yeah... right after Cleveland got eliminated, I remember Broussard saying that he thought James would wind up with the Bulls
Of course, Broussard changed his mind several weeks later.
Honestly, I will be shocked if CP3 will be wearing a Magic uniform by the start of the season, though it is nice to think about.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jul 23, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Speculation
so much fun to do. But we really should be focusing on how we will win a championship with the team we have now… I think we can do it without CP3. Just need Rashard to grow and back bone and step up in the playoffs against KG.
"In Otis We Trust"
He didn't get many looks.
He was the 4th option in the Boston series with about 7-8 FGA per game and we had bad spacing with Barnes on the floor. With Q we’ll have better spacing and 4th shooter as good as the other 3 snipers on the perimeter. I think he’ll still start out as the 4th option but if either Jameer or VC struggles SVG will get Rashard more looks.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Ugh...we'd have to give up Meer.
Ofcourse Paul is magnitudes better, but wow, wouldn’t the chemistry take a huge hit? I mean he is more than just a PG to the team.
But they could hang with Paul in Nawleans man.
So you can keep knocking but won't knock me down
No love lost, no love found
Yeah, a huge hit of upgraded awesomeness.
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
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by Wasabi Steak on Jul 24, 2010 5:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone see this article?
Woj lays into CP and LBJ. I think it’s a little harsh. He really does not like LBJ’s manager and that Wes guy or whatever the heck his name is.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
Good column... thanks for the link
The fact that Chris Paul still has two more years left on his contract and has done so much for the city makes me believe that he and the Hornets will work things out and the Hornets won’t trade him.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jul 24, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's harsh at all
Paul’s clearly had his head turned by James’ cronies. He used to be someone you could respect; now he just seems like a James mini-me.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
this article is REALLY focused on maverick Carter and that Wes guy
Just look what happened to KG. He wasted his entire career toilng for a franchise that didnt make a financial commitment to winning. That situation is having more of an effect on Chris Paul then LeBron and co. It takes more than 1 superstar on a team to win in today’s NBA.
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I saw that too.
It seemed more like he does not like how much control those two guys have over all these players. It does seem ridiculous. They have really been strong arming their way in the NBA.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
Again...
We all know the Magic have the most to offer the Hornets. MAKE IT HAPPEN, OR MAKE IT GO AWAY! I can’t take the torture!
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Jul 24, 2010 12:23 AM EDT reply actions
You can make a decent case that the Blazers can offer more.
Sizable expirings (Przybilla, Miller), two kids on rookie deals (Fernandez and Bayless), as well as a franchise-level center (Oden) also on a rookie deal.
Orlando can’t offer a player of Oden’s caliber.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 24, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
he is good.....so good actually that what i'm getting from scouring sbn for info is this:
most blazer fans would much rather give up aldridge than oden…..they would not like a paul trade if it included oden
Just one man's opinion...
"mark my words...we will draft 2 corners within the first 4 picks" - 2009
"mark my words...we will draft 4 new linebackers this off-season" - 2010
I'd take Gortat over Oden
those chronic knee problems aren’t going away
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather have no one than Gortat
when you include his contract. Gortat or Bass, niether of them is worth anything because they get paid too much…at least in my opinion
Gortat would start on most teams in the league. He is obvioulsy not worth it for us, and I really hope he gets traded eventually because it is too much to pay for 13 minutes per game.
His contract would be a value contract if he started though, because his rebounding rates and defensive ability are pretty good. He rebounds almost as frequently as Dwight, and obviously isnt as good as Dwight defensively, but he is above average.
He's an average player
On an average deal. If he was getting average minutes, he’d be perfectly…average.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 25, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He would be perfect
for a team that all they need out of their center is defense, rebounds, and the occasional putback….like Miami.
you are right....the blazers probably have to best to offer new orleans.....
but….paul, i’m sure, would rather come here than go there……..
but………it’s not entirely up to him…….so…..blah, blah, blah, at this point, unfortunately
a cp3 trade doesn’t seem plausible at this point….but it certainly keeps getting more and more possible……….
Just one man's opinion...
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Andrew (Corvallis OR) " so you think that the non-guaranteed Vince contract, the young assets like Anderson and Orton are a better package then rudy bayless miller priz and camby for CP3 okafor and posey?"
John hollinger
(3:13 PM)
“It’s a close call. Hornets already have two good young guards so the young bigs would be more valuable to them. Not much need for Camby in a rebuilding project, they’d presumably try to flip him to a third team, and that second year he’s owed changes their cap picture.”
From Hollinger chat earlier today….He makes a good point.
...But he doesn't include Oden in that deal as you have.
It’s surprising that Portland would give up on Oden so quickly. But it’s Chris Paul, and I assume they do whatever it takes. One thing working in the Magic’s favor is that they can easily take on Paul, Okafor, and Posey’s contracts. Portland would have to include Aldridge AND Oden to take on all 3 of those contracts. So I guess it depends on how badly N.O. would want to get rid of Posey’s contract. But, as I’ve been stating, this may all be a moot point come Monday, should CP3 and N.O. come from their meeting smiling and holding hands.
As weezyana said...
Oden can’t stay healthy. He will never be a good Nba talent because of this. I hope he proves me wrong because I like the kid, but I doubt it. You’re pretty big on PER’s so I’m interested to know what Oden’s is compared to Gortat or Bass. I know I have a huge Magic bias, so I believe Nelson, Carter, Gortat/Bass is better than what the Blazers can offer. If I was logical enough to believe Blazers could offer more, I have a hard time believing that the Hornets are dumb enough to keep Paul in the conference.
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Jul 24, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it was Duncan
Howard had a slow start to the season, but he got his PER above Oden by the end.
Oden’s clearly very talented, but he might just be one of those guys whose bodies aren’t reliable enough for the rigours of the NBA.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Last season's PER
Tim Duncan: 24.7
Dwight Howard: 24.0
Greg Oden: 23.1
Marcin Gortat: 13.9
Brandon Bass: 16.5
Surprising to see that Bass had an above-average PER.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jul 24, 2010 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He does the things PER likes
Shoots well, doesn’t turn the ball over too much, OK passer, OK rebounder, relatively high usage.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea I agree
Portland has nice pieces, but I’m hoping that NO won’t wanna trade CP3 to another Western Conf. foe..that’s why I think they’d rather ship him away to the East…kinda like what we did with TMAC
I have to see a lot more from him
right now, he is nothing more than an injury prone, decent center in the NBA. I could be wrong, but I never thought he would be a great NBA player coming out of college. I thought the Blazers were insane not taking Durant.
Would the Hornets carter for paul trade straight up, or would the magic have to take okafor's
albatross contract? Cuz according to the espn trade machine bass and carter for okafor and paul works out just fine.
For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.
They'd want a lot more than Carter and Bass for their franchise player.
They may want to rid themselves of Posey too.
I'm a dude!
Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U
But there isn't much more to offer, unless the magic include jameer nelson is to be traded, which imho, i don't see happening
For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.
I don’t see Nelson playing backup to Paul. From captain to the bench?
by telka on Jul 24, 2010 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He'd be in N.O.
Not playing back up
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Jul 24, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
NO may be able to trade Nelson for Granger
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Nelson for Granger? Straight up?
LMAO
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 24, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Despite what you may think Granger is not a superstar
he plays for a bad team and puts up most of the shots
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That may be so, but he's still better then Jameer
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 24, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
How many all star teams has Granger made?
Has he even gotten to the playoffs?
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't trade Al Harrington and Stephen Jackson for Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy....
And he did make one All-Star team.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 25, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Who's going if it happens?
I’m just not up to date on this trade proposal can somebody fill me in? Are we offering Nelson and future draft picks or Nelson and some other player(s)?
If we get Okafor
do you think he will be the backup C? or will we move away from the 4-1 offense and start Okafor at PF?
Okafor can't play PF
Any more than Gortat can.
He’d be an extremely expensive backup/insurance policy.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions
True
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 24, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
would be well worth it, imo
they are more likely to want anderson than Bass (due to rookie scale contract)
ya, anyone besides D12 would be worth it to acquire CP3
but I really think Anderson is going to be something special and would hate to see him go. I hated seeing C.Lee go too but possibly seeing CP3 throwin oops to Dwight would be too sweet and a amazing way to start the new season in the new arena. Cant wait! Isn’t there a open house type deal sometime soon for Amway?
i'd be pretty upset if we lose Anderson
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought
Courtney Lee was better than Ryan Anderson when we had him…
thats probably why we were able to get both Ryan Anderson and VC for Lee (and some veteran scrubs…even though I like Alston, he wasn’t gonna be a part of that NJ team)
Anderson's three years younger and has a much more unique skill set. Wings like Lee are pretty easy to find. Let's remember, too, that he's three months older than Dwight Howard.
Smart player, good defender, but darn near close to his ceiling already.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 25, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea I'm still waitin
for Ryan Anderson to become the star you predict…i hope your right man
He just finished his 2nd season...
He’s 22. He’s not going to be Dwight, but he has potential to be very good.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Why is he near his ceiling?
theres been seniors outta college that have developed and become great players over the years.. Tim Duncan, Josh Howard (he kept improving before he got hurt and embarrassed himself, even though I thought it was funny), Darren Collinson (I think he’s gonna get better)
Thanks Ben
I have to say, that’s a heck of a lot to give up…not saying it isn’t worth it..but that’s a lot. If Carter goes do you think J.J. would start at SG?
Get it done Otis.
I know there’s the issue that we would have to take on Okafor’s contract (which when you add Lewis’ contract sounds like a lot) but at the same time he might be a worthy backup to dwight or be a low post presence at the PF (I dont know if thats his game admittedly, I havent checked him out in awhile). Pretty ironic if we did get both of the top picks from 2004 in the end. And look, Posey does have championship veteran experience even if it didnt materialize in New Orleans like it did in Miami and Boston.
But Im totally for this as it adresses our needs, sheds VC’s contract and really move some redundant pieces ( I hope they take Ryan Anderson rather than Gortart though)
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
He was mediocre in Boston too
He just had a good playoff run.
Still, he’s an average three point shooter who can play a little D, even at 33. He wouldn’t be a complete waste, he’s just ridiculously overpaid. On Q-Rich’s contract, he’d be a nice role player.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions
His game has always been based on the Playoffs
If he can be a pesky defender and knock down the shot I’ll take that contract on. And he’ll probably love the 3pt offense here (which may or may not be a good thing now with so many players jacking up 3s)
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
by Wasabi Steak on Jul 24, 2010 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Pesky might be overplaying it
He probably wouldn’t be a defensive liability, but I’m not sure he’s much more than that at this stage of his career.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions
What I don't understand is...
Society has said for the last 20 years that it’s all about the “ring”. Elway wasn’t upper echelon until Terell Davis helped him get 2 rings. Peyton Manning-greatest ever-except only 1 ring. He needs another to cement his place in history. Marino was, but he never got one. I can go on and on… Now some people criticize LeBron (the decision was fine-“The Decision” was narcissistic BS!) and CP3, But they are simply doing what the fans have stated was the only true measure of success. It’s All About the Ring.
There is something romantic in my mind to Yaz, Lynn and Rice for the BoSox, never winning a ring. Yaz played his whole career in one place. Leroy Selmon for the Bucs, etc…
If CP3 wants some rings-seems to me he should be trying to get to Orlando. The best 1 & 5 against arguably the best 2, 3, and 4. 4 times a year! plus Playoffs!
Just old heads disapproving of young player savviness of the business and getting help for themselves rather relying on GMs
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
by Wasabi Steak on Jul 24, 2010 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Just old heads believing you should try to show that you are the best rather than taking the easy way out.
Old heads value competition, young basketball players value false glory and big diamond earrings.
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I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 24, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that's fair
I don’t see Howard or Durant agitating for a trade. And there have been big guys force moves before – Vince Carter, Chris Webber, T-Mac.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Howard ask management to make a move for CP3 when the summer started?
He called out half the team after they lost to the celtics for not playing hard enough. The magic have spent big time money putting together a team that reached the Finals and ECF the past 2 years. He’d look like an idiot asking for a trade now.
Durant is too young to be demanding anything
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Jul 24, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Just like the world, the NBA is dynamic and those not prepared for change get left behind.
Teaming up with other stars will ultimately end up in the fans watching a higher quality of basketball in the playoffs. Who wouldn’t love to see CP3, VC, Redick, D12, Lewis vs Wade, Lebron, Bosh, Mike Miller in the ECF for the next 5 years? It’s like a allstar game with actual coaching and chemistry.
And with the stars teaming up
teams that don’t land stars will see attendence decline and the value of the franchise decline. The is a possibility that this would lead to an over all decline in the number of teams in the NBA. It cetainly will not increase the popularity of the NBA in Cleveland.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 24, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
There are
18+ teams a season that don’t have any stars year after year. Small market teams are always at a risk but the teaming of stars isn’t going to result in a collapse of the association. Cleveland, Milwaukee,etc will always have a tough time without a “Lebron” but not being a fan of those teams leaves me not really caring about their fate. Worst case scenario they pull a Oklahoma City Thunder and relocate a team to a larger market. When it comes down to playoff time all I want to see is the elite of the elite going at it and I don’t think many people would say otherwise.
Hmmm - Golden State ..
Although not necessarily a small market team, I don’t think anyone would argue that they’ve not had stars for years. Franchise purchased in 1995 for $119M. Sold in 2010 for $450M. Ownership seemed to have done pretty well even though the general concensus was that the previous owners did not invest anything like the Devos family in trying to improve the franchise. Attendance was stable over the years but did not increase measurably.
Live life to the fullest, and do it in the fast lane
Should check the attendance records when the away team has a star.
People pay to see LeBron, Dwight, etc come to town. Just remember NJ’s crazy promo ticket/jersey package last year that was all stars from other teams. And the draft brings new hope to bottom feeders every year.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 25, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
How about Wilt Chamberlain?
Or Kareem? Or hey, John Elway? It’s hardly a new thing.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
lol@anyone thinking their is an "easy way out" in Basketball
These guys gave up money and personal legacies (and probably indivdual endorsement potential).
In other sports, its not uncommon to see great players of the same level team up. Its just because this sport markets its stars individually. Its funny to me how the same people who complain about this generation having egos and being selfish are now complaining about these guys not having those things.
The reality is they still have to face tough competition. The Lakers just got better, we may get better if we get CP3. And there’s nothing “false” about winning a title which is the endgame here/
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by Wasabi Steak on Jul 25, 2010 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay.
First of all, they didn’t give up any money. They’re going to make that money up and then some due to no state tax and the endorsements they’ll get as a trio (not to mention if/when they win titles). Wade isn’t giving up anything with his personal legacy; he’s coming out smelling like roses from all of this because he already won his own ring and he’s bringing other guys to his team. Bosh was never going to have a “personal legacy”, so he’s gaining from this (dude had, what, 2 career playoff victories?). LeBron is the only one who had something to lose and is getting the bulk of the criticism.
They wanted to win titles, and hey, they’re likely going to do that. And that’s great for them. But it’s set a bad precedent, and it’s going to create more teams like this as a result which is not good for the league. Having a superstar team every now and then is good, because it’s a great story. Three or four years from now, it’s going to be a very crappy story for 25 of the franchises in the league. If this kind of thing is the new wave in the NBA, then it’ll be like this every year, in contrast to this past season where fans of LA, Denver, Dallas, Boston, Cleveland, Orlando, San Antonio, Atlanta, and a few other up-and-coming teams had a lot to look forward to coming in.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Wade hardly won a ring on his own as great as his performance was in that finals.
The fact is that playoff run in 2006 was prevelant on key role players who were once all-stars. Even Lebron doesnt stand to lose that much of a legacy if he reinvents himself as a facilitator and averages a triple double like many people see. End of the day this is like Chamberlain-West-Baylor as far having alpha dogs on team and legacies arent necessairly.
And as far as setting a precedent? BS. By that logic the concept of free agency is a bad predecedent ? And its not like the league isnt already controlled by select few clubs (7 clubs in 26 years have won NBA titles). So its not setting a bad precedent as much as it is the status qup.
And a lot of the teams you mentioned have done their part of putting together title teams in what were seen as unfair circumstances, so its moot.
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by Wasabi Steak on Jul 25, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Differences.
Wade was the driving force on that team. No question. When someone says “won a ring on their own”, of course they’re not stating they went out there 1-on-5 and beat the other team single-handedly. That’s a really foolish counterpoint. Wade carried that team in the playoffs just as much as Jordan did in some of his runs. LeBron did the same in ‘09, but his team lost out, similar to Jordan in the late 80s against Detroit. Difference was LeBron just quit this year, whereas Jordan lost a heartbreaking Game 7 in 1990 against his nemesis (who beat him up way more than Boston or Orlando did to LeBron) and then came back even stronger. This is never going to be forgotten, no matter how many rings LeBron wins as Wade’s sidekick.
Bringing up Chamberlain-West-Baylor is funny because no one remembers how good Elgin was, but he didn’t win any rings with Wilt and Jerry. The Lakers lost to the Celtics, Knicks, and Bucks. Next season, Elgin played a handful of games and had to retire. The Lakers immediately ripped off a 33-game winning streak with Wilt playing as a part of a team for once in his career. They won that year, and didn’t win any other titles (got crushed by the Knicks the next year, Wilt retired soon after). This wasn’t three elite players in their primes getting together. This was much closer to the Boston situation, with similar results. I guess legacies mean people can forget about history.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Even without Baylor out of the equation, the Lakers were able to win with 2 alpha dogs
The fact of the matter is nothing is easy and neither will be it easy for this Heat team. Its ridiculous for people to assume it will and theres something wrong with that. if anything its going to be something we might not have seen before (those Laker teams are the closest). Trying to knock Lebron as a sidekick doesnt neccesairly hinder his legacy if he can be a Magic Johnson type player as he was pitch to by Pat Riely. If he can avg a triple double as people think he might then there’s nothing hollow bout that
And I dont think the Wade point I made was foolish because if you go back and look at those games and that whole playoff run, Mourning on the defensive end and Posey knocking down shots was key. Even MJ needed the Bulls players. Nobody carries team and why would they? We saw Lebron try to carry his team against us in 2009. We’ve seen players carry stuff on there own (T-Mac here, Kobe 2004-2007) no one wants that.
The reality is we would probably be dismissing the legacy talk if Tim Duncan joined Grant Hill and T-Mac here in 2000.
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
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by Wasabi Steak on Jul 27, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Otis should try and nab Pondexter if he ever "pushes the button" for CP3
Paul, Okafor and Pondexter for Bass, Nelson, Anderson and 2011 1st Round Draft pick. Realistic?
It seems more so than this.. Odom to the Magic?!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25o7cez
Why would the Lakers do that?
That chances of them being involved in a trade that facilitates one of their league rivals getting the best PG in the league are nil.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope, that didn't make sense either to me. (It was in one of the articles I read)
Nelson isn’t highly regarded in La La land after a 35 year old balding man burned him in the 2009 finals.
Even if he were
They’ve got their PG position locked up in the short term with Fisher and Blake, they don’t need or want Nelson. They certainly wouldn’t load up Orlando to get him.
You have to wonder if writers even think for a moment about the reality of deals they suggest before they post them.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions
There should be a disclaimer in that ESPN trade machine
Just because it says it can happen, doesn’t mean it will, or should happen.
The Lakers are not going to butcher their froncourt for Jameer Nelson
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think very highly of jameer
I consider him an average PG at best…that said, he would be a very good fit in LA. His game is right up the triangle’s alley…that said #2, no way in hell the Lakers would give Odom for picking up Jameer.
Love for Jameer....................................
Even if Orlando trade Jameer Nelson the Magic fans would love him forever, he put his heart and soul on the team always, I hope that the Magic can get Paul but I will hate to see Jameer Nelson leave.
same here
i understand if we get cp3 we gonna be a muchhhh better team, but jameer was like the leader of this team 4 years ago and he was the one we went to for clutch shots and stuff, imma miss him so bad i really dont want him to leave
three team trade that could work
i read this in a article and the trade does work would you guys take it?
in a new york minute....
Just one man's opinion...
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"mark my words...we will draft 4 new linebackers this off-season" - 2010
here's a fun one...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2caot9s
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Jul 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Or a more realistic scenario...
Washington gets VC like they wanted, AND they get rid of Gilbert.
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Jul 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2axcncn
forgot the link…
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Jul 24, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2axcncn
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Jul 24, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
NO gets nothing of value
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Detroit has no need for another PG
Stuckey is solid and Bynum is a good backup,
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 24, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not a good shooter, so I'm not sure how he's fare at the 2
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 24, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not a great passer either, so he's not great at the 1 either.
Quite a conundrum to be in.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
He also has seizures on the sidelines
Interesting predicament he’s in.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 24, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
what does that have to do with Chris Paul? They would waive the “no two Chris’ on the same team rule”.
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 24, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
Chris Paul has absolutely no leverage.
It’s as a high school sophomore walked up to his parents and said, “I want to go away to boarding school and the Swiss Alps and the moon are my top destinations.” What’s the worst he can do? Pout and leave in 2 years when he’s 18? What incentive do the parents have to send him away?
Chris Paul is under contract. Chris Paul can never bring back equal value. Chris Paul is not the GM of the Hornets.
So for me, saying he would like to be traded to the Magic is not all different from when my six year old self demanded ice cream for dinner. Too frickin’ bad. Chris Paul needs to eat his casserole.
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He does have some leverage.
Star players have done this before and will continue to do it (Wilt, Kareem, Penny). Sure, it might not work. But if the player puts enough pressure on the ownership, and if they’re already thinking about rebuilding anyways, they might decide it’s better for them to go this route instead of the Cleveland route. Two years left on a contract means getting a lot of value (although not equal) for the player in return instead of dealing with a sulking player while trying to build your team around him, just to have him bolt.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
two years is a long time for a team with as many expiring contracts and pieces as new orleans
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by ben_gleicher on Jul 24, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Tmac did it I believe
didn’t T-mac have like 2 years left on his contract before he demanded a trade with us? And I think Houston was on his #1 list, and we made it happen…so it has happened before
that was after a horrible season where the team was more than happy to get rid of him.
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by ben_gleicher on Jul 24, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
They weren't happy at all
They just realised he was going to be a locker room cancer if they didn’t trade him, and they didn’t want Howard around that kind of poison.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 25, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats true.
he probably wont be traded until the half-way through the season if at all because if he sulks that will ruin his reputation.
I still trade for a sulking Chris Paul
Detroit traded for sulking, tempermental Rasheed Wallace and won it all that same year
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is N.O. even meeting with him?
They both realize the team is not going to be good, and they scheduled the meeting 4 days after he requested the trade. That meeting should happen asap, but it probably will take the hornets 4 days to find something good about their franchise.
Oh great, yet another revisit of the Chris Paul trade discussion
Wasn’t this exhausted several weeks ago? I realize I’m shouting against the wind here, but can’t we table this until the trade actually happens (if it even does).
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
What else is going on with the Magic to discuss?
No tell me
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 24, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
nelson, carter, gortat, and anderson picks and cash for okafor and paul. then have the hornets do a buyout for carter, which would save them more money, and im sure carter would do that in this stage of his career, then resign carter at the vet min. as bad as some of you hatre carter, he is by far their best wing player, and still is tone of the bets socrers the league has. to match miami, boston and the lakers the magic will need somebody who can at least score from the wing at the same rate as their wing players. call me out on this one. if carter is included in any deal, he will be back to the magic after a buyout. and im sure otis would facilitate that without no problem as would the other team, the hornets in this instance as it would save them money and it would let their young wing players still get the playing time needed to still get better.
a lineup of
c- howrad-okafor
pf-lewis-bass
sf-pietrus-qrich
sg-vc-reddick
pg-paul-duhon
This is great in theory
except the part about Carter signing the vet min. 0% chance that happens. Especially if other teams also consider him one of the league’s best scorers. Also, my guess is that NO would use him for the remaining year that they have to pay him. There’s no point in wasting his talent.
by Zach Zimmerman on Jul 24, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Paul is like LeBron in the sense that if he's healthy, that team is a championship contender.
New Orleans will be at worst an early playoff exit with a healthy Chris Paul.
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They started playing Thornton and Collison more though
If they weren’t coached by a chump who wouldn’t play the kids in the early part of the season, I think they would have had a better record.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 25, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
No
But I can blame him for backing Paul up with Bobby Brown instead of Collison.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 25, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
He was injured pretty much all season long.
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by ben_gleicher on Jul 25, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously he was playing injured for a good chunk of that 45, no one questions that.
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by ben_gleicher on Jul 26, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Beware of CP3
You guys all are falling over yourselves for praise regarding CP3…i don’t think so! This is his 2nd major injury in his career. This last injury was a serious knee injury. CP3’s game is based on quickness, speed, agility, etc. Is this guy the same player as he was before?
Assume a few things, if he is the old MVP quality CP3, why in the world would the Hornets trade him for nothing? Sorry, but VC/Jameer are nothing when you’re comparing them to an MVP candidate. I’m not saying that the Hornets are trading, i’m saying if they do, why would they do it?
Here is what i think. CP3 and the Hornets are in cahoots. They both want to trade (again, assuming the trade happens, if it doesn’t then this argument doesn’t hold up) because it is advantageous for both sides.
How can it be an advantage for both sides? If CP3 is no longer an elite player, that’s how. Did you see the guy after he came back from his injury last year? He was not as good as Collison. Where is the assurance that he is still the player he was before his serious injuries?
CP3 has HUGE name value. However, he only has a 2 year contract. What if he is no longer the same player? If he plays out his contract for the next 2 years and then attempts to find a contract in FA, then he is not going to get anything near max money. If he is an average player like he played post injury last year, then he is going to get average money. So why not get traded and sign an extension right now, before anyone has the chance to see you play against NBA talent next year and the year after? Right now you are worth max money, and you can sign an extension.
From the Hornets point of view, why not cash in on this huge name value player? Let’s say they can get Andrew Bynum in a deal with the Lakers. If CP3 is no longer the same player, then why not cash in and get a stud big man to play with Collison, your other stud PG that is currently on a cheap contract? If they wait for next season, and everyone realizes that CP3 is no longer an elite talent, then they won’t get squat for the guy.
Right now his name value says MVP. I don’t think he is an MVP caliber player anymore. CP3 knows it if it is true, and this may explain his reasoning for wanting a trade. More importantly, it explains the reason why the Hornets would trade him, if indeed they do.
Your theory made some sense until you said this...
Let’s say they can get Andrew Bynum in a deal with the Lakers. If CP3 is no longer the same player, then why not cash in and get a stud big man to play with Collison, your other stud PG that is currently on a cheap contract?
What good is a big who can only barely stay healthy enough to play in the regular season? What are his career playoff numbers again? Yeah, he always seems to be injured leading into or during the playoffs and isn’t much of a factor. I’ve heard the rumors about how CP will never be the same and because of the damage to his knees will eventually have trouble walking like Spud Webb. I don’t care. If he chooses to continue to play, I’d take him on my team. End of rant.
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Bynum isn't exactly a stud big man. Obviously some of his injuries have been accidents, but he has had three consecutive years where he has hurt his knees. His career averages are 10 points and 6 rebounds per game.
He plays in LA, where he will never ever be double teamed as long as that team has Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol on the floor with him. He is incredibly overrated as a player, simply because he plays in LA and had one 40 point explosion against a team that was playing without a center (I believe it was the Clippers when Kaman was injured).
This is totally bogus, as most things you post are.
He didn’t have a “serious knee injury”, nor was it the 2nd major injury in his career. He tore his meniscus shortly after coming back from another injury, and even though he could’ve come back if necessary (like Jameer did from the same injury), there was no reason to push it since the Hornets had nothing going for them. He and Deron Williams had played almost the exact same amount of games coming into the past year, but now all of a sudden he’s injury prone.
Bynum is an overrated chump who has never showed up in the playoffs, healthy or otherwise. He basically is a slightly more reliable but less talented Greg Oden. GG.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
How bout this trade possibility with NO and PHX?
by BlueSkyOneCloud on Jul 25, 2010 3:40 AM EDT reply actions
Keep Jameer, Get a Wing
I think Chris Paul is one of those players, a la Nash, who makes everyone around him better. Therefore, if the Magic can pry him away then I’m all for it. However, I was discussing with a few of my friends the fact that it would change the entire dynamic of the team if they lose Jameer, Gortat, etc. I’m a big fan of Nelson and think that he plays with a lot of heart and is very clutch. I believe that since we have an all-star claiber PG in Nelson, rather than restructuring the entire dynamic of our team, we would be better off pulling in a stud wing player and keeping our core of Howard, Nelson, Lewis, etc. together. Someone like Carmelo Anmthony obe ideal, although I’m sure he will resign with Denver. I just think that is a safer bet than unloading three core players, draft picks, etc. for Paul.
Break the Curse
Wings aren't available
I’m sure the Magic would love ‘Melo or Durant, but they’re not moving any time soon.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 26, 2010 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Carmelo is too thug for my liking
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 25, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I know everything is still very much speculative at this point...
But I will not be a happy camper if , hypothetically speaking, the only hindrance to us getting Paul is our unwillingness to take Okafor’s contract and Paul ends up with a team like the Knicks or Blazers.
Tim Povtak
Is never right about anything.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 26, 2010 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
As I said in the other CP3 fanpost
I spoke with someone who has great knowledge on the Magic and what the front office is thinking. He told me that he didn’t agree at all with Povtak and that Orlando would give up anything/take on Okafor and Posey if it meant Paul would be traded here. He did say he didn’t think he will end up being moved at all though. Ben knows the person I am speaking about and can verify his credibility, however I will not divulge whom I am talking about because I don’t know his feelings on sharing a conversation I had w/ him earlier.
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