Berger: Chris Paul Lists Orlando Magic Among Desired Trade Destinations
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 21, 2010 9:47 PM EDT
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PrintKen Berger of CBSSports reports that Chris Paul, a three-time All-Star, Olympic gold-medalist, and the NBA's active leader in assists per game, has asked the New Orleans Hornets to trade him, and has included the Orlando Magic on his list of preferred destinations, along with the New York Knicks and L.A. Lakers. From Berger:
Paul's inclusion of the Magic on his list dovetails with CBSSports.com's report June 30 that star center Dwight Howard has asked Orlando management to pursue a trade for Paul -- although Magic GM Otis Smith said by phone Wednesday that he is unaware of such a plan.
As Berger mentions, this report isn't the first item linking Paul and the Magic. Indeed, earlier this summer Sam Amick and Tim Povtak of NBA FanHouse filed separate reports regarding the Magic's interest in Paul, with Povtak saying the Magic had offered their starting backcourt of Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter for a package featuring Paul.
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pleasepleaseplease!!!!
ill give my first born! and a goat i dont care just get him!
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
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by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jul 21, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
Well this is good news in that we can still be possible a possible destination for Paul if he opts out
the problem is we wont have the cap space to sign him outright
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
opt out?
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
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by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jul 21, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah in like a year or so
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 21, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
player option after next season
and the article is about us getting him via trade NOW not in a year or two
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
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by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jul 21, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Option is after 2011-2012.
(some people might think NEXT season means the upcoming season which is untrue)
your right
i misread the chart lol
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by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jul 21, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that Bird Rights are traded with the player?
This is more of a question than a statement- My understanding of the CBA states that if a player is traded the bird rights go with him. Is that correct?
by The Stan 'Stache on Jul 22, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
No and Yes.
To qualify for this exception the player essentially must play for three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent . There is an exception is the player is traded suring the third year the new team inherits the Bird rights.
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 22, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Otis, this is one trade that you need to make happen!!
Make it happen Otis, PLEASE!!!!
Reddick
I think this might have been what JJ meant we he said ’I’m not sure who they’re gonna bring in.’ I’m not sure if that’s the exact quote, but it was something to that effect. Reddick and Paul in the backcourt. I want a wing player to be thrown in though.
by The Magic Man on Jul 21, 2010 9:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I was thinking the same thing when he had said that
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by Reediculous on Jul 21, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I am sure Otis would not consider a trade without consulting JJ
just like he always keeps the local news informed of his every move!
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 22, 2010 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes please.
They’d get another jersey sale out of me.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
by slickw143 on Jul 21, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
I don’t see any way he goes to LA. They don’t really have many attractive pieces. I have no clue what NY has to offer besides Curry’s expiring, so I think we’re clearly in the best position to get him.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 21, 2010 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
LA would have more attractive pieces they could offer than Orlando
Who is Orlando going to offer, VC/Bass/Gortat? First off, NO would not want Gortat or Bass because you don’t send away under paid super stars to pick up over paid role players. The only teams i can actually wanting Gortat/Bass with their contracts are teams which are contenders thinking that another small piece, another role player would put them over the top, and so they would over pay for role players.
VC and Jameer would never work for NO either. VC would because he does have an expiring. But Jameer would be redundant since the reason they are moving CP3 is because they have Collison. A cheap alternative at PG while being almost as good as CP3. Why bring Jameer over? I think Collison is actually better and is much cheaper. It wouldn’t make sense for NO.
LA on the other hand could offer Sasha’s expring, Odom or even Bynum. Bynum would probably be what NO would want. Although as an LA fan, i would never trade Bynum for CP3. Bynum is potentially a franchise center, and CP3 wouldn’t even fit on the Lakers that well. His talent is unsurpassed at the PG spot, but i personally don’t think PG is that important of a position. I would rather have a 23 year old potentially franchise center than a franchise PG.
Odom and Sasha, i would do.
Yeah, CP3 doesn't make much sense in the triangle.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 21, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
that was my first thought
but it’s not like his talent would be irrelevant in the triange. If LA gets Paul for a Bynum package it’s a wrap. They are already the favorites next year as it is.
One Freaken Second
by magic fanatic on Jul 22, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
why would NO want bynum when they already have okafor?? NO would rather take VC than bynum
in OTIS we TRUST...
in order to get paul, we would prob have to take okafor or posey as well.
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by LakersFoEva on Jul 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
"i personally don’t think PG is that important of a position."
the 1 and 5 are by far the most important positions..
you do bring up a good point regarding their lack of desire for Jameer..but to be frank, LA has no where near the package that Orlando brings..Gortat/Bass/Vince v Sasha/Bynum (one or 2 leg)
Let the rosterbation begin:
Here is a trade that could fit, and would rid them of Okafor, which they probably want to do. (Not saying this would be the best deal or anything, it just fits salary wise)
Not sure if they absolutely would have to have Jameer though, as he is not included in this one. They probably would want him, and I imagine that we would probably want to trade him as having ~28 million tied up in the PG position would be incredibly less than ideal.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26yad5d
Will make up a few more in a minute
Hmm
But that means we would keep nelson? I don’t think that would be possible. We would probably have to find a third team and include Nelson in that trade
Do you think Okafor could start at PF...
I like the trade, but also think Nelson needs to be somewhere in the equation.
PG – Paul
SG – Pietrus
SF – Lewis
PF – Okafor
C – Howard
6th – Reddick
That doesn’t look too bad! We would probably retain Bass in this scenario.
Who is going to be your coach? SVG would hate this team.
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I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 22, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you mean he isn't?
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Jul 22, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Trust me guys, I know stuff.
and Stuff is a better fit for the Magic than Brandon Bass.
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 22, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Stuff would be amazing as a defender.
How would you not get distracted by his nostril attack? He could also silly-string a guy trying to go to the hoop, and that would just throw his FG% all out of wack.
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Knock on wood
but this could make the Heat regret their point guard-less decision.
by Zach Zimmerman on Jul 21, 2010 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
this trade looks good for both teams. =)
in OTIS we TRUST...
the only incentive to trade paul
would be getting rid of okafor and maybe posey.
i think chris paul will join orlando, but jameer nelson, gortat, pietrus, vinsanity, and daniel orton will be leaving.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
No need at all to give up Pietrus
and if Paul is this pissed, I think Okafor is the only guy that will need to go with him. Even in the case that we do need to take on Posey, we can exclude Pietrus from the trade and still match up financially.
by Zach Zimmerman on Jul 21, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
with pietrus
the issue is whether cap relief is more valuable than having pietrus’ expiring contract. i can see why NO would demand Pietrus, but I also see your side.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Too much of speculation and suspense
This trade requires high level of weight and competence on the part of GM. I am not sure Otis Smith can pull this off. But let’s hope he can. That would change my outlook of him forever.
Trade
Carter, Bass, Gortat, And Orton for Wright, Okafor and Paul.
I am not sure if Jameer and he can co exist but I can’t bring myself to trade Jameer. It hurts too much. I love Paul but I would rather an elite Wing player other than a point guard.
I believe the Hornets would insist on Nelson's inclusion.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 21, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
They have high hopes for Collison, but there’s no way they are ready to let him fly solo.
by Zach Zimmerman on Jul 21, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
the elite wings are in miami,okc,denver and indy, not NO,
and jameer can go for Baron far as im concerned
by magicbucssox on Jul 21, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
hell ya, Baron is that dude. kid never got to be with a good team
by magicbucssox on Jul 22, 2010 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions
And he’s 31. We don’t need more age on this team. He’s also owed $13m this year, $13.9m next year, and $14.75m at age 33 (though there’s an ETO). That’s about the same as what Nelson and Pietrus make combined for this year, Nelson, Peaches, and Orton for next year, and Nelson and Gortat for the last year of Davis’ contract. He’s not that good, and is at the age where guards start to decline.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
He's paid almost double what Nelson is, he's older, and not nearly as good.
Why would the Magic want him?
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 22, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
NO thanks!
Injury-prone, poor shot selection, doesn’t play defense.
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peja
do the hornets want to keep him???
Peja/CP3 for Jameer, Gortat, Vince
Jameer
Would Jameer handle coming off the bench? Or could he be traded to Memphis for OJ Mayo and Mike Conley Jr???
I don't think the Magic can trade for Paul without giving up Nelson. And there's no way the Grizz would give up those two guys for Nelson anyway.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 21, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Darren Collison
Plus they have this guy. They would want a backup PG and hand the reigns to Collison. Kid is a stud.
Possibilities
PG-Paul, Duhon, Conley
SG-Redick/Mayo, Mayo/Redick
SF- Richardson, Pietrus
PF-Lewis Anderson
C-Howard, Okafor
Magic can't trade Duhon...
…they just signed him.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
That was a financial move, not a basketball one.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 21, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Can happen? I don't know what the Hornets would want. My belief is that they'll try to smooth things over with CP3 first.
And there’s really, I mean…. he has no control over the situation. He can’t force a trade. But if they decide they’re cool with caving to the best PG in the world, and trading him for pennies on the dollar—there’s no way to get fair value for him—then the Magic have as many trade chips as any.
I’m just not sure how any team could look its fans in the face, after trading a guy like Paul, for some expiring deals and a talented young guy or three.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 22, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm thinking.
He must not have much faith. They’re going to be having a face-to-face with him soon, but those “sources” seemed pretty strong in how they feel the situation is progressing.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
+1
thought about it the same way. i know its unlikely plus it came from others not named chris paul – though other articles and reports have mentioned him saying one thing or another(anthony’s NY wedding etc.) i would love to have him but if he stays professional, then he’ll likely stick it out with NO and wait for free agency. then again, if things dont work out with the new GM and coach, they would want something back for him. then maybe ben’s comment holds true – "and trading him for pennies on the dollar—there’s no way to get fair value for him—then the Magic have as many trade chips as any.
I’m just not sure how any team could look its fans in the face, after trading a guy like Paul, for some expiring deals and a talented young guy or three."
I'm Hoping
NO management can convince its fans that Darren Collinson is going to become a superstar…he did put up amazing stats when he started (somethin like 16ppg and 9apg)
Yeah -- those are Ike Austin numbers.
If you put even an average PG into Chris Paul’s position in the Hornets’ offense, he’d better get 18/9. All the plays are drawn up for the point guard in that offense.
Which is not to say that Collison won’t be a solid NBA starter… but he isn’t a 18/9 guy in the way you would normally understand a guy as being good for 18 and 9. He’s able to get 18 and 9 in an offense designed to get Chris Paul 22 and 11. Draw up the offense in a way which takes Collison on his own merits, and he’s probably more like a 14/7… which is good, but not franchise-player good.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Like minny did?
With KG?
Bleeding Blue Black and Silver for 20 of my 23 years.
by FLYNN47 on Jul 23, 2010 4:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In addition to Kwame Brown...
…the Grizzlies received Javaris Crittenton, Marc Gasol, a 2008 first round draft pick (Donte Green, who never played with the Grizzlies) and a 2010 first round draft pick (Greivis Vasquez).
Marc Gasol has proven to be a decent center (14.6 ppg, 9.3 rebounds last season), obviously not as good as Pau, but is five years younger. Vasquez might turn out to be a decent NBA player.
Of course, Brown and Crittenton are no longer with the Grizzlies, as Brown played all of 15 games with Memphis, averaging 3.5 ppg; Crittenton played 35 games with the Grizzlies, averaging 5.8 ppg.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jul 21, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure the Hornets are interested in Jameer because they have Collison. Plus I don’t see Jameer being happy playing backup minutes. Nelson for Mayo would break my heart but I’d take it.
Neither would I.
Mayo is a ball-hog who doesn’t care about defense. I don’t believe he has the ability to make a team better… he’s no better than his stats, and quite possibly worse.
Anyway, what would the Magic do with two SGs and no PG?
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
I think ballhog is a bit unfair. He shoots at a pretty decent percentage and it’s not like he dominates the ball.
One Freaken Second
by magic fanatic on Jul 22, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Usage rate around 20
The problem with Mayo is that he’s completely average, not that he’s a ballhog.
He’s basically Vince Carter but not quite as good at anything as Carter is, although he’s a marginally better shooter.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 23, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah... maybe I just don't like the guy.
He just doesn’t strike me as a good character guy, you know? He just seems like the kind of guy who MUST have some issues with passing the ball, or hard work, or defense, or something.
And given the kind of lousy state of the Grizzlies’ ball movement, I feel like I’d expect more than 3 assists/2.2 TOs from Mayo. Is that fair? Maybe not. But then again, I went to UCLA. I’m under no obligation to be fair.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
I agree, not really great at much. But I feel like he got a bad rep from his college era. He came to the Griz and was expected to be a selfish ballhog yadayadayada. But he hasn’t been trying to be the first or second option. He plays his role on an up and coming team. He’s even playing Summer League to test out his ability to run the point (won’t happen). Is he a great player? No, but he’s a pretty good shooter and very athletic. He won’t be an All Star but you could win a championship with him as your starting 2 guard.
One Freaken Second
by magic fanatic on Jul 23, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Again?
Seriously, either make this happen, or make this go away. I’m tired of getting excited about CP3 in a Magic uni.
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Jul 21, 2010 11:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
in further addition
It allowed the Griz to sign Wrandolph with the cap space they saved from Pau Gasol. Yes, Wrandolph+Marc Gasol are better than Pau Gasol. Not to mention that this also took the Griz out of “mediocre” land and put them into “crap” land for a few years which allowed them to stock up on that super young super talented core that they now have.
Basically, it was one of the best moves any franchise has made in recent times. It turned a mediocre team into a team with an incredibly talented and incredibly young core which can potentially turn the Griz into title contenders in the future.
They have a solid starting crew. Just need a bench and they should challenge for the playoffs.
Of course, I say “just need a bench” like it’s something that’s super easy to make happen.
The funniest thing about trading Gasol? Supposedly they did it to save money, but then they turned around and traded for Randolph a year or so later, who’s worse on both ends of the court and makes similar money. Why not just keep Gasol then?
No idea. None.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 22, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude.
Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol. That trade was great for one team and on team only. And they have two championships. Yes the Grizzlies have nice young talent, but they will never be title contenders. No point guard they trust. And no Alpha Male. Rudy Gay is not a number 1. Neither is Marc Gasol. Yes they are a nice team and fun to watch but please don’t say they made one of the greatest trades for themselves. Say it outload. Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown. And then repeat it.
by Mateo9399 on Jul 22, 2010 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OK trade for Memphis
but a great one for LA. Just like when Washington didn’t demand Hickson in the Jamsion trade, Memphis had to get Farmar. He’s not a great player, but you got to get those talented young guys with potential if your trading an All-Star. Crittenton was a rookie who was a tall PG, thats it.
Thats why I think Anderson or Orton will be included if we trade for Paul.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
I think not getting Hickson is a bonus.
You just KNOW that guy is going to eat up a lot of playing time, do nothing with it, and then get overpaid by some team very soon.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Pau Gasol for Marc Gasol, really.
Given the contracts, it’s not QUITE as awful as it seems.
Then again, the Grizzlies had no way of knowing that Marc was going to be a good NBA starter when they traded for him. It was a bad trade that worked out okay in the long run.
(For the record, the draft picks involved ended up becoming Darrell Arthur (after a draft-day trade) and now Greivis Vasquez. So if either of those guys works out, the trade gets better for Memphis.)
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Jameer will already go down as one of my all time favorite players
But for Paul, I’d trade him in a heartbeat. If we can get him for our starting backcourt and a second string center, we’d be title favorites in my opinion.
But as Ben said earlier, Paul has no leverage here. He owes NO two more seasons before his player option is due. If I were there GM, I would take a great deal if it came up. However, a great deal isn’t possible when you lose a guy like Paul. Give it another season before you take the expiring contract pu pu platter.
One Freaken Second
This, pretty much.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
fer real.........
bass is saying trade me or play me and the team and it’s fans are sayin’…"shut up, bank your money, learn some defense and practice your three’s………
this is chris paul……what’s he gonna do if they don’t trade him…..lose?? doubt it………..
don’t get me wrong…..who wouldn’t want to see cp3 and d12 line up with shard, q, and jj……that is just sick…………….but highly unlikely
i think we are better off waiting for the dust to settle in miami this year and go after melo next year…….. dwight, shard, melo, q, and mere…….that’s even better than a cp3 team
Just one man's opinion...
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I think
we have a better chance to get CP3 than Anthony…CP3 seems like he wants to come to Orlando while Anthony hasn’t said anything. Plus I think he would prefer NY given that he was born there and played at Syracuse
Three way trade
Magic get Paul Mayo and Oakfor
Hornets get Jameer gortat and zack randolph
Grizzles get Carter and Anderson
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2avdrzd
just hopeful
then Paul opts out to take pay cut and help bring in melo
ok..........that's the dream i will go to sleep with now........nighty night!......zzzzzzzzzzzz : )
Just one man's opinion...
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Grizzlies prolly won't like that.
So you can keep knocking but won't knock me down
No love lost, no love found
check it out
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2gy5uuu
works beautifully
haha, brilliant.
grizzlies give up oj mayo and zach randolph and get rashard lewis.
every trade that works on espn’s trade machine is not worth considering. start with something that makes sense for all parties involved, then see if the trade works.
THIS!
In fact, the first rule should be that any ESPN Trade Machine trade involving the Magic should NOT include Rashard Lewis. I could elaborate but I would be beating a dead horse like Squid is doing below me.
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 22, 2010 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Beat that horse!
It tenderises the meat.
What?
by eltharion_doa on Jul 22, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
We only get CP3 if VC is included in any deal
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
3way with portland?
magic get: Fernandez.Paul,Okafor,West
Por get: Nelson,Bass,Wright,Orton
NO get: VC,Gortat,a POR guy,Anderson
No way Portland facilitates any deal that involves Paul
and them not getting him. They have had their eyes on him for a long time.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
Tease!Tease!Tease!
Enough of it…let’s just do it!!! Get it done!!!
I hate Pau Gasol!
Anyone can come up with a million trade scenarios for this
Most of which are pretty unrealistic. I’d love to see Paul in a Magic uniform, but until a trade is done, I see little point in speculation.
until a trade is done, speculate is all we can do.
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 22, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lakers of course.
They are the default team always requested in trade talks….ignore the fact that they dont have cap space of pieces to trade…we’ll just always include them in trade talks. On a side note, now that CP3 is Maverick Carter’s bitch…you really think that clown would let him get traded to the Magic and ruin LeBron’s dynasty. Interesting…
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Well
The Hornets would be getting gamed, but Paul and Okafor for Bynum, Vujacic and Walton works.
Vujacic is being paid $5.475m next season, which I have no words to describe.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 22, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Or
Toss Posey in to the Lakers and swap Odom in for Walton and that works too, plus gives the Hornets a couple of better players and lets them ditch Posey’s contract.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 22, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Aaaand
Vujacic’s an expiring deal, so they can either bin him at the end of the season to save money or trade him for someone who can play basketball.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 22, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And Luke Walton is getting paid $17 million over the next 3 seasons...
which I have no words to describe.
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To be fair
You can be left speechless at two or three contracts on pretty much any NBA roster.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 22, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Very true.
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New Jersey?
I realize they basically don’t have contracts, but the players they have all seem fairly priced or even underpriced.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
They were doing well
Until they gave a below average Travis Outlaw $35m over 5 seasons.
I guess they had to spend all that cap space on someone.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 22, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
On behalf of the Netsdaily site.
Thank you.
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Jul 22, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Still just silly rumors
It isn’t happening. If I’m wrong about that, then I’m definitely in favor of bringing him in ASAP. I just don’t think I’m wrong.
We can all agree that a deal to bring CP3 to the Magic is financially tenable.
The question is: what incentive is there for New Orleans to go through with it? As far as I can tell, none. They seem dead set on retaining their one star player.
Is there any way CP3 could force a trade? Is he that unhappy?
He can sit out a la Starbury. That never bodes well because the team can attempt to not pay him and he then has to file a grievance, etc. I just don’t see what incentive NOLA has to make the deal. If they do, they’d should rape the team they are trading with. Something like two first rounders and some serviceable players. I just don think the Magic have the capability to do so. I see Bass, Carter, Nelson, and maybe Ryan Anderson all involved but even then…is that even attractive?
I will say this…Pau Gasol for Marc Gasol, Javarris Crittendon, Aaron McKie, and Kwame Brown. Worse trades have happened.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
It won't take all 4 of those players. They will probably want salary cap relief as well as replacement players for what they are losing.
I am pretty sure any deal will be centered around Vince Carter, Jameer Nelson, and Gortat for Paul and Okafor. That trade works by itself, saves NO a ton of money over the long term, an gets them a very serviceable starting PG and starting center.
They'd make us take Posey too
And probably want cash and draft picks while they’re at it.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 22, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hornets May Be Losing Their Mind
Maybe we can cash in on their insanity. They traded Chandler for Okefur after Charlotte WAAYYY overpaid that dude. We would most likely end up being stuck with Emeka, which from a basketball standpoint isnt that bad. He can play the 4 and 5, hes just made of glass.
He can't really play the 4
He’s like Gortat, in that you can put him there, but he’s not very good at it.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 22, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Orlando could build a dynasty around Paul and Howard.
As far as I can tell, CP3’s contract expires when Rashard’s does. We’d have an opportunity to re-sign our two franchise players and build around them.
Let's go Otis!
Make it happen! Alonzo Mourning, Stephen Jackson, Vince Carter, have all forced a trade. And the Magic can offer the best package of expiring(Vince), talent(Jameer), and young prospects(Anderson, Orton).
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
Orton?
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 22, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The DeVos
This all depends on them. If they are willing to take on Okafor’s contract and believe the new Arena can pay them the money they need to do it, then this trade will happen. Seriously what do the Knicks have to offer? A trade exception? And Wilson Chandler? I don’t see him being traded to the Lakers. This depends on if Otis Smith can convince to the ownership to take on a another bad contract. Okafor is basically Gortat and Bass in combined. Might as well turn those two into one player. Less mouths to feed for minutes.
New Orleans has a say in it too. They don't have to trade him to the teams he mentioned.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 22, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the Hornets trade Paul, will they consider the teams Paul mentioned, or will they trade him to the best offer?
Because I’m sure every team in the NBA has called the Hornets to get Paul.
According to the New York Times
Paul has no power to choose his destination. His contract does not include a no-trade clause (they are rare in the N.B.A.), which means he has no veto power. The Hornets would therefore be free to make the best deal for themselves, irrespective of Paul’s wishes.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 23, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Few teams
Would be foolish enough to acquire him against his wishes, though. No point selling the farm for Paul if he’s going to leave as soon as he can anyway.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 23, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If we replaced Jameer with Chris Paul...
Would Paul be the new team captain? Would it then fall squarely on Dwight? I’m not saying that I wouldn’t take CP3, that would make me stupid, but I would be concerned about what would happen to the team leadership roles.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
It might take a little time, but CP3 would eventually become the captain.
He is a born leader, someone to whom Dwight would happily take a back seat (IMO).
More likely he and Dwight would be co-captains.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 23, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
How about this trade?
Orl gets Paul
NO gets Gortat, VC, Bass
Memphis gets Jameer
Conley, Haddadi come to Orlando for salary purposes.
Full trade:
Orl: CP3, Okafor, Conley, Haddadi
NO: VC, Gortat, Bass
Mem: Jameer
Throw in a pick or two to NO as necessary.
I don’t care if we have to gut our entire roster, picking up CP3 with Howard would be worth it and as a duo is stronger than that trio in Miami.
Give them everything they want not named dwight howard or lewis and we’ll still be a championship team with what pieces are left and those 2.
I agree, but I don’t think there is a better version of him in the league besides Nowitzki so it’d be good to keep him in a Paul-Dwight landscape.
Since all the super team talk is rampant, Imagine Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Dirk Nowitzki. That team trumps any 3 out there :-p
by David Polega on Jul 22, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot about Durant moving over to the 4 spot, I just like him more at the 2. To me making your team taller is always the correct choice as long as they don’t suffer for it.
but like:
Duhon
Durant
Pietrus
Nowitzki
Howard
Awe… sizzle
by David Polega on Jul 22, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently, CP3's preferred destination is NY to form his own "Big 3" along with Stoudemire and Anthony.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5401230
A team centered around Paul, Anthony, and Stoudemire (and role players) is not better than the current Miami team (Defense, anyone?). If Paul’s main concern is about winning, his first choice should be the Magic. Paul is meeting with the Hornet’s brass on Monday. If N.O. decides that their best option is to trade Paul (which is a long shot), then this becomes more of a story. For now, it is very speculative. Having said that, if I’m Otis and Paul becomes available, I’m throwing everything I have at the Hornets, outside of Howard. And I would be worshiping at the feet of Devos to beg him to accept any bad contracts.
Not likely to happen
They won have space to sign Melo if they trade for Paul and they wont have assets to trade for Carmelo. Their best hope is to sign Carmelo next year and hope that Paul gets traded after they potentially sign Carmelo. Also CP3 and D12 with the Magic roster would beat Miami Thrice in my opinion as well. Bosh is good but not great. Slightly overrated. Rashard killed him in the playoffs two years ago.
They don't
Even have assets to sign for Paul.
They’ve gutted that roster, the only guys anyone would want are the ones they took from the Warriors for Lee and without them, the Knicks don’t even have a roster.
Paul to the Knicks would be moronic.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 22, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
New York is under the cap, so those players can be moved together.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 24, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly....New York, with those 3, would be a top 2 or 3 seed at best in the East, but not good enough to win it all.
The Magic would give Paul his best chance to win a championship for the next 2 years. I believe Miami and L.A. are slightly more talented than the current Magic roster. I’m not saying we can’t beat them. But getting Paul would certainly close the talent gap and give us a better chance.
Howard + cp3 > lbj/wade/bosh
You’re talking the two best defenders in the league in my book and Pick and Roll Combo thats going to give you points if given even the slightest opening cuz Paul has a deadly shot and an even deadlier alley oop, particularly considering its being thrown to a big man with an over 40" vert.
by David Polega on Jul 22, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
IF (big if) it happens...
I don’t agree with the guy who posted the Lakers have the best assets to aquire Paul. Yes Bynum would be a very attractive trade piece, but with his injury history, he’s also a huge risk. I don’t think the Lakers can afford to trade Odom and if htey could, he wouldnt fit too well with David West and NOBODY wants Sasha’s contract. As for NY, other then the huge expiring deal for Eddy Curry, what else do they have to trade? Obviously Raymond Felton, but I dont know if he’d want to be a caddy for Darren Collison, Felton doesnt strike me as a"well I’ll be a mentor, til this kid is ready to be a star" type. Maybe if they can get a third team involved, but other then that NY doesnt have the assets. I can see Orlando, Dallas and Portland making pretty good offers though.
If it is possible....
GET IT DONE OTIS!
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
Jameer yes
but vc no he has to stay. Maybe trade pietrus or foyle lol. Magic have leverage here. Maybe trade gortat or bass.
we wont get chris paul without giving up vince
and it would be worth it to do so
Magic have no leverage
There are 28 other teams in the league who’ll make an offer for Chris Paul. Paul has absolutely no say in where he goes, so whoever puts together the best deal will get him.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 23, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
come on people- your proposals stink! not one person included ryan anderson!!! im sure new orleans would rather have bass…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28mpq4r
Orl-
Paul
Okafor
Posey
NO-
Nelson
Carter
Gortat
Anderson
Orton
2011 1st Unconditional
2013 Lottery Protected
by thejugs on Jul 22, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
And I'm sure we would rather them have Bass.
The reason that no ones proposal’s include Anderson is because people know he won’t be included, unless absolutely necessary. Bass is a giveaway. He will obviously be packaged in any trade that we will do.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
do you think NO is going to take a package of “giveaways?!”
by thejugs on Jul 22, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
so maybe 2013 is a bit extreme…but i dont think we’re really giving them 6 or 7 great players with great contracts in return.
why not make an offer that can’t be refused?
by thejugs on Jul 22, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
because we would be better off with what we know are 4 solid players rather than 1 great one
VC will be traded eventually one way or another.
Do you know how to use the reply button?
It’s the one right next to the date. It says ‘reply’. Use that when you want to respond to something someone says.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
nah, im ok. you people complain about the silliest things here. anyone want to check my spelling and grammar?!
you wouldnt call okafor a “solid player,” but you would say that about Gortat? doesnt he avg pretty close to a double double?
and, for the record, not saying okafor should be a starter, but he could play on the court with dwight for 10 min a game?! i certainly like the gasol/bynum vs okafor/howard matchup more than gortat/howard.
im sure we could move okafor on a 2 for 1.
if vc will inevitably be traded, shouldnt we maximize what we get for him?
and, if the line in the sand for getting cp3 is anderson and orton, maybe a draft pick in 2011 (my god, how good could our pick be with cp3, howard, lewis, redick, and pietrus/richardson!) then we should go ahead and give miami the eastern conference banner for the next 3 years right now.
by thejugs on Jul 22, 2010 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
Okafor is a solid player
He’s horribly overpaid, not bad.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 23, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
ORL will not give up more than Nelson,VC, and Bass if a trade is made for CP3.
Gortat is too valuable to be included in the deal with the others. True bigs are a rare commodity in the NBA today. Magic simply need Gortat.
by O-Town MagiCane on Jul 22, 2010 11:52 PM EDT reply actions
They'll give up whatever it takes to get Paul.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 23, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Bet not
I have a feeling Howard is off limits…
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
Of course Howard is untouchable, lol. when we say Orlando Magic right now that means in all ways that it pertains to Howard.
by David Polega on Jul 23, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you the Jugs
that were on the cover of Juggs magazine?
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone will be available to NO except for the obvious
Dwight (no way) and Lewis (untradeable)
Everyone else including JJ, Anderson, Orton and multiple picks and cash will be available as well and if it means taking on Posey and Okafor, you will see CP3 in a Magic Uni.
I'm inclined to believe it would look something like this:
NO gets: -Nelson
-Carter
-Gortat
-Anderson
-2 future firsts and cash
Orlando gets: -Paul
-Okafor
-Posey
From a Center standpoint, Gortat is a slight upgrade and at a more reasonable price than Okafor. Carter even at this point in his career is a marginal upgrade over Posey (I know they play different positions/roles, but they are both wings) and Jameer is a downgrade (maybe only marginal) from Paul. You add Anderson and the 2 first round picks to the mix and NO roster looks like this:
PG – Nelson/Collison (or something like that, maybe they move Jameer after for a backup PG and a wing)
SG – Carter/Thornton/Head
SF – Peja/Julian Wright (or wing who they could trade Jameer for)
PF – West/Anderson/Songalia
C – Gortat/Gray
Not a completely terrible team and when you add that they would also now have 4 first round picks in 2 yrs and a big expiring deal in Carter, Peja and Songalia, this team would have rebuilt in a hurry from losing Paul, if done correctly. I am not saying this would happen, just throwing out an idea of what NO might ask for if they CONSIDER trading Paul. Which as BQR has said, they don’t have to do.
Carter is a big upgrade over Posey
Posey’s really not very good.
I don’t know why people suddenly think Carter’s some crap D-league level player. He’s still a top ten SG in this league and a top 75 or so player overall. James Posey is neither of those things.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 23, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
tried this out at the trade machine...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2428lev
not sure if indiana would go for it though… maybe some picks to indiana and NO?
Why is everyone so keen to include Indiana?
I don’t know why they’d be involved.
And there is absolutely no way on this earth that New Orleans would even think about a deal where they added nearly $8m in salary. The whole point of trading Paul is using him to get rid of bad contracts, cur payroll and run like crazy from the luxury tax – adding $8m to their payroll would be the exactly opposite of what they’re interested in.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 23, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Need to include teams that need a PG
like Indiana, or Charlotte, etc… because it wouldn’t make sense for NO to take back a PG when Darren Collison put up close to 18 and 9 when CP3 was out.
If the Magic are able to keep jameer and have him come off the bench, he’d win 6th man every year because it allows him to do what he does best, and that’s score.
by BobbyDigitalFTW on Jul 23, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't agree
The Hornets would happily take Nelson because, even if they don’t play him over Collison, he’s a very attractive trade piece in his own right. And if I were running them, I’d be looking for a guy to split minutes with Collison – I don’t think he’s ready for an 82 game starting role. Get Nelson, platoon him and Collison for a season, then trade Nelson and start Collison.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He played 76 games last year at 27.8 min/gm
and put up 18 and 9 for the 37 or so games that CP3 was hurt. Seems like he’s ready. Why take on Nelson to stunt the growth of Collison who’s proven to be consistent and effective when given the time (unlike Jrue) when they can possibly find a third team in need of a PG and bring in a young wing to play along Collison?
by BobbyDigitalFTW on Jul 24, 2010 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions
They've already got one
Marcus Thornton.
Nelson would be a perfect mentor for Collison, even in 20-22 minutes per game. Plus there’s an aspect of injury insurance as well.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 25, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant more a SF
Julian Wright doesn’t look like the answer so far
by BobbyDigitalFTW on Jul 25, 2010 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
They might prefer a decent wing, sure
That doesn’t mean they’re going to get one. Teams are going to be very reluctant to facilitate the trade of one of the best players in the NBA to Orlando, not without getting significant assets themselves. Far more likely there’s a two team deal, with one of more players sent to NO later traded.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 25, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree with you on Carter. i was just trying to present an idea from the Hornets perspective. and at the same time not wanting to go overboard with my assumptions about Carter and i havent seen Posey play in awhile.
by JeffShann3 on Jul 23, 2010 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We don’t need Carter because we have redick. Certainly losing whatever you think we might at that position is off set by chris paul.
by David Polega on Jul 23, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Dream trade between Magic, 76ers and Hornets
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cwspkr
Magic get: CP3, Iguodala, Brand
Hornets get: Vince Carter, Gortat, Ryan Anderson
76ers get: Okafor, Jameer, Bass
Obviously the Magic come out in spades except for those that will hate on Brand, but if he’s the fourth or fifth option on a team with CP3 and D12 he’s bound to flourish and it allows Rashard to stay around the perimeter to wait on passes from CP3. Iguodala is clearly an upgrade over Vince – younger, better defender and likes to pass.
This allows the Hornets to rebuild around Collison and Thorton with VC’s expiring contract, and two young bigs with a lot of potential.
76ers get a hometown hero in Jameer, and a double-double center that will allow Speights to start and Evan Turner to grow as well as bring along Jrue Holiday slowly.
Throw in A LOT of draft picks and it could happen….
by BobbyDigitalFTW on Jul 23, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
Philly probably wouldnt want to stunt the growth of their PG of the future (Holiday).
This would add a ton of salary to the Magic over the long run, but at least Brand could somewhat attempt to play the power forward position. Igoudala would be great, even though he isn’t that great of a shooter percentage wise.
New Orleans probably thinks they can do better than this though.
I don't think they can...
Nobody is going to trade a superstar for CP3 because it would defeat the whole purpose of him wanting to play on a contender. The best they can hope for are youngsters with potential, expiring contracts and draft picks.
the Magic seem to have the only young big in the league with potential that ISN’T injury prone. I don’t think NO wants Oden or Bynum. All Portland can do is give NO more PG’s and maybe Batum, and the Knicks have to trade basically their whole roster for it to work under the salary cap and I doubt CP3 thinks Amare is better than Dwight. The Magic have the best mix of expiring contracts, young bigs and picks(even though they would be high) for NO to build around Darren and Thorton
by BobbyDigitalFTW on Jul 23, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no way Philly dumps Iguodala and takes back Jameer and Bass
Dumping Brand doesn’t really help. Okafor’s contract has an extra year on it. No way no way philly says yes.
Not necessarily
Dumping Brand helps because it allows Speights to start at PF and Okafor to start at C. Speights was killing it last year before he got hurt. And the 76ers brought in Iverson to boost ticket sales, and since Jameer is from philly that could do the same trick but with MUCH better production. They found out that Iggy can’t be a franchise player, so they can turn over the franchise to Evan Turner and see if he can be one. Even though Jrue showed flashes last year, he’s still a couple years away from being consistently good.
by BobbyDigitalFTW on Jul 23, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Brand's a much better low post scorer
and has a decent mid-range game which might fit well next to a defensive presence like Dwight. Plus, I bet he’s smarter than Bass and will grasp Stan Van’s schemes better which seemed like the reason that Bass hardly played. and by being a fourth option on a Contender it’ll take off any pressure of him having to carry a team.
I wouldn’t take Brand outright but it seems like that would be the only way to get Iggy like people are saying the only way to get CP3 is by taking Okafor’s contract.
by BobbyDigitalFTW on Jul 23, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No, that's Joe Johnson
Brand’s still top five, though.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Brand
May have got benched, but he still put up 15.5 and 7 per 36 minutes. and only Dalembert had a better defensive rating.
Horribly overpaid, of course, but he’s not a complete bum. He’d be a useful player on a MLE type deal.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 25, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Same as before
Hornets just aren’t going to take on salary, and they’re not going to give up Paul without ditching both Okafor and Posey or Songaila.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 24, 2010 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions
They wouldn't be just taking on salary
Vince’s contract would be expiring just like Peja’s which would leave with a ton of cap room next summer and they get two talented bigs to build around Collison and Thornton for when David West eventually leaves. Adding Posey or Songaila wouldn’t change much, just add Pietrus and whoever else to match salaries.
by BobbyDigitalFTW on Jul 24, 2010 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not exactly expiring. If they don't want him, they still owe him $4 million.
Sending $3 million (maximum allowed) in a trade covers most of that, but it’ll still cost them money.
You don't need to add Pietrus
Salaries only have to be within 125% of the lowest salary value, which is the rule the Hornets will try to take advantage of in a trade, by giving out (say) $30m in salaries and only taking back $25m, so they get an immediate saving this year, regardless of whatever happens with expiring deals next summer.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 25, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Philly just get a young starting center for Dalembert in Spencer Hawes?
And, while I was an advocate of trading for Iggy last year, it doesn’t make as much sense now that Dalembert is in Sac-town.
Collins apparently LOVES Iggy. And your arg about Iggy not being a franchise player works against you. Now that Philly has Turner, Iggy doesn’t have to be the go to guy. He’ll get to play the well rounded side kick.
by thejugs on Jul 23, 2010 5:54 PM EDT reply actions
eh
I think Okafor is a better C than Spencer Hawes (at least defensively) and his contract is relatively cheaper than Brand’s even if it’s year longer.
Collins loves everyone. He loved Kwame Brown once. But it seems like Iggy’s always in trade rumors and it will always be his team as long as he stays and the Sixers may not want that with Evan Turner. This trade would be more about bringing home Jameer to sell tickets, developing Speights, and allowing Evan Turner to be “the man.”
by BobbyDigitalFTW on Jul 23, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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