Orlando Magic News for July 20th: An Unsettled Locker Room? Plus, the Latest on Matt Barnes
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 20, 2010 2:00 PM EDT
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Print- J.J. Redick Wants to Start, Brandon Bass Just Wants to Play - Eric Freeman - The Baseline
In light of J.J. Redick's recent comments about wanting to start, and Brandon Bass' not-so-subtle reminder that he wants a rotation spot, Eric Freeman wonders if the Orlando Magic's locker room will be less friendly this season.
This lack of salary hierarchy is effectively a recipe for in-fighting and discontent, the kind of things that can submarine a season if they're not handled correctly.
The Magic don't have enough minutes for all these players, particularly in the frontcourt. It seems as if they have to trade [Marcin] Gortat and Bass for pennies on the dollar just to avoid locker room trouble.
- Brandon Bass Says Play Me or Trade Me | Magic Basketball
Eddy explains what Bass needs to improve in order to crack the rotation, and why he's already lost minutes to Rashard Lewis and Ryan Anderson. He makes a salient point when he observes, "Everyone for the Magic, except for Bass, is a good fit," and that the onus is on Bass "to change that, one way or the other."
- Here’s why Matt Barnes’ plans to go to Toronto might have hit a fatal snag – Orlando Magic BasketBlog
Last night, it appeared as though Orlando Magic free-agent forward Matt Barnes was headed to the Toronto Raptors. Now, the deal appears to be off. Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel explains why that deal is impossible under the salary cap.
- Twitter / Brian Windhorst
Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer says this flub lets the Cleveland Cavaliers back into the Barnes sweepstakes, though they aren't offering as much money as the Raptors were.
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the baseline picked the wizards over the magic in their start-of-the-year power rankings last season, so keep in mind where that is coming from.
With how much hype John Wall has been getting....
you’d think he’s the 2nd coming of Oscar Robertson.
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Oops.
Misread that. Anyway, yeah Deveney seemed really high on Arenas returning to his “Superstar” form and didn’t expect the Wizards to trade away 3 of their best players. Not to mention the gun incident.
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even before that, they weren't even close to being the 7th best team in the league.
they weren’t even very close to being a playoff team. in my mind, there’s absolutely no excuse for a call that bad.
Agreed.
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I have a feeling the Magic players get along better than the fans at OPP.
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
THIS!
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JJ said that he would love to start, but would do what is best for the team.
he acknowledged that Vince is the starter, for now, and that he would continue to play his role for this team. u guys should know better than anyone else, that these guys are professional. im not saying professionals dont ever act unprofessionally, but Orlando has a great group of guys. point in case, last year when Marsh wanted a trade (or for us not to match) and didnt get one. he sucked it up towards the end of the season and had phenomenal backup minutes. at the end of the day, i feel that despite ppl’s desires, in the heat of a championship run everyone (on our team) buckles down and is in it to win. i’ll be the first to tell u, our team still has plenty of work to do but lets not forget the 12 years prior SVG’s term.
I didn't get the feeling J.J. would be upset...
Though it seems he wouldn’t mind if Carter was traded.
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i dont think anyone would, except vince, would be upset if vince were traded.
all the more reason, imo, for VC to be working his tail off this off-season and attack the basket more during the season.
That's a great point that's often overlooked.
Vince had a mediocre year but I don’t it was a lack of effort. Next year, he will be a year older but it will also be his second year on the team. If JJ keeps improving, he might be a starter when VC and the Magic part ways.
by The Stan 'Stache on Jul 20, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
My $0.02
I think it’s over-reaction from Baseline. As has been noted, JJ said he’d like to start, and he think everyone’s goal is to become a starter. Note that he did not say he thinks he should be the starter over VC. Yes, Bass said he wants more playing time or a trade. So did JJ a couple years ago. He was quite the locker room cancer, that JJ. Ended up bouncing around the league, couldn’t stick with any team because of his ego…eh? What’s that you say? He’s still with the Magic? Oh, bollocks, so much for that parallel.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
JJ. Redick's range-finder drill.
http://stacktv.stack.com/video.aspx?videoID=1701226699_128
Why shouldn’t JJ Start?
by Thisgirlsballin on Jul 20, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
even with his old age and inconsistency...
He still strikes some sort of fear into other defenses because of his random ability to pop 25+ points at any given time…
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Jul 21, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It's more than that
If teams leave him open he’ll knock down shots repeatedly. He’s slow but still has insane vertical, an ability to hit ridiculously tough shots, is a great passer and genuinely dislikes losing. Having Q instead of Barnes should give us the space and defensive adjustments we weren’t able to get against Boston because they constantly left Barnes open so stop the other 4 starters.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Kids, it’s not a Christmas wish list, it’s a business and Orlando has $90+ mill on the books for next season. Backup players with reduced roles need to do their talking on the court. Gortat has to prove he’s better fit for backup PF than RA or Bass. J.J. needs to prove he’s better fit for the starting role than VC (he’s made a strong case already). Carter’s more talented & a much better rebounder on a team that values rebounding and has a SF starting at PF. J.J. has the skill and work ethic to be the starting 2 on the Magic but Carter is still the better player so Redick starting right now isn’t a good thing for the regular season. If and when we run into Boston in the post season (do this for the regular sesaon also) then I’m all for J.J. getting the starting SG spot for defensive purposes. VC gets gassed trying to chase Allen around so the solution is to bring in track star/ 100 meter specialist Redick which will give VC fresh legs in a 6th man role where he would have great opportunities on the offensive end. It would be similar to last season’s ECF where VC & Redick basically split the SG minutes but would be done in a way this time that would maximize our players for the duration of a given series.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Agree. players need to earn their minutes
Bass and Ryan were giving backup PF role to Gortat at some point in the Celtics series.
VCs Value Runs Out Sometime in February
At the trade deadline. I believe Vince gave it all he had this past season. I dont think he loafed, or was lazy. Hes old and hurting. He can still play, but unless the Magic have the best record in the east and are really kicking ass, I dont think he will be with us past the deadline. Why do I have a bad feeling Otis is going to trade VC for Jason Richardson?
We can get a much better player for VC's expiring contract than Jason Richardson.
If he was old and hurt why did he play horribly at the beginning of the season and then play great throughout the entire second half of the season (minus the playoffs)???
VC’s contract will still be valuable in the offseason before the draft. He will absolutely be traded by draft night. I have no doubt of that.
Please tell me who is this guy?!?!
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 21, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
that can be traded for VC
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 21, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Getting Dragic would be AWSUM but...
no way does Phoenix give up its heir to the throne at PG once Steve Nash retires.
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by GameManager on Jul 21, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
We Probably Could Get More
But this is Otis Smith we are talking about. Next season we will owe Vince 17.3 million. The following season is a team option that will pay him 18 million. To trade him after the season I think we would have to pick up the team option, meaning whoever we trade him to will inherit his 18 million dollar salary for the 2011-12 season. No cap advantage for a trading partner and no worth to the Magic at all. I think thats how it works, could be wrong. Maybe someone will chime in that knows for sure.
Thats Good to Know
He had a couple of good months with us, and I want to see him do well for the team and because hes a homey. But the tank appears to be empty. I really hope he proves me wrong this coming season.
Bass
1. Trade him if we can get something for him. If not, I doubt he’s a big enough personality in the locker room to cause headaches.
2. I’m pretty sure the Raptors can just about fit Barnes salary into their remaining cap space, as long as they’ve structured their other FA deals correctly.
To expand a little on point 2
Because I’m feeling very cap geeky today:
Salary cap is set at $58.1m
Raptors have $43.96m committed, excluding cap holds (they also have Sonny Weems, Joey Dorsey and Dwayne Jones under contract; however these guys deals are unguaranteed)
Therefore they have cap space of $14.1m, give or take
Amir Johnson signed a 5 year, $34m deal, which backloaded, breaks down thus:
2010/11 – $5.5m; later years 6.08, 6.72, 7.42, 8.2, total $33.91m
Linas Kleiza signed a 4 year, $18.8m deal which, backloaded breaks down thus
2010/11 – $4.15m; later years 4.48, 4.84, 5.23; total $18.7m
Matt Barnes was reportedly offered 2 years and $9m which, backloaded, works out thus:
2010/11 – $4.3m; then 4.64; total $8.94m
Total first year contracts: $13.95m. The figures might be slightly off, but I’m pretty sure they have the cap space – if they choose to use it.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 21, 2010 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions
To clarify the expansion
Toronto have the cap space to sign Barnes, Kleiza and Johnson provided they renounce all cap held players, their exceptions (including the Chris Bosh TPE), waive their unguaranteed contracts, and correctly structure the three deals.
If there’s a snag in the deal, it’s because the Raptors haven’t done some/all of these, and can’t/don’t want to.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 21, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess they don't dig Matt Barnes enough to rid themselves of their only consolation prize for losing Chris Bosh
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 21, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I think too
But I wish the media would report it that way instead of the way they are.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 21, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
JJ and VC
Both are known by letters only…JJ can get you 15-20 per game, perhaps an occasional 27. VC will get you about 13-17, but 2 more assists. And VC can still go for 40. Start VC, JJ off the bench and we lose little…
How can you say that?
What’s your reasoning for saying, “JJ can get you 15-20 per game… VC will get you about 13-17” in your post? Vince is still the better scorer, and I’m a JJ fan but it’s unrealistic to think he can average close to 20ppg.
I apologize
That was supposed to be a reply to mike in munich
Why Canada?
The logic behind leaving a contender to play with a sub .500 team blows my mind. Matt Barnes is doing the same as Hedo, playing past his prime and only looking for money.
JJ’s quotes seemed very respectful of VC and SVG, he understands his role here on this team and was honest about wanting to start eventually. The Magic need to focus attention on making one more small tweak and it should involve moving Bass or Anderson
Probably
Because you’ve spent your whole career being underpaid and you finally have the chance to make a decent amount of money.
If he goes to anyone but the Cavs now, he’s going to be being paid the same sort of money, or less, than he was on in Orlando. He wants to actually earn what he’s worth.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 21, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously? JJ's comments seemed innocuous to me.
It’s not like he was saying he wanted to start over Vince this year, just that he’d like to be a starter at some point.
Whats the main complaint for Vince being on the team?
I wanted the Magic to win the whole thing this year too and I like how JJ has improved a lot , but is it honestly fair to use Vince Carter as a scapegoat….I mean seriously! VC is a star yes, but he’s not the star of our team. Last time I checked the Lakers won the championship and Kobe didn’t have perfect games every game throughout the playoffs. Lebron was suppose to be the best player in the league and his team lost even with the best record throughout the season.,,,,,so where are all these cries for a trade coming from….I can understand if the guy has been arrogant, but compared to Kobe and Lebron he seems like a nice humble guy.
p.s.
JJ watch your back…some of these guys like you now, but 2 years ago before the playoffs they were hating on you, they can be fickle! lol
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