Stanley Robinson Faces Uphill Battle to Make the Orlando Magic's Roster
While fans around these parts met the Orlando Magic's selection of project center Daniel Orton in June's draft with skepticism or indifference, they greeted the addition of combo forward Stanley Robinson warmly. Robinson, a four-year senior at Connecticut, uses his outstanding athleticism to make solid plays on both ends of the floor. His body and iffy jump shot drew comparisons to Magic forward Matt Barnes, who's due to announce his new team any day now as he leaves the Magic in free-agency. I'm not the only person who thought the Magic drafted Robinson as Barnes insurance, so to speak. Mark Deeks, whom you might know better as ShamSports, had the following to say in Part Two of his massive, must-read draft diary:
....And now they can let Matt Barnes walk.
[....] Robinson runs the court, rebounds, dunks, blocks, can play terrific and versatile perimeter defense, and post-up a touch. He is not much of a ballhandler, shooter or creator, but even though those skills are kind of fundamental, you can easily contribute without having them. And as Matt Barnes himself has proved, jumpshots can always be learnt.
But since Draft Night, that perception looks decidedly less accurate; that's not me bagging on Sham, by the way. He said what a lot of NBA observers believed. Robinson was never a lock to make the Magic's roster, as he is a second-round pick and as such not guaranteed a contract, yet now the odds are stacked against him.
After the jump, a quick look at his Orlando Pro Summer League game log, and a few reasons why he's going to have to fight for a roster spot this fall.
| Date | Result | Mins | Pts | Rebs | Asts | Stls | Blks | FGs | FTs |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 5 July | L, 86-77 | 19 | 4 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1/4 | 2/2 |
| 6 July | L, 78-73 | 15 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2/5 | 0/0 |
| 7 July | L, 94-91 | 11 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1/1 | 0/0 |
| 8 July | L, 80-78 | 12 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 2/2 | 0/0 |
| 9 July | W, 80-77 | 25 | 13 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5/10 | 3/7 |
| TOTALS | 82 | 27 | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 11/22 | 5/9 | |
| AVERAGES | 16.4 | 5.4 | 5.2 | 0.6 | 0.6 | 0.8 | 50.0% | 55.6% | |
His Summer-League performance jibes with his college profile: he's a guy who relies on his remarkable athleticism to make an impact, which he did on this gorgeous windmill dunk. But he often struggled to do that in Summer League, rarely getting touches. During Summer-League play, I spoke to a source familiar with the Magic's thinking who said that Robinson is "deficient" in every part of the game that doesn't involve athleticism, which he said would make it "tough" to play successfully under Magic coach Stan Van Gundy.
There's also the issue of fit. Robinson would thrive in an open-court system which maximizes his gifts, as he did at Connecticut, where transition opportunities accounted for nearly one-fifth of his possession usage during his senior year, and he produced 1.275 points per possession on 71.2% shooting, according to Synergy Sports Technology. But Orlando isn't a running team. Synergy shows that the Magic ranked 23rd in transition-generated offense last season, and Tom Haberstroh of HoopData tells me the league average is 12.5%.
Now, not to be too reductive, but if Robinson's best asset is his ability to get out in transition, but the Magic do that only a little more than once every 10 trips, what is he to do for the other nine possessions? He can't spread the floor or create his own shot. My guess? Float on the weak side, have no defender within 8 feet of him, maybe crash the offensive glass when someone else shoots. In other words, nothing particularly useful for a team that plays the way Orlando does.
What's more, when I asked GM Otis Smith about Robinson last week, he said Robinson will have to really impress him in training camp in order to earn a roster spot:
He's going to come into camp and have an opportunity to make our team, force me to carry 14 guys, is what I'd like for him to do. We like to go in with the idea we're going to carry 13, but it's not uncommon for us to add a 14th guy.
To do that, I believe he'll have to add something to his offensive game--a three-pointer would be a nice place to start--and hone his off-ball defense. Barnes went through seven teams through his first seven pro seasons, and will make it eight this summer, assuming he doesn't revisit one of his previous stops. Training camp is Robinson's best hope to avoid a nomadic NBA existence such as Barnes'. He has potential to carve out a role as a situational defender in this league. But with Vince Carter, Mickael Pietrus, Quentin Richardson, and J.J. Redick, the Magic are already four deep at the wing positions--five deep, if you believe Rashard Lewis can still capably play small forward, about which I have my doubts--and a raw athlete with poor offensive skills like Robinson doesn't figure to be featured prominently in a championship-caliber team's plans for too long.
But he will have a chance, come September. Let's see what he does with it.
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cheap hustle players are good
I dont know but if you can get a guy for under 1 mil. that plays with hustle and energy he is an asset to me. Even if its only on the practice squad. But thats easy for me to say while I am not paying the penalty tax.
Thats me chilling with Nick Anderson
by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Jul 19, 2010 8:33 AM EDT reply actions
Every team...
needs a “Rudy”. Some one who is going to work harder than everyone else. Now I know he doesn’t have much of a jump shot but this kid has “Gerald wallace 2.0” written all over him.
All he needs to do is make something happen if he gets playing time, he doesn’t have to try and WOW coaches with supreme ball-handling skill or the world’s purest jumpshot but he has to work hard and develop his game. He has all the athletic ability and (from his interviews) the drive to be a very productive player. Not to mention, this team needs young players to take over roles when the older players start to wane.
All I can think about when i see him is that we had three players here that were of the same ilk but had no where near his athletic ability or general talent (except one). Bo Outlaw is now a community ambassdor for the organization, Trevor Ariza is averageing 16 points a game, and Ben Wallace was an All-Star.
Otis, get this dude on the sideline.
Now there’s someone I wish was in a Magic uniform. If you had to trade Quentin richardson, gortat, and anderson for him it’d still make the magic a better team, lol.
by David Polega on Jul 19, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Last year:
Ariza: .488 TS, .462 eFG, 8.8% TRB, 5.5 rebounds/36, 3.8 assists, 2.2 turnovers, 1.7 AST/TO
QRich: .572 TS, .558 eFG, 10.6% TRB, 6.5 rebounds/36, 1.6 assists, 1.1 turnovers, 1.45 AST/TO
Ariza’s a better passer, but Richardson’s a better shooter and rebounder. You could argue for Ariza being better long-term due to his age and potential, but to suggest that trading QRich, Anderson, and Gortat for Ariza would make the Magic better is ludicrous.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
i don’t put a lot of stock into our third back up improving the team at all. If you think bass is the third back up then switch Bass in.
You conveniently leave out pts per game in that stat line and ignore the fact that Houston didn’t have Dwayne Wade while trying to force Ariza to be their go to scorer.
by David Polega on Jul 19, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Points per game ignores the discrepancy in minutes per game. Now, Ariza does score more (14.7 pts/36 to 11.7 for Q), but he does so in a less efficient manner. Houston also played at a much higher pace – adjusting both of them to a 100 possession game, Ariza would score 13.6 per 36 minutes on a neutral pace team, while Q would score 13.1. I’ll give up half a point per 36 minutes for better rebounding and a higher conversion rate that means more shots for Howard, Lewis, and Nelson.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Which is why you probably thought Vince carter made us for sure champions as well.
Ariza is better than Q, and any team would take him over him. He’s younger, more athletic, has a ring, and plays much much much better defense. offensively he’s still a kid and the Rockets are tying to ride him like he’s kobe byant, of course stats form last year will look trashy. The funny thing is even in the terrible situation he’s in his numbers look better than Q.
by David Polega on Jul 19, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the Rockets were trying to ride him for anything.
He was taking ill-advised 3’s frequently. Adelman has two guys who were much better, efficient scorers in Brooks and Scola. Those were the guys he was riding.
Ariza just is a role player, he’s nothing more. He won a ring as the Lakers’ 5th best player. Oh boy.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Out of the players that played significant minutes, Martin and Landry also had higher useage rates than Ariza.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Oh yeah, forgot about those guys.
Landry because he’s not on the team anymore, and Martin because he was on there for a short time. So yeah, “riding him like he was Kobe” is wildly inaccurate.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Lets see
Richardson is a better shooter, a better rebounder and a better defender than Ariza, but you would give up Richardson and 2 valuable players for Ariza.
Now you are just talking bull trying to start an argument.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 19, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say Q is a better defender than Ariza.
Ariza’s stats suffered due to the fact that Houston was trying to make him their #1 option because he was pretty much the only person who could score the ball on their team the first half of the season. His shooting percentage improved significaly when Kevin Martin was traded to the Rockets. It should be even better this year if Yao stays healthy for a significant amount of time. I would take Ariza 100 times out of 100 over QRich, but to trade 3 players for him would be a horrible move to make.
Saying richardson is a better defender than ariza is the primary bull here. If you pinning your hopes on Richardson being what he used to be, you’ll be more dissapointed then people who were hoping VC would jump form the free throw line and dunk it during a game last year.
So you acknowlege Richardson is a better shooter and rebounder. Ariza is a career 32.1% 3-point shooter. He is worse than Barnes and Barnes was luckily replaced since he opted out and gave Otis a chance to bring in a better shooter.
Q, Ariza and Barnes are all average defenders, so why would you not go with they guy that fits the system best?.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 19, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If you compare derrick Rose’s stats to tohe rpoint gaurds you’d think he’s just another point gaurd. But since he did it as the only offensive threat the bulls had through double teams he’s considered one of the top point guards in the league and anyone in the know knows the guy is a monster.
I believe thats the point he was trying to make, the stats your citing don’t tell all.
also because i don’t believe Ariza is just an average defender.
by David Polega on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Amy! (or should I call you David in drag)? Statistical analysis in basketball cannot be ignored.
Mony people let personal perception blur the facts. But statistical analysis cut through perception and reveals the true facts underlying performance. Rose is an above average player (PER = 18.6 for example) while being a average to below shooter.
Ariza is not an average defender, he is slightly below average. “No one is so blind as he who refuses to see”
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 19, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I never said stats were a useless tool, but to look at them as if they were in a vacuum is twice as ridiculous. Turkoglu comes to mind.
by David Polega on Jul 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Amy and David were created from the same IP address, for what it's worth.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 19, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Epic.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
She’s my girlfriend, you can check it on facebook if it makes ya feel better as I we both sign in with our facebook accounts.
Do what you can to discount me outside the argument, I don’t really mind.
by David Polega on Jul 19, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Given that you already resort to the strawman method of claiming people said things they never said, my sympathy for you is exactly zero.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
If I really suspected you were the same person, I would have banned both accounts.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 19, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then cheers :-p
You don’t wanna ban me anyway, I make active threads and if nothing else more discussion is good for the site. And I’m a die hard Howard/Magic fan.
by David Polega on Jul 19, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
you guy and stats kill me..
you can’t just stand by stats that doesn’t define how good a player is. it’s not enough.
It goes both ways though. You can lean too heavily on stats just as easily as you can lean too heavily on observation. You have to strike a balance.
I agree
But there seems to be too much “stat tossing” compared to actual gameplay and “worth”.
“sigh” -Anyways, back to working on graphics.
That sample size seems very small.
I mean compared to Orton, who had all the chance to impress, but didn’t. But BQR’s watched the guy, and I haven’t.
I’m hoping he makes the necessary improvements, simply because of his physical gifts that no one else in the Magic have. The team is quite undersized outside of the centers.
Boy am I glad that Otis is the man in charge
David, keep your evening job
Yeh, i could have made a brilliant move like bringing in carter.
Besides I know that trade wouldn’t happen, but I honestly believe with Ariza at the 3 Orland would have had a ring last year.
by David Polega on Jul 19, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
The Ariza Trade Turned Me Against Otis
I dont know if having Ariza last year would have gotten the Magic over the hump. But I do know trading him for a couple of journeymen like BRIAN FREAKIN COOK AND MAURICE FREAKIN EVANS was perhaps the worst thing Otis has done as GM. You cant teach size and athleticism. And those are things, like Robinson, Ariza has in abundance and the Magic sorely lack on the wings. Robinson will have to earn it, but keeping him around as the 14th man looks pretty good right now. We’ll see how training camp shakes out.
I’m just tired of after every trade orlando makes I end up feeling bad for howard before the end of the season because everything should be working, even if Howard scored 0 points. The man is grabbing rebounds like Dennis Rodman and Playing Defense like Bill Russel and his team can’t pull it out?
And for me at least, Quentin Richardson is another player thats going to fall into that 3/4 effort inconsistent scorer that has been holding the Magic back from the begging.
by David Polega on Jul 19, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So let me get this straight
Your problem with Richardson is that he’s an inconsistent scorer, so you want to trade him for Ariza, who’s a flat out bad scorer.
Now that’s logic.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 19, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No I want to trade him for Ariza because of hussle and defense. An inconsistent non competitor like Q rich isn’t going to help the magic at the 3, where as artest would.
by David Polega on Jul 19, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
If all that mattered in the NBA was hustle and defense
Udonis Haslem would be All-NBA.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 19, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Trading essentially Lee for Vince and Anderson was a great trade.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
I’ll agree if we stop hoarding assets and start trading them. I’ve said it elsewhere trade piece are only valuable if you trade them.
by David Polega on Jul 19, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If the right trade comes along, I am sure Otis will do it. He said around 18 teams inquired about Gortat, but none of the offers were good enough.
Trade pieces are valuable players, typically (except for the usually expiring contracts that are so valued in today’s nba market). Having too many players can’t really be a bad thing, especially when some of them are pretty young and cost-effective (Gortat/Anderson/Bass).
Good point.
They are not just “trade assets.” They are contributing players, too…..otherwise they would not be desirable targets of a trade. It is not like we’re sitting on some useless pieces (well, maybe Bass…but I think even he could play a role).
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 19, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
When someone's big man goes down during the season and needs one, offers will go up.
Someone will go all-in to try to win now, especially someone like Mark Cuban.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Lets hope Marc Gasol goes down so we can get OJ Mayo
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 19, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes, no! Tell Memphis to hold the Mayo.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 19, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t think the rest of the league values gortat where orlando does so we’re gonna end up with nothing for him or RA and stuck with a team I don’t like against the Heat or Lakers. At least with Ariza I’ve seen his hussle in the playoffs, he is a competitor and another competitor besides Dwight Howard on the team would be… well, just nice.
ipse dixit
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 19, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Dallas
Values him at least as much as Orlando does and for his skill set, at his position, at his age, $6.7 mill is cheap. Think Game 6 vs the Sixers when Gortat had to fill in for the suspended Howard. Think Games 1,2,3 & 4 of round 1 against the Bobcats. Building leads with Dwight on the floor and being able to keep them while he gets rest is a luxury very few teams have at backup C so the Magic probably won’t come off Gortat unless it means a significant upgrade at a starting position.
Jameer & J.J. are both competitiors. Rashard & MP were both competitors during our Finals run and were both competitors last season up until the ECF. Dwight’s domination of the game may give the appearance that he wants it more than everyone else but most of that is just his natural ability shining above everyone else.
If we had Ariza we’d be better defensively but teams would cheat on the closeouts to make sure it’s Ariza taking the open 3 like they did with Barnes. With Q at SF, the Magic’s offense should be as lethal as it’s ever been and having Dwight patrolling the paint should makup for some of Richardson’s lack of D.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
it should be similar when we had Turk at the 3
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 19, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Except Quentins about 5" shorter.
I’ll reserve judgement on Q until I see him on the court. You never know how different team situations will play out for individuals.
Q shot the 3 better than Turk did last year
although his career 3 point percentage is lower than Turks
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 19, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind, Miami is doing the Charlotte Hack-a-Howard by committee at center thing.
The have 4 mediocre centers, as did Charlotte. It appears to me that they watched the Bobcats series and decided a similar approach would work since thay cannot afford a quality center. Gortat will be very valuable in this situation to give Dwight a rest after having these gorillas hanging from his arms all night.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 19, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wallace and Jackson
Along with the Bobcats stiff squad and Larry Browns game plan made life very tough on Dwight and the Magic. Imagine what Lebron and Wade are going to do with the same game plan. If there has ever been a time we need a traditional defensive minded 4 its now. Dwight needs someone on the court at the same time helping him in the paint when teams deploy that strategy.
Yeah, too bad, none of those other guys besides Howard put in any effort at all.
Just coasting all the time.
One competitor + 12 lazy, uncompetitive bums.
Howard must be super-duper, like really good to pull along a team like that all the way to the ECF. Wowwie-wowzers!!
/sarcasm
Straw. Man.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 19, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW
Dwight is SUPER-DUPER, like REALLY GOOD and 99% of the reason the Magic have a great defensive team.
Sure Dwight is the defensive anchor, but he's NOT the only one giving any effort.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 19, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Defend the Rim
And hopefully keep him out of foul trouble. It sucks out loud when your most consistent offensive threat has to take a seat 4 minutes into the game.
They are not going to Hack anyone but Howard. 4 power forwards will not change that.
Having another inside player just cuts down on Dwights outlet opportunities.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 19, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Whilst I agree that Ariza being traded for Evans and Cook is woefully bad on Otis' part, hindsight always has 20/20 vision
Looking at some basic stats, Maurice Evans was posting career highs in his only season with the Magic. And Ariza was going nowhere with his lack of shooting touch in the Magic. You’re not gonna thrive in a system where you’re all length and athleticism and no decent shooting stroke. I suppose that’s BQR’s argument with Stanley Robinson – I do hope he finds himself a 14th man role by November.
Ben.
You have:
Synergy shows that the Magic ranked 23rd in transition-generated offense last season, and Tom Haberstroh of HoopData tells me the league average is 12.5%.Hoopdata looks like a broken link. And the actual % number for Orlando’s transition offense looks like it was left out. You allude to 1 in 10 at the beginning of the next paragraph, so my guess is somewhere around 10%?
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
One at a time.
Its not hindsight looking back on the Ariza trade. I knew from the moment I heard it was a disaster. It killed me watching him destroy us in the finals. It was obvious the season we traded Ariza we were not contenders and could take the time to develop him. Cook played about 5 minutes with the Magic and Evans increased our win total by about 2 games.
Second: Our 1 in 4 out only works when the 1 “in” is a beast. When said beast is sitting on the bench because he was surrounded by 4 matadors on the perimeter we have to abandon that offense anyway. Its not that they are lazy bums, their just not great defenders. I’ll take Dwight, 3 shooters and a help defender in the post over the 1 in 4 out with Gortat anyday.
Not saying we abandon the 1 in 4 out all together.
But the Magic need the traditional 4 option when needed.
you bore me, learn a new song, please.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 19, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
How About This One NC
“l thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them”. That applies to Dwight as much as did to Zo.
Why do you think I have it in my tag line?
Duh!
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 20, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So our great help defender comes over to help Dwight. At that point said help defender's man is standing wide open beneath the basket. Who exactly guards that guy?
Dwight does not need help on interior defense whatsoever. He is the most mobile big man in the entire league. He is quick enough to stay in front of most perimeter players and has quick enough hands to even get some poke aways and steals. He can also show on any PnR play to the man with the ball and get back quickly enough to defend the roll man. He does not need ANY help for interior defense. Orlando statistically had the greatest interior defense in the league last year, that sure doesn’t sound like anything is lacking, whatsoever.
All these “I hate the 4-1 philosophy” guys wouldn’t be saying ANYTHING if we had won a title the past two years. We were 6 wins away this season, and just 3 games away in 2009. Rashard Lewis is the main culprit and takes a lot of blame for the supposed lack of success in our system. The main reason for this is because of his enormous contract. Instead of arguing that the system isn’t a success (Hint: It is very successful), people should just say that they don’t think Rashard fits (which he does). He played badly in the Boston series, but as I have mentioned in one of the threads today, he has been arguably our best clutch performer in the playoffs since he arrived here three years ago. Don’t try to trash a system because one guy had a bad 6 games, during which he was ill and on IV fluids just so he would be able to play.
rashard is not the main culprit here...
Jameer Nelson IS THE WORST DEFENDER ON OUR TEAM! aside from dwight and barnes last year no one on the magic played defense. it’s the whole reason dwight is always in foul trouble. Rashard has been playing out of position since he signed with us a few years ago. he’s a 3 playing the 4 because it’s the eastern conference.
Now that the East is pretty nasty he HAS to move back to the 3. think of him as a better hedo. I really think we need to just trade bass and start anderson at the 4. I like bass’ hussle but he’s just too short to play the way he does. unless he turns into sir barkley in the off season he needs to go or atleast come off the bench.
I don't understand your logic
You say the 4-1 offense works when the 1 is a beast (which Howard is), then in the next breath say that when he’s benched, we have to abandon it (logical, fine). But then you say that you’d prefer a help defender for Dwight, despite saying immediately before that when he’s on the court, the 4-1 works fine :cab:
If you want to make the argument that Gortat needs an inside help defender, that’s a different story. But I can’t see how you think Dwight needs help when you admit he doesn’t.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 20, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Saving his fouls
Dwight doesnt need a physical protector, he just needs someone to eat some fouls for 3 quarters. If a team is using the Bobcats model of taking everything at Dwight, throw Bass or Gortat out there with him to keep him on the floor. If Dwight can make it to the 4th quarter with no more than 3 fouls we are in good shape. Hes the focal point of everthing we do on both ends of the floor. Keeping him on the floor is priority number 1.
Because keeping Howard out of foul trouble is totally worth tanking the offense. And defense.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 20, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
And surely they would foul Bass or Gortat instead of Dwight.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 20, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys should try out for the Magic Dancers.
Seriously, you are way better cheerleaders. You are right MagicMark, if the Magic had won 2 titles using the 1 in 4 out I wouldnt say jack. Also, if my aunt had a penis, she’d be my uncle. The fact is, she doesnt and we have another SECOND PLACE banner and another division title. WOOHOO, WHENS THE PARADE? ALL the Magics success rides on having the best defensive center since Bill Russell and SVG coming up with a game plan to utilize the rest of our completely average roster. Now we are going to have one of, if not the highest payroll in the NBA and might not even win our division. We are a Dwight injury from being last years Knicks. BRING BACK JOHN GABRIEL! If Grant Hills ankle had healed correctly guy would have never lost his job.
The Magic would still make the playoffs without Howard.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 19, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Magic fans should not root for the Magic until after they winn 2 championships!
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 20, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
wasn't john gabriel a hockey guy?
pretty sure i remember reading that somewhere when he was being fired…Otis may not be the best GM but he’s sure as sugar better than that idiot…remember when he made that amazing deal for steve francis? that was friggin Sweet!
/end sarcasm
I think I read somewhere NYK has John Gabriel in their front office along with one other former NBA GM.
Otis is doing a great job. I’d rather have a long term, permanent GM who is active like Otis, but realizes the patience and continual-learning that comes with a long term role.
Gabriel is indeed consulting with the Knicks.
by Evan Dunlap on Aug 16, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions

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