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Like It or Not, the Orlando Magic's Roster is Nearly Complete

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After matching the Chicago Bulls' offer sheet to J.J. Redick, the Orlando Magic's roster stands at 12 players. GM Otis Smith needs only to add one player to fulfill the league's minimum roster requirement before he can effectively call it a summer, and we're just nine days removed from the start of the free-agent signing period.

So, barring a significant trade, the Magic's rotation is set. Jameer Nelson and Chris Duhon will run the point. Vince Carter, J.J. Redick, Quentin Richardson, and Mickael Pietrus man the wings. Rashard Lewis will dominate the power forward minutes, with Ryan Anderson and Brandon Bass fighting for scraps. Franchise cornerstone Dwight Howard holds down the middle at both ends, with nightly relief in the person of Marcin Gortat. Daniel Orton plays center too, but won't do much playing at the NBA level this season, or next. Not to be overlooked? For the fourth straight season, coach Stan Van Gundy will patrol the sidelines.

This is your team. These 12 men, and a third point guard to be signed later, and perhaps rookie combo forward Stanley Robinson, if he wows Smith enough in training camp. And, when accounting for luxury tax payments, this group will cost team ownership over $100 million this season, the first in the team's new facility, the Amway Center.

There'll be time later for all sorts of analyses and breakdowns. But now's as good a time as any to point out that, hey, the season's still three months away, but the Magic team that takes the Amway Center parquet for the first time in October is the same one that exists merely on paper now.

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I know Barnes likehood of returning was in doubt but J-Will is definetly out?

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on Jul 17, 2010 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Anthony Johnson!

Get us back to the finals! He was the missing piece last season =]

by ap3604 on Jul 17, 2010 7:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

All kidding aside tho, J-will is NOT coming back...

Why would he come back without playing time available vs joining Miami as a regular part of the rotation?

by ap3604 on Jul 17, 2010 7:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If the money is the same, why not?

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 17, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Players want to play and be a part of the rotation is why J. Will wont be here...

The Magic made their commitment to Chris Duhon already instead of J. Will.

Did you see Anthony Johnson play at all last season? Do you think J. Will wants to be treated like that behind Nelson and Duhon? No chance.

Why not go to Miami where he could either be the direct back up to Chalmers or even start?

by ap3604 on Jul 17, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOUNG! YOUNG! YOUNG!

What’s the point in having two veteran PG’s but having nobody for them to learn under. I remember when Darell Armstrong helped groom 2 no name PG’s to starting gigs in the NBA. Anyone guess the 2 players I’m referring too?

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jul 17, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He would be the #3 PG in Miami, too

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, Miami is rumored to get Arroyo so even if he goes there it would be for 3rd place.

I’d rather have him here just to see a half court bounce pass every once in a while.

Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.

by 44792212 on Jul 18, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

most

The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.

by ben_gleicher on Jul 17, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the perception he's not good "in the clutch" is off-base.

Honestly, his playoff career has been a mixed bag, but last year’s team was the first team with any kind of legit expectations in the playoffs, and he’s well past his prime. Criticizing Vince for not doing well in the playoffs is like criticizing Mitch Richmond or someone else who was never on a real elite team for the same thing. Vince struggled in last year’s playoffs against arguably the two best defensive teams in the league, and did well against Atlanta. I think he only really gagged one time, and that was of course on the free-throw line, but at the same time he single-handedly kept us close in the first half of Game 6. Again, mixed bag.

In the regular season, he certainly has a history of making amazing plays in the clutch, so it’s like he’s incapable of it (I think my favorite, and also the reason a lot of people hate him, was how easily he just blew by his defender against Houston for a baseline dunk to win). Unfortunately, he’s not going to shut up his detractors until he wins a title, which is a bit unfair, especially at this stage of his career where he’s not “the guy” anymore.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on Jul 17, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He comes off the books next year I believe

We could be in play for Free Agency o Rama II.

by telka on Jul 17, 2010 10:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You do know how the salary cap works, don't you?

Take another look at next year’s contracts.

Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."

by magicfaninTN on Jul 17, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont be like that magicfanin

Vince’s contract is a team option that has a 4 million buyout for the last year. So its not expiring on its own

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jul 17, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't trying to "be like that"

my point was telka posts/reads here often enough to be familiar with the salary cap structure. If he looked at the total contracts for 10-11, it would be apparent that Orlando is still over the cap, even if Vince’s contract were completely off the books….hence no opportunity for being it the big-dollar FA market.

[And, I don’t mean to be argumentative, but how is it you can be posting to an online forum and claim to not have access to team salary or cap info when that stuff is easily accessible on the same internet?]

Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."

by magicfaninTN on Jul 18, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think it would be obvious...

I didn’t have that information available, hence the words “I believe”. I’ll try to make things a little clearer for you next time.

by telka on Jul 18, 2010 6:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ShamSports.com is the best source for salary information

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, we couldn't

We’re over the luxury tax threshold with or without Carter, let alone the salary cap, let alone having enough room under the cap to sign an elite FA.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 18, 2010 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

When will it ever end? Never is my guess!

During the last offseason there was some debate regarding Vince Carter on this very message board. A select few (only me) kept on saying that VC was NOT a winner. That this was proven over his then 11 year career, only making the playoffs in 6 of them while never making it past the 2nd round of the playoffs. The excuses came far and wide, and despite VC being on some pretty good teams, the typical excuse was that he had never had an elite team. Well, he got that elite team last year with the Magic. What did he do? Well, just show his true colors once again! When the Magic needed him, he went missing. It was just the numerous obvious choke jobs like the missed free throws in the dying minutes of a tight game (clanked both of them while the Magic were down a couple points with a minute or so in the game, causing them the game and perhaps the series). It wasn’t just the numerous choke jobs. It was more the disappearing acts when the Magic required his services.

Look, some people got “it” and some don’t. With the level of talent VC once had, and to some extent still has a bit, you ccan always tell the people with “it” apart from the people without “it.” Just look at their fingers. If they have all their fingers full of rings like Kobe with his 5, then they’ve got “it.” If they are bare like VC’s, then they don’t.

by plyka on Jul 18, 2010 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carter had his rough moments in the Boston series, sure

…as you pointed out, but so did most of the other Magic players at one time or another in the series.

The Magic losing the series to Boston was a team loss in the truest sense of the word. IMO, no one player deserves the blame… they all deserve part of the blame.

Orlando Magic... 2010 Eastern Conference Finalist

Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 NHL Stanley Cup Champions!!

by Mike from Illinois on Jul 18, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

On your evidence

Nobody in the NBA can ever win a title except people who’ve already won titles.

Jason Williams has a ring, so he’s a “winner”, yet he was awful in the playoffs.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 18, 2010 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's how you know an argument is weak!

When you start arguing technicalities, lol. If you had a real argument you wouldn’t be wasting time arguing what the true meaning of “is” is.

by plyka on Jul 19, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe you misunderstood

I’m not debating the meaning of the word “is”, I’m ridiculing your ludicrous suggestion that the fact Vince Carter doesn’t have a “fist full of rings” means Orlando won’t win a title.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 19, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Carles Barkley does not have it and should not be in the Hall of Fame??

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is talking about the hall of fame?

Was Charles Barkley a very good basketball player? Yes. Was he an all time great? Definitely not. Maybe he is in the top 50 or so, but if he wanted to be in the top 15 like a guy named Duncan, then he needed to win some rings. Defintiely.

There is more to basketball than just the on court play. To win a championship, every team has its leader. The heart and soul of the team. This guy is the foundation, he is what gives everyone else strength and the confidence to win. Charles Barkley could never be this person. He didn’t have the ability to be a winner.

And don’t tell me he didn’t have opportunities. For many years he was part of some GREAT teams. Teams which were relatively just as good as the Magic have been over the last 2 years. With these types of teams, real winners..well, they WIN.

They don’t allow opportunities to go unfulfilled. Plain as that. What Barkley a winner? No, he was not. He was a loser, by defintiion for the last guy trying to argue technicalities, lol.

This has nothing to do with the hall of fame. This has to do with being a great in the sport. If Barkley never had a team which was competitive, i’d still blame him because it was in his power to change that. But that’s not even the case. Barkley was on some great teams that had the ability to win it all. Unfortunately, Barkley didn’t have the ability to lead them there. Unlike Duncan.

by plyka on Jul 19, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

So John Stockton and Karl Malone didn’t have “it.” Apparently “it” is a combination of decent team mates, luck, and crappy things happening to other teams. Steve Nash is a loser. Elgin Baylor was a loser. George Gervin was a loser. Dominique Wilkins was a loser. Lebron James is a loser. There are good ways to measure a player’s ability. Then there are bad ways to measure them. Then there’s plyka’s way.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jul 20, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

saw that vid the other day, reminded me how good he is, lol i thought i was like the only magic fan that still believes in vince

by magicfan07 on Jul 17, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

the few. the proud.

The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.

by ben_gleicher on Jul 17, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.

by 44792212 on Jul 18, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it's a shame people think he doesn't have it anymore because he does

What he doesn’t have is that swagger, like I’ve said over and over again. If he would play with the mentality that he’s the best player on the floor and on his team WHEN shooting, then he’d make a much high % of his shots.

by Raptorel on Jul 18, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he had that mentality last fall.

You saw what it did to his shooting percentage, and you saw what it did to Rashard. Yeah, Vince can be a damn good player for this team, but the Magic traded for the guy they saw in New Jersey - a guy who passed the ball. Vince was just getting used to that role in the latter portion of the season. I feel like everyone will be on the same page next year, and everything will be much better. Look at the second half of the season. Then look at the leap the Magic made between ’07-08 and ’08-09. I feel they can make that leap again.

I call him LeBron Jim for short.

by 3.3seconds on Jul 18, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well yeah, besides his lack of MENTAL effort sometimes, my biggest dissapointment was his assist numbers

But frankly, he had the ball in his hands much much less than in his New Jersey days. Still, he missed the open man way too often for my liking and it’s an unpleasant surprise considering how good of a passer he is.

by Raptorel on Jul 19, 2010 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

The highlight that begins around 1:30 almost made me cry.

Only because we will NEVER see a move like that out of him in a Magic uniform.

by gatorboi352 on Jul 18, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

our roster now looks really great

i honestly am pissed off about the whole miami thing, everyone knows that queen James has told all theses guys they will make millions in advertising through his marketing company to get them to come to play, i have paid for season tickets this year and honstly before the year begins it feels tainted and fake. I guess we will see what happens…

by Vanek on Jul 17, 2010 8:14 AM EDT reply actions  

You look at the roster and realize

Orton is the only one who is not starting quality. JJ, RA , MG and BB have never had major starting minutes in the NBA, but any one of them could. It is a well rounded, deep roster that should win 55-60 games baring two major injuries. The playoffs are always a crap shoot, but I like our chances.

As for the Heat, they should withdraw from the NBA and go on tour with the Globe Trotters.

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 17, 2010 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

On Miami

I think Miami will be beatable this year. It might take a season for them to figure out how to find a rhythm. Each of the “Three” is accustomed to scoring 40% of his team’s points. Well, that’s not going to happen. So for the first year, at least, I think they’ll be vulnerable. Once they figure out how to get all three players in a groove, though, it’ll be hard to defend them.

The key at that point will be to defend as best you can, and just put in more points than they do.

With the 4-1 strategy back for another season in Orlando, Charlotte is better equipped to stop the Magic than Miami.

by MagicPhan on Jul 17, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just see it being difficult for D-Wade and LeCon to play together with one ball

One will have to become the alpha dog and the other may not be able to deal with that.

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 17, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I've said before

I think James is happy to cede alpha dog status. He just wants to have fun.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 17, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna start worrying about Miami when they can start using the Midlevel and BAE

Good veteran’s will probably play for less to play there. Alot like what happened with Artest and LA.

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jul 17, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point in Lebrons career I think it's evident that he enjoys a flashy pass almost as much as a posterization.

The dude can pass the ball which is why Miami will use him as a point forward and play Wade at the point with Mike Miller at the two which might force the opposing team to also run without a true point guard depending on their defensive abilities. I can’t see the Magic being able to keep Jameer on the floor if Miami goes to that type of lineup. Wade is also a underrated passer. He did play point his rookie year.

by Swag4dazE on Jul 18, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

LeEgo is not going to be anybody's biatch

After the fiasco on ESPN, you really believe he thinks he will let Wade be the top gun. Was Santa good to you last year?

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you were the same person who said that Wade Bosh and James

wouldn’t take pay cuts in order to sign other quality players and look what happened. Do you know how many “game-winning shots” Lebron passed up because he was double teamed? Quite a few, and I doubt he would have a problem passing to Wade in the clutch. After all, he did go to Wades team. Your opinions are always bias and in favor of the Magic so I guess this will just be another, we’ll wait and see, type of response.

by Swag4dazE on Jul 18, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a Magic fan blog. If you want people to praise LeBron, go the the Heat fan blog. You would not be missed here

And you believe a guy who goes on Larry King and says he is the ring leader and then goes on ESPN in the greatest show of ego I have ever heard of will suddenly be happy being just another guy feeding the ball to D-Wade.

Could you share some of what you are somking with the board please.

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole "Decision" was a fund raiser for a charity.

You’re ignorance is apparent. You blind yourself by being a “true magic fan”. I’ve went to every home playoff game for the past two seasons, but I’m not going to completely bash on other teams and players simply because I’m a magic fan. I’m a SPORTS fan and don’t give one sided, untrue, and bias reviews of every topic like you. Grow up.

by Swag4dazE on Jul 19, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

the fact he could use his decision to generate money for charity in any form has to count for something.

Him leaving millions on the table and going to a team where he’s not THE man to pursue what every athlete should want, to win, really changed my perception of him. I think he revolutionized the future of the game by opening other superstars eyes and showing it’s truly not all about the money and personal accolades if you love the game enough. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a CP3 or Carmelo in Otown next season to combat this Miami team. I know I’m sounding like I’m all over Lebron’s jock but I think he did a really cool thing by going to Miami and unless they’re playing the Magic, I’m rooting for them.

by Swag4dazE on Jul 20, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well let us all hope for the best.

I got this feeling that we’re going to rule this coming season. Hopefully this feeling is correct.. More power to those who believe in Magic!!! Blue White!! ignite?? can we change that one?? LOL

The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..

by silenthero07 on Jul 17, 2010 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Most teams have no window. Rejoice! We are not the Raptors.

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing much has changed roster wise

VC might have lost a little bit of his athleticism as he ages, but here’s hoping another year in the SVG system will do him well. Same goes for Bass
RA hopefully will be hitting the gym and he’ll be a better defensive player; for Rashard I can only hope last season was an aberration for him, with the suspension and all.

Orton will basically take over Foyle’s role as the big benchwarmer. Hopefully his teammates will do him a favor and blowout some teams letting him some garbage time.

The upside of this “veteran elite” team is very encouraging.

by RL Magic on Jul 17, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Rashard resurgance will depend on Vince

Vince needs to be more aware of his options when he drives the lane. 3 or 4 dish outs to Rashard could make a big difference in the perception of both players talents.

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 17, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

I think everyone within the organization is hoping that Vince can carry over his second-half into this season and understands how he fits in the offense. I think Otis would’ve tried harder to move him if he didn’t feel Vince could give us one more go.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on Jul 17, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

VC will play better next year

he will benefit a ton from a last years experiences. I still wish we could package him in a trade but there isn’t any blockbuster talent to be had. Nonetheless, I don’t see his athleticism fading too much, and like slick said, his understanding of his role and surroundings will be a huge improvement. His defense is still a liability but we all should see a more refined VC.

by Swag4dazE on Jul 17, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

the main thing vince needs to do

is study jj “ironman” redick’s workout and conditioning routine. i thought vince looked noticeably out of shape last year (relative to his standard world-class athlete status)

by Half-man Half-gortat on Jul 19, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the roster and hope the new Amway will be sold out throughout the year

Does anyone has a speculation number on what the new Amway may represent as revenue on a season?

Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.

by 44792212 on Jul 17, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Luxuery Suites to pay the Luxury Tax!

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a question?

I know how most magic fans as myself feel about Vince Carter but when he is a free agent next year would you guys welcome him back if he is willing to take a smaller role say a 6th man??? Just Asking

by JGutta on Jul 17, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Depends on money

I have no problem with him back on the team if it makes financial sense. He’s a good guy.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 17, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I agree with you, for me most of my reservations about VC come from a financial standpoint

He earns so much – I expect him to do a lot. If he stays past his current contract, that would be great. But I would think there’s another team who would pay him more in 2012 (assuming the world still exists then haha)

by RL Magic on Jul 17, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't see it. Maybe he'd get something similar to Ray's contract he just signed.

I imagine he would take less money to stay with his hometown team since he really was enjoying it. He’s got a restaurant here and his drug reheab clinic. Especially if we win/come closer to the title this year, I feel like he’d give us a hometown discount.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on Jul 17, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not get too quick here.

Carter is still the Magic’s starter, and an above-average NBA starter at that. Given his improvements from the first to the second half of last season, I fully expect his ‘10-’11 season to be better than his ‘09-’10 season. I certainly wouldn’t automatically assume that the starting job won’t be his for the taking next year.

I call him LeBron Jim for short.

by 3.3seconds on Jul 18, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like it.

As an already great basketball team, the only thing we could’ve done this summer was make a huge move (unlikely) or not take a step back. Otis has made sure that we have not regressed in terms of talent, and now it’s up to the players to get better. While other teams are making splashy moves, our continuity will help us. If we are using the logic that our guys are becoming smarter basketball players together, then we are definitely a more dangerous team. Obviously we are all very interested to see what happens with Dwight this year, as he made great improvements last year.

Also, the Magic always play better when they aren’t the frontrunners. I think at the beginning of last year we were pegged as top contenders and it hurt our energy a little bit. We only got it back after that horrible month of January, when we were starting to get written off. Then, we became frontrunners again when we entered the Boston series and I think that clearly hurt. This year, the Magic should have a definite chip on their shoulders after the ECF from last year and now with the Superfriends in Miami getting all the attention.

As always, injury hopefully won’t be a factor. Luckily we have depth at most positions. I’m really hoping for a full year of Jameer.

The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy

by cgsimone on Jul 17, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

im going with like it not!

by thejugs on Jul 17, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

i’m a bigger believer in moving bass, gortat, and carter.

in my humble opinion, there’s still work to be done to make this team THE championship contender that we’re so close to being.

not saying we don’t have a chance…but also not saying we couldnt improve with moving those three (carter, bass and gortat)

by thejugs on Jul 17, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will agree on Bass, but when D12 is in foul trouble, we need Gortat to step in

And I don’t see anyway to trade VC for comparable ability. Vince is a top 15 SG in every HoopsData catagory except steals. Statistically his PER is 17.1 his ORtg is 112 and his DRtg is 105, compared to average players at 15.0, 105, 105.

Perhaps the best write up on Vince is on ShamSports, a site that tends to show no sympathy to any player; I quote

When first arriving in the league, comparisons between Vince Carter and Michael Jordan were inevitable. They are the same sort of height, same sort of build, play the same position, had similar skills, and even went to the same college. Vince quickly demonstrated an extremely skilled all around game, and quickly developed a reputation for clutch shots and game winners, along with his unrivalled dunking ability.

Then, it went a bit tits up. Surgeries on both knees, accusations of quitting on his team (founded ones at that), and often being called soft for shooting so many jumpshots, have kinda of knocked him down in the public’s estimation to a second tier player. People seem to great take joy in hating on him, even those who weren’t in any way emotionally affected by the whole final-season-as-a-Raptor thing.

What people like to overlook, though, is Carter’s elite all-around skill set. He’s one of the best passers for his position, and can rebound and play defense far better than he is credited for. Carter’s offense consists of the athletic stuff you’d expect from one of the league’s better athletes, and also a superb jumpshot from all ranges. He’s also one of the finest clutch players of a generation, and one of the greatest last shot players of all time. But this doesn’t get talked about much, because it’s all just too positive.

It’s true that Vince hasn’t won anything, or even progressed very far in the playoffs, apart from that time that he took the Raptors to within one shot of the Eastern Conference finals in 2001. (Vince then took heat for taking the shot, which is non-sensical. Would you rather Morris Peterson took it? Really? No, I don’t think you would.) It’s also true that Vince takes a few too many 30 footers. But he’s not the kind of player that only takes jumpshots, contrary to popular opinion – in the 2006/07 season, Carter’s shot selection indicates that 66% of the shots he takes are jumpshots. This seems high, but when you compare it to his peers, you’ll see that considerably worse jumpshooters like Dwyane Wade and LeBron James shoot 62% and 66% respecitvely themselves (for the record, Kobe Bryant had a jumpshots-taken percentage of 77%, and Tracy McGrady’s was 80%. Vince’s doesn’t look so bad now, does it?)

Still, as a general rule, Joe Public’s opinions are two years or so behind the times. This is why some people still think that Melvin Ely is a young player with potential. So maybe one day, they will come around,and recognise Vince as the fine talent that he is, who has kept up and extremely high level of performance for only a decade. Or maybe they’ll instead just call him a jumpshooting pussy who never maximized his talent.

Maybe we’re both right.

- 5th March, 2009.

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 17, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would have largely agreed until i actually watched him last year. i thought we would be a much better team with him than turk. now, not sure thats actually true.

it’s quite possible that trading bass, gortat, and/or carter would land us a backup center. and, i know im in the minority on this, but i think orten could be a good defensive oriented backup center next year.

by thejugs on Jul 17, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orton is a likely to be a good backup next year as he is to change how his spells his last name.

The guy is two years away from being a 3rd stringer. Did you watch the summer league games? He was hopeless!

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 17, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

All he does is block shots

He can’t score or rebound.

If we can improve, I’m OK with moving the three guys you name, but I just don’t think the deals you want are out there. You seem to think trades in the NBA are as simple as wandering up to a team and going “we’re taking these guys, you get these guys, thanks for playing” but it’s not. Carter has little value, Gortat has some and Bass is somewhere in between. None of them are going to bring back an elite player or Otis would have already done it.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 17, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

ouch…i thought the only proposal i made that was, perhaps, unrealistic was indiana! and, i admitted it would be a hard sell…and i included nelson.

so…i dont think stars grow on trees that we can pick off for brandon bass!

could we get equal value? ehhh…maybe…

if orton improves his rebounding, i do think he could be howard’s back up instead of gortat. we certainly dont need him to score!

by thejugs on Jul 17, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orton's a rookie

And an exceptionally unpolished one at that. He’s not going to contribute for a couple of seasons, if ever.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 18, 2010 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

With fairness

to the guy you’re responding to, i think 95% of fans are like this (crazy homers). I can’t remember how many “JJ HIckson + Anthony Parker for Chris Paul” comments i’ve read, or “Dejaun Blair + Desmond Mason’s expiring contract for Lebron sign and trade,” etc.

Fans are mostly homers and come up with ridiculous trade scenerios, most of which bring them Lebron and Kobe while only giving up 2 year off expiring contracts. I’m not sure if this guy is any worse, probably the same as the rest.

by plyka on Jul 19, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy with our team

I don’t see us having another January ‘09, which was a struggle to get through. I’m looking forward to this season. Miami has some great players, but I still see them as being very beatable, just like Boston.

by Candi Believes on Jul 17, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Miami

You should read the article (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-heatfreeagency071610) and then wonder if the great players can play a whole season together. All that I have read or seen says that trash Lebron will not fit into the threesome as everyone believes, not for a complete season. We will just have to wait and see. I hate to see Wade and Bosh get tangled up with Lebron.

by far-way on Jul 17, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

could you prove this statement? I am a regular reader of Woj and don’t have that impression.

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah. Here it is

There’s never been a young player deliver on the hype – even exceed it – the way that he’s done. There’s never been a young NBA star so swept away with the trappings of his celebrity, fame and a world available to a two-time MVP.

James has it in him to completely dominate these next two games, to transform himself from the maligned MVP into the triumphant conqueror of critics. What he refuses to acknowledge is that the immensity of his talent is a big part why people are apt to come down so hard on him. Still, circumstances have changed for him. There’s too much talent on these Cavs and too much of a cast for James to slip out of this series untouched. He loves the drama, loves the attention and it comes in Game 6 with a fury that he’s never witnessed in his life.

Yep, he praises LeBron and challanges him to show the world that he is a superstar. LeBron fails to deliver, but it was all Woj’s fault.

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Wojnarowski hates anyone

He calls it like he sees it and doesn’t pull any punches, which is what you want from a columnist.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 18, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like him

He doesn’t pander to the prejudices of homers for any team, which is perfect for a national columnist, even if it annoys all the rabid fans who believe anyone who doesn’t think their own favourite team is an odds-on favourite to win the next five championships is a “hater”.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 19, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the style of writing that bugs the s outta me (and I don't expect quality litterature in a sport column)

I wasn’t commenting on the “hater” thing. If you like the way he writes and the way he shifts and blows everything up just to keep in a certain tread, it’s OK, I ain’t trying to change your mind.

Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.

by 44792212 on Jul 19, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going to hope for 3 things.

1.) Dwight sees what’s gone down in Miami and adopts the Kevin Durant mentality and wants to beat them instead of be huge pals with them. Comes back with a Hakeem-circa-94-like season and just puts it all together. Thinking a 25/14/3 with 3 blocks/game kind of season.

2.) Continuity trumps talent. Another year together, more hunger from the guys after what happened last year and this off-season. They have to take some notes from that Boston team last year to see what is possible when they fully embrace and understand their roles on the team.

3.) Relatively injury-free. They’re going to happen, of course. But I’m hoping for 70+ games from Dwight, Jameer, Vince, and Rashard.

If those 3 happen, I believe the team will be right there for the title.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on Jul 17, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

THIS...

pretty much sums up all of my thoughts as well.

I'm a dude!

Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U

by GameManager on Jul 17, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hakeem? No chance...

Hakeem was all about footwork and pump-fakes. Dwight is all about pure power.

If anyone on the team averages 25 ppg though, I hope its Vince =]

by ap3604 on Jul 17, 2010 7:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nobody will average 25 points

Too many weapons, too many other guys to take shots.

We might have four guys average 16+, though.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 17, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't saying Hakeem's game.

I was speaking to the impact on the season. A la Dwight having an MVP season.

Also, I think it is certainly possible for Dwight to average 25 points a game. Especially the older Rashard and Vince are, I’d rather the point break down go like this: Dwight 23-25, Jameer 16, Rashard and Vince 15 each. I want Dwight to take the reins a bit and be the go-to guy on the team. Whether that’s going to happen or not, I can’t say.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on Jul 18, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This team will win 60 games

With our roster I think the Magic will win 60 games this season.
But I also think that we will see one or two more trades made during this season.
Gortat and Bass are great assets that other teams need and will pay a higher price for later on.
Lets not forget folks that we are one of the 3 best teams in the NBA right now.

by ROBERTOHENRY on Jul 17, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

JJ

I’m glad JJ is back in the Magic uniform but in the back of my mind, I wonder if he is happy about the Magic matching the Bulls’ offer?

by far-way on Jul 17, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not worried about that.

JJ said he’s willing to take a bench role on a championship contender. With how much he’s improved and considering Vince’s decline, JJ will probably see even more minutes this season.

I'm a dude!

Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U

by GameManager on Jul 17, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link.

I'm a dude!

Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U

by GameManager on Jul 17, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

JJ likely would have taken less if Otis had made an offer early. I do not disagree with Otis' position of letting the market set the value and think, over all, JJ's deal is fair to all.

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 17, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

if overpaid, probably not by much

Anything less than full MLE would have been turned down by Redick, and even then, he might have wanted to wait to see if another team would offer more years

by Half-man Half-gortat on Jul 19, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Giddy?

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 17, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gassy?

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 17, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rofl

Great response =]

by ap3604 on Jul 17, 2010 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

We went to the finals in 08?

/Just bustin ya chops Squid

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on Jul 18, 2010 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

This team is damn good.

I think VC will have a better overall year with the team, and consequently by playing together more/understanding each other better, so will Shard. Dwight really could avg. 25 a game if he improved his FT % slightly. Hopefully VC has started to understand when he creates, he doesn’t have to just create for himself anymore. He can now pass and create shots for others, and trust that they will make them. I think he will and I think Jameer will have his best statistical season w/o major injury. (Peak of his prime is my reasoning for this, and its just a hunch) I think JJ will embrace his role again and come back even more hungry than next year. Hopefully Gortat’s agent gets in his ear about actually playing hard again because it can only help his chances of getting out of Dwight’s shadow. If this falls into place, we will be right there again and I said it before in another post but think about how much talent was on our Olympic team this past year. (I know, different rules/tourney set up but bear w/ me) Now think about the talent level of the teams that the USA team played. Our Magic team is better than that Spain team. That Olympic team was astronomically more talented than this Heat squad. The outcomes of those games in the Olympics vs. Spain and Argentina were not exactly locks throughout.

by JeffShann3 on Jul 18, 2010 1:43 AM EDT reply actions  

The Magic will be too. So will the Clippers.

The Heat’s issue will be having enough rocking chairs on the sideline for their bench players.

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good god! I just looked at the Heat bench players!

I am impressed, look at that bench!

Anthony 2.7 ppg
Magliore 2.1 ppg
Howard 6.0 ppg
Arroyo 6.1 ppg
Jones 4.1 ppg

How will the league ever decide which one is 6th man of the year. Dam, thats 21.0 ppg from the bench!

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhh, Miller's a starter.

So you can keep knocking but won't knock me down
No love lost, no love found

by 4QB on Jul 18, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

:O

I thought Miller was a starter.

So you can keep knocking but won't knock me down
No love lost, no love found

by 4QB on Jul 18, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, they could go either way with it.

Chalmers-Wade-James or Wade-James Miller in the backcourt.

Either way, I don’t see them playing Haslem as the starting center — that guy may be their second-best post player, but he’s undersized at the 4, let alone the 5.That’d be like playing Bo Outlaw at center.

I call him LeBron Jim for short.

by 3.3seconds on Jul 19, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but those guys don't need to produce a lot.

I’m quite sure Spoelstra will leave at least 1 of the Miami Thrice on the court whilst one or two of them rests.

The Magic’s only trump card against the Heat is Dwight. Lebron’s not gonna play 5 on 1 against us anymore, and Wade will become more triple threat than ever.

by RL Magic on Jul 18, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you think Reduck is a member of the JJJ?

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 18, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

aside from the vets like

dooling, jwill, AJ, diener and quinn (from sentinel – i know, i know, its the sentinel) what do you guys think about javaris crittenton as the 3rd string pg?

by ka_paowee on Jul 18, 2010 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

No thanks

Don’t want anyone who brings guns into locker rooms on the Magic.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe jeremy lin

a piece on him mentioned dallas, the lakers, and an unnamed “eastern conference team” as his courters … ORL seems like an obvious fit

by Half-man Half-gortat on Jul 19, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a fan.

Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."

by magicfaninTN on Jul 19, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha!

oh thats right! forgot about that major detail! yup, on 2nd thought, no thanks!

by ka_paowee on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Is Magic Really Better?

That is the question. Richardson and Duhon in; Barnes and Williams out. Is that an upgrade? I would say Duhon and Williams is a wash, or just thereabout (could be argued differently), but Richardson is not an upgrade, in my view. Besides Dwight being the anchor of our defense, Barnes was the only starter with some defensive prowess. Richardson is not at that level defensively but offensively he is a better shooter although Barnes had some garbage collection skills (I mean it positively) that Richardson does not have. Can we argue that these two are a wash, as well. I say no because that defensive mind set in the starting 5 as it stands in relationship to other startes has some intrinsic value. The answer to the primary question is then negative, in my view.

In a general sense, if Magic fans are expected to be all rah rah, don’t count me in as one, although I am just about as fanatic as a fan that one could be. For years I have blasted the ownership for being penny pinchers, and stated time and time again that they don’t understand the intrinsic added business value of going over the salary cap because paying excise tax is not as important as the bottom line. In other words, if a business makes more by spending more on marketing and advertising or any other expenses but make more at the bottom line, the extra expenditure is simply warranted. That is not the case with the owners any more. They have opened their vallet in investing more so that they can earn more.

As for Otis Smith, he is just an average GM, in my view. Don’t ask me to prove it becuase that would be a long writing. Granted, having the flexibility from the owners he made some good moves to build a competitive team by signing Rashard and trading for Vince. My problem with Smith is for years he announced that the ultimate goal is winning a championship but he does not see that this structure is not conducive to that goal. This Magic team is very good and they would win 60+ games in the regular season. But wisdom does not allow testing tested. We could not match with Lakers’ big front line last year, and this year did not even get the chance to test ourselves against Lakers again becuase this time we could not match BOS’s big front line. Say as you wish, but Rashard at 4 has not worked for us when it mattered most, and it does not matter how good we are at regular season if we could not match BOS and LA, one again. I don’t worry about MIA becuase they are not big or fast at front line (Z, Haslem, Anthony?) but come playoffs time we should pray that MIA take care of BOS for us. We have to finish as a high seed in the East in a way that we don not face BOS except in the East final.

by Matt1325 on Jul 19, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Very reasoned analysis

I thought it was thought out nicely. Orlando’s problem is definitely size at the 4. Not only size but toughness, nastyness, etc. Orlando has a chance to have a much more MONSTER front line than even my Lakers, because they have Dwight at the C. Instead of taking advantage of this strength and adding a legit 7 foot PF that can score on offense, they go the other way and have a finesse perimeter PF. I don’t think Gortat or Bass is a good match for Dwight playing at the PF. They need a Gasol type to play PF with Dwight. Someone with offensive skill, can be finesse, but finesse on the post, and is tall, lengthy and can alter shots. Obviously you can’t pull a Gasol out of your pocket, but there are tons of offensively minded skill players who are post players that the Magic can target.

I think the Magic need to build their monster front line in order to contend for a ring. They have the major ingredient with Dwight at C. Now look for an offensively minded, but tall post-type player at PF. Rashard is not the guy, because he doesn’t give you a Gasol type game.

I would even take Scola instead of Rashard for Orlando. This doesn’t mean you guys would have a MONSTER front line, but you would have a pretty damn good one.

I think most magic fans have fallen into the “defend defend defend” role in defending the Magic’s current style of play. Sometimes people automatically defend the status quo. Unfortunately, i don’t think it can win a ring. The game in the playoffs and finals changes dramatically. I mean, did you see the Boston vs Lakers finals? It was all about toughness, rebounding and defense. They were hardly fought games. I just don’t think Dwight by hiimself can win this type of game. You need other players to step up, and Rashard may step up offensively, but he is not going to intimidate, rebound, defend, protect the paint, etc.

by plyka on Jul 19, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, i don’t think it can win a ring.

Unfortunately, we think you are wrong.

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 19, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where are the tons of offensively-minded skill players?
Obviously you can’t pull a Gasol out of your pocket, but there are tons of offensively minded skill players who are post players that the Magic can target.

It would help if you would name a few. Then describe how exactly you think they might be obtainable by Orlando.

Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."

by magicfaninTN on Jul 19, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where are the tons of offensively-minded skill players?
Obviously you can’t pull a Gasol out of your pocket, but there are tons of offensively minded skill players who are post players that the Magic can target.

It would help if you would name a few. Then describe how exactly you think they might be obtainable by Orlando.

Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."

by magicfaninTN on Jul 19, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where are the tons of offensively-minded skill players?
Obviously you can’t pull a Gasol out of your pocket, but there are tons of offensively minded skill players who are post players that the Magic can target.

It would help if you would name a few. Then describe how exactly you think they might be obtainable by Orlando.

Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."

by magicfaninTN on Jul 19, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was worth repeating

but not stuttering.

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them." - Alonzo Mourning after winning the DPOY award

by NC Magic Fan on Jul 19, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

L L L L L L L LOL

Sorry, still having the problem. :(

Actually, it was an ISP connection fail. Sorry. Call their tech support for further complaints.

Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."

by magicfaninTN on Jul 19, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was not my intention

to earn a praise from a Lakers’ fan. Actually two out of the top three players on my “JERKS’ LIST” play for Lakers. I take the comment as a “RING” with many nuggets of wisdom built into it! The problem is that I don’t care much for jewelry!!!

by Matt1325 on Jul 19, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orlando's paint defense is in the top two in the league

Why do we need a “tough” PF to defend the paint again?

And I think you’ll find the Magic fans defending the current team do so out of a concept of reality, not out of blind faith to the 4-1 offense. The facts are that anyone who would allow us to go traditional, whilst compensating for the losses elsewhere isn’t available for a reasonable price. Lewis is untradeable, and whilst getting Chris Bosh might have allowed us to move him to SF without hurting our defense too much, there aren’t really any other options.

If we could get Josh Smith or Kevin Love then things might be different, but those guys aren’t available, so it’s pointless wishing they were.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 20, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is not just the defense but rather particular match-ups at high end competition

First, although we cannot write off 4-1 as inefficient with any degree of statistical certainty (unless one suggests to try it for 30+ seasons), we know that it did not work with Lakers last year and BOS this year. Some say a more dominant SG may offset that deficiency which I may buy into it but have less faith in that option than a traditional PF in the mold of Horace Grant but not necessarily an all—star type. Second, we don’t know what are the options out there unless we believe that we are at the helm as GM, since we are not privy to all information. I tend to believe that there are quite a bit of options since we have some assets and expiring contract(s), based on which we could open dialogue with other teams to probe the possibilities. It is the GM’s job to look for options, but he cannot even start on that task before he admits, explicitly or implicitly, to the inefficiency factor at high level. Remember that the stated goal is winning a championship which is bound to go through the likes of BOS and LA..

by Matt1325 on Jul 20, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

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