Povtak: Orlando Magic Will Keep J.J. Redick, Officially Announce Decision Tomorrow
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 15, 2010 10:35 PM EDT
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Tim Povtak of NBA FanHouse reports the Orlando Magic will keep J.J. Redick by matching the Chicago Bulls' offer sheet for him. The team advised the media earlier this afternoon that GM Otis Smith will be available tomorrow morning, implicitly to discuss the decision.
While Brian Schmitz and Sam Smith have previously reported they believe the Magic will match, Povtak is the first to cite any sources:
The Magic will make their intention known Friday – the last possible day -- but NBA sources familiar with the front-office thinking of the Magic confirmed their decision Thursday afternoon.
"They aren't letting go of J.J.,'' said the source.
UPDATE: Schmitz has filed a new report, also saying the Magic will match:
Those close to the negotiations told the Sentinel on Thursday that the Magic will match the 3-year, $19-million offer sheet presented to Redick by the Chicago Bulls.
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Yay!
So my premature celebration and new av didn’t jinx the decision to keep JJ! AWSUM!
I'm a dude!
Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U
epitome of the 6th man..........manu ginobli "type" impact player
i am so glad we hung on to jj…..i have always had high hopes for the guy
Just one man's opinion...
"mark my words...we will draft 2 corners within the first 4 picks" - 2009
"mark my words...we will draft 4 new linebackers this off-season" - 2010
hhahahahahaha
ginobili is an all star, redick wasnt never even a top 15 candidate for “6th man of the yr” so how is he a Manu type? no he’s a guy overpaid(officially) and overvalued by fans.
by magicbucssox on Jul 16, 2010 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions
JJ will be an All-Star and 6th man this year
I’m an overvaluating fan !
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
'I am taking my talents back to Disneyworld" ?
by RL Magic on Jul 15, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs
THis
LOL
"The Cavaliers were a contender to win the finals therefore they will always be a threat to contend for a title."~Wally Balls 407
This
deserves 50 recs!
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 15, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
When do you think it'll die out?
I’ve read about 4-5 different writers appropriate that line into their own stories
Brilliant
Orlando Magic... 2010 Eastern Conference Finalist
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 NHL Stanley Cup Champions!!
by Mike from Illinois on Jul 16, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Lets all go out and order calimari
to celebrate JJ’s good fortune. Lucky b#tard, all he did is work his ass of for 4 years instead of resting on his college reputation, and what did that get him.
Wait for it….
Fans!
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 15, 2010 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Haha! THIS!
I'm a dude!
Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U
Lets all join hands in a biiiiggg circle and jump up and down
the down part sort of being automatic after the up part…
or not….
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 15, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Literally took the post from my screen
Was about to say the same thing.
If another grown man can be proud of another grown man who he doesn’t know, I am.
Buddy worked his behind off!
"The Cavaliers were a contender to win the finals therefore they will always be a threat to contend for a title."~Wally Balls 407
And money
It also seems to have worked out on that front.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 15, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You all are mean.
I will not take part in this. And you all should be ashamed of yourselves! I got yo back squid!
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
what did my kind ever do to you
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
As Elvis said "Satisfy me!".
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 16, 2010 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions
You misunderstand
Calimari satisfy me, if properly died, fried and layed to the side.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 16, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Just as long as I get some of the good dipping sauces......
…..I’ll be good with calimari.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Well you're not an actual squid right.
So how could I eat you?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
you are so frustrating
your name isn’t Nathaniel Hawthorne is it? lol
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Close but no cigar.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
lol didn't think so
and you don’t have red hair and a beard, do you?
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call it a beard exactly.....
…..and I’ve got brown hair. So, no.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
ha, I didn't think so
take that, subconscious!
Okay so I had a dream the other night and this guy was you (the ginger guy who’s name was Nathaniel Hawthorne) and I was worried lmao.
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah you should be.
Cuz my first name is Nathaniel. Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
no it isn't ;_;
is it?!?
MAYBE I ALREADY KNEW THAT D:
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it is.
Not sure how many people know it though. Usually I say my name is Nate. LOL
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
oh God
I’m sure I must’ve known >.>
AHH!
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Well you know for sure now.
Prepare to be haunted. Although, it’s weird cuz I don’t really dream.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
well at least I know you're not a creepy ginger
my dad claims not to dream. He just snores instead.
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I snore too.
It’s the male deviated septum way.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
"deviated septum"
hmm yeah. That’s just the excuse for the nose job you’re getting in a few months, isn’t it.
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I like to think of it as my nose has encountered adversity.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
lol nice
you’ve had it broken, then?
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
No it's just always been screwed up.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Plus I can't claim credit for the adversity line.
That was Robert B Parker’s line and one of his many funny witty comments made in his books.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yup yup.
Bout all I’m good for. :D
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Indeed
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
oh haha sorry
think of it as “distinguished” instead :D
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah yes
The Distinguished septum of me. Wonderful. Thanks Squid!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Don't you have FSU undergrads to torture? :P
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm torturing myself right now
need to do some writing :| ask me how that’s going! /o\
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Do I get to eat calimari with that thousand islandish mustard if I do?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
why must you torment me ;_;
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Dipping sauces are awesome.
I’m sorry this makes you tortured.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
they were my friends,
my family… *sobs *
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 16, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes yes
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Have a good day Squid.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Glad we matched the offer
So ready for the season to start.
We may be getting a little nerdy about this
I thought I heard someone singing “Joy to the world”
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 15, 2010 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
We NEED JJ Redick!
He is my starting 2 guard on my all american white team:
Kirk Hinrich
JJ Reddick
Luke Walton
David Lee
Chris Kaman
His grandparents were from Germany, I think
He was born in America though, so he qualifies.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 15, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a great passing team. Brilliant passing.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 15, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
they would be a good matchup for a WNBA all star team
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Jul 16, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Reserves
Ryan Anderson (PF)
Steve Blake/Luke Ridnour (PG)
Birdman (PF/C)
Kyle Korver (SG/SF)
Chase Budinger (SF)
…then finish it off with Adam Morrison and Brian Scalabrine, nah just kidding, I just ran out of names.
I wasn’t to sure what you meant by “all american white”, so I excluded half-white, half African American players like Blake Griffin and Jason Kidd.
actually forget this list
there’s a lot more white American players than I realized after doing a bit of research.
LoL yeah you got it perfect brotha =]
I meant white players that were raised in America (exp: no Nowitski)
Man you filled out that bench better than I ever could! =D
???
i guess he’s better than mike miller
by magicbucssox on Jul 16, 2010 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Still hope Otis takes a look a Jeremy Lin.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 16, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and yay on JJ.
(to get back to the topic on hand)
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 16, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Knowing Otis, he'll most likely take a vet
But seeing as how he’s drafted two players this year, maybe he’ll be more open to Lin and other young guys.
FEAR THE MEER!
This
Lin looked great today vs. Washington. I have never seen him drive to the hole like he did. Kid is a legend out here in Palo Alto. Also, he did an awesome job of containing Wall when he had the assignment (even won a jump ball against him). That said, it’s hard for me to imagine Otis taking a gamble on an undrafted kid from the Ivy League…
by Zach Zimmerman on Jul 16, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
being of Asian descent myself, I know it's getting the proper NBA type body that will be the problem for him
Summer League is closer to college basketball than to an NBA regular season game.
After watching the Karate Kid, maybe Lin can provide us with some Bruce Bowen style defense.
http://doubledribble.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/bowenkick2.jpg
Never thought I'd say this (as a Magic fan) about Redick...
But this is the best Magic news I’ve heard all month. You never know what you have until it’s (almost) gone. I think J.J. will be even better this year.
On a totally unrelated note, Dwight Howard’s impression of Lebron James is hilarious. I was rolling!!
I agree with the word Never, but he had a decent year in 09. He played much better than VC against Boston. Carter’s contract is not guarenteed in 10-11; I can see him as our SG of the future; he’s definetely cheaper than VC, and we have three more years to get a good return on a guy that we drafted and stays with the team more than a few years ( i.e. C. Magettee & M. Miller).
by Mr. Mystery on Jul 16, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
By matching the Bulls' contract offer to Redick...
…Magic management is saying it won’t let money get in the way of trying to bring a championship to Orlando, even though this will be the second year in a row the Magic payroll will have gone well over the salary cap.
I like it!
Orlando Magic... 2010 Eastern Conference Finalist
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 NHL Stanley Cup Champions!!
by Mike from Illinois on Jul 16, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions
Yes, people here always talk trash about Rashard's contract
but at the time it was signed, I think one of the reasons (maybe not the most importatnt) was for the management to say: “hey come to Orlando, we got money and if you do your job right we’ll pay you good for it.” It’s great for an organization to show that to its players and JJ deserved it since he wanted to stay and all. I expect an aven bettrer year from him and I predict a game winner soon enough.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
Great News!
Now that brings our payroll to 93.5 million which is supposedly the highest in the league and they still have the BAE and vet min…thats messed up…Ownership is going want a return on these MiLLionS of Luxury(what an ironic name) Tax. They have to get it this year cant lay an egg in the conf finals like last season. Jameer should do his bondage thing for twice as long this year.
is that including the tax? when I went to Shamsports.com the payroll was a little over 87 mil. if you use 7.6 mil for JJ this year.
I was just curious cuz I was trying to figure out how much we are over the lux. tax line by, so if you have different info please share :)
The luxury tax threshold for this coming season will be $70.307 million
The Magic will eventually have a team payroll of over $90 million, so they will have to pay a luxury tax of about $20 million.
Orlando Magic... 2010 Eastern Conference Finalist
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 NHL Stanley Cup Champions!!
by Mike from Illinois on Jul 16, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Where are you getting the $90m+ figure from?
It’s $75m before the Redick contract or the two guys coming in for the MLE. I make that $88.3m before the BAE, but even if we use that for a third string point guard, we’ll only just be nudging past $90m. And if we get a veteran minimum guy, we’ll be under $90m.
We’d have to add the full BAE and, ooh, 3 veteran minimum deals to get to $94.
Not that $90m or so isn’t a substantial payroll anyway.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 16, 2010 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I have ~$85 million before Redick
19.5 for Lewis
17.5 for VC
16.6 for Dwight
7.6 for Nelson
6.3 for Gortat
5.3 for MP
4.0 for Bass
3.2 for Duhon
2.5 for QRich
1.4 for Anderson
1.02 for Orton
So..............
………is SVG going to play inny miney mo for minutes?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Depth will be:
Nelson/Duhon
Carter/Redick/Pietrus
Richardson/Pietrus
Lewis/AnderBass (don’t know who they will go with this season – probably still up in the air)
Dwight/Gortat
That is how it should look. Probably will be an 11 man rotation just like last year.
Yeah.
11 man rotations work really well. I don’t get the insistence on overloading a team with too much talent but Otis Smith has it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think it kinda hurt us a little in the post-season
But most of the 11 people are going to be the same, so the guys will pretty much know what they are going to get. (Anderson/Bass will be the odd guys out) I hope both of them can earn some playing time to further help our flexibility coming down the stretch.
Ahhh, OK
The figures I’ve been using weren’t including JJ’s qualifying offer, and I thought they were, hence why I’m $3.9m short of everyone else.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 16, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
lol just re-read this and noticed "Jameer should do his bondage thing for twice as long this year"
UMMMM……Bondage? lol. I dunno if you meant to write bondage as a joke or if you just had somethin goin on in your head at 1:30 AM haha jk.
jj's back
..we are officially the favorite to win the title.. :P
First Post and on a High Note, lol!
All I know is the Heat better have that score up by 20 in the first quarter, otherwise our bench will just beast on them! Unless the trio plan on playing all 48 lol
So pleased we're keeping JJ
Great news Otis will keep JJ. Gonna miss Barnes, hopefully Q-Rich will step up. GO MAGIC.
Blue and White Ignite..... BOOM!
Reality check
Everybody seems to think Redick is worth the money (some obviously for their own reasons which have nothing to do with the sport) but I hope everybody realizes there’s more to the game than shooting. He’s still a defensive liability and it’s going to be more evident next season because of his contract. I’d rather see him trying to keep up with the other twos in the league for two mil than constantly being reminded we’re now paying for “effort” at the rate of six mil. Let’s hope he’s worth it in stats and not someones comfort level when they look at the bench. He’s better than when he started but I don’t see heavens gates opening when he gets on the court.
by telka on Jul 16, 2010 7:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
According to Eddy at MagicBasketball .net , he is an average defender and an above average offender
err, above average offensive player and recieving a fair contract for what he brings.
Quote: I talked to a statistician that works for the NBA — can’t reveal his name — and he told me that his metrics value Redick at $6.6 million. End quote.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 16, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so
I don’t think he’s a great defender, but he has improved dramatically. I think he holds his own now and his defense is no longer a liability.
Average is not the same as great
I don’t understand your comment. JJ = average defender – above average on offense.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 16, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I was challenging telka's assertion that JJ was a defensive liability
I wasn’t responding to your post, I was responding to his. I think you and I are agreeing here.
Stats can be distorted
It doesn’t take into consideration when someone blows past him but Dwight cleans it up. Without someone like extraordinary Dwight backing him up his average defensive skills diminish significantly. I like Redick and respect his game but some are acting as if he’s the missing piece for a championship. It’s great to keep those you drafted but he is replaceable.
by telka on Jul 16, 2010 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Most efficient offensive player in the NBA last year. Plays hard. Works hard. Consistent. Reliable.
Yeah, guys like Redick are a dime a dozen.
are you making up the numbers?
What numbers are you using to come up with the “most efficient player in the NBA” moniker? Let’s compare Redick to Miller:
Redick:
FG% 43.9%, 3pt% 40.5%, eFG% 54%, TS% 60.6%
Mike MIller:
FG% 50.1%, 3pt% 48%, eFG% 59.6%, TS% 62.3%
I just picked Miller off the top of my head. As you see he is far more efficient than Redick in every single category. I’m not sure where you got it that Redick is the most efficient player in the NBA. The number from Redick which is impressive is his TS% at 60%. However, for every other single year of his career he shot 56% TS% which is pretty average for someone like Redick who doesn’t take many shots so he can be selective. And you have to ask yourself whether this bumb from 56% to 60% was due to his contract year. I’m beginning to think so because his other numbers don’t really support a 60% TS%. For instance his FG% is abysmal.
And if you want to use advanced statistics, then just take a look at PER. In the last year Redick, a person you call “the most efficient player in the NBA” registered a PER of 15. So, yes, people like Redick do grow on trees in the NBA, at least when you judge by the much more useful stat of PER over efficiency —-and they grow on trees by definition since a 15 PER is exactly average.
That is a ridiculous standard
What if Redick shot a 100 shots in those 10 minutes less played? You’re not making much sense.
basically
efficiency is not points per time played but points per shot or possession. The TS% is the pure efficiency number. It has absolutely nothing to do with time played.
Replaceable with............whom?
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 16, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So
Are you saying he’s irreplaceable? You sound as if on the Magic he is now on the untouchable list next to Dwight. Jameer was trade bait this offseason and if he can be traded so can Redick which means he’s REPLACEABLE. These mancrushes are getting a little too much right now.
by telka on Jul 16, 2010 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not easily replaced with what is available to us on the open market.
Jameer would have been involved in a trade that got us CHRIS FREAKING PAUL. There are probably 10 people in the league who Jameer would be involved in a trade for, because he has a decently priced contract for what he gives us. JJ is slightly overpaid, but we would have been a lot worse off if we didn’t resign him.
You didn't answer the question.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 16, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
His about Roger Mason since you need someone. They have basically the same role and he would thrive in an offense like the Magic. Now I’m not saying AGAIN that I don’t like Redick but I’m just proving a point and just wonder by all the earlier post if the reason people want him on the team so badly is for other reasons.
by telka on Jul 16, 2010 6:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Context, context, context.
Redick is not an irreplaceable player, but due to the make-up of the rest of the roster and the weakness of the remainder of the free agent market, he became an imperative signing.
(Emphasis mine) ~Sham
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 16, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent timing and I believe it puts this string of comments to rest.
by telka on Jul 16, 2010 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you expect heaven's gates opening
For a $6m p.a. player, you’ve got the wrong league.
JJ’s an average NBA player. His salary is around 9% more than the average NBA player, so we’re overpaying by 9%, assuming he doesn’t improve at all.
Oh noes, breaking the bank etc.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 16, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
An average player's 3 years contract would be $18.6 million
that very close to $19 million
Average salary = 5.765 million
With 8% increase 6.226 million
With 16% increase 6.687 million
Total 18.678 million
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The average of the all NBA players contracts remains the same over the length of the contract
Assuming a static salary cap. Whilst a particular player’s contract may go up or down, new players getting new deals at the average salary keep the average static.
If the cap goes up, obviously the average salary changes. But you can’t just assume contracts rise at 8% a year, because they don’t.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 16, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Most contracts grow at 8% unless resigning with the same team, then they grow at 10%
Most contracts are backloaded to minimize first year cap impact. Contacts that are level or fronloaded are the exception.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 17, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
But that’s not the point. The point is that with contracts continually expiring and being renewed, new deals being signed at the MLE level (which is based on the salary cap, not the average wage) and veterans playing for the minimums, the average player’s pay packet doesn’t rise at 8%. The guy who was paid the average wage in one year and gets an 8% raise is offest by all the deals which expire and all the new deals signed at different, reduced levels.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 17, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
In related news...
…Heat officially signed Mike Miller. How do these guys still have cap space?
http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=327548
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brown paper bags i guess
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+ big Z is next, I’m curious to see if they’ll get J-Will how much they’ll pay him compared to last years’ min.
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3 top guys took 1.5 - 2 mil less starting out over the max
and then they traded beasley for cap space which freed up another 5 million, so they had like 7 million worth of salary to play with. 4 mil per year for miller and 3 something mil per year on Haslem I believe is how it figured out.
Wade and friends took paycuts
Because Bosh and James did sign and trades, they could be offered high yearly raises than if they’d just done a free agent deal, so the Heat could offer the same money overall, but backload it more and therefore pay a substantially lower starting salary.
They only really need to save about $2.5m per contract to have the cap room to sign Haslem and Miller to $4m average, backloaded deals.
Nothing dodgy necessary, just clever capology.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 16, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
c'mon man, let us talk trash scenarioss about that team. Cleaver capology=no fun (well the word is kinda funny)
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I'm not interested in conspiracy theories
If I thought the NBA was fixed or teams were cheating, I wouldn’t follow it.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 16, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I already told you, I’m not a conspiracy kinda guy, I just believe that people on that team will get more money than what they annonce either with bonuses, their expences or whatever. When you build a budget even in a “normal” enterprise you count on those kind of things, it’s not illegal. And I only say this because it gets on my nervs when everyone who joins the Heat sudenly has “made sacrifices”, lets not kid the everyone plz.
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The NBA is not the same as 'normal' enterprises
Bonuses do exist, but they’re rarer in max contracts. They might have provisions for bonus clauses, sure, but they’re all still going to be giving up money. Haslem was offered full MLE deals – but his base salary next season with the Heat will probably be a touch under $4m.
Even with bonuses, he has to be giving up at least $1.5m. That’s a lot of cash.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 17, 2010 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe they are now limited to minimum contracts to fill the roster
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 16, 2010 8:06 AM EDT reply actions
OT : just saw that article about Penny and the Heat, WTF is that all about ??
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He signing for the vet's minimum to fill out the bench
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 16, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Great!
By keeping JJ I think this has been a positive offseason. We got just a bit better with the moves (although I’ll still miss Barnes). Nothing big, but small improvements. If we let JJ walk we would have definitely regressed this offseason.
Presser at 9:30
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 16, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions
Otis Smith walks in for his jj press conference, says "he's staying" then jokingly gets up to leave
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 16, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions
Matt Barnes going to the Lakers possibly
He hasnt announced it yet, but he kinda let the cat out of the bag by saying hes was in LA
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Clippers?
They would be able to give him the money he wants anyway. But you’re right; it’s probably the Lakers. Especially after they were making that big hoodoo about Raja Bell and Kobe liking that Bell got up in his grill a few years ago. Matt did that last year to Kobe as well.
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by funny80sguy on Jul 16, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as it's not the Heat or Celtics
At least the Lakers can pay him some.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 16, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't that weird?
I actually don’t mind Barnes going to the Lakers either. I like him, and I just want him to get his big payday. If the Magic cannot/will not do it, it might as well be the Lakers or some other team.
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by funny80sguy on Jul 16, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont like him going to the Lakers. Those guys dont need a decent defender who can come in for Artest and essentially be a poor man’s version. They are both good defenders and looney. I hope and pray he’s chasing the money and goes to the Clipps. Also, based on what the Lakers were offering Bell…I don’t see how Barnes goes there. BUT the only reason they were going after Bell is because KB8 respected the fact Bell has the balls to clothesline him. That fake inbounds pass during the Laker game this year was pretty gutsy on Barnes’ part.
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Plus
We only have to see him play with a chip on his shoulder twice a season, unless until we make the Finals.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 16, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I Iike him too
I just don’t want him pulling an Ariza everytime we play them. He is the type of person that wants to make every team he played for in the past regret it (gonna be half the league soon).
by telka on Jul 16, 2010 5:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The lakers aren't going to give him his big payday
The lakeshow have about $1.8m to offer him left from their MLE money. Not really a payday kind of thing. But he gets to play significant minutes with the back to back champs and that’s got to mean something to him. If he wanted money he would go elsewhere.
How can they pay him some?
All they’ve got is the minimum
They have $1.8 M of the MLE left.
More than what the Celtics and Heat can offer.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 16, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
And
More than he was earning last season. Not much more first year, but on a three year deal with 8% raises, he could earn a decent sum.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 17, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Went to UCLA too.
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What to do
What am I going to do with my black and blue “MATT BARNES WILL KILL YOU” t-shirt? Not the most skilled guy in world obviously, but a tough son of a bitch. I will be dissappointed to see him leave. He has the attitude we need, too bad he couldnt hit about 38% from behind the arc.
He's from the Sac area though.
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reality check#2
As a Lakers fan i think i’m very unbiased on the Redick subject. I think that the Redick buy was a great get for the Magic. However, a huge red flag is that his only year of great play was last year, a contract year.
As a Lakers fan i know the pit falls of giving a guy a big contract after a splendid contract year, most notably Sasha Vujacic, Luke Walton. These have been the most horrible contracts the Lakers have given out. In hindsight, it was because of the contract year blip. I wonder if JJ Redick has changed for good or if his performance last year was just a contract year thing…time will tell.
It's obviously something of a gamble
Such is life in the NBA.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 16, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
You may not put any faith in the advanced metrics, but Redick’s WARP (wins above replacement player) for next season is projected to be 4.2 – to put that into context, Ray Allen’s is 5.2 and Mike Millers is 3.7. Fitting, then, that he got a contract somewhere in the middle of those two guys.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 17, 2010 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions
you follow him more than i do
But here are some stats:
TS% over his 4 years in the league (pure efficiency number on offense):
06-07 56.9%
07-08 56.9%
08-09 56.2%
09-10 60.6%
His PER over 4 years in the league:
06-07 13.0
07-08 12.7
08-09 9.9
09-10 15.0
From the numbers i see no progression here. I see choppy numbers and then last year in his contract year a bump up. Perhaps you see something different by watching the games instead of looking at the numbers.
Why do you spend several posts arguing with us and then conclude with:
you follow him more than i do
??
Seems like that would make a better starting point than ending point for the discourse.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 16, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Those stats don’t show much improvement, but others do:
eFG%
06-07 .508
07-08 .523
08-09 .503
09-10 .540
AST%
06-07 9.7
07-08 9.7
08-09 10.3
09-10 13.9
TOV%
06-07 8.7
07-08 10.9
08-09 13.7
09-10 8.8
He’s making more threes, and handling the ball more while turning it over less (his turnover rate is back down to his rookie level, when he wasn’t a ballhandler at all). His shooting hasn’t really improved much because it had no room to improve – he was already a darn good sniper. What’s improved is the rate at which he gets fouled, his ability to make plays off the ball, and his ability to handle the ball and pass.
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Need to include his MPG and USG%, too.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 17, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not the the statistics
SVG is trusting him more and more. He’s a reliable guy.
Of course the caveat is that this season, we will expect even more from him.
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