Wojnarowski: Orlando Magic, Quentin Richardson Agree to Terms on "Multi-Year Contract"
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 12, 2010 3:29 PM EDT
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PrintThe Orlando Magic have agreed to sign Miami Heat free-agent forward Quentin Richardson "to a multi-year contract," reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports, via Twitter. Richardson, who turned 30 in April, is a 10-year veteran with career averages of 11.2 points, 5.0 boards, and 35.9% three-point shooting, including a career-best 39.7% mark last season. He gives the Magic depth at both wing positions, joining Vince Carter and Mickael Pietrus, and figures to start at small forward.
Though contract terms are not yet known, Richardson should give the Magic production comparable to that of Matt Barnes last season, which is appropriate, as his signing almost assuredly ends Barnes' one-year stay with the Magic. Barnes is an unrestricted free agent and figures to make more than the $1.6 million he earned last season. After signing Chris Duhon, the Magic didn't have enough financial resources to keep Barnes at a price acceptable to him. This comparison of Barnes and Richardson shows how similar they are, especially with regard to rebounding; for his size, Richardson is excellent in that area. The key difference is that Richardson takes far more three-pointers than Barnes, and at a much higher percentage.
UPDATE (this paragraph only): John Denton of OrlandoMagic.com reports that Richardson's deal is worth the remainder of the mid-level exception. He also says the Magic gave Barnes the same offer before contracting Richardson, but that Barnes declined it.
Richardson's strength figures to make him a plus defender in the Magic's defensive scheme.
Richardson made headlines in the postseason when he tussled with Boston Celtics forward Kevin Garnett after Garnett's teammate Paul Pierce collapsed to the floor in front of the Heat's bench. Garnett's role in the fight earned him a one-game suspension. After the game, he referred to Garnett and Pierce as "two actresses." Boston is arguably the Magic's biggest rival, which means the games between those teams in the coming season should be even more physical, contentious, and heated.
Wojnarowski speculates that signing Richardson makes the Magic "less likely" to match the Chicago Bulls' offer sheet to restricted free agent J.J. Redick, but I don't agree. This move addresses the Magic's small forward position, and should not have any bearing on Redick's situation.
Regardless of what happens with Redick, the Magic have already filled their need for a backup point guard and a starting small forward. Next on their list? A third-string point guard, and probably another wing player, even if Redick returns.
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If Matt had to go, I don't mind Quentin coming in. As long as he's in the same shape that he was last season.
The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.
This, pretty much.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
uhhhhhhh
startin to think that JJ might not be coming back now
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Jul 12, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think this affects JJ
Like Barnes, Q Rich can play SG and SF. Especially since they’re probably using the rest of the MLE to sign him.
JJ is a "Bird" free agent
which means we can exceed the salary cap to re-sign him and its ok we wont be penalized
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
-Mark Twain
by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jul 12, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
At that price
it is a good deal.
I hope Barnes is able to get his $10 mil+ over 3+ years now.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He's perfect for us
He fits the offense, defense, and adds in areas we lacked last season. AMAZING pickup by Otis! I’m very pleased if you can’t tell
One Freaken Second
Hm... I'm cautiously optimistic.
I guess Richardson fits the same basic mold as Barnes: a defensive PF who can shoot the 3 and act as a bit of an enforcer. I guess I have two concerns:
a) I see Richardson as fundamentally less under control than Barnes — not in terms of his play, but in terms of his interactions with the opponent. I would call Barnes an instigator and Richardson a hothead. I could be misjudging him.
b) Richardson is a good rebounder for a SF, but Barnes was a better one. I’m not really concerned about the Magic’s rebounding, but Barnes was a better one.
On the other hand, he’s definitely more of a three-point shooter, which is nice. I guess if we weren’t going to get Barnes back anyway, this is a great pickup.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
SF.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
Yeah, what you said.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Oh, three concerns.
Passing. Passing is probably the biggest concern. Carter will NEED to step up his passing game, and we’ll need to either get back JJ, or get another backup SG who can distribute the ball in a passable fashion.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
yes I remamber folks saying he doesn't move the ball enough. Is he as good as defender as Barnes?
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
Barnes wasnt much of a passer either
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm!
I seemed to recall Barnes averaging more like 2.5 assists, but it turns out the number is 1.7. You’re right — not that he was a liability as a passer, but it wasn’t as much a part of his game as I had thought. Never mind!
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Barnes was a better offensive rebounder last season they had about the same defensive rebounds.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
I love that about him as well
He averaged 28 minutes a game but committed less than 1turnover a game
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably just means he doesn't put the ball on the floor much.
Which I suspect is accurate — he strikes me as mostly a catch-and-shoot guy.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Hm... I didn't even notice that.
I like how weighted Richardson’s rebounds in recent years have been toward the defensive end… these are actual rebounds, not some guy milling about under the offensive boards instead of getting back to work on the defensive end.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
My guess would be Richardson.
If only because Pietrus already lost a starting job last year. But of course a lot depends on the preseason and so forth.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Pietrus seems to enjoy coming of the bench
and IF hits hits that first 3-pointer, he can be a game changer.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
if he hits thats that first three pointer or not
you know he will keep jacking threes every chance he gets………he has changed a lot over the years
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
-Mark Twain
by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jul 12, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Offensive rebounding isnt necessary in our style of play
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
touchy touchy
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
no man, just accentuating (if that word exists) your point
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
Oh..
i took it as sarcastic.. My bad
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He Plays no D.
So what…? We’re adding another 3-point shooter that won’t make shots when it counts?? Great.
Wow, Someone's mad.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
OMG,
WE DIDN’T GET BOOZER, LEE, OR GASOL- PANIC, PANIC, PANIC, PANIC, PANIC, PANIC, PANIC, PANIC, PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
by 4QB on Jul 12, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree…it’s time to panic magic fans! seriously…how we improved in the last two years? not as much as we should have!
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, Sarc.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
If you don't like whats happening with the Magic, there are 29 other teams to root for
most of the suck, but root away!
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess ill have to repost the edited version…
you logic is bush saying you’re either with us or against us.
god forbid i think i team hasnt improved much in the last 1.5 years.
the purpose of this forum is to give me a place to express my point of view.
if you disagree, then my argument!
and i cant believe im the person having to say this…thanks editors!
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Orlando's championship-caliber team hasn't improved much.
They’re now a slightly better championship-caliber team. The horror!
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
How many have won without one?
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Miami won with Dwyane Wade and the JV squad from Miami Highland
;)
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Haslem is FAR from a stretch 4
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. It was an unconventionally bad lineup, though
I’m just yanking your chain a bit. To be honest, the stretch 4 hasn’t been around long enough to have a good body of evidence. It’d be like looking at the 1981-82 Lakers Championship and concluding that, since they were last in the league in 3PT shooting, that a successful team has as few snipers as possible.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Uhhh......
How about Rasheed Wallace and the 2004 Pistons?
Or what about Matt Bonner and the Spurs?
I'm a dude!
Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U
THANK YOU!
I'm a dude!
Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U
For that matter...
…wasn’t there a team in the Midwest that had a lot of success 15 years back, despite starting a 6’6" point guard who was third on the team in assists, and getting almost no offense from their post players?
I mean, all teams are “unconventional” to some extent.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Yeah, but that was Big Shot Rob
He was in a power forward category onto himself.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
by funny80sguy on Jul 13, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
What?
You mean Shard doesn’t hit big shots?
What about this?
Not enough, maybe this will ring a bell!
If that’s not enough, then I don’t know how many people could say they hit a shot like this!
I'm a dude!
Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U
You, sir, do have an unfortunate propensity to overblow or misinterpret things I say
Maybe it is my dry wit that doesn’t coming through on the posts.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
by funny80sguy on Jul 14, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Should I add an 'arched eyebrow' emoticon or something?
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
by funny80sguy on Jul 14, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep... Horry was amazing.
Like, normally he was a 42% shooter… but oh, when crunch time started up… that guy was a 43% shooter. DEADLY.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
So you're saying that when crunch time happens, his percentage improves?
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
by funny80sguy on Jul 14, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure 1% is well within the range of probability.
Although maybe that’s the thing to keep people from unwarranted worrying about Lewis — start an equally unwarranted hype campaign about his supposed Magical Basketball Powers. Unlike Horry, Lewis actually has the advantage of being a good player in general.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
43% is still better than 42%
:oP
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
by funny80sguy on Jul 15, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I wanted to go traditional as well
but I don’t think we’re built for it right now. If Rashard could play SF it would be different but for him to only be effective in small stretches at SF makes it too risky to bring in a PF only to find out that Rashard can’t play SF for 30+ minutes and be stuck with big holes in our team.
We should’ve won the title in 08. We had the best team in the league that year we just caught some bad breaks (including Jameers injury). Last year it was a new team with Barnes not even being a starter until 40 games into the season and SVG pushing VC to be that clutch player we needed in 08. We now know VC is not that guy anymore and we would’ve been better off making him the 4th scoring option and not the 2nd-3rd, giving Rashard a lot more touches and looks. Now we know. I don’t think we’d actually given it our best shot in terms of lineups and execution last season.
I thought teams in the playoffs were able to cheat on defense and force the extra pass or 2 on the perimeter to make sure it was Matt Barnes ending up with the uncontested 3. When MP was in the game they weren’t able to cheat as much. Having Q at SF will punish teams trying to cheat on the perimeter and he’s 10x the rebounder MP is. This is a good signing IMO.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
We were a Courtney Lee miss and Fisher cheap shot away from possibly winning that series
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
plus a pair of Dwight Howard FT misses and Hedo going 1-4 from the FT line in the 4th quarter of that same game. We were really unlucky in that series.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
it could be worse
we could live in Cleveland
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Leaveland.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
or we could live in
oakland/san fran, toronto, sacramento, or the clippers side of LA…..barring a MJ-like player coming around again the warriors, raptors, kings, and clips will prob never win a championship
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
-Mark Twain
by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jul 12, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Kings have a chance.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
why? please dont say because of cousins
their best chance was when they got completely cheated in the 2002 western conference finals, and they went into rebuild mode after they lost to the t-wolves in 7 games in the second round of the 2003-2004 playoffs
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
-Mark Twain
by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jul 12, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And missing probably our second-best player that year for the whole series...
…plus having to play an injured/ineffective version of him.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
you guys remember losing
that series 4 games to 1 right? I’m sure if all your miracle changes go your way you’re talking about a tied series instead of a lopsided one.
Go away.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 15, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i love it that a guys who avgeraged 15 ppg for like 8 years playing small forward can only be effective in small stretches now that he’s come to orlando.
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If you mean Pietrus
His numbers are about the same in Orlando as they’ve been everywhere else in his career.
Slight drop in PP/36, slight rise in efficiency.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i was actually talking about lewis.
from warlando above: " If Rashard could play SF it would be different but for him to only be effective in small stretches at SF makes it too risky to bring in a PF only to find out that Rashard can’t play SF for 30+ minutes…"
Oh how quickly we forget about the artist formerly know as the sonics!
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I suspect
He’s talking about Rashard’s defense, not his offense. If you could combine Barnes defense with Lewis’ offense, nobody would have any problem starting him at SF.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
guess i misread that. i thought he was saying we cant make the move to traditional b/c shard couldn’t play the 3.
in fairness, he does go on to say…“We now know VC is not that guy anymore and we would’ve been better off making him the 4th scoring option and not the 2nd-3rd, giving Rashard a lot more touches and looks. Now we know.”
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Shard CAN'T play the 3 any more.
Because of defense — he’s slowed down, and no longer has the speed to keep up with many of the league’s SFs.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Typo.
You spelled “succeeded” “failed”.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Can he funnel to Dwight?
If he can do that. He’s a good defensive player for us
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what we do now buddy
Is VC, Reshard or Jameer stopping anybody?
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO.
The defensive player of the year, two times running needs “some defensive help”?!?!!?!
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
I'm gonna pile on as well
Gortat is all the “help” Dwight needs. That is just in case D12 gets in foul trouble
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
"Gortat is all the "help" Dwight needs. That is just in case D12 gets in foul trouble"
LOL!!! WOW.
OPP.. Where Defense is:…. Wait, what’s Defense??
Yeah, because #3 in the league in DRtg is so bad...
Oh wait, it’s not, you’re just suffering from diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain. Still.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
It's true!
The Magic’s defense is only the second-best in the league! Oh, the horror!
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
I don't get this statement at all.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
"Defense is a five on five story"
~David Thorpe
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If we are going to quote Thorpe as our expert, consider this:
Vince Carter is a real shooter. As in, a guy who, left open, will efficiently punish opponents with made shots. Ask any middle-aged guy at your local Y: This is one basketball skill that persists even as athleticism wanes.
Thorpe adds that it’s a myth that Carter can’t handle crunch time. He has great anecdotes, which are supported by research at 82games showing Carter’s making 49% of his shots in crunch time this season, and is 12th in the NBA in points per crunch time minute.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's true. Except for January.
What are you getting at?
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are going to quote experts, don't disagree with them in the next breath
There are hundreds of basketball experts around. I can find one to agree or disagree with any point of view. If you beleive Thorpe is the baskebball guru, then Vince is exactly what the Magic needed and should have led them to a title (except for a few injuries along the way.).
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not how opinions work, though.
People are allowed to be right about one thing and wrong about another thing.
Now, in this case, Thorpe was right both times. But there’s a difference between saying “hey, this guy said a valid thing once” and “this guy is infallible.”
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
No contradiction here. Sorry.
>Defense is 5 on 5.
>Vince will punish you if you leave him open (except for January). But doesn’t get left open, often. Age makes it harder for him to get open, but he can still hit open shots.
>The season to which Thorpe refers, VC did hit 49% in “crunch time”—whatever that is. Thorpe was reporting history, not predicting future (unless you took the quote out of it’s context).
Agree with 3.3: Thorpe is right both times.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Meaning:
If you call “Defense” directing the player you should be defending towards Dwight, then that’s not playing “D”. That’s lazy/sloppy “D”.
You can call it lazy and I will call it smart
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I call it #2 in the NBA.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I call defense several things.
a) Restricting ball movement, particularly to players in position to make a high-percentage play.
b) Forcing turnovers..
c) Not allowing open shots on one’s man.
The Magic’s backcourt, as a general rule, is pretty good at the first of these, not so great at the second, and excellent at the third. They’re not going to stifle the opponent completely, but they’re not generally going to make dumb mistakes and give the opponent room to make an easy shot.
Which is okay, because the way some (mostly star) players can beat them is by using their athletic ability to run around them. Most of them are good against the pick-and-roll, and they’re strong at defending the perimeter. Which frequently leads to one of two things: low-percentage mid-range pull-ups, or drives to the hoop (which are also problematic, because of Dwight.)
I mean, that’s all defense is. Making the opponent take the shots you want them to take, rather than the shots they want to take.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
I like your synopsis..
But for c), I don’t agree.. case in point: the pick and roll. That killed us in the playoffs with miss-matches and open 3’s against us.
you should call him LeBron Jimmy.......more age appropriate
LeBron Jim………..your hilarious
Just one man's opinion...
"mark my words...we will draft 2 corners within the first 4 picks" - 2009
"mark my words...we will draft 4 new linebackers this off-season" - 2010
Every one of them is making his man work.
None of the is a plus defender, but none of them is anything resembling a liability. Which, ultimately, is mostly what matters.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
WHAT??
So all the times Nelson gets abused by the opposing PG isn’t a liability? Why, because of DH? Lewis, Carter??
Look at the 1st & 2nd defensive teams list of 2010:
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/05/05/all.defense/index.html
Lakers have at least 3 players that didn’t make it, but got a vote or 2.. Oklahoma has 3 as well. NO MENTION of any Magic player. Then you have the Cavs, the Spurs and Suns with players that got votes..
So when you say 2nd best, you can say it was a “team” effort, but the MAJORITY of it was Dwight Howard.
Sigh.
But remember that guarding fast point guards is a problem for everyone. Derrick Rose can’t guard fast points. Rondo is one of the best, but he can’t stop Derrick Rose, who cooked him in the playoffs a couple of years ago. It’s hard to guard those guys! You have to have structure in the defense behind the point guard.
David Thorpe, July 8, 2010
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look at the TEAM defensive list for 2010.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay.
But all the times the opposing PG has a bad game, that’s in part because of Nelson too. And opposing PGs as a general rule are slightly worse than average against the Magic.
I know you’ve got this bizarre fixation on the notion that Nelson is a bad defender, but he simply isn’t. He’s an average defender, maybe slightly above-average given how well his skill set fits with what the Magic need from him. Which doesn’t mean opposing PGs don’t sometimes have good games against the Magic, because that’s not what solid defense means. It means you make them work, you make them make the plays. You don’t give anything up cheap. And Nelson does that.
You want to see a bad defender — look at Williams, especially late in the season. If you can’t see the huge talent/understanding gap between a guy like Nelson and a guy like J-Will, you must be blind.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
How can you even compare Nelson/J-Will given the age and the fact that j-will didn’t play for a year.
You keep blaming J-Will but what exactly did you expect from him at his age with his history and for the money he got. Blaming the ECF on him is the same thing that those who say Bass won us those two games and since we blew past the other 2 teams who cares how he played. J-Will is over for Orlando and for my part even if he sucked after all-star game I was happy he was part of the team and watching him throw those half court bounce passes and alley-oops which I don’t get how one can’t enjoy. Nelson is far a better player than present J-Will and even than some past J-Will but not many expected him to get Dad’s time not start in all those games.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
I'm not "blaming" J-Will.
I’m just saying he was very ineffective in the latter half of this season, and a poor defender at (as far as I know) every point in his career. I don’t see why you’re phrasing it as “blame” — I’m not saying to Williams “don’t be who you are.” I’m saying “the Magic could improve if they got a guy who was better than that guy.” And that’s what they did.
Or, in this case, I’m saying “you’re so worried about this one guy’s defense, but look at a guy who was really a defensive liability — don’t you see that your argument fails to take into account that there are NBA players with far worse defense than Nelson?” I could’ve named some other guys (Mo Williams? Derek Fisher?)… but given that this guy doesn’t seem capable of seeing the difference, I thought maybe comparing Nelson to another guy working in the same defense might be more relevant.
But yeah, no insult intended. It’s not Williams’ fault he’s no longer able to play a whole NBA season. It’s just the way these things work.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
this is true…but on our team…the starting 5 had a clear break in quality of defense with carter and nelson racing each other for the bottom!
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just nonsense
Even if you’re talking about the Celtics series, it was Paul Pierce who dominated the offense (against Barnes), not Allen or Rondo who both had below average series.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
actually…what i remember was a lot of pick and rolls that we switched and had nelson defending pierce.
barnes was the only person who didn’t fall for pierce’s pump fakes often…mp and vc were terrible here!
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
There isn't a point guard in the league
Who can defend Pierce if you switch in the PnR.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
come on dude…are you really saying some guards wouldnt have a lower pts per 100 possessions when guarding a sg or sf than others?
isnt one of the main reasons why the duhon signing makes sense b/c he’s a better defender than nelson?
the problem is, isn’t not who can defend, but who can defend better!
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you saying that a point guard -- ANY point guard -- should be able to defend Paul Pierce?
I can think of only a couple PGs in the league who’d even have a chance at that.
Anyway, it’s not a relevant consideration. 90% of the time, the point guard’s job on defense is to guard the other point guard. 9% of the time or so, he guards a SG. (This can vary if you’re deliberately putting your point guard on SGs, of course.) You can’t game-plan for the fluke play where people get mixed up and the PG ends up on a small forward.
As far as defending actual point guards goes, Nelson is better than half the league’s point guards. And as far as operating in the Magic’s offense goes, Nelson’s familiarity with the team’s defensive schemes raises him from average to markedly above-average as a defender.
Will Duhon be a better defender than he is in the Magic’s schemes? That remains to be seen. My point was that Nelson isn’t a defensive liability just because he’s not an All-Defensive caliber guy. He’s securely between those two extremes, and if you look at what an actual defensive liability (like J-Will, for example… one of many examples) looks like, you can see the difference.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
The quality of the defense was virtually the same as the year before
2008-Points scored 101.0 Points allowed 94.4 Margin 6.6
2009-Points scored 102.8 Points allowed 95.3 Margin 7.5
2008-ORtg 109.2 DRtg 101.9 Margin 7.3
2009-ORtg 111.4 DRtg 103.3 Margin 8.1
Allowed ,9 points per game more, scored 1.8 points per game more. Your statement is spurious!
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
im not sure how a team stat proves anything about nelson and carters defense?!
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
"the starting 5 had a clear break in quality of defense"
that is part of the team isn’t it????
ok i do understand the logic now…but, i still dont think saying our team defense is good proves an individual is good.
and, i know it’s not a huge difference, and i guess i could be reading it wrong, but didnt the ppg increase…and is the drtg based off pts per 100 possessions b/c it looks like that also increased…
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, No-
Have you saw the DRTG for PG’s in general?
J- Nellie this year: 106, Last 103
To compare:
Player A: (This) 109, Last 103
Player B: (This) 107, Last 111
Player C: (This) 110, Last 110
Care to guess who those 3 are.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
Huey, Dewey and Louie?
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know guys.
Im still looking to ship Vince’s ass out of town and get a premier scorer and this move will be fine. Q has been iffy on the commitment front for many teams. This isn’t the best team guy.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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Otis is sorry this real deal isn't your imaginary deal.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
That would just be a two year deal, Woj says it is "multi-year"
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see how this would affect the likelihood of us matching jj's offer
I really think we will be keeping jj. If we have vince, jj, MP, and Q-Rich why would we need another wing player? And how would we get one? Unless it involved a trade of some sort, preferably involving vince.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
I guess the reasoning...
…would be that Richardson or Pietrus, whoever doesn’t make the starting lineup, could back up at SF and SG. I agree they could, maybe, but it wouldn’t be ideal. Ideally, you’d have a true SG, and that would mean JJ.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
That's what I'm thinking too.
He just wants to wait so Chicago doesn’t have as many options remaining on the market when we match.
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did it to the Mavs last year…pissed Cuban off in the process…
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
Otis's long mission:
PO every team in the league.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
LeBron manages to piss off every executive in the league except for Pat Riley in the amount of time it takes a person to say “I’m taking my talents to South Beach.”
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
Otis had better match
that poll has over 1000 people that want JJ to stay. Most of them are probably girls
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohhh yeah.
There are 2 girls that come on here and comment regularly but 1000 girls came on here just to vote to keep jj. Makes total sense.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
Way to take it so literal
I was referencing the attraction that JJ Redick has with the female persuasion
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That comment by Sou was actually pretty funny. Chicks in Orlando will be crushed if Otis doesnt match.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
thank you
Leave it to a girl to not get the joke lol
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
*holds her back*
He ain’t worth it…
(anyone else know any “talk ’em down” lines? I’m a bit short)
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Haha
Uh oh I went and did it
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Its got to be Stanley robinson right?
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Or should the 5th wing be able to shoot the 3, in case of injury?
Like Jeremy Richardson. Though I would like to see how Stanley develop.
FEAR THE MEER!
by the way that windmill Robinson threw the other day was pure sickness
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Yeah his athleticism is pretty tantalizing
hopefully we can groom him into a Trevor Ariza type
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
do you mind if many of the rest of us are pleased to get a decent PG and SF for the MLE and got rid of two overage PG’s you dteriorated as the season went on. Matt priced himself out of Orlando.
What PF and SF would you have preferred that could be had for a total of $5.8 mil?
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
CP3 AND BOSH CP3 AND BOSH
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, wouldn't work.
Paul isn’t a SF.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
SOOOOOO WAT?!?!?!?!!
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Irony.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
CP3 and BOSH =$30+ million
Q-Rich and Duhon = $5.765 million
Who could you get for $5.8 mil who would be better?
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Y'know, looking at the big picture..
If I had to choose between Matt or Q, I’d choose Q. So If that’s gonna be the case, then I’m slightly pleased myself.. EVER so slightly.
Reunited Duhon and Richardson
Two former Knicks players on this squad. and we’ll get Redick back and for the third stringer PG Keyon Dooling.
I'm Mr.Magic
Getting all these Knicks players.
Does that mean we’re getting LeBron?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
If LeBron were signing with the Magic last Thursday...
…would he of said “I’m taking my talents to…” Disney World? Universal Studios? or Sea World?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
no, he would say "I'm taking my ear plugs next to SVG"
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by 44792212 on Jul 12, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep lol
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
FFFFFFFF NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer a PF/C as our 13th guy
that summer league guy Paul Davis is not a bad option
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Orton's on the roster already.
Another wing + 3rd PG will give us 14 (if JJ is matched)
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Any chance of D-League?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
could they let him go to Europe? could be good learning experience
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I think Orton could benefit from it but he wouldn't have Ewing and Howard as mentors though.
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he needs mentoring AND actual game experience
he isnt getting one in either situation
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Reno was the Magic D-League affiliate?
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It is.
Strange, huh? This year, I’m surprised if Orton doesn’t spend at least a little time down there. (over there, whatever.)
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought you guys are cousins or something lookin at your names
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
No, but in Kentucky we could be brothers and cousins
and maybe uncles and nephews
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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Me gusta!
Very good signing. I like what Q-Rich can bring to the table for us. He should fit in nicely and get plenty of open looks from beyond the arc.
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He can actually hit them
Barnes .319%
Q .397%
(not their career avg.)
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
More power to him!
The more downtown firepower, the better!
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Ahhhh yes, with the Phoenix Suns
I think they swept the contests that year, except for Slam Dunk, right?
FEAR THE MEER!
If I remember correctly...
Nate Robinson won his first Slam Dunk title that year.
I'm a dude!
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miami got him to slim down too
hopefully he remains svelte and in good shape.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
5 points for using svelte in a sentence.. impressive
svelte (svlt)
adj. svelt·er, svelt·est
Slender or graceful in figure or outline; slim.
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Very mature.
Please, always bring this level of intelligence to every conversation you ever have.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
lol You'd be surprised, sonny boy.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
by GoMagicGo on Jul 12, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
pretty cunning move by otis
if q-rich might’ve been targetted by the bulls if orlando matched redick.
maybe otis took away bulls’ plan a + plan b.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Just like he did with the Mavs last year.
Sign Brandon Bass and then match Gortat at the last possible minute!
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As if they'll have enough cap space to make any decent offers to RFAs
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Well...
we were able to convince Q-Rich to join the light side!
I'm a dude!
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That would certainly be interesting.
Not sure how much interest Chicago had in Q-Rich though.
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Yeah Q is more SF than SG at this point
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
if the Bulls miss out of redick they probably go after Morrow
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
morrow already signed an offer sheet w/ nj
maybe c.j. watson or eddie house.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Both of them are PGs.
Watson is an RFA and Golden State will match any reasonable offer and Eddie House is just a 3-pt shooter off the bench. Bulls seem intent on getting sharpshooters now.
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Already signed an offer sheet with the Nets.
Golden State probably won’t match.
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Really
well Morrow certainly isjnt worth the money JJ Redick is worth. Maybe they can outbid NJ and GS
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Once you sign an offer sheet....
you either play for the team you signed for or the team that retains you.
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doesnt mean another team cant put a higher bid on the same player
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it does. Redick signed the Bull's offer sheet. He will play for the Bulls if the Magic don't match, or the Magic if they do match.
There is no option c here.
Really?
man i had no idea it works like that… Kinda sucks for the player. What if a better offer came along. There is no option for a bidding war
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The bidding war comes BEFORE they sign the offer sheet.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it
It was evident that Barnes wasn’t returning, and Q is probably the best remaining option. As long as he starts posting up again (got too 3-happy in recent years), I’ll be happy.
I really hope this doesn’t have any affect on JJ, which I doubt it does.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 12, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions
all this depth at the sf/sg position will be a big plus
going against lebron/wade.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Don't think Q needs to be posting up.
His 3-happiness is welcome here. As long as it’s not MP-esque.
FEAR THE MEER!
Hm, never really watched him enough to see it.
I’m sure it could be handy if Dwight’s not in the game, but you would think we might have better options than a Q post-up, unless there’s a mismatch there.
FEAR THE MEER!
He used to be one of the best post players in the game
I think he had back surgery or something and then just drifted behind the arc, I think. He probably still has it.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 12, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If Dwight's not in the game and we're talking about posting someone up
it should be Shard
2 years ago when he was with the Knicks
I was at the game and Q was absolutely killing us IN THE POST. They had Lee spotting up around the foul line and whenever Dwight went to help he just tossed it out to Lee for the easy J.
I’m telling you guys Q looked real good in the post. I definitely want him posting up smaller guards/forwards
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that Q is a bad post player, I believe you that he can score there against smaller defenders...
but I just think he’d be more valuable if we utilize his great shooting from behind the three point line and instead post Lewis.
I agree
1 Frenchie per team
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So how heated does this 3-way rivalry get w/ BOS & MIA if...
Barnes signs with Miami?!? Oh boy…
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Even if he does it will make me sad but I'll never boo Matt Barnes
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THIS!
I'm a dude!
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I was thinking the exact same thing.
That would be pretty crappy of MB. Because he wants the money and Miami can’t give him the money he wants, can they?
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
Yeah, I don't think they can.
The reasons I can see him doing it is for 1. Championship contender 2. Close to home. I don’t think he would do it out of spite towards Orlando, but then again, Otis did have some choice words for him about his Twitter.
FEAR THE MEER!
When asked about Barnes' tweets about getting offers from 6 other teams but not the Magic...
Otis said something along the lines of: “Well if he wasn’t tweeting so much about it, maybe he would get one [an offer].”
Also, something like: “He should know by now that I don’t like to make things public”
FEAR THE MEER!
Lol and that's why I wouldn't be surprised if he takes his talents to South Beach too
FEAR THE MEER!
Not enough money
I can’t see Barnes knocking back millions of dollars out of spite.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
We shouldn't keep on heads in the sand.
It’s very reasonable to believe this signing affects the Magic’s decisions w/r/t Barnes and JJ. Of course, the Magic may still match JJ’s offer, but I think the most natural inference is that this signing makes matching JJ somewhat less likely. (And that wouldn’t, necessarily, be a horrible outcome.)
As for Q, he’s a good fit, though I wish he had a bit more size at the defensive end…
by gift of the magi on Jul 12, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
I disagree that this makes us less likely to match JJ.
If/when we match JJ, we’ll have 4 wings under contract. JJ is better than anything we can get with the remainder of the MLE or BAE (whichever one we didn’t use on Q-Rich) so I think he’ll most likely stay.
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Why do you think Otis is taking so long to match JJ? Is it custom to wait till the final moment?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
To make Chicago wait and limit its options on the market once we match.
Remember when we held Dallas’ MLE hostage last year?
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yeah but that was because we wanted Bass…this is different…why fuck over Chicago? that was a power move with Dallas cause we signed Bass so they would offer Gortat the contract and then we matched to get them both.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
this is smart
it teaches other teams to not F with your RFA.. Especially guys that we took the time to develop
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS!
I'm a dude!
Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U
its bad business to develop players and get nothing in return
Which makes resigning JJ pretty much a give in
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bulls are a team on the rise...
and if you have a chance to stunt their growth, you do it.
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Really?!
Noah cant guard Dwight. He is essentially Anderson Varejao with a better rep
Rose is a SG playing PG who still doesnt have a consistent outside shot
Deng is injury prone and not a go to scorer these days
Boozer is good but doesnt have Deron Williams creating for him anymore
I’m not worried about this team
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Noah is way better than Varejao.
I’m not worried about them either, but the Bulls will still be good. Not Magic good, but good.
Pretty much this.
I think they’ll be a 4 seed at most this year unless injuries get to Boston again.
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I'll put them at n°3 of rivals in the east behind heat and boston,
last year I though even Bobcats were tougher than them, we’ll see, maybe you’re right
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When one of the departing rotation guys is an average players is, depsite Orlando'
by gift of the magi on Jul 12, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
fans' collective affections, an average SG being offered a slightly above-average contract and we could earn better value for our dollar elsewhere
by gift of the magi on Jul 12, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Redick was the most efficient offensive player in the NBA last season. He is not replaceable. The Magic have no choice but to match.
“Value” is irrelevant when you’re a tax-paying team that intends to continue paying the tax.
But you can't cherry-pick statistics for a guy that you happen to like
Nor we should cherry-pick seasons. I like Redick, but why have collectively decided that last season was natural player progression rather than something of a fluke?
“Value” is relevant to a team that is conscious of how far over the cap it plans to fo.
by gift of the magi on Jul 12, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
that was the year he asked for a trade right?
SPECULATION ALERT
I thought he was feeling sorry for his self and just didnt put in the work
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember, if the Magic don't keep JJ they only have the 1.9 mil BAE left to sign another wing
either that of get a broken down vet for the vet minimum.
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I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Or trade our broken down vet.
Just KIDDING!
Only saying that free agency isn’t the only way to make moves.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, we should trade Bass for a basketball player, almost any basketball player
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
snark is appreciated
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Barnes doesn't sign there...
Boston took O’neal, and we hate Boston, we took Q-Rich, and Miami is mad at us, and it will be a deadly game once Orlando plays Miami.
I'm Mr.Magic
I forgot about Jermaine to Boston.
That is a lot of player swapping between these teams, especially if Barnes goes crosses fingers
FEAR THE MEER!
So, by this move it's 4-1 offense all the time..?
Riddle me this? What happens if we lose using the 4-1 offense in the playoffs this time around?? What are y’all gonna say then?? A team of shooters who don’t show up when it counts, leaving Howard by himself to get boards when they miss.
I’m sorry for the negativity, but I’m pissed with these moves. Duhon, now Q-Rich?? Who’s next? Mr “Protoge” himself?? -We’ll have the NY Knicks South!
All it takes is for us to bump into a “TRUE” 5-Man team (Celtics/Lakers), and we lose.
What are you going to say if the Magic win?
Just lucky?
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If they win..
I will apologize to every 4-1 supporter on OPP by Name and promise that I will shut my yap on the 4-1 offense and SVG.
remember my name
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr. NC Magic Fan will do.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Magic win the championship . . .
I think everybody should apologize to each other and then engage in one big euphoric hug.
Not me though, for I apologize to nothing.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
You do realize Q isnt playing PF for us right?
its never a bad idea to add shooters to a halfcourt offense. Even if we add the traditional PF were still gonna need guys to hit the spot up 3.
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course I know that.
But I’ve went to the Knicks games.. He’s Some-timey. One game he’s on fire sinking 3’s, then the next 5-6 games, he’s bricking 8 ft jumpers! He shows up when he wants to.
I haven’t been following him on his tenure with the Heat, but when he was with the Knicks, sometimes you seen him, sometimes you didn’t.
Well..... everyone sucks when they're on the Knicks
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If that were true...
…I’d be thrilled. If he could somehow will himself into being a better player, but didn’t do it on the Knicks because really, who cares?, that’d be great.
Unfortunately, that’s not true. Players sometimes make shots and sometimes miss shots because that’s how the law of averages works, not because they have the mystical power to shoot 60% on threes but don’t care enough to use it sometimes.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
Yes, Boston and LA's success has NOTHING to do with them being really good.
It’s all the fact they have a “traditional” line-up… It’s a wonder Sacramento and Detroit didn’t meet in the finals with their traditional line-ups.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
who are you replying too?
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy who criticizes every move ever made by Otis.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Since you're so pissed with the Duhon and Q-Rich moves
Who would you have added instead using only the MLE? Remember we have to fill the back-up PG and starting SF spots primarily
What's the alternative?
We can’t trade Rashard and can’t get a PF who could make a switch to a traditional lineup (with ’Shard’s bad D at SF) workable.
Look, if we could have got Boozer or Bosh for the PF spot, that’s a different story – maybe then you make a switch to the traditional lineup. But what are you asking for? A guy who can’t play team D and doesn’t rebound in Brandon Bass starting just so we can have a “traditional” lineup?
You’re living in a dream world, man. This is the reality we’re in, we’re making the best of it and as long as we can’t get an elite PF in to cover for Shard’s bad midrange D at SF, the 4-1 is here to stay.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson doesn't change our philosophy
It’s still 4-1.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
you just reminded me of a great episode of Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Hundred Dollar Baby.. find and watch it if you havent seen it
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry this is a little off topic,
I’m not an espn insider, but there is a rumor that hints at Chris Paul, and Carmelo Anthony joining Stoudemire in NY to form their own big three. Im sure it’s just a rumor, but this is getting to be pretty ridiculous.
by Hassanali181 on Jul 12, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
New York Knicks....
where “clearing cap space for (insert name here) in (year)” happens.
I'm a dude!
Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U
Chris Paul made comments at Carmelo's wedding that they would form their own big 3
Stern will likely fine him for that.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
well, it was in NY, what did he expect ? Fans spoiled by his game ?
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
where'd they have it the garden?
hard to believe the wedding was open to the public
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this good?
"The Cavaliers were a contender to win the finals therefore they will always be a threat to contend for a title."~Wally Balls 407
No, it's very very bad.
Depending on what you is talking ’bout.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
The thread topic
Signing Chris Duhon. Sorry for having confused you,Some Other guy
"The Cavaliers were a contender to win the finals therefore they will always be a threat to contend for a title."~Wally Balls 407
Q-Rich is good for our system, that is.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
you mean Q-Rich, I think you are a little confused yourself
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
Yeah I shoudn't type before the Morning Binger!
"The Cavaliers were a contender to win the finals therefore they will always be a threat to contend for a title."~Wally Balls 407
Good replacement
for Barnes. Better shooter, but Barnes had a better nose for the ball with cuts and rebounds. But I heard he Miami was looking to re-sign him so the Magic swooped in.
But wow, our team salary is high. If we match JJ’s offer, we’re at about 90 mil. The bench (Duhon, JJ, Pietrus, Gortat, Bass, Anderson, Orton) puts the bench’s salary around 30 mil. Only Dallas has a more expensive bench.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
Rich DeVos is actually...
net worth of $4.6 billion to Mark Cuban’s $2.3 billion.
I'm a dude!
Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U
Well...
His name is Rich.
FEAR THE MEER!
by bandrewg08 on Jul 12, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
VERY true!
I'm a dude!
Orlando Pinstriped Post: Where game threads turn into online chat rooms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U
In your face, Mark Cuban!!!!!
Our dying owner who sold cheap crap for a living makes more money than you!
With that said, I don’t mind Cuban that much. I think he’s actually good for the league, annoying or not.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
+ he did produced 1 or 2 decent movies. On the annoying side he now has a rival up in Cleveland
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
Here Comes a New Challenger!
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Cuban
He’s colourful and clearly passionate about the NBA and the Mavs. The league needs more owners like that and less deadbeats.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cuban would have the same reaction to Lebron leaving IMO
but he would have get him a better roster
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
Maybe
I’m still not convinced the Cavs didn’t do pretty much everything they could to get James a decent roster.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody's saying they didn't try.
We’re saying that if they were trying, and the best they did in seven years was Anderson Varejao and a mid-season Antawn Jamison, they’re idiots.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
And I'm saying
I think that was the best they could reasonably have done.
They put enough pieces around James to get to the finals, to have the best record in the league on multiple occassions. No, they didn’t go and get him Gasol or Bosh or Boozer or Paul, because those guys can’t be had in trades unless you get very, very lucky.
I’m saying there was nothing more they could have done. Maybe they could have got Stoudamire last season, but James was gone by then anyway.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 14, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
In seven years?
We’re not talking about “Gasol or Bosh or Boozer or Paul”. We’re talking about even one above-average starter.
We’re talking about players of the caliber of Nelson, Lewis, Carter or Hedo — the kind of guys who certainly are available, in trade or in free agency or occasionally in the draft. (There might have been a couple years in there when Ilgauskas was on that level, before he became too old/fragile to play the minutes of a starter.)
We’re talking about the kind of player who would’ve been a no. 3 guy on a championship team. Not a Gasol, not a Scottie Pippen, not a Tony Parker even. The Magic’s fourth-best guy has been better than the Cavs’ second-best guy for at least two seasons. Same for the Celtics.
We’re not talking about getting a second star, though that would have been nice. We’re talking about an effective supporting player who’s capable of doing more things than Varejao, and has fewer glaring liabilities than Mo Williams.
There are a hundred guys at least that good in the league at any given time, and somehow, not one managed to find his way to the Cavs… over the span of over five years. Maybe Jamison would’ve been one of those guys, if he had showed up before the season and the coach had been able to write him into the playbook. But that didn’t happen.
Or to put it differently, the New Jersey Nets’ no. 2 man this year was better than the Cavs’. The Minnesota Timberwolves’ no. 2 man this year was better than the Cavs. The Washington Wizards…
…well, the Cavs got the Wizards’ no. 3 man. The top 2 got suspended and went to Dallas, respectively. So, you know, good for them. Only no, actually, not good. Pathetic.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
And, as I told you before
The Cavs put at least one above average starter around James in every single season he was there, usually two, and last year, three.
I’m sorry, but you can’t just pretend Ilgausakas, an All-Star center, is a scrub. You can’t just pretend Gooden was an awful player. You can’t pretend Shaq didn’t contribute, that Jamison wasn’t seen as a key piece, that Mo Williams wasn’t a great steal. These things all made sense at the time, all gave James pieces to work with and are all above average NBA players.
You may not want to acknowledge that, but it’s still true.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 14, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not true, though.
The seasons you were quoting, Ilgauskas and Shaq were playing 20-25 minutes a game. Jamison was ineffective because he was integrated poorly into the offense. Williams’ complete lack of defensive ability may have been the biggest factor leading to the Celtics’ win over the Cavs this year, and he’s never been able to run an offense. Gooden was (and is) also a terrible defender… a poor man’s Chris Gatling.
None of them is worthless as a player… though Williams comes close. But none of them is an above-average 30+ mpg starter, except Jamison, who wasn’t even in the playbook.
You put down those PER numbers like they were the be-all and end-all of something, but PER doesn’t account for minutes played, it doesn’t account for defense, and it gives a lot of credit for sheer bulk usage. It’s a flawed stat for a lot of reasons.
I mean, really. Is there a Cavs player who you would’ve taken over any top-3 guy on another contending team? The third guy on the Magic, the Celtics, the Lakers… even the Hawks was better than anyone the Cavs had this year. (Probably some other Western Conference contenders, too.) In at least some of those cases, the fourth-best guy was better too.
I want to hear you counter that. You can quote stuff like PER and stand at a distance, but you can’t say “here’s a Cavs player, and here’s who I would have taken him over.” Because when you start looking at all the details, your argument falls apart.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
I get it
LeBron was good enough to win 66 and 61 games him self, but when the playoffs rolled around he suddenly was not as good any more!
LeChoke?
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 15, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that he was.
James’ averages during the Boston series this year were right up there with his season averages. (Shooting and assists were a little worse, but that’s to be expected given Boston’s defense and the slowness of the games.) He did his part.
And you remember the Orlando series last year — probably the best 7-game individual performance I’ve seen. (Yes, that includes most of Jordan’s career.) He did more than his part.
But the Cavs lost, because the rest of the team failed him. And then this year, they did it again.
It’s not reasonable to expect a player to be more than he is. (Even if he was during the Orlando series.) It’s also not reasonable to expect a one-man team to win the title. They never do… they’re too dependent on their one star. So one of two things happens: either they face a strong defensive team who can keep that star in check, and they lose, or else they face a team who lets the star do his thing but stops his supporting cast. And even for a one-star team, the Cavs’ talent was unusually concentrated in the person of one man.
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
I like this signing
Q-Rich only seems to bring the toughness when it comes to Boston, but I can see him as our James Posey. How did Q-Rich fare against Pierce in the first round of the playoffs?
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
Good and Bad.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
Better than Barnes..
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
Yeah, I just looked at the box scores for Boston against the Magic & Heat
Q-Rich seemed to have fare better than Barnes against Pierce. If nothing else, if Boston & Orlando face off in the playoffs again, it should make for an extra feisty contest.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
I was looking at DRTG.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
Good god I hope they keep Reddick...
Hes our future at SG once Vince contract is up next year.
by ap3604 on Jul 12, 2010 4:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
June 29th, 2011
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
June 29, 2011
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And Shard on June 29th 2013
Don’t see anyone wanting him for his guaranteed $22M next year or $24M the year after. D12 has a player option for 2012/13 which is Shard’s last guaranteed year. I sure hope D12 doesn’t bolt for 2012/13 because he wants to team up with Deron Williams (also player option for 2012/13 and Oly team mate) and not want to wait on Orlando to get more cap space and sign another key player. Let’s hope Shard earns his $22M in 2011-12 and then it doesn’t matter. A return to his last year in Seattle (his contract year of 2006) numbers of 22.37 PPG and 6.6 RPG would be awesome. A whole lot better than leading this list
http://www.hotstovenewyork.com/2010/06/15/most-overpaid-nba-players-for-20102011
Dude
He’s not going to get close to that on a team with as many scoring options as the Magic and a C in Howard grabbing 14 boards a game.
Hint: usage rate. It exists.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Shard will NEVER "earn" his 22M a year when Lebron Wade Bosh are making 16.
what a contractual mess..
Good Move
Not a down grade at the position and a better 3 point threat. Is it possible to trade Bass for a draft pick and take that 4 mil to help re-sign JJ and possibly pick up Al Harrington as instant offense off the bench at the 3/4?
Harrington is Horrible.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
Why would we need "instant offense off the bench at the 3/4"?
Isn’t that what Pietrus and Ryan Anderson already do?
I call him LeBron Jim for short.
We can trade Bass for a draft pick
But it makes no difference to if we can re-sign JJ or pick-up Al Harrington (who is a bad fit in Orlando).
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
NOTE: Denton article does not say the MLE offer made to Barnes...
….is the same offer made to Richardson. Might be for the BAE, since Potvak says the deal is 2 years and a little over $4M. Have to wait to find out.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
John Denton of OrlandoMagic.com reports that Richardson's deal is worth the remainder of the
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME!!!!
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
MLE
rhanks for asking
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
wish we had an edit key sometimes,
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, it says we offered that to Barnes.
Doesn’t give details on QRich offer. I read it repeatedly.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually think Orlando is better off with Q rather than Barnes
Q, while not as good defensively as Barnes, is still a good defender and his offensive game is so much more developed than Matt’s it will likely mask any defensive deficiencies he has compared to Barnes. He’s just as good of a rebounder, as well and commits less turnovers as well.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jul 12, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
He's not quite as good a passer either
But, as you say, a better ballhandler.
A vastly better three point shooter though, which is nice.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Those guys must have accepted a fair way below the max
If the Heat have enough to throw $4m at both Haslem and Miller.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Haslem said, “Turned down full mid level from Dallas and Denver. See u next season.”
Now don’t tell me you believe that the Heat won’t find other ways to pay the 3 some more money.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
Unless you're suggesting salary cap fraud...
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, I’m not big on conspiracy but I believe they’ll get some extra than what is written down, if that is what they want. It also shows that Pat didn’t count on signing only mim vet guys, they really want the ring the first year. I’m curious to see what they’ll land on center.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
I'm a little surprised
That they seem to be spending all their available money on depth guys rather than a starting C or a PG. I can’t help but feel that they’d have been better off giving $4m contracts to Ridnour and Brad Miller over a guy, good as he is, who won’t start and a stretch wing when you don’t have a PG.
Maybe they’re going to run Bosh at C next season and Wade as the point.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
with wade and LBJ I would give more importance to C.
I hope they’ll play Bosh at C (doubt it though) so that Dwight can destroy him. They’ve been talking about the Haslem move though.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
This
Wade and LeBron will run the offense. I think Chalmers can handle bringing the ball up the court. As for center’s there isnt anybody out there that is going to be any better than what they have (Vernado and Pittman)
They’re just gonna have to foul and help on Dwight like crazy. Or let Dwight get his and smother everyone else
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying it won't work
Just that it’s a little surprising you’d build a team that way.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Get used to Wade or LeBron at the point.
At least for part of the game.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
by magicfaninTN on Jul 12, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW they got Miller too.
Everybody keeps talking about sacrifice so much in that team. Get the violins out, this beats any hollywood dramatic build up.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
I like this deal
I still think we overpaid Duhon, but getting Q-Rich for this price makes that OK. Between the two of them, they’re probably about worth the MLE. The thing that concerned me most about giving Duhon so much money was that we wouldn’t be able to get a decent SF option, whether that was Barnes or bringing someone in. But Richardson’s a baller – very similar to Barnes overall, with his good ballhandling, more efficient scoring and better three point shooting offsetting his slightly lesser creativity and rebounding.
I do tend to think we seem to be going the depth rather than talent option, though – if we bring back JJ we’re going to be paying a lot of money to our second five, which is great, but the NBA tends to be a top heavy team and I worry that our top isn’t heavy enough.
It pains me to know
that unless Vince Carter regains his allstar form, next year it’s likely we wont we winning a title. Duhon maybe a slight improvement from Jwilliams and AJ but Q isnt good defensively so I hope we dont regress defensively.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
Yeah I think we can still beat the new Miami but were not beating LA with this team
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wade gives us problems
now we have to deal with him and Lebron, and Bosh also usually have good games against us just hope that they dont get decent role players.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
PANIC! PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!
We are going 0-82!!
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Q-Rich
Actually had a pretty solid defensive rating last year – 104 to Barnes’ 103. He didn’t have Dwight covering for him, either.
Both have the same career rating – 108 – and both have probably played on a similar amount of crappy defensive teams, given their Knicks past, and the run and gun Suns and Warriors on their resumes.
I don’t think Richardson’s going to be a black hole defensively.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not all about the numbers with Barnes
Barnes was our only hustle player similiar to what Varejao provides the Cavs. He was the only one at least trying to assist Dwight on the boards, always actively slashing to the rim for easy buckets. hit the occasional 3 pointer and steady defensive. Quentin is not that type of player if his 3 pointers are not falling what else is he gonna provide.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
Defense
Rebounding. Not throwing the ball to people in the stands.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
your mistaken on Q's rebounding
Q (already loving the fact I dont have to type his name out) averaged 5 rebounds last year with the Heat. Barnes averaged 5.5. You cant get half a rebound in a game so there isnt much difference in their rebounding totals. Q actually has better rebounding #‘s over his career than Barnes. Expect Q’s numbers to go up like Barnes. Which I suspect is because Reshard really is a poor rebounder
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He is for a PF, yes
He’s about average for a SF, at least historically. Maybe not so much these days.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Barnes could never flop like Vareflopjeo
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talkin about
it just got started
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
you're one of those people who don't know when to leave a party, aren't you
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 12, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooo harsh
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont go to parties unless I throw them
that way I can pass out in my own bed
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I like this signing
Magic are serious contenders and will win the finals this year. Now we only need to just develop as a team and not let everyone ball-hog. Let’s let vc be our turk and let d12 carry the show.
i.e. Lets try what we did last year. its sure to work this time around
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see the Celtics blowing up their team
They didn’t win the title either, obviously their strategy is completely wrong.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate to tell ya but were not winning $#*& with VC
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!
We are going 0-83
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Jul 12, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
obviously 0-90
we won’t win any games in the pre-season either
you forgot to add Summer League
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! We won a game in the Summer League
The doom and gloom can now subside.
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THE VINCE CARTER CURSE!
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
Maybe, maybe not
But none of the alternatives make the team better.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 12, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m only going to like this IF and WHEN we resign jj.
i think otis wouldn’t let jj walk, but, it might not be up to him. yes the owners say…but 13 million ish a year is a lot of money.
i dont know how this couldnt make it less likely to resign jj. how does it make it MORE LIKELY?!
but, as everyone already said, IF we reign JJ this might be a double win- player for us that doesn’t go to da Bulls. Have fun with Kyle Korver!
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
JJ Redick will win the 6th Man Award this coming year..........
watch………….
Just one man's opinion...
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by GameManager on Jul 12, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You're everywhere...
J.J. Redick is being mentioned.
I'm a dude!
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by GameManager on Jul 12, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
need to make sure everyone remembers I hate him
in case anyone forgets lol
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 13, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
don't lie...............im sure u have a JJ poster in ur room
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Jul 13, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
oh go on, you
you know me too well :3
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 13, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree!
I'm a dude!
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by GameManager on Jul 12, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Otis is the consumate chess player..
he loves to hold the other teams hostage, and kudos for agreeing to terms for Q-Rich!
There's a small part of me
That wonders if perhaps Otis isn’t going to match JJ. Pietrus, Richardson and either Barnes or a veteran minimum guy can probably just about provide enough as backup SGs and at the starting SF position to get us through. As a backup who can only really play one position, Redick might be seen by the front office as being overpaid at $7m+ if Richardson can do a similar backup job, plus provide 15 minutes or so at SF, for $2.4m.
I guess I hope I’m wrong, because I’d love to see JJ back, but I don’t think this is as cut and dried as maybe it seems right now.
im glad we’ve found something to agree on.
otis is smart. im starting to buy the delay tactic to screw chi conspiracy theory.
but, the counter to what you said is Bianchi’s article about how 7 might be a bargain if he’s the starting SG after vc’s contract expires.
not saying i agree…but if it plays out that way, might be some truth to it.
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a fan of this deal
He’s had a history of injuries, he is known really for his three point shooting (and hes streaky at that), his defense is overrated (if at all) because he’s really an undersized Small forward (so good luck getting him to guard Durant and James). And people need to really dead that talk about how he gets into Paul Pierce’s head because so far it seems to help Pierce more than anything and spur on the Celtics.
Oh he’ll love Stan’s system of gunning the 3, but having another forward who only likes to stay behind the 3 point line doesnt answer the need for a low post forward.
Its too easy to blame Otis, because ultimately he’s gotta make changes and not overpay guys he cant afford even if they are needed (Barnes) even if it means getting whats only out there, but damn c’mon son Duhon and Richardson?
Losing Matt Barnes is a real shame, wonder if JJ is out the door next or if he really will match the offer? Otis sure likes to torture our restricted free agents dont he?
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Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
Why do the Magic need a low-post forward when they have Howard down there?
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 13, 2010 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Dwight really has improved working with Hakeem sure
But he struggled against aggressive bigs a lot last season.
Also re Lewis: if he would like to post up more that would be great but he seems to be content playing the 4 as a 3 still.
I am glad to see your finally on the Bass bandwagon though, but at this point it seems like he maybe gone as well.
"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS
Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
by Wasabi Steak on Jul 13, 2010 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking at the stats from 82games, Richardson looks like a blend of Pietrus and Barnes
He has a low rate of drawing fouls (5.1%); Pietrus and Barnes are both in the 8-10% range, so we won’t see Q at the line often.
His shot selection is similar to Peaches’ in that about 80% of their shots are jumpers; Barnes is only 54%.
Q rebounds more like Barnes, grabbing 3.3% of offensive board opportunities and 15.6% of defensive opps (Barnes is 5.6/16.3, Pietrus is 2.4/10.1).
He doesn’t block well, only averaging 0.4 per 48 minutes, which is inferior to both of last year’s SFs.
Conversely, he’s a better handler. Pietrus had an 8 hands rating, and Barnes a 10.5, while Q rated a 14.8. He’s also about halfway between the two as a passer, with a 2.3 rating and 2.2 assists/48 (Barnes was a 2.4 rating and 3.1 assists, Pietrus was a 0.9 with 1.4 assists).
Overall, I’d say he’s probably a slight downgrade from Barnes on defense, but if he’s able to act as a slasher as well as still being a good shooter from outside, he could be an upgrade on offense. I seem to recall he also does some good work off the block on offense, though I’m not sure how that will fit in with our offensive scheme.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Given the fact he's a bit undersized and he's smooth from downtown
I don’t think he’ll be inclined to cut as much as Barnes did.
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