Orlando Magic Center Daniel Orton Struggles in Orlando Pro Summer League
If any consensus was reached after the Orlando Magic selected freshman Kentucky center Daniel Orton with the 29th pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, it was that Orton's raw abilities make him a tantalizing prospect, but also one who won't contribute at the NBA level for several years. His performance in last week's AirTran Orlando Pro Summer League, which I covered live for SBNation.com, only reinforced that idea. Orton never asserted himself at either end of the floor, instead only showing the briefest glimpses of potential before fading into the background, as more skilled players became more prominent.
After the jump, his game log, a look at his stats, and what it all means.
| Date | Result | Mins | Pts | Rebs | Blks | TOs | PFs | FGs | FTs |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 5 July | L, 86-77 | 13 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 5 | 1/8 | 1/4 |
| 6 July | L, 78-73 | 17 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0/6 | 2/4 |
| 7 July | L, 94-91 | 17 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 0/0 | 4/6 |
| 8 July | L, 80-78 | 17 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2/6 | 0/0 |
| 9 July | W, 80-77 | 20 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 1/7 | 1/3 |
| TOTALS | 86 | 16 | 9 | 7 | 12 | 17 | 4/27 | 8/17 | |
| AVERAGES | 17.2 | 3.2 | 1.8 | 1.4 | 2.4 | 3.4 | 14.8% | 47.1% | |
Red flags abound in Orton's play. Just 9 rebounds in 86 minutes as a center, for instance, which is less than half an acceptable figure for a center. 14.8% shooting, which is horrible by any standard, for another.
They go beyond statistics. Orton doesn't look comfortable with the ball. Tentative, as though he doesn't quite know what to do with it. To be fair, he didn't get many touches. But when he did? Maybe a few dribbles in place, and then a hook shot-putted to the basket. Some of the offerings didn't draw iron, instead dropping well short of the hoop.
His face-up game is similarly unrefined. You appreciate the willingness to branch out, perhaps, but he shoots his jumpers with a similar lack of touch and confidence. He seems more likely to face-up from the right side as opposed to the left. I employ the therm "jumper" loosely, as his shot is more set, with little lift. The lone set-shot he made, then, came from the top of the arc on Thursday afternoon. Line-drive right to the back of the rim, the ball kicked around a bit, and dropped.
About the best I can say for Orton is he's big. And Magic assistant coach Patrick Ewing, who took command of the summer-league squad, praised Orton's attitude, saying, "he’s very coachable and he wants to work." ESPN analyst David Thorpe is right, though: Orton has much to learn. He is several seasons away from being a rotation-caliber player at this level, which is understandable. As one team official told me last week, Orton missed his senior year of high school due to a knee injury and played only sparingly at Kentucky in his lone year of college. In a way, he's like a high-school senior or a college freshman playing in the big leagues. That's probably fine with GM Otis Smith, who said on Draft night that Orton is a guy "you don't necessarily have to use today."
For what it's worth, I do think Orton played harder and better on the final two days of the league. Maybe he settled down. But he ran the floor harder and pursued rebounds more intently on those days, it seemed to me. He has myriad steps to take and ways to improve, but the skill topping my imaginary list is rebounding. If he improves nothing else besides his rebounding, he can still have a rewarding NBA career, as rebounding is always in demand. And a rebound every 9.5 minutes in summer-league play won't cut it.
But a more pressing concern might not be skill improvement, necessarily: he may just need to hit the gym. Orton repeatedly mentioned that tired legs dogged him throughout the week, which sapped his energy. Orton has to put a lot of work in here as well.
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Honest assessment, BQR.
Still not sure at this point what FO was thinking on this choice. I was okay with it on draft night, but in hindsight, lots of ready-sooner talent went later than Orton. He may be through his entire rookie contract before his potential shows up….if it ever does.
Hard to watch young, 2nd round picks who will be contributors this season already being identified in summer league.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
Would like to see Orton work with Thorpe like CLee did.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case
"...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
I think it's nothing but improvement just by playing with Howard
at 19, he’s real young and should act like a sponge around Howard and Ewing and get down with Howards training exercise. he can only get stronger. You never know, he may be our starting PF of the future.
He would've come out better if he showed some interest,
and honestly I just didn’t see it. I’m sorry to say but I think Otis just blew it.
A Magic draft that wasn’t picked #1 is struggling…you don’t say….
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The Magic should send him to the Dleague
he hasn’t player regular minutes since high school.This would make him a better player in long run. He should only have go there for 1/2 a season
Very Good idea
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
cant do it
he has a guaranteed contract
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
unless we trade him 4 nothing
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
plus 30 something college games
with the 1 year college required, why even draft a guy on “pure potential”, if you can’t get on the court in college your not likely to succeed at the NBA level. Guys like this need to stay in school. Let him develop on Kentucky’s dime, not ours. Big wiff by Otis, IMO.
by DoubleNickel on Jul 12, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
wasn't suggesting we send him back or anything.
I just do see the point on drafting a guy like this when you consider yourself a contender. Obviously options are limited at 29th pick but we need people who can contribute now. If you can’t get that, sell/trade the pick.
by DoubleNickel on Jul 12, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
never saw what he got for a contract, and i’m not an expert on NBA salary cap and all the different exceptions but i know we are hurting for cash and we need to sign Barnes and/or JJ or we are in trouble.
by DoubleNickel on Jul 12, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Otis drafted him
with the intentions of moving him to NO in a CP3 deal that fell through. Why else would we draft someone at our most stacked position unless he was drafted because Gortat is going to be moved but logic would then suggest that we would replace Gortat with a vet who actually has the foundation to log effective minutes immediately and not 3 years after Gortat is traded. I agree, a swing and a miss by Otis.
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What's your take on it?
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OT: seems like Matt Barnes' Magic days are over but I'll wait for Ben's take on this
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So with Orton playing so bad
Does that open the door for Paul Davis? I some with Clippers and thought he was OK.
I guess it depends if Gortat/Bass/Carter get traded.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
Yeah, a bit of googling on him shows he has interest in the Israeli league
Paul Davis would rip it up there. Then again Adonal Foyle would probably still be beast there.
I had high hopes for Orton in the summer league, then it dipped in greater increments.
everyone is underestimating Orton and forgetting ROLES! we dont need Orton to lead the bench is scoring! why cant bass stay on the court? b/c despite having a solid offensive game, he cant thrive in our defensive system!
i expect orton to get some play, assuming gortat is traded, simply b/c he can defend. sure, his offensive game needs work. and, im sure he d needs some fine tuning, but give the man some credit. even in limited time at uk he avgd a blk per game.
my biggest concern…rebounding! if he cant reb better, then he will sit the bench!
by thejugs on Jul 12, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions
I think D-League would be better then sitting him on the bench.
He’d out there playing 25-30 minutes there.He needs the D league for half a season or something.I still think he could a good player
Maybe we get lucky
And he turns into the next Jermaine O’Neal. He struggled his first 4 years in the league and then exploded.
Yeah, but O'Neal did it with another team
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
The only problem with the D-league plan
Is that right now I don’t think he’s got the skillset to get 30 minutes a game in the D-league. D-league coaches want to keep their jobs just as much as anyone else, and I can’t see them starting a guy who doesn’t rebound and can’t score just to make the Magic happy.
Orton needs a year of solid development and coaching, just to develop the skills to play in the D-league. He’s so very raw – miles away from being a professional basketball player, never mind an NBA one.
We'll have to have lots of patience to see if Orton can eventually develop into a good role player off the bench
Three or four years from now, who knows, maybe he will be able to play 15-18 minutes a game and contribute in a meaningful way.
All we can do is hope for the best.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jul 12, 2010 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
He just needs to get in shape and gain some confidence.
Every time I saw him looked fat and defeated. D12 will whip his arse into shape. Sparring worked wonders for the Hammer. Patience Grasshopper. If you thought he alone was our win now scenerio, you don’t really know the game. And for the record. I do think he was drafted as a filler in a trade, quite possibly for CP3. But it fell through and who would ever acknowledge it ever existed. Ignorance is bliss.
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what was he doing last year?
wasn’t he supposed to be “sparring” against two 1st round picks everyday in practice? I watched two of the summer league games and I concur, he looked fat and defeated. I also saw a lack of movement and effort. Maybe he was just that out of shape, but that begs the question: what has he been doing this past 3 months?
by DoubleNickel on Jul 13, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn't look too interested in the games either.
His team mates won’t take that. He WILL get better. I have no doubts.
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Maybe he will
Or maybe he’ll sit around on his butt sulking, doing nothing, getting paid, and wash out of the league in two years.
Does he have the mentality and desire to be a professional NBA player, or was he just seeking the quickest payday he could? We’ll find out, but I don’t think we can assume anything at this point. Plenty of “NBA bodies” and “NBA talant” type guys wash out of the league, Orton won’t be the first. If he wants it, it’s there…does he want it?
by eltharion_doa on Jul 13, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions

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