Realistic Trades Involving Chris Paul
by Souwantmyname on Jun 24, 2010 4:50 PM EDT
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New Orleans Hornets obtain: Jameer Nelson, Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat
Cap Total: $30, 344,542
Orlando Magic obtain: Chris Paul, Peja Stojakavic
Cap Total: $30,275,000
Why New Orleans does this?
Vince Carter 17m comes off the books after next year since he has a team option for 18m which NO would be sure to waive. They also obtain a relatively young All-Star PG in Jameer Nelson for roughly half the cost of Chris Paul. In obtaining Marcin Gortat they will give themselves some flexibility in the trade market since Gortat has significant trade value. Whether they wish to keep Gortat or Okafor they would still have a viable option at center.
Why Orlando does this?
Chris Paul is arguably the best PG in the NBA. He has the range, passing, leadership and drive that puts him among the upper echelon of NBA players. The Magic are in desperate need of leadership and playmaking on the wing. Chris Paul provides the knock down shooting required for our system but brings his 10 assists a night as well. Peja Stojakavic is the bad contract/filler in this trade. He may still be able to contribute as a situational role type player since we have a system best suited for his game. The biggest positive however concerning Peja is his 15m expires after next year.
Alternatives:
Okafor 11m and Songaila 4m replaces Peja in the trade
Mickael Pietrus 5.3m and Ryan Anderson 1.4 replace Marcin Gortat
Well there it is. What do you all think? Chris Paul approves...
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I doubt that it would happen, but if it did we would have to replace vince with a sg not named jj redick.
Nothing there for NO
Except dumping salary. Nelson and Gortat aren’t nearly good enough to make up for losing the best PG in the league. It’d definitely be the Songaila and Okafor option too, as Peja’s an expiring contract and there’s no way the Hornets are going to trade that.
Just to clarify
I don’t think that’s a horrible deal or anything, but I think NO will expect to get more.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 24, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I think obtaining 2 young viable options at both center and PG for a player you cant afford isnt "nothing"
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jun 24, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That's too much to deal.
Paul’s great, but this would leave us with no SGs (except Pietrus, who really shouldn’t play SG) and no backup center.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
JJ doesn't count?
He’s a SG last I checked.
by BlueSkyOneCloud on Jun 24, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't have JJ.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
We do until we decide he's too expensive.
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 24, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now JJ is a must resign
he’s (finally) made himself into a solid NBA player.. JJ essentially went to waste last year since he never got to play with Dwight. When called upon he stepped up big. I cant believe I’m saying this but its time to trust JJ with a starting spot
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jun 24, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
CP3 trade is not just smoke and mirrors
Source (high school and college friend as well as someone who covers the Magic for a respectable publication) says that the CP3 trade might happen. Apparently (Ben could confirm or deny this) he can not get in touch with anyone from the organization…
Granted it’s draft night and all but it’s still odd.
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jun 24, 2010 8:36 PM EDT reply actions
Yea, Pingalore of ClickOrlando.com has a story. I dont know how legit he is, but if Okafor is holding up the trade, I feel ashamed for the Magic for not just grabbing Okafor too. CP3 is so easily worth it. Please Magic, Pleaseeeeeee just do it, if its true, just do it! :P
Heres the link:
http://www.clickorlando.com/magic/24029691/detail.html
assuming its real
the Hinrich for VC deal is not a bad plan, but Id be so dissapointed if it was Orlando side who let a CP3 trade fall thru their fingers like sand. Donno if they envision Hinrich at 2 or at backup 1, but he brings D and losing VC puts the onus on Jameer, Dwight, and Lewis again.
Really hope the rumor isn’t dead. W/ Pondexter gone and Vasquez just taken by the Grizz it will be interesting to see who we take now…
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jun 24, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
For whatever it's worth
Pingalore wasn’t my source :)
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jun 24, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Okafor's contract is SO bad I can see why it would hold the Magic up
Dwight and Okafor CANNOT play together at all. We thought Gortat was an expensive backup.. try an 11 million dollar backup
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jun 24, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
11.5, then 12.5, then 13.5, then 14.5
would be virtually untradeable
With Daniel Orton being drafted by us
I think New Orleans gave Orlando the shopping list, and it included the Hammer. Either that, or the Peaches/Hammer to Chicago rumors were true.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jun 24, 2010 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
Gotta believe this is part of a deal
I see no other reason why Orlando would take a C if we weren’t dumping Gortat.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jun 24, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
WHY didnt we?
draft Solomon Alabi, he was the best shot blocker in the draft and a LEGIT 7 FT! he also went to montverde academy in montverde fl :) right down the rd from orl
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
-Mark Twain
by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jun 24, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
'Cause he's awful.
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 24, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Orton has the better frame than Alabi
I can see us putting on the muscle with Orton
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jun 24, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
what about
Ortons bad knee? everyone forget about that?
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
-Mark Twain
by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jun 25, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
rolls eyes
uh, that was his senior year of high school
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 25, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
also rolls eyes....
please tell me your “professional” opinion of Alabi
P.s.
the magic didnt draft solomon beacuse he has hepatitis, the raptors said they would have not let him by them at 13 if he didnt have it!!!! yea 13!!!!
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
-Mark Twain
by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jun 25, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Raptors signed Hedo, too. *rimshot*
Look, both Orton and Alabi are acknowledged projects. Alabi has shown more of his ceiling in now at age 22 than Orton has in one year at age 19. Maybe Orton ends up a bust due to hiding his real limits behind a small sample size. If you’re going to get a project big and your 2 choices are pretty close in production, get the younger guy.
Just b/c Alabi was higher in some mocks doesn’t mean he’s better. GMs stink at drafting. Most mocks project where they think people will go, not where they should. Alabi is a post-lottery sophomore pick (except to the Raptors…maybe they think his name sounds like a European player). Most projected Orton a 2011 lottery if he stayed for his sophomore season.
I’m no “professional”, but I tended to agree with Ed Weiland again:
Alabi:
Solomon Alabi is both a project and a gamble. The ability and length is here, but he isn’t close to putting it all together. As an old sophomore, I can’t give him much credit for being young and inexperienced. Because he is tall and athletic, I expect him to stick around the league for awhile, but that will be more due to the league being unable to give up on him. As deep as this class is in big men, it would be a huge mistake to draft this guy in round one. Better to wait until round 2 and take a chance on Pittman or Samhan.
Orton:
We can say that right now he looks like nothing more than a NBA journeyman. But there are enough unknowns about him to add some intrigue to his prospect status. An athletic big man who has shown flashes is never a bad gamble as the draft gets past the lottery stage. Orton’s potential isn’t anywhere near as impressive as Whiteside’s. To me he looks like a player who could spend a long time in the league, but will be nothing more than a low minute, backup center for his entire career.Time will tell…..
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 25, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Both have their good and bad. Alabi’s taller (7’0" to 6’9"), but doesn’t have much more wingspan (7’5" to 7’4") or standing reach (9’5" to 9’2"). Alabi’s also physically weaker (10 reps to 13), slower (3.68 court run to 3.39), and less agile (13.2 lane agility to 12.3). Orton does need to get in better shape (he has a ridiculous 13.8% body fat), but for a guy who’s not in great shape, he’s got much more physical upside than Alabi. Both are definitely projects, but I’d consider Orton equal risk, higher reward.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Am I the only one that doesnt mind it bigs to have some body fat?
If having some extra weight makes you less likely to get shoved out of the post then I’m not against it. Zach Randolph and Baby Davis make it work
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jun 28, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
the deal is pretty close...
Check out my recent fanpost. Also, longtime reader first time poster, but I’ll definitely be around.
oops
just saw that this was already posted, but it can’t be that farfetched.
I tried to figure out exactly what Orlando would have to give up for Paul
I was very tired of seeing Chris Paul for Jameer and Vince with a $15m cap differential.. I was gonna make a fanshot like yourself but nobody every posts on those :)
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jun 24, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
about this:
this is worded pretty strongly. how reliable is this source? do they have any history regarding rumors? what do people make of this? it’s been a couple days and i haven’t heard anything else about this.
I don’t think anyone has heard anything about it since then.
I’m wondering if like the ppl who claimed this done or close to done got it from separate sources or compounded on one or two original sources. More sources = better.
by derekk on Jun 26, 2010 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hornets like Orton
http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2010/05/kentuckys_daniel_orton_could_f.html
Kentucky’s Daniel Orton could fill glaring vacancy for New Orleans Hornets
CP3 is the weakest and crying baby point guard in the league....
He is weak and a crying baby likeT Mac, he is not the best point guard in the league, Rajon Rondon,D Williams and Derrick Rose are for far better players than Paul, in bringing him to the Magic will break with the chemistry and peace of the team, he is not a winner and definitely not a team player, he is just an injury prone player and a crying baby like T Mac.
Is this from the Onion?
The irony of anyone calling the NBA’s active leader in assists per game “definitely not a team player” is too rich.
Look, if he stays healthy, he’s a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer. You can make a case that he’s better than Oscar Robertson was at the same age. He’s the best point guard in the league, has been for the last several seasons, and it’s not close.
Rondo is better than Paul... Rondo?.. Really?
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jun 25, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 25, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Who now happens to play for our Orlando Magic!
I'm a dude!
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How many rings Chris Paul have?
Why Jerry Sloan picked Deron Williams over Chris Paul?
If anyone here knows more basketball than Jerry Sloan, please explain why Deron Williams was selected over Chris Paul? Because Deron Williams is better and stronger
than Chris Paul who is weak and a crying baby, prone to injuries and selfish, and is guarantee that in less 5 years he won’t be a top 10 point guard in the league.
The same number of rings Jerry Sloan has, if you want to go there.
Sloan’s Jazz also picked Kosta Koufos ahead of Nicolas Batum and Serge Ibaka in 2008, as well as Sasha Pavlovic ahead of Boris Diaw and Travis Outlaw in 2003.
Williams is, without question, a franchise-level point guard. No one disputes that. But he isn’t on Chris Paul’s level. No one is.
Check this comparison. Paul is one year younger than Williams. He scores more efficiently (57% True Shooting to 55.9%), with more assists (46.8 assist rate to 41.6), and fewer turnovers (13.2 turnover rate to 16.6). Despite his smaller frame, Paul’s a much better rebounder (7.5 total rebound rate to 5.3). He’s more than twice as likely to record a steal (3.4 steal rate to 1.5 steal rate). The one thing Williams does better is block shots, which isn’t exactly the top thing you look for in a point guard.
Paul also has a significantly higher Player Efficiency Rating (25.6 to 18.6) and has Williams beat in two-year adjusted plus-minus (8.4, 6th in the league, to 6.11, 18th).
By no reasonable measure does Williams best Paul. He’s the top point guard in the league. It’s not close, and if you think otherwise, you are delusional. I hate to say it like this, but it’s true. There’s no debate.
What, exactly, are your arguments against Paul. He’s a whiner? He’s smaller than Williams? So you’ve questioned his attitude and physical size, which have no bearing at all on his overall skills.
by Evan Dunlap on Jun 25, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who? Ben? jk
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 26, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW roger
someone pick Sam Bowie over this guy named Michael Jordan….
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
-Mark Twain
by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jun 28, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This better happen soon if it happens.
I’m tired of the rumors even though its only been like 3 days. I think this trade won’t happen because it shouldn’t take this long to supposedly find a team willing to take okafor. If it happens at all otis please do it tomorrow, because i’m going to a tournament at gonzaga and doubt I will know what’s going on in sports because apparently there’s no tv in the dorms.
BYC ends June 30th.
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 25, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
akjagfan is underestimating the terrible contract that Charlotte gave Okafor
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jun 26, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I am underestimating his contract, but doesn't gortat make only 3 to 4 million less.
I think otis smith wants CP3 but won’t do a 5 for 1 trade. By that i mean give NO 3 players and take on 2 bad contracts, which is a smart thing to do.
Gortat has 28 million reemaining on his contract to Okafor's whopping 52 million
Okafor’s contract really does become impossible to move if we somehow acquire it. What team would want to shell out that kind of money for average undersized Center
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jun 26, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It's also worth noting that Gortat can turn down a trade until whatever 1 year from the day Orlando matched his offer from on
Plus, Chris Paul is also BYC as well. No way you can deal for him before June 30th anyway.
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if Gortat goes to NO, BYC becomes less of an issue
b/c both teams are dealing with it. Even w/o Gortat, numbers can be made to match. Waiting would be a better idea for both teams, since it is so close to June 30.
Gortat would poison his rep to refuse a deal at this point. That would be a terrible PR move. At this point he has no real negotiating power when we are talking about the difference of a few weeks…all during the offseason. ORL can just wait for the timetable to pass and ship him anyway.
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 26, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
is it june 30th yet?
I just want to see if this actually happens. I’m tired of waiting! patience is a virtue, that I was deprived of.
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Jun 27, 2010 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions
why is that?
i’m wondering if NO is having tortured internal discussions, or maybe calling up every team in the league, trying to get a better deal.
base year compensation issues
and the moratorium from july 1-7th
Ben is right about CP3 over Williams
Paul also has alot less to work with than Williams and still put up better numbers.
hey, does anyone have an idea as to how reliable that clickorlando report is?
do they have a history on trade rumors? it’s been a couple days, and you would think that we’d hear another source commenting on the report.
I don't know, but thats a good point
I think they jumped to a conclusion hoping to be noted as the site that broke the story.
that's where I get my info from as well
maybe Ben Q has a better site for NBA info
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jun 26, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
seems like they consistently have a couple of interesting stories that i can't find anywhere else.
i love ball don’t lie’s 10-man rotation, and bethlehem shoals is always a must read, at both free darko and fanhouse.
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