Povtak: Orlando Magic Want Chris Paul, Offer Vince Carter and Jameer Nelson to New Orleans Hornets
Tim Povtak of NBA FanHouse has joined the Orlando Magic/Chris Paul rumor frenzy, and now reports the Magic's offered their starting backcourt of Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter to the New Orleans Hornets for Paul and the large contract of swingman James Posey. Povtak's report doesn't mention Josh Robbins' prior update, in which Magic GM Otis Smith denied asking the Hornets about Paul. Still, Povtak has done some digging, and cites a source in addition to the one Sam Amick, his FanHouse colleague, consulted when Amick first broke the story this morning.
It's important to note that the trade Povtak mentions won't work under the current collective bargaining agreement, as New Orleans would receive $8.13 million more than permitted. That particular deal would need adjusting to go through, but if you believe Povtak, the real takeaway from his story is this: Orlando's prepared to dump its starting backcourt for the chance to employ the best point guard in the world.
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Very interesting, but I just can't see it happening
Rumors and speculation run rampant this time of year.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jun 22, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
Or every other time of the year except after the trade deadline.
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No, that's when the rumors start for what will happen over the summer
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Yikes... that's a high price.
Given that the Magic are so far over the cap, how do they get a starting SG in there? Don’t get me wrong, Paul’s great, but are we really sure Paul + a scrub at SG is better than two above-average backcourt starters?
(I mean, if the team can get Redick back, I think Paul + Redick is almost definitely better. But if not, how do they get that extra man?
I mean, I’ll take Carter + Jameer over CP3 + Posey, I’ll say that much right now.)
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Yah
Redick and Pietrus should be plenty at SG if we have cp3
by BlueSkyOneCloud on Jun 22, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't forget about Pietrus.
I don’t consider him a starting-quality SG. He’s a black hole on offense.
(He would start over Posey, I’ll grant you that.)
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
"I don’t consider him a starting-quality SG. He’s a black hole on offense."
WHAT?? Last I checked the position is SHOOTING guard. MP has the ability to shoot even better % from 3 than VC. He’s also not a bad slasher to the lane when he feels like it, kind of like VC, and he’s younger.
I would take CP and Redick/MP over Jameer and VC any day of the week.
He's a black hole because he doesn't pass. When he gets the ball, he's going to shoot it. That's what he means.
Bass is the same way.
THIS
Thanks for the clarification! I too was ready to defend my Favorite players ability to chuck a 3 at an alright rate…
Only 7 different teams have won a title since David Stern has been the commissioner
Oh, yeah -- he's a good shooter.
He was a good slasher, though he’s abandoned that portion of his game in recent years. And he’s an excellent defender. Keeping the ball moving is the only aspect of his game that’s really a major problem — but in my opinion, it’s a deficiency that keeps him out of consideration for the starting SG role.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
anybody remember brian cook?
biggest black hole EVER
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by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jun 23, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly, you don't remember Terry Catledge
He would catch the ball down on the block with about 15 seconds left on the shot clock, pump fake a MINIMUM 6 times, and then shoot the ball with less than 2 seconds on the clock.
Now that was a black hole, my friend.
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by funny80sguy on Jun 24, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Pietrus: 21.7 mpg, 0.9 apg career
(Pietrus last season: 22.5 mpg, 0.7 apg)
Brandon Bass: 16.2 mpg, 0.5 apg career
(Bass last season: 13 mpg, 0.4 apg)
Catledge: 26.3 mpg, 0.9 apg career
In 1989-90, Catledge averaged 33 mpg, 19.4 points… 1.0 assists and 2.4 turnovers. His season high was 4 assists. He did that once.
Between Cook and Pietrus (and Bass), I’d call Pietrus the biggest black hole, because he’s a wing player, and a higher-usage player.
But Catledge… 1 assist a game for a guy who got enough touches to be the team’s leading scorer, on a team that averaged 110 points a game… that’s something. That’s really something.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
things that make u go, hmmmmmmmm
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by nowuseemenowudont on Jun 22, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions
Will Paul still be a BYC player after July 1? That's why the trade machine is rejecting the trade.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Jun 22, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions
Nope. And neither will Gortat.
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 22, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
But Gortat has the right to turn down a trade to New Orleans until July 17th or whatever day it was he resigned with Orl.
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that no trade thing is only for 6 months
it expired in december/january , i am pretty sure
CP3 + D12 = alley-oop city
I would love to see the best PG and best C in the world team up together, but at the same time I’d miss having Jameer here for the annual team bonding activities in PHI. I just really wonder who could take on our starting SG spot with VC out of the picture. I swear if CP3 is in Magic pinstriped next season…wow. I’ll believe it when I see it (or read it…in an official/credible source)
ORL★NDO, our time will come.
by magic12ball on Jun 22, 2010 6:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Magic Pinstripes*
ORL★NDO, our time will come.
by magic12ball on Jun 22, 2010 6:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Look Guys
Paul, Pietrus, Posey, Lewis, Howard
Would be straight deadly. Or if Orlando wants to slide Lewis to the 3 and go big that would be amazing too.. but man I don’t want to get my hopes up….
I don't see why we have to start Posey just 'cause he's in the deal
I would much rather mix Pietrus and JJ, or Pietrus, Lewis, Anderson than have to start washed up Posey.
by BlueSkyOneCloud on Jun 22, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously.
Paul, Barnes, (slot), Lewis, Howard.
The open slot gets faught over by JJ, Pietrus, Anderson, Bass, and Posey. Makes for a pretty sick line up, and bench.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Jun 23, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
Let’s just hope Jameer isn’t friends with Jay Cutler and get mad if they even talk about trading him. Jameer definitely doesn’t seem the type, but this can cause issues among the players.
But I make the trade in a heartbeat.
Thanks Vince.
Can't do that
That would break up the huggy-huggy routine that Howard and Nelson has before the each game.
Dwight has a choice:
Huggy-huggy w/Jameer or…huggy-huggy with the Larry O’ Brien trophy.
ORL★NDO, our time will come.
by magic12ball on Jun 22, 2010 6:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hah, so you're the one who got quoted by erivera7 on twitter
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
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from NBA.com :
Hornets coach Monty Williams says Chris Paul was “the main thing” that excited him about taking his new job and that he could not envision entering next season without the three-time All Star.
As for me, I would even put Stuff in with Nelson and VC in order to get CP3.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
Idgaf who we put on the chopping block.
Everyone except for DH12 is fair game. Get CP3 here. PLEASE!!!!!!
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
Paul is a tremendous talent
So was Grant Hill.
Is Paul healthy? Really? I seem to remember people cringing at the thought of him taking the floor in meaningless games at the end of this last season for fear he would get hurt again.
Thanks but no thanks.
I believe he is worth that risk.
Yea grant hill injuries hurt the organization for years on in but looking back at it how could the magic have the chance to have t-mac and grant hill on the court together at the same time and not pull that trigger? And now if the magic can somehow get D12 and CP3 on the court at the same time, i believe that is a risk worth taking.
Chris Paul had an injury-riddled year.
But that’s nothing like signing a guy who just played some games on a badly fractured ankle and was still on crutches. Not to mention we got screwed by the initial surgery apparently being botched.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
Great Point.
And yea the whole Grant Hill thing i believe was a combination of a very poor surgery and Grant Hill trying to come back way too early.
Smoke and mirrors.
As much as i would love to see the magic get CP3 I have this feeling in my stomach that this is Otis being Otis……….Getting into soft stage talks with one team, then denying it, and then to make us all look foolish pulls off another deal that no one in the world had a clue about. That’s just my gut feeling on it.
I don't know why the Sentinel keeps pushing this whole idea...
I would be shocked if Otis made the catastrophic blunder of bringing Agent “Zero” to O-Town.
by MightyMouth on Jun 22, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
otis did draft him in GS and he is quoted
saying he would like to have him…
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
-Mark Twain
by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jun 23, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, now you're gonna have to go find a source for that kind of quote.
Get back to us……
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 23, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a done deal! CP3 for D12 straight up!
Other wise forget this Bull Crap. You don;t trade your franchise when it is still up for sale.
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by NC Magic Fan on Jun 22, 2010 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
But are you looking at the details of this deal?
How is Paul supposed to help the Hornets when he’s the only decent player on their team, and they’re strapped with multiple, horrible, massive contracts?
They have the luxury of having stumbled on Collison, and Thornton last season, and would be better suited to trade Paul for quality young talent and multiple future picks to keep rebuilding the team. At this point, there is literally no way they will ever be a contender by just adding pieces in the near future. Rather its a matter of how long they have to wait before their bad contracts expire, and they can spend serious money on FA.
by BlueSkyOneCloud on Jun 22, 2010 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
@ NC Magic Fan
It’s a done deal! CP3 for D12 straight up!
Other wise forget this Bull Crap. You don;t trade your franchise when it is still up for sale.
by BlueSkyOneCloud on Jun 22, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
my dad doesn't see this happening
and he said specifically b/c of Jameer and Dwight’s relationship. He wants Rashard to go to the SF position, get a true PF, and, I quote, “turn [my] favorite player into a Ray Allen-like player”, aka JJ.
Idk idk just throwing that out there. He says even if Paul gets here he wouldn’t be enough to propel us into a championship
I'm a girl.
And I liked your dad so much.
Oh well, everything has to end sometimes.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
DON'T TALK BAD ABOUT MAH PAPA
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jun 22, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even know what that means!
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jun 22, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been British-ized
I’m above your silly American jokes
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jun 22, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL I'm sureeeeee.
I give you a week until you’re back to laughing “American” jokes. Cause they’re that funny.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
You have a stiff upper lip now?
Honor is no substitute for victory.
dirty diapers instead?
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Jun 22, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I almost wish this rumor had never gotten out there (unless the trade actually happens)...
…Because, now, it might have set the bar too high as far as expectations that Magic fans have for summer personnel moves. So, if the Magic end up making a “less sexy” move like Iguodola, David Lee, etc…, there might be a collective “groan” in response to what could’ve been with Paul. I know…I’m naturally pessimistic (LOL). I don’t wanna get my hopes up for nothing. But it is fun to talk/fantasize about.
by MightyMouth on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Im right there with you. To tell you the truth I don’t see Otis making a ‘huge’ move until the trade deadline when VC only has 3/8 of a season and $4 million on the books for the following season. The only guys I see moving over the summer are: Peaches, Gortat and Bass. They aren’t going to bring in a big name guy.
by The Magic Man on Jun 23, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Rumors are crazy.
Some say Arenas could go join Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Jackson in L.A. S-:
Others are saying that LeBron wants to take Chris Paul with him to whichever team he ends up signing for. D-:
God, I hope non of these things happen.
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by North of the South on Jun 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT reply actions
Can I get Collison instead to....
OK so Ben stated that this deal wouldn’t work according to the expiring CBA. The Hornets would be over by about 8.13 million. So can i get Collison instead. The new Hornets coach wants to keep CP3, so gimmie Collison, Thorton and Posey in exchange for Jameer (it hurts me just to say that), VC and my trade exemption.
Thoughts?
Why give up your starting backcourt for 2 good rookies and a bad contract?
Chris Paul is worth that price. 2 rookies? No, not at all.
Valid Point...
So how about keeping Jameer and sending Peaches instead. CP3’s injury problems unnerves me. Collison was throwing out more dimes than Jameer and he had no pieces to work with. Lastly, how long does Posey have left on his contract? If its 2 years its not the worst contract ever, 3 years and I dont want to touch it.
by The Magic Man on Jun 23, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Tis the season for rumors...
I can’t imagine getting rid of Nelson, but for Paul I’d be onboard.. I don’t think this is much more than a rumor though.
well....this morning CP3 has stated that he is open to a trade...
My first choice is to be in New Orleans. I just want to make sure we’re committed to winning. If we’re not committed to winning and trying to get better so we can contend with the Lakers, the Celtics and all these other top teams, then I’m open to being traded.
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Jun 23, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions
DO IT
I think Paul would be a perfect point guard for our system. He always has a knack to find the open player, and he’s good at scoring at the same time. He can shoot 3’s also. He would open the floor up a lot and we could possibly hit even more 3 pointers.
I also think that Redick has proved he deserves a shot to start. His defense has improved greatly and he has proven he can score. He is also a good fit for our type of play because the way he can stretch the floor.
Posey can step in and take the place of Barnes. He is about the same type of player. He is long and is a defensive specialist, but can still hit the 3, maybe even better than Barnes. Then we can have Pietrus back up the 2/3 and draft another SG/SF.
It would be good to keep Gortat. We could possibly trade Bass or Anderson to pick up a backup point or another SG.
Make it happen Otis.
I love this...even if its a pipe dream
Make it happen. It’s apparant the team out there now wont win a championship. Vince and Rashard will just continue to decline while costing roughly the GNP of Honduras. Even if hes been banged up, a guy like CP could absolutely maximize the talents of Howard (and possibly get him more than 1 alley oop a week)
I hate to lose Nelson, but he’s terrible in the open court on fast breaks, and is a mediocre passer in general. I’d even take some crappy albatross contract from NOH to make it happen
I really don't see this happening since I don't understand NO giving up their franchise like that.
Also, Paul’s injuries last year are scary for me as a Magic fan who went through the Grant Hill debacle. I know it’s a different situation this time, but the image of Chris Paul in crutches last year is stuck in my brain.
It isn’t like Jameer hasn’t been injury prone though.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
As slickw143 said in another thread....
Chris Paul had an injury-riddled year.
But that’s nothing like signing a guy who just played some games on a badly fractured ankle and was still on crutches. Not to mention we got screwed by the initial surgery apparently being botched.
Not just that but even if we did get Chris Paul, it would only be for at least 2 years, maybe 3 if he doesn’t opt out. If he’s unable to step on the court, we won’t have to deal with him for 7 years.
I'm a dude!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlLyVuMf7U
Damn straight sizzle!
Grant Hill and his endless injuries bring me back!
I'm a dude!
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My first reaction to this rumor
was that I would hate to see Nelson go. But, Paul would be one of the only PG’s I could live with (CP3, D-Will) to take his place.
I’ll go ahead and say it again – CP3 is my favorite non-Magic player, and if he’s traded here, he’ll easily be my favorite NBA player
That said, I’m really worried that this is just the Sentinel and its contributors being overzealous about misinformation. I think this trade’s been fabricated to give a reason to follow the Sentinel, and I’m afraid this nonsense is gonna upset Jameer that he’s on the proverbial block
Plus, I read on BDL that rumors are swirling about Paul and LeBron playing together, so I’m gonna go ahead and take any CP3 rumor with a grain of salt and a glass of water
The Sentinel's guy, Josh Robbins, published the story about Otis denying the rumor. It's FanHouse's Sam Amick and Tim Povtak who are running with it.
My take
My take is that Otis, or an assistant to give him plausible deniability when asked, discussed the trade with New Orleans with the understanding that all such talks were confidential given the players involved.
New Orleans, not caring what Paul or Posey think, then backstabbed Orlando and leaked the offer hoping to solicit better proposals.
Thoughts? Has anyone asked Otis the more general question “has anyone from the Magic organization discussed this or a similar trade with New Orleans?”
Ben, do you think this is even a good deal for New Orleans?
by Half-man Half-gortat on Jun 23, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
OT: Funny aside about Mo Williams
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67390/20100623/mo_williams_begs_not_to_be_traded/
"I just Rashard'ed my pants!!!!"
by Wally Balls 407 on Jun 23, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions
CP3 is not even dreamable
now if you want to dream STAT leaves PHX and then blow the team up and we get Nash—- He’s gonna be available long before Cp3, DWILL, DRose or any other elite PG that is better than Jameer
oh man Vareajo is bleeding! SO WHAT! BLOOD CLENSES THE SOUL-JVG
Do not want!
I absolutely love cp3, but vc (my fav player) and Mighty Mouse for cp3 is just not worth it
Paul's the best PG in the world and a top-5 player. The deal makes 100% sense for Orlando.
by Evan Dunlap on Jun 23, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
no
it makes 1000% sense, lol
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.
-Mark Twain
by InOtisITrust....well most of the time on Jun 23, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The best thing about thing about CP3 is how he attacks and probes the paint. Dude lives in the mid/paint areas, creating havoc for pouts and assists. He’s the only guard who shoots as much mid/short range shots (and at an accurate rate) as All Star PFs like Dirk (This is where Jameer is at his best too, I always want him imitating CP3’s offense, but Jameer is like this two games in ECF atmosphere, then gone the next two unlike CP3). That is one main way he had such a great alley oop game with Tyson Chandler before he was traded. Imagine CP3 doing all that with Dwight Howard instead and highly accurate 3 point shooters all around him..
by derekk on Jun 24, 2010 1:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Update
As an update, Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski has this to say, with seemingly a lot of evidence to suggest CP3 is indeed possibly available or on the block.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AmSkwkmTcUid60P3BrCbUVq8vLYF?slug=aw-chrispaul062310
What I take away is that the ownership is a little embattled, and with Collison, they really might trade CP3 because they are doing due diligences with a CP3 trade deals board. Also, CP3 and his close group seem very practical and sensible with trade destinations so Orlando is likely favorable to CP3.
(Now Im theorizing a lot from now on, but CP3 has trade preferences and NOLA likes and respects him enough to trade to one of his preferences, and this is how I see Orlando getting it done).
The only thing I don’t like is that so many teams are throwing their offers out there. I think the Magic have an advantage with VC basically being an expiring this year, but with other teams with cap space and some good young piece offerings, the Magic must take on Okafor, utilize the TPE on Posey or Mo Pete. This will ensure a pretty dang good deal because now even cap space laden teams will have to blow their whole cap space or even start trading contracts/TPEs too. The rest of the deal after throwing in VC’s expiring and TPE will probably be cash and alot of future picks, then NOLA will have their litter’s pick of Orlando’s roster (outside D12) to match the rest of the total salary of sending out CP3, Okafor, and whoever else may possibly be involved (Posey or Mo Pete are acquired via TPE in a separate deal made in conjunction with the main deal).
The Magic need to step up whatever their offer is and do what it takes. I’m a firm believer CP3 is the best possible player in the world to pair with D12 (and like 99% of sane peope would atleast agree CP3 is a top 3 player for Dwight to pair with). Sacrificing any amount of payroll, luxury tax, and future salary is easily worth moving forward with a CP3/D12 core on a team that is already elite (Lewis and much of the high depth roster would still remain, “MLE” and “title hope players” would be even easier to get if thats possible with how good Magic are already).
by derekk on Jun 24, 2010 2:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The problem for the Magic
Is that we don’t really have any players to send to the Hornets. They are, you’d think, going to be able to get at least a young borderline All-Star and we don’t really have anyone in that category, nor a high draft pick to tempt them with. All we can do is offer them a package of expiring and good players, but nothing that will change their game.
Gortat, Bass, Nelson, Carter and our draft pick this year and next for Paul, Posey and Okafor just about works, salary wise, but I’m not sure there’s enough in that for the Hornets.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 24, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I havent checked the trade machines or calculated the salaries with both this year and the July 1 year, but once the salaries get high, the 25% trade limit starts to get much bigger too obviously, and at that high level of salary, that can be millions of dollars already.
I worry too about the other offers, but again here’s some good thoughts:
1) the 29th is valueable, not a high pick, but if 3 million is not enough for 1st round picks (this is reported by ESPN), then 29 is most deftintely an asset this summer, or a good, young player moving forward. And Orlando can still offer future 1st round picks too, no matter how low they are, they are still future 1sts, and combined with NOLA’s picks, it’d make great picks packages to move up or add to trades.
2) Jameer Nelson absolutely fits a young (or peaking) All-Star player. His contract is ridiculously cheap too. It can be terrific salary fodder to make a trade work. The question lies with NOLA’s ideas of a platoon Collison/Jameer, or otherwise their thoughts on what they can get for Jameer on the trade front.
3) Bass is not expiring, but NOLA has liked him. (Reported interest in returning Bass to Nola last summer before he signed with magic). Adding Bass to a main trade to match salary could make some sense. Even more sensible, NOLA dumps Songaila’s bad contract (more money this year than Bass) for Bass in a separate trade (or part of main trade) because the salaries are close enough. Its only a question of long term salary for NOLA, but Bass is due 4.00 flat annually, which is pretty close to as low as it gets for a young, quality big man.
4) Gortat also makes a ton of sense. NOLA recieving him would 99% garantuee they sent back Okafor to Orlando. Gortat is much cheaper, much younger, and much better. Per minute stats means Gortat will beat Okafor’s 10pnts, 9 rb, 1.5 blks handily, and that echoes our community’s sentiments here; that Gortat would rock with a starter job/big minutes job. And again, taking on Posey is a long term contract, and taking on Okafor or more is taking on more cap space than cap-free teams like NJ can even do . And say NJ would still do it ofc, but now CP3 is going to NJ with bad contracts, they have little/no cap space and CP3 is stuck on a bad team. WhereAS, Orlando taking on all the bad contracts in the world with CP3 Still Pairs him With D12 and most likely other high caliber players like Rashard Lewis and the great depth the team would still have remaining; and would further get in the MLE/title-hopes market.
5) I think CP3 and NOLA is starting to realize the team will not rebuild fast enough to get back to 2nd round or make it to a WCF and convince CP3 to stay in just 2 seasons. Theoretically, and with Otis’ repeated interest in CP3, the Magic would very realistically have enough cap space to give CP3 a max contract in that same offseason CP3 is a FA. CP3 and D12 wanting to get together is a pretty easy assumption to make, in fact above and beyond all other FA destinations. I think NOLA sees this to some degree, and with CP3 and his group already restless about the ownership transition and where team is going forward, NOLA may be looking to trade him when they have more leverage than they ever will. That means respecting CP3’s trade preferences, and they also like the man obviously, it is plausible to believe they will trade him to one of his favorible, or most favorite, trade destinations.
I think if NOLA is smart (from my opinions), they will value all these things no other team can really offer. I think reason #2, #4 and #5 would make the most sense to NOLA in trading to Orlando, but all 5 are huge reasons. So I am in fingers crossed mode here!
I'm not sure Nelson's young enough
He’s about the right talent level, but arguably has already hit his peak and would only slow Collison’s development.
I mean, I didn’t suggest that package because I thought it was bad – it’s about as good as I can come up with. But I think New Orleans will be looking for something a bit stronger.
I guess we could take Songaila off them with Turk’s TPE as well, but now you’re getting into cap hell territory.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 24, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
As a non-magic fan, i have a crazy feeling that this could actually happen
Everyone is extremely high on CP3, and he is a damn good point guard. I don’t think he is the best on the planet though. I would rather have Deron Williams, Nash (for one year), Rondo, etc. CP3 did not look himself after the injury and who knows if he ever will. Remember that CP3 is CP3 in large part due to his physical gifts, mainly speed/quickness/strength. Will he be the same?
But i think the major reason is that i am so freakin high on Collison. I’m still so pissed that i attemped to stream him on my fantasy basketball team last year instead of just keeping the guy. All of a sudden CP3 gets injured and the night i drop Collison, someone else picks the guy up. Horrible luck since i was high on him from the beginning of the year. But i digress. Collison is an excellent player and you wouldn’t lose much IF AT ALL replacing CP3 with him.
It makes very good sense if the Hornets can dramatically cut costs. This means Posey, this means CP3, etc. VC would merely be an expiring contract to them. It is possible. But one thing that may stop this is that the Hornets could really get a lot more for CP3. Better players and more cap reduction.

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