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Orlando Magic Could Make Greivis Vasquez an Interesting and Worthwhile Pick in the 2010 NBA Draft

Greivis Vasquez was the lone point guard to work out for the Orlando Magic yesterday, which either says something about the busy schedules of the other point guards in the NBA Draft or about how intriguing he is to the Magic. Big point guards have fascinated NBA personnel bosses since Magic Johnson's day, admittedly with very little success, and Vasquez is certainly big, measuring at 6'6.5" in shoes. Orlando has whiffed on two big point guards in the new millennium, blowing the 22nd overall pick on Jeryl Sasser in 2001 and the 15th selection on Reece Gaines two years later.

But there's more to Vasquez than his considerable height, relative to positional average. As a star at Maryland, he's played on big stages and delivered in big moments. He's a four-year senior, which appeals to Magic GM Otis Smith, who values maturity and experience in his draft selections. And he's skilled, averaging 19.6 points, 4.6 boards, 6.3 assists, and 1.7 steals during his senior season. Not highly regarded as a draft prospect initially, he's rocketed up the draft boards "due to outstanding individual workouts," according to DraftExpress.

Yet he's not without his drawbacks. 3.4 turnovers per game at the collegiate level is no good for anybody, especially not from a senior point guard. Though he's tall, his below-average wingspan (6'07", according to DraftExpress' measurerments) and average athleticism will compromise his ability to finish inside against NBA-caliber defenders. Additionally, his swag may be a bit too phenomenal for his own good. DraftExpress' Kyle Nelson writes, "[H]e must improve his shot-selection, as he settles for far too many low-percentage contested jumpers, still not quite knowing his limitations."

But no one with Vasquez's skills and college resume can be all bad. He has some positive points for Orlando to consider if he's still on the board when they draft at no. 29 this Thursday. Dan Tarwood certainly considered him, making him the Magic's selection in the SLAM Online mock draft due to his "relative experience and track record."

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He can run the pick-and-roll.

Orlando's is a pick-and-roll-heavy offense, with that play ending 16.3% of its possessions this season, the highest figure in the league, according to Synergy Sports Technology. Vasquez ran the pick-and-roll on 13.1% of his individual possessions at Maryland, which is minuscule by Magic standards: Jameer Nelson, the starter at the point, used 44.1% of his possessions as a pick-and-roll ballhandler. However, when Vasquez did run the pick-and-roll, he did so effectively. The modest 0.786 points per possession and 34.5% scoring rate may not impress you, but what stands out to me is his ability to take care of the ball. Counting his passes in those situations, in addition to his individual offense, Vasquez turned the ball over on just 8% of his pick-and-roll plays as a senior. That's good by any standard, but especially when you consider how turnover-prone Vasquez is in general. It suggests that, in a controlled, orderly system, he can take care of the ball and make the right decisions. And receiving screens from Dwight Howard, and having the likes of Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis as passing targets on the perimeter, should improve his efficiency and scoring rate. In short, he shows promise in the heaviest component of Orlando's offense, a plus for any player, especially a point guard.

He won't turn the ball over as much.

So if he's not turning the ball over in the pick-and-roll, when is Vasquez making his mistakes? In transition, often as the lead ballhandler, as well as off cuts to the basket. Transition possessions accounted for the highest percentage of Vasquez's offense last season, at 21.6%... and he turned the ball over on 17.3% of those occasions. More specifically, as the lead ballhandler, he turned the ball over 18% of the time. He also turned the ball over on 21.4% of his cuts, which means he has either poor hands or teammates who can't pass effectively.

The upside here is that the Magic aren't a running team, ranking 23rd in the league in possessions used in transition, so he wouldn't figure to have many opportunities to blow a fast break.

Essentially, Orlando's offense would maximize Vasquez's strengths and minimize his weaknesses, if these data are any indication.

He's a jump-shooter who's shown steady improvement.

Like Quincy Pondexter, another player whom Orlando worked out, Vasquez has also developed as a shooter. As it's likely he would spend some time working away from the ball in Orlando's offense--he wouldn't always be shooting off the dribble--it's important to consider how effective and efficient he can be with his jump shot, which is a staple of the Magic's offense. Here's a year-by-year look at Vasquez's jump-shooting:

Season%TimePoints Per ShotRating
(Percentile)
2009/1059.9%0.920Good
(60)
2008/0955.6%0.862Average
(47)
2007/0864.9%0.765Average
(32)
2006/07Data Not Available

Given his marginal athleticism, which I mentioned earlier, it's important that Vasquez be able to shoot consistently, since he probably can't be relied upon to finish at the rim on the pro level. His improved touch from the outside bodes well for his ability to do that.

Also, here's a quick look at how he's fared in catch-and-shoot situations throughout his career:

Season%TimePoints Per ShotRating
(Percentile)
2009/1020.6%1.194Very Good
(82)
2008/0928.5%0.938Average
(43)
2007/0825.8%0.856Below Average
(29)
2006/07Data Not Available

Again, steady improvement in an area Orlando figures to feature him from time to time. A positive sign.

He can fill a stat sheet.

Players who can be effective even when their shots aren't falling can be valuable in this league, and the statistics show that Vasquez can contribute in a variety of ways. DraftExpress' survey of this year's point guard crop ranks Vasquez third in pace-adjusted scoring, third in pace-adjusted assists, third in pure point rating, fourth in pace-adjusted rebounding, and first in Player Efficiency Rating. With those high scores, though, there is a caveat:

The importance of guard play on the college level makes stars out of numerous prospects, but their ability to dominate the NCAA by no means guarantees that they will see much, if any interest from the NBA.

Vasquez would indeed be a risky pick, especially considering the dubious history of just about every tall point guard to enter the league since Johnson; the closest anyone's come to succeeding is Shaun Livingston, who's had to reinvent himself as a floor-bound distributor after a horrific knee injury robbed him of his athleticism and set him back three years. Incidentally, Livingston will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, and might be worth a look.

In any case, this closer look at Vasquez has certainly piqued me interest, and he might make sense for the Magic if he's around when they're on the clock, and depending on who else is available. By the looks of things, the Magic are strongly leaning toward drafting a wing player instead. But if they go with a point guard so late in the first round, they could do far worse than to select Vasquez, whose offensive strengths blend nicely with the Magic's.

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He also turned the ball over on 21.4% of his cuts, which means he has either poor hands or teammates who can’t pass effectively.

Ben, I’m assuming there are numbers on how often his teammates turned the ball over on cuts. Are those numbers comparable? That should give an idea of whether it’s poor hands or bad passes.

This was a great look at Vasquez, by the way. It’s been interesting to see that there’s some…disagreement…on whether Vasquez will pan out or not among various analysts and bloggers. I’m personally somewhat down on him, but that’s probably because of the Sasser and Gaines fiascos.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jun 22, 2010 8:13 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not.

Here are Sasser’s college stats, playing for SMU: http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=SASSEJE01

Here are Reece Gaines’ college stats, playing for Louisville:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gainere01.html

Neither one of them was an above-average passing point guard at the college level. Vasquez has commanded this role throughout his career — he averaged more assists in his freshman year than Sasser or Gaines did in all but one season of their careers. Vasquez’s college stats are much better than either one’s across the board. (Playing against tougher competition in the ACC, as well.)

There’s simply no comparison between this guy and those guys on track record. We have here a guy at a small school who never dominated, and a guy at a pretty big school (in a small conference) who played during a dry spell for his team and didn’t accomplish anything until his junior year. Vasquez was the undisputed leader for three seasons at Maryland.

The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.

The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.

by 3.3seconds on Jun 23, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Id deftly like it if the Magic got Vasquez.

by derekk on Jun 23, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Limited athleticism scares me

I think we need a bigger, athletic, tough defender to fill in behind Jameer. We get torched regularly by athletic pgs like CP3, Deron Williams, and now Rondo.

by scottydubs on Jun 22, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Those 3 torch everybody.

A defender to slow them down would be fantastic, but is probably unrealistic.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Jun 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree, those were just some high profile examples

others include Stuckey, Billups, Andre Miller, Derrick Rose, soon to be Stephen Curry, etc. What I’m saying is that I’d like the backup pg to compensate for one of Jameer’s biggest weaknesses. The past few years we have not had an answer for bigger, athletic pgs. The closest we came was having Rafer, but his offensive and mental lapses far outweighed any athleticism he brought to the defensive side of the ball.

by scottydubs on Jun 22, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

on finding a better defending PG. But I can’t think of a backup PG who is a good defender.

Kirk Hinrich is about the only one I can think of but he cost too much.

Thanks Vince.

by L Magico on Jun 22, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean by "compensate"?

It’s not as though we’re going to platoon them — starting Jameer against some PGs and the backup against others. In fact, NBA teams will rarely alter their rotations by more than a few minutes either way anyway. The backup PG will mostly play against other backup PGs.

Jameer is not a bad defensive PG anyway. He consistently holds opposing PGs to just about their averages. Consider Rondo in the playoffs — 14.3 points per game, 8.0 assists, 42.3% shooting. It wasn’t Rondo who beat us in that series. And his overall numbers are around the same lines; he’s not a shutdown defender or an All-Defensive candidate, but he’s far from a liability.

 He’s not tall — so he gives up, what, 4 inches to some players? Big freaking deal. Height in non-post players is the most overrated thing in basketball.

(The second-most overrated thing in basketball is height in post players.)

The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.

The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.

by 3.3seconds on Jun 23, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Furthermore...

…if the backup PG has nothing in common with the starting PG as a player, how’s that going to help anyone? The coach has to draw up a whole new set of plays to fit the backup’s strengths and style, or else use the same plays they have for the starter. (Which the backup presumably can’t run.) The players have to switch back and forth mid-game, complicating matters further. And what if the starter gets hurt? Does the whole offense suddenly become different?

Ideally, you want your starting PG and your backup PG to be similar, not different. It’s a major advantage for seamless on-court play if there are few or no differences between the offense one guy is running and the offense the other guy is running.

The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.

The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.

by 3.3seconds on Jun 23, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do like Jameer

But he is not a great defender and my argument is not solely based on his height. He’s not a great on ball defender and having Dwight in middle helps his (and everyone else’s) defensive stats. Teams with bigger (not necessarily tall but strong as well) pgs overpower Jameer. Teams with quick pgs penetrate the paint and create opportunities.

I realize that a backup and starter do not play at the same time, but it would be nice to have a backup that can come in and stop the opposing player if your starter is having a hard time.

by scottydubs on Jun 23, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's at worst an average defender.

I’d call him somewhat above average.

But to me, running the offense and getting high-percentage shots are both more important things for a point guard to do than defending the opposing PG. I mean, if you’re a liability on defense, that’s one thing — Jameer isn’t a liability on defense. But great point guard defense is a nice but completely inessential bonus.

I see point guard as a primarily offensive position, in the same way that center is a primarily defensive position: if your center is grabbing 10 rebounds a game and keeping the opposing team out of the paint, there’s not a whole lot he has to do on offense to make him a worthwhile player. Similarly, the point guard has to orchestrate the entire offense. If he can do that well, that’s what really matters.

The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.

The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.

by 3.3seconds on Jun 23, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Penny come after Magic and before Livingston?

He was modestly successful at 6’7"

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Jun 22, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Since almost every #29 pick is a bit of a question mark....

I think GV has the potential to be a good pickup for Orlando. I appreciate Ben breaking down the situations in which the turnovers occur. More data would be helpful in this regard. Anybody know if he too often leaves his feet before distributing the ball? Is he just seeing plays that teammates never move into, etc?

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Jun 22, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought Otis was looking at CJ Watson? Or is he holding his cards so tight even Ben has to resort to intelligent guesswork?

I’m still thinking a Barnes replacement (and a cheaper one) would be what we should be looking in the draft, as there are better options in PG in the free agency pool.

by RL Magic on Jun 22, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Otis looked at CJ Watson very briefly in 2009...

…when it looked like Carter was going to be able to run the offense when Jameer was on the bench, and it wasn’t 100% certain Turkoglu was going either. He was rebuffed by the Warriors. This rumor is dead. Dead, dead, dead.

The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.

The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.

by 3.3seconds on Jun 23, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

For a backup PG

at #29, thats not bad. I like Pondexter the most and hope he is there at 29, but if not Vasquez is a good backup plan.

And I thought Livingston was going to be something special. Anyone know how his defense is now?

Thanks Vince.

by L Magico on Jun 22, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

It's been a long time since Venezuela had a player in the NBA.

If I’m not mistaken Vasquez will only be the 2nd venezuelan, after Carl Herrera played with the Rockets some 15 years ago. Others have come close, due to skill, but athleticism (not enough weight) or age has always been the problem.

For a while it looked like basketball was going to be the 2nd sport here, behind baseball, but it has lost a lot of following, and now soccer is growing real fast.

Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.

by North of the South on Jun 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Oscar Torres is the only prior native Venezuelan

Carl Herrera went to school in Venezula, but was from Trinidad.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jun 23, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vasquez would immediately be the statistical leader in swag per minute played. He seems like the kind of guy who lives for the moment and to personally overcome his opponents.

Wish Bass could get his head around the playbook and knowing where to be on the floor. Otherwise, I feel like we’re still shallow in the front court in regard to defense.

!Nerd Up

by nerditry on Jun 22, 2010 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Tall PGs

Of course, there’s also Tyreke Evans. Now, I’m not entirely convinced Evans’ future is at the 1… it’s hard to tell given how sparse the talent on that team is. But I think he has the talent to be an NBA point guard, if that’s the direction his career takes him.

The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.

The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.

by 3.3seconds on Jun 23, 2010 3:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I think this would be a great pick for you guys

I am a current student at Maryland and have followed Greivis his whole college career. The guy is a serious basketball player with an excellent drive to succeed. If you guys have any questions about him, let me know and I will be more than happy to answer them.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 23, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Tell us about his reputation as a weak on-ball defender. That seems to be the big knock.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Jun 23, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will agree that his defense is the weakest part of his game, but it is not as bad as some people are making it out to be. The reason that his on-ball defense has looked weak at times is because he is not the fastest player in the world. He is a 6’6 PG that most of the time was guarding the other team’s 5’10"-6’1" speedy PG, so we have to take that into account. Greivis was guarding PG like Jeff Teague, Ty Lawson, Nolan Smith who were some of the fastest PG in the ACC.

I would definitely say that his “weak” defense is a result of just not being fast enough to stick with some of the speedy PG in college. Yet him being slotted at PG with the body of a SG should tell you how much he can be trusted to control the game, and he did that to perfection last year for us. There is a reason he won the Bob Cousy award, the nation’s best PG.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 23, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maryland did not run too many pick and roll setups during his time here, primarily because we really did not have the right type of big man to work the play around until last year with a freshman. However, his passing may be the best attribute of his game, so I do not expect him to have too much trouble learning that style of offense.

Greivis certainly likes to run in a fast offense. He likes to get down court fast and score fast. One of his best abilities is keeping the defense guessing on what he is going to do. Is he going to slow it down and work it under the basket? Is he going to pull up the quick 3? Or is he going to take it to the basket.

Greivis is one of the best guards I have ever seen getting to the basket. He loves to put his body on a player and put up a running shot off the glass. Now it is definitely going to be tougher in the NBA to do this because everyone is such a more physical player than in college, but I think that aspect of his game will transfer.

In a nut shell, Greivis is the type of player that will do whatever you ask of him. He loves when his teammates score just as much as when he scores. And with a freak like Dwight Howard down low, I do not see Greivis having any problem dishing the ball off to him if it means getting a victory.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 24, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t read everyone’s comments but I think no one has pointed out the obvious comparison to JJ Redick!!

Certainly isn’t athletic…or a rapper! But trained hard, learned how to get to the right places, and plays with a lot of effort. Why can’t Vasquez do that?

Also, if Vasquez is drafted he’ll see a lot of minutes with JJ. Why not have JJ cover the 1? Isn’t that the beauty of having a big PG and a smaller SG who should have drank more milk?

This is one of the reasons I pray for the Magic to get a 1.5! A Jason Terry or Barbosa…or, as I’ve pleaded before, Bayless!

Last thing, we should trade Fran to Minnesota and either move up in the draft of add another pick.

by thejugs on Jun 23, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, but that's Minnesota's specialty.

Then Barcelona could be called EuroWolves.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Jun 23, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greivis wants to play in the NBA. I do not think he goes overseas unless he gets drafted late. If GV gets taken in the top 40, I fully expect him to play for that NBA team.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 24, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

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