Orlando Magic, Quincy Pondexter Good Matches For One Another in 2010 NBA Draft
The Orlando Magic face plenty of questions this offseason, but none more immediate than which players they should select in the NBA Draft, which takes place just 5 days from today. They hold the 29th and 59th overall selections, and have scheduled a workout with five prospects this Tuesday. One such prospect is Quincy Pondexter, a 22-year-old small forward from Washington who averaged 19.3 points and 7.4 rebounds in his most recent season. And the more I read about him, the more I'm convinced that he's Orlando's best bet at number 29.
He can contribute in a variety of ways offensively.
Using college performance to predict NBA success is tricky when it comes to offense; just ask Adam Morrison. So take this bit with a grain of salt, if you like, but Pondexter's varied offensive game should attract the Magic to him. Via Synergy Sports Technology, here's how Pondexter got his offense this season:
| Play Type | %Time | Points Per Possession | Rating (Percentile) | %Score |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Isolation | 17.4% | 0.972 | Excellent (86) | 47.2% |
| Transition | 16.7% | 1.304 | Excellent (85) | 65.7% |
| Post-Up | 15.2% | 0.839 | Good (61) | 41.9% |
| Spot-Up | 14.3% | 0.977 | Very Good (65) | 42.5% |
| Offensive Rebound (put backs) | 13.0% | 1.291 | Very Good (82) | 63.3% |
| Cut | 11.8% | 1.319 | Very Good (77) | 66.7% |
That's an impressive array of offensive moves. He can create for himself in isolation, transition, or in the post; let others create for him as a shooter or cutter; or make the most of another's miss with an offensive rebound. When you consider the Magic would never ask him to deploy the weakest part of his game, the post-up, he looks even better. Again, projecting offense at the next level is tough, and there's no guarantee that he would be able to duplicate his success in the pros. Yet the fact that he's comfortable in a variety of situations says a lot about his potential, and NBA-readiness.
And yes, there's concern about his three-point shot; his range doesn't quite extend to the arc, which is why the Magic, who value three-point shooting, might be tempted to pass on him. However, he has shown steady improvement as a jump-shooter overall throughout his career.
| Season | %Time | Points Per Shot | Rating (Percentile) |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2009/10 | 41.4% | 0.937 | Good (63) |
| 2008/09 | 38.9% | 0.827 | Average (42) |
| 2007/08 | 35.5% | 0.847 | Average (43) |
| 2006/07 | Data Not Available | ||
Over time, he's grown more comfortable with taking jumpers, and now converts them with above-average efficiency.
The improvement isn't superficial. In December, Kyle Nelson of DraftExpress praised his jumpshot:
Also much improved is his shooting stroke, which is far more fluid and compact than in the past. Though he still does not show the ability to consistently and comfortably knock down shots from the perimeter, it now looks like a good possibility that he will develop with time and practice.
He fills a positional need.
Vince Carter, 33, and Mickael Pietrus, 28, are the only wing players Orlando has under contract for next season. J.J. Redick is likely to return after entering restricted free agency, yet at 6'04" can only play one position. Starting small forward Matt Barnes seems less likely to return after his highest-impact season as a pro, leaving the offensively limited Pietrus as Orlando's only real option at small forward. In short, Pondexter addresses a very real need.
He has the potential to be a solid perimeter defender.
Synergy digs Pondexter's defense, rating it as "very good" overall. He allowed just 0.775 points per possession, forced turnovers on 12.6% of opponent's possessions, and committed a foul resulting in free throws 7.9% of the time. He can defend without fouling, in other words, with no major weaknesses; Synergy lists him as merely "average" defending shooters coming off screens, but he defended that situation just 27 times this season.
For a narrative take on his D, I again turn to DraftExpress:
Defensively, Pondexter has continued his great play all season, showing outstanding versatility in man-to-man defense, good fundamentals in the post and on the perimeter, while also showing very good rotational awareness, being a vocal leader for the Huskies’ defense. He’s not the biggest or strongest player you’ll find, as definitely projects as a small forward defensively in the NBA, having nearly ideal physical tools otherwise for that role, but also possessing the versatility to defend multiple positions, along with a high level of focus and effort.
Magic coach Stan Van Gundy prizes defense above all else, from every player on the court. Even if Pondexter struggles on the offensive end, his usefulness on D will keep him on the floor and in the rotation.
He's ready to play now.
At 22 years old with 4 years of NCAA experience, Pondexter is about as ready a player to be found in this year's draft. He's not a guy whom the Magic will have to bring along slowly. And because he fills a need--even if Barnes returns, the Magic will still want to have a young wing to add to their core, long-term--Van Gundy can plug him right in from Day 1. Andrew Melnick of Howard the Dunk agrees, writing, "we could have a rookie who could crack Orlando’s rotation rather quickly," in his appraisal of Pondexter.
There's a degree of risk involved with any draft pick, especially one late in the first round, and nothing I've read indicates Pondexter is a "home run," or a guy with real All-Star potential. However, he seems like he could have a long and productive NBA career, and Orlando could certainly use his skills right away. If he's on the board when the Magic are on the clock, he needs to be their pick.
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Another POV at HoopsAnalyst
Reading the whole article will put the analysis in context.
NBA Draft 2010: Small Forwards Part 2
Quincy Pondexter, Washington: Like Lazar Hayward and Tyren Johnson, Pondexter emerged from obscurity as a senior to put himself on the prospect map. The problem for him is the place he emerged just isn’t quite at the level Johnson and Hayward reached, let alone enough to stand out in this crowded class. The biggest problem with Pondexter is other than his impressive scoring numbers, his stats look weak. Successful SFs usually do something well other than scoring. Pondexter is an adequate rebounder, but his passing and defensive numbers are very soft. Another negative is he has yet to develop a consistent 3-pointer. He did hit .353 this year, but that was for only 51 attempts and was boosted by an 8-11 stretch during 5 games in January. Other than that he was at 25%. Quincy Pondexter had a nice senior season to cap a decent 4-year career. But all he is right now is a good college player and no team should be wasting a draft pick on such a player in this crowded draft. [emphasis mine]But he might be one of the NBA-ready, 4-years-of-college guys that can step right in. There are certainly worse options.
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
Interesting to see the varied takes on his defense. HoopsAnalyst is the first place I've seen not to like it.
Weiland counts defense maybe differently than other analysts.
Passing and defense: For SFs I’ve been using their ASB40 as sort of a combined passing/defense rating. The number is simply combined assists, steals and blocks per 40 minutes. Historically it has been very important for a player to be over 5.0 ASB40.
Pondexter’s number was 4.4.
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 19, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
In my opinion, that’s a lazy way to count defense, by only looking at two stats that don’t tell you how many points the guy you’re guarding scores, and one stat that has nothing to do with defense. Pietrus’ number by that measure would have been 3.1 this season. Barnes would be a 4.2. By Weiland’s measure, both of them are horrible defenders, and that doesn’t mesh with what we’ve observed over the course of the season.
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That's comparing NBA and college hoop numbers though.
Weiland is looking at the numbers produced by college prospects at the college level to try and find some break points/thresholds for estimating how college players will do in the NBA. He is largely comparing NBA success and busts against current college players based on statistical performance.
[I see that you’re so adamant about this you posted it 2x, but I’ll just respond once. lol. ;-)]
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 20, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh. My computer froze up the first time and told me it hadn’t posted. Lying computer.
And I do recognize that he’s looking at what players do at the college level, but it’s still a bad way to look at it. Blocks and steals are the gaudy numbers, but it doesn’t look at shots altered, bad passes forced, low-percentage shots forced, or any of the other stuff that doesn’t show up on the simple stat sheet but does affect the game.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I agree about evaluating defense.
Weiland is trying to use the metrics available to him..and does provide working definitions for the terms he uses.
We’d agree that def rebounds, blocks, and steals are at least a part of the defensive equation. I am quick to join you in saying they are not the whole formula.
All I see Weiland trying to do is gauge the current draft prospects against past draftees by using the numbers that are available. Which is why he says things like, “historically is has been important.” Sure, there are outliers to every statistical average…and he often includes those players in his analysis. But, it also would be foolish to simply ignore the stats and go on hype….that’s how people end up being evaluated as “busts.” Some “busts” could have been avoided ahead of time if people were doing their homework.
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 20, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
In my opinion, that’s a lazy way to count defense, by only looking at two stats that don’t tell you how many points the guy you’re guarding scores, and one stat that has nothing to do with defense. Pietrus’ number by that measure would have been 3.1 this season. Barnes would be a 4.2. By Weiland’s measure, both of them are horrible defenders, and that doesn’t mesh with what we’ve observed over the course of the season.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Yeah.
The part that TN bolded made it seem like Pondexter should go undrafted but I think that’s quite harsh. Of course each player has flaws as well as strengths but that article seemed to highlight each players’ weaknesses more than the strengths. Pondexter seems like he’d be a great value at 29 and I think he could excel here. He shot over 50% from the field for his career at Washington which means he takes good, high-percentage shots. If he keeps working on his jumpshot, then his 3-pt % will improve with time, plus Dwight and company creating space for him wouldn’t hurt either.
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I like it, though I think if we keep Lewis at the 4 we need a bigger body, more apt rebounder, at the 3 starting wise. Then again, I don’t see a rookie starting so it is a moot point.
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I disagree about not seeing a rookie start.
Courtney Lee worked his way into the starting lineup his rookie year so even as little as SVG trusts rookies, it still happened. Barnes will likely walk and Pietrus would be our only SF under contract. Considering that Peaches’ D dropped off a bit from last year and that he’s practically useless on offense when his 3’s aren’t falling, I could very well see Pondexter, Hobson, or whatever SF we draft, start.
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by GameManager on Jun 20, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And that is a good thing?
We have the TPE, Bass, or the MLE to acquire a surer bet at the 3 than what a player we select at 29 would bring. I’d hope we’d go for that before starting a rook.
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by Eyriq the Red on Jun 20, 2010 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Not always, but Courtney Lee proved that rookies can be trusted as starters sometimes.
Although you want to win now, you also have to think about the long term. We are not going to land Dwyane Wade or LeBron James and I certainly don’t know who would be an adequate wing option for the MLE or who we could get through a trade with the pieces we have to offer. Therefore, I think a guy with potential like Pondexter could start and grow with the team.
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Lee didn't begin the season as the starter. He worked into it.
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 20, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
True.
I acknowledged that Lee worked his way into the starting lineup. I wasn’t trying to imply he began the season as the starting 2 because I’m well aware he didn’t.
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Can he play at the point?........
No the answer is no; Pondexter can not play at the point guard position at all, he is not like Courney Lee. The Magic are very deep at the SG/SF positon with VC, MP, Lewis, JJ ( if he stay) and Barnes, the Magic need a point guard no another wing player.
From ESPN, David Thorpe.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft&id=5297196
29. Orlando Magic (Thorpe): Darington Hobson, SF, New Mexico
The Explanation: I’m looking at both Dominique Jones and Hobson (same agent by the way). Jones is the superior scorer of course, but Hobson is a very talented passer and the Magic need that in a big way at the 3 spot. Also, he’s a bit of a tough guy to coach, but Stan Van Gundy will have the credibility to reach the kid.
Thought this might be interesting, Jones is from Orlando I think, and Hobson is working out with the Magic soon (And my personal 1st pick). A lot of people think Pondexter would be the pick, and I would be very glad if the Magic take him as well.
Thorpe’s mostly correct – Dom Jones is from Lake Wales. Close enough for someone that’s not local.
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That second paragragh is my thoughts. The first paragraph is Thorpe. Completely my fault, I forgot to use the quotation marks hehe.
by derekk on Jun 20, 2010 1:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No need of more wings player...........
You mention VC, MP, Lewis and the possible return of JJ and Barnes…. Can you mention another point guard besides Nelson? Not really, definitely the first priority of the Magic is to get a point guard in this coming draft and for sure Pondexter won’t be the Magic’s selection in the draft.
Lewis doesn't play the 3 anymore, and considering the only PG Orlando is working out is Greivis Vasquez, Otis is likely targeting a SF in the draft and a PG in free agency.
This sentiment cracks me up
Do you think Lewis forgot how to play the 3?
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by Eyriq the Red on Jun 19, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It's possible (though remotely so) that Vasquez will fall to 59
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I swear draft stock is worse than financial stock for being volatile
I can’t keep track of who’s up and who’s down…
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Well, good -- maybe he'll rise to 29th.
Or… are we 28th now? Don’t the Lakers automatically go to 30th?
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Huh, I guess not.
Well, in baseball, they would.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
There are no good point guards this far down in the draft
It would be a lot easier to find a FA to fill the back up rather than draftt someone who likely would not play for 2 years.
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by NC Magic Fan on Jun 19, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Trust Otis...............
Definitely I believe that Otis will select the best available player in the draft regardless the position, Solomon Alabi, Pondexter, Terico White, Armon Johnson, Hobson, ect… are player that maybe are availables at the moment of the pick and trust Otis that he will pick the best one regardless of position.
I think Jerome Randle has a chance to go to 59th to the Magic too, and Nemanja Beljica w/e hsi name is, might be a good overseas stash for 1-2 yrs. Greivis Vazquez might go 2nd round, but 59th I doubt.
I also doubt Vasquez will fall to 59 but if he did, I'd be very ecstatic.
Bjelica is an interesting prospect and 59 is definitely a pick worth risking on an overseas prospect but if we take a wing at 29, is it really worth drafting another wing player? I like Randle too but my biggest concern is his size. He’s got game though.
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by GameManager on Jun 20, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Gordon Hayward
although we wont move up to grab him, I think he would fit our system well. Only concern would be his defense but look at what SVG was able to accomplish with Redick. Gordon can play the point forward a la Turk if needed. I’m dreaming…I know.
What HoopsHype has to say about Pondexter
From the NBA Mock Draft at hoopshype.com:
“Super long and athletic forward who has made huge strides as a college senior. Great rebounder who can defend multiple positions effectively. Terrific in transition. Average ball-handler and perimeter shooter who has nonetheless made big strides with skill-level and decision making. Strong intangibles and still very young for a college senior.”
HoopsHype is comparing him to Mickael Pietrus.
They rank Pondexter as the 8th best SF and the third best senior in the draft.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jun 20, 2010 4:28 AM EDT reply actions
Pondexter
He has that Kobe mentality when he plays, and he’ll easliy be in the starting lineup if we don’t get a true PF.
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by derekk on Jun 20, 2010 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess I must have been asleep through drafts for years...
but I just noticed the NBA’s draft order is set by the regular season schedule standings while it looks like the NFL takes the post season into consideration (the NHL makes so many trades with their draft picks…who knows). I was wondering why the Magic wasn’t picking 27th.
I'm just not sold on Pondexter.
Or, for that matter, any college senior who had to wait until he was “the man” on his team to accomplish anything of note. (Especially if it’s not even a very good team.)
I mean, you could look at it this way: someone was going to score 18 points a game for Washington. The offense demanded it — the shots are going up, someone has to be taking them. The fact that the coach decided to feed those shots to Pondexter, who I’ll admit is a perfectly good player on the college level, doesn’t mean Pondexter is suddenly anything special. It just means that he handled that role in the offense (for a weak team in the Pac-10, which was a weak conference this year.)
All I’m saying is, I’d rather see someone on the team who’s shown something for multiple years. That’s the guy whose talent isn’t a fluke — the guy whose production has remained constant despite changes in teammates and offensive systems.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
That's good and all
, but where are you going to find guys like that w/ the 29th pick? If Quincy did that for the previous 3 yrs he’d be a top 10 pick.
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by stanleygoober on Jun 20, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I'm still saying Vasquez is the best pick.
He certainly produced in college for several years. He improved as he went, but he’s led that team since his sophomore season.
And there’s always a couple of guys in the draft with a strong multi-year college track record who don’t get drafted until late. Darren Collison, DeJuan Blair or Chase Budinger last year, for example. (Though Blair wasn’t a senior, and fell for injury-related reasons more than anything else.) Courtney Lee or George Hill the year before (small-school guys, but still). Carlos Boozer. Jameer Nelson, even.
Now, I’m sure you could find some counter-examples — players who spiked in their senior years and went on to succeed in the NBA. But my opinion is that consistent, producing guys with athleticism questions are more likely to succeed in the NBA than athletes with skill questions or people trading largely on one season’s performance.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Gilbert Arenas
was taken in the second round. To say the 29th pick will absolutely bring no one of value is absurd. There are a ton of successful players that didn’t seem like much in college but benefit from the more structured style of the NBA game. Let’s hope our scouting department can come up with another C.Lee type of pick.
The last five rounds of the draft
Have about a 25% chance of getting a good player, another 25% of getting someone who can at least play, and about a 50% chance of getting an absolute scrub.
It’s not a good place to put your hopes on.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 20, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Pondexter's athleticism. We could use a guy like that...
But it turned me off a little when I saw that his “NBA comparison” in the HoopsHype.com mock draft was Mickael Pietrus…
What's wrong with Pietrus?
OK, plenty of things. But, seriously, consider that Pietrus is a top-8 player on a championship-caliber team. If Pietrus is Pondexter’s ceiling, that’s probably OK, especially considering that Pietrus is a lottery pick and Pondexter figures to be a late first-rounder.
If we can get an equivalent to Pietrus with a #29 pick, it's definitely not bad
The “real” Pietrus was a #11 pick in the deep 2003 draft (it was the James Sweepstakes Draft).
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I agree...I like Pietrus too.
I guess I was just looking for a guy who was a better ball-handler/playmaker. I was leaning more towards Hobson. But Pondexter is starting to grow on me after doing a little research. And judging from some of his interviews, he appears to be a high character guy. Either way, I’m confident Otis will make the right decision.
by MightyMouth on Jun 21, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions

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