Examining the Orlando Magic's Trade Assets
Yesterday, in a segment I blockquoted extensively, Eddy listed the Orlando Magic's trade assets:
General manager Otis Smith always talks about assets and he has plenty of them to make a splash — Ryan Anderson, Brandon Bass, Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus, trade exception of roughly $6.9 million, and draft picks. It’d be tough to move Vince Carter, but he is essentially an expiring contract that can be used to match salaries if necessary.
I thought it might be useful, with the help of ShamSports' incomparable salary and exception database, to go into greater detail about each of the assets Eddy mentioned.
Ryan Anderson
Age: 22; Position: Power Foward
Contract details: On a rookie scale contract; signed through 2010/11 for $1.409 million, with a team option for 2011/12 worth $2.244 million
Key career stats: 15.4 Player Efficiency Rating, 15.8 points per 36 minutes, 8.3 rebounds per 36 minutes, 55.2% True Shooting, 36.8% three-point shooting
2009/10 season grade: B+
Why he's available: there's no question Anderson has talent, with a rare combination of three-point shooting, rebounding on both ends of the court, and a knack for only taking efficient shots. However, given his age and the fact that he's playing behind Rashard Lewis, a two-time All-Star on the books for more than $60 million over the next three seasons, he may never get the opportunity to fully develop in Orlando. He showed a lot of promise last season, and one can make a case that he's a better fit for the Magic than Lewis.
What it'd take to pry him from Orlando: I consider him the least "available" of Orlando's assets, and Smith would likely only give him up if it meant acquiring a bona-fide All-Star immediately.
Bottom line: Orlando's best trade sweetener or incentive, he's not likely to go anywhere. But he's not untouchable.

Brandon Bass
Age: 25; Position: Power Foward
Contract details: On a mid-level contract; signed through 2011/12 for a flat $4 million annually, with a player option for 2012/13 worth an additional $4 million
Key career stats: 15.4 Player Efficiency Rating, 14.9 points per 36 minutes, 8.1 rebounds per 36 minutes, 55.4% True Shooting
2009/10 season grade: C
Why he's available: like Anderson, there's no doubting Bass' talent. In his two seasons with Dallas, with which he distinguished himself to such an extent that he earned Orlando's richest free-agent contract last summer, he averaged over 19 minutes per game on a playoff team. He's among the league's best mid-range-shooting big men, and can create for himself off the bounce, which makes him a tough cover in the triple-threat position despite the fact that he hardly ever passes. Yet, as I've explained here multiple times, he simply does not fit with the Magic, who prefer to have four three-point shooters on the court at all times. His lack of three-point range wouldn't be such a problem if he wasn't such a defensive liability, as his frequent errors on that end of the court conspired to keep him in coach Stan Van Gundy's doghouse for much of the year. $4 million is a fair price for a player of Bass' age and ability, but not for a third-string power forward. He's unhappy with his minutes, understandably, and will seek a trade.
What it'd take to pry him from Orlando: an established, impactful player at either wing position or at point guard. A league source confirmed to me that the Magic had discussed sending Bass to the Charlotte Bobcats earlier this season for young point guard D.J. Augustin, but those plans fell through when Charlotte also asked for J.J. Redick. A player of Augustin's caliber might be on the low end of what Orlando can expect, honestly, as Augustin's little more than a third guard at this point in his young career. Bass won't net Orlando an All-Star, or anything close to it, but he's valuable. Most GMs recognize that fit, and not talent, is what caused him to have a poor season this year. He will draw interest. What's less clear is if those GMs will try lowballing Smith, as Bass' value hasn't been this low since his unproductive first two seasons in the league.
Bottom line: He's young, on a fair deal, and talented. Smith will have his chances to deal him, and it wouldn't surprise me if Bass found himself in another team's uniform sometime before February's trading deadline.

Vince Carter
Age: 33; Position: Shooting Guard
Contract details: On a veteran contract; signed through 2010/11 for $17.522 million, with $4 million guaranteed in 2011/12. He's owed the full $18.3 million on his deal for that season if he's still on the roster on June 30th, 2011.
Key career stats: 21.1 Player Efficiency Rating, 22.2 points per 36 minutes, 4.0 rebounds per 36 minutes, 53.7% True Shooting, 37.5% three-point shooting
2009/10 season grade: B-
Why he's available: Smith acquired Carter to be an upgrade over Hedo Turkoglu, a playmaking wing who can create his shot from anywhere and can score 25+ on any given night. Yet he adapted to his role with Orlando slowly, and that transitional period included the worst shooting slump of his career. Though he certainly had his moments, he also faded in key others, notably for much of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Boston Celtics. Two crucial missed free throws in a Game 2 loss, as well as a 1-of-9 shooting performance in Game 4 with Orlando facing elimination. That's not what anyone wants on his resume.
What it'd take to pry him from Orlando: It's hard to say. On the one hand, Carter indeed had a disappointing year. BUt on the other, it's not difficult to imagine him improving next season, with more time to adjust to Van Gundy's Dwight Howard-centric offense. He can do better, and--more importantly, when considering his value--it's pretty hard to imagine any realistically obtainable player being an upgrade at the position. But on the other hand, he did little to inspire confidence in his ability to be the Magic's top wing player, and it's fair to wonder if even an improved, fully adjusted Carter can produce enough to be the go-to clutch scorer on a title team. Thus, Smith will field calls asking about Carter, if there are any, though I don't think he's actively shopping him.
Bottom line: Carter's trade value has never been lower, but because his salary for 2011/12 is only partially guaranteed, teams looking to save money and get a reasonably useful player in return would be wise to get Smith on the horn. Packaged with a future draft pick and up to $3 million in cash--the highest possible dollar amount that can change hands in a single transaction--he could net a solid player. Yet I don't think the return would do nearly as much, in any realistic scenario.

Marcin Gortat
Age: 26; Position: Center
Contract details: On a mid-level contract; signed through 2012/13 for an average annual salary of $7.09 million. Has an early termination option for 2012/13 worth $7.727 million.
Key career stats: 15.4 Player Efficiency Rating, 15.3 points per 36 minutes, 12.0 rebounds per 36 minutes, 2.3 blocks per 36 minutes, 56.7% True Shooting
2009/10 season grade: C+
Why he's available: he's one of the league's premiere backup centers, and happens to play behind the league's best center, at a very high price. For that reason, he's worth more to other teams than he is to the Magic. He's only overpaid when regarded as a reserve. As a starter, though, he could average 10 points, 10 boards, and 2 blocked shots, with above-average efficiency and well above-average defense, for a mere 7 figures annually. Any team without an All-Star at center would love to have that sort of value from a starting center. And the Magic, in fairness, like him, too. Centers are hard to find, which is why Orlando counts itself lucky to have two. But when one is a perennial All-Star and the other is considerably less awesome, well, it's a problem.
What it'd take to pry him from Orlando: the same things it'd take to pry Bass, though my sense is that Gortat is both less expendable and less available. He's better than Bass and actually part of the team's rotation, for one thing. And for another, his combination of skills is so hard to replace that the Magic would already need to have another center on their roster before they could afford to deal him.
Bottom line: He certainly won't finish his contract in Orlando, but because his value's quite low, and because he is (at the moment) important to the team's rotation, he doesn't figure to be moved immediately.

Mickael Pietrus
Age: 28; Position: Small Foward
Contract details: On a mid-level contract; signed through 2010/11 for a flat $5.3 million. Has a player option for 2011/12, also worth $5.3 million.
Key career stats: 12.4 Player Efficiency Rating, 14.5 points per 36 minutes, 5.4 rebounds per 36 minutes, 54.6% True Shooting, 35.9% three-point shooting
2009/10 season grade: B
Why he's available: as with Anderson, Pietrus' likely availability stems from his relative value, not from any sort of unhappiness the team has with him. He's its top perimeter defender, playing for Van Gundy, who values defense above all other facets of the game. And he shoots the three-pointer exceptionally well, and if there's anything for which the Magic have drawn attention over the last three seasons, it's their tendency to dig the long ball. At first glance, he appears to be 100% safe from trade. Yet his mental errors, questionable shot selection, age, and lack of skills in other areas make him available.
What it'd take to pry him from Orlando: he's doesn't figure to be the centerpiece of any trade, but if the Magic need a decent-sized salary to balance the scales as part of a larger trade, Pietrus is the best candidate. The fact that his contract isn't horrible relative to his ability makes him attractive; this isn't James Posey or Morris Peterson we're talking about here.
Bottom line: Likely to finish his contract in Orlando, but available as ballast if the need arises.

Trade Exception
Value: $6,864,200; Expires: July 9th, 2010
Bottom line: Smith addressed the exception in this interview with Tania Ganguli:
TG: The trade exception you acquired when trading Hedo Turkoglu last year expires next month. Will you use that?
OS: You like to use everything you have. Trade exceptions, too. We may let it expire, but we may use it. I’ve allowed a couple to expire but I’ve also used a couple. I can’t say I’m 100 percent guaranteed we’re going to use it but I can’t say 100 percent I won’t.
To be clear, a trade exception can't be combined with another salary for matching purposes; the Magic can't deal Bass (at $4 million) and the exception (at $6.864 million) for a player making $10.864 million. No, as Smith likes to say, "you don't trade exceptions; you fill them." Exceptions allow teams to absorb salaries less than or equal to their value. The Magic can thus fill their exception with a player making roughly the mid-level without giving up anything for that player. Of course, they still have to pay his salary and the corresponding luxury tax hit, but purely from a roster standpoint (and not from a financial one), it's getting something for nothing. The question Smith has to ask when it comes to using the exception is, "Is this player, who will still cost my ownership money, going to put us over the top?"
There's nothing that says the Magic can't use the exception separately in a deal with the same team, at least as far as I know. Say, for instance, the Toronto Raptors believe the best return they can get in a sign-and-trade deal for Chris Bosh is Gortat, Bass, Pietrus, and three future first-round draft picks. Say also that they won't do the deal without unloading a bad contract, such as Marcus Banks'. They could sign Bosh to his max deal to acquire Gortat, Bass, Pietrus, and the draft picks. In a separate transaction, they could send Banks to the Magic to fill the trade exception, and thus generate one of their own.
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David Lee to Magic.............
David Lee is a player that quietly put huge numbers last season and is a free agent that nobody is talking about but I think that he can help immensely the Magic if Otis can sign him. I do not know how but maybe a sign and trade or using the pick but my thoughts are that David Lee is the perfect fit for Orlando.
I just worry that Lee might be one of those 'only good numbers on bad teams' kind of player
Nobody else on the Knicks was a good rebounder, so there were a lot to be had. Plus there were a ton of misses by the Knicks, so he had a lot of opportunities for offensive rebounds and put backs on easy baskets.
I have no realistic hopes for the Magic obtaining a significant player this offseason (from David Lee-quality on up), but if I were to dream, I would jump at the Gortat, Bass, Pietrus, one-two 1st rounders for Bosh (losing Pietrus worries me a bit though). It actually seems like a better trade for Toronto than the one for Andrew Bynum.
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I love Lee...
-But I wouldn’t give up Gortat for him. That would be a Mean front though! Howard, Lee and Lewis?? Whooo!
Lee bad for Magic
Lee is good player, no doubt about that. But he brings nothing to the Magic. Yes he would contribute, but is not big enough or athletic enough to play center in our defensive scheme. All the rebounds and put back points he gets now on the Knicks would just overlap with what Dwight does for us. Think about it… how many times have you seen two guys on the same front line average 12+ rebs a game? Someone’s numbers have to slide, and its probably not gonna be Dwight. Lee is a perfect fit for a Cleveland, assuming Lebrick stays. Lee works hard and scraps, which would be ideal when combined with a star that dominates the ball like Lebron or Wade. Not to say that he would be worthless, but there are much better fits for Orlando than Lee and vice versa.
Who do you see as better fits?
Not criticizing, just curious to hear who you think would fit.
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by NC Magic Fan on Jun 17, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
at PF?
not sure Power Forward is the issue. Personally, I like Lewis/Anderson combination for the next few years. My main problem with the David Lee suggestion is that it is inefficient for both Lee and the Magic. Basically a waste of his talents. I am not a fan of the Carter move last year, and would rather the Magic focus on getting another/better fit at play maker. Realistically, aside from the Lakers (only team’s big men i might consider as good as the Magic), what two deep front line would you rather have in the NBA?
by DoubleNickel on Jun 17, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
David Lee = Brandon Bass
They are essentially the same player. Can’t play center, but are effective traditional power forwards. Can’t shoot 3’s, but have good mid range jumper. Scrap for rebounds and put backs. And in reality, you can’t definitively say “well David Lee is better than Bass”, because Bass has never really had the opportunity that Lee has had in NY to play starter minutes. Taking a good or even really good player off a really bad team and thinking you can just add his stat line on to your really good team is not living in reality, IMO.
as what? a starter?
Then what do we do with Rashard, he might be able to play wing on offense but he definitely can not guard the wing. That is why i think Lee is a bad for our team. Having his talent on the bench is a waste and in the starting line up is not really an option.
by DoubleNickel on Jun 17, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Lee is better than Bass, without question.
More efficient, rebounds almost 1.5x as well, better than 2x the passer Bass is, with just slightly lower usage.
“Opportunities” have nothing to do with it. Lee is an elite rebounder overall and passer relative to his position. Bass is below average at both. If Bass were as skilled as Lee, it would have shown by now.
Thats fine.
The purpose of my argument was not to compare the two, individually, but rather to show that the type of player is not exactly compatible with the Magic as currently constructed. Putting Lee on the Magic would only hurt his productivity. I don’t think anyone would suggest bringing in Lee to come off the bench. I’d rather the Magic get a Devon Harris type player. Not a Max/Super Star (because i don’t think we can afford it, without parting ways with VC), but a young athletic player, who can get his own shot, whenever he wants, and who can get to the line at will. Lee costs money, because he is that talented. Money better spent elsewhere.
by DoubleNickel on Jun 17, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you say Lee is the better passer?
You need at least two things to compare to see if one is better than the other. Because the Black Hole never passes, how do we quantify these results?
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by hevchv on Jun 17, 2010 9:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lee can play center
He plays there for the Knicks. Sure, they’re running a D’Antoni defense but he’s not completely incapable there.
Not that I think he’s a good fit for the Magic, but to say he can’t play C is nonsense given that’s where he’s playing right now.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 17, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
just because he can, doesnt mean he should.
Lee is a power forward, he plays center because their team has no better option. He should not play center on any competitive team.
by DoubleNickel on Jun 17, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
just because he can, doesnt mean he should.
You mean – like Rashard PF?
I suppose
‘Sheed and Gasol shouldn’t play center on any competitive team either.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 18, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
True SF slasher type
6’8+ with rebounding and defensive skills. Pietrus is truly a SG and although he plays great defense, his size is hardly imposing. Length bothers the likes of Kobe (Durant matchup tore him up), Pierce and Lebron. Hedo was a terrible defender but his length alone created matchup problems. I don’t think PF is the major issue. ‘Shard had plenty of open looks that just didn’t fall and that was the difference in the series. Oh and VC got tore up on D no matter who he was guarding vs Boster, that was huge too.
Otis is a mastermind. I wouldn’t doubt that he matched Gortats offer, signed Bass, VC, etc JUST FOR this free agency class. Now don’t expect a Lebron or DWade but there are others available who can really help this team and it wouldn’t suprise me if Otis has had his eye on someone since last season. Barnes is NOT coming back.
Kings and Sixers fans are lucky
They get to talk about a trade right now. I wonder if this opens up a possibility of Gortat going to the Sixers since they traded away their starting center in Dalembert.
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Wow. I missed that trade.
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by hevchv on Jun 17, 2010 9:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the Sixers got Hawes. I doubt they'll want Gortat.
Hawes is.. meh. then again most centers in the NBA are.
TRADE EVERYBODY!!!!!
My favorite regular season freak-out. I still like our team, and I think they’ll only improve together next year. My biggest hope is for a healthy Jameer all season, as well as an improved Carter/Howard combo.
As for what we can get with our trade assets, I don’t have a clue but in Otis I trust.
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Could the Suns be partners?
They’re about to lose Stoudemire unless they do a sign and trade.
They also have C Ben Wallace as a UFA along with Channing Fyre while Robin Lopez and Earl Thomas are as raw as uncooked meat.
They previously traded their R1 pick to Oklahoma.
To get a final hurrah from Steve Nash, they could try to sign Dirk Nowitzki either Marcin Gortat and Brandon Bass would look good in purple and they might be willing to take Vince Carter as a salary dump in expectation for the Carmelo Anthony sweepstakes in the summer of 2011.
We get Amar’e Stoudemire and maybe some salary back in the shape of Jared Dudley who might be a decent long term bet behind Rasheed Lewis at SF.
I wouldnt mind
acquiring Dragic to backup Nelson. He’s learned from the best pick and roll PG in the game. Booya
I think they are developing him to succeed Nash.
If we traded C Gortat, PF Bass and SG/SF Carter for PF Stoudemire and SF Dudley, I’d also want to swap our No59 for the Suns No46.
At No29 we could draft Dominique Jones to be a backup for Nelson while at No46 we can draft a C in Jerome Jordan, Art Parakhouski or Brian Zoubek to bring along slowly as we can always move Amar’e inside to spell Howard and give Anderson some minutes.
We have a roster then of
C Howard, No46
PF Stoudemire, Anderson
SF Lewis, Dudley
SG Reddick, Pietrus
PG Nelson, Jones
That would leave PHX's roster weirdly unbalanced.
More so than if they just let Stat walk, imo.
(And, as I said on another thread, Wallace plays for Detroit not PHX. Forgotten?)
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by magicfaninTN on Jun 17, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh.
I meant had you forgotten that Wallace plays for Detroit? Very funny.
"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jun 17, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is Jones? I dont really know the direction Suns are going. But this seems like a fair trade imo. Try reading the comments, they help you.
I'd still be surprised
If the Suns didn’t bring him back.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 17, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Gortat and Carter could well match the Stoudemire sign and trade salary. But I think that the Suns would want some more, and it would help grease the wheels of the deal with us taking Dudley as well. They may however go with Ryan Anderson.
The max contract Amare’s is after is $134m/6 years so about $22.4m a year. Dudley is on about $2.5m so $24.9m … Carter is on $17.3m and Gortat and Gortat $6.3m so adding Anderson on $1.4m takes it to $25m.
The Suns have a roster a line up of Gortat/Lopez, Anderson/Thomas, Richardson/Hill, Carter/Barbosa, Nash/Dragic
Our roster goes Howard/No59, Stoudemire/Bass, Lewis/Dudley, Reddick/Pietrus, Nelson/No29
They like Dudley, they dont want to lose his contract. And you can be millions and millions of dollars away from exactly matching salaries in a trade with so much money and it is still legal to do (meaning Bass doesnt have to go if it has VC in it, I think). And who is Thomas?
I don't think it works like that
I think the salary in a sign and trade is based on the first year, not the full value of the contract divided by years.
The most Stoudamire can get is 30% of whatever the salary cap eventually ends up being, which will be around about what Carter’s on.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 17, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is correct
salary figures in a trade are just 1 year, the current year of the contract
it would be somewhere around 17 million for the first year i believe, maybe 18
vince would almost have to be involved in any type of trade to get one of this summer’s max guys. while i would probably love for this to happen, the likelihood of it happening is about as good as us winning the boston series after game 3.
Mmmm
Maybe Toronto will take Carter for Bosh if we trade them Bass, Gortat and Anderson for Turk’s horrible contract.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 18, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We are all salivating
Lol it seems everybody is looking for a major trade…
Another blogger on mbn brought up the idea of igudalla… I’ve liked him on this team for a while also… Perimeter player who can get in the lane and also space the floor out… He is an able defender im sure he could fit in the lockerroom just as well as he’d fit on the court… Bass or gortat w peaches + trade exception plus draft pick might add out?
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by JoeyBarz on Jun 18, 2010 5:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
You can't include the trade exception
With players in a deal for another player.. Iggy’s alright, but he’s a poor three point shooter which would damage his usefulness in our offense.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 18, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions

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