Orlando Magic 2010 Mock Draft Update, Vol. 1.5: Point Guards Aplenty
by Evan Dunlap on Jun 12, 2010 2:15 PM EDT
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PrintAs I continue to try to get a better idea of whom the Orlando Magic could target with the 29th pick in this year's NBA Draft, I thought it might be useful to take another quick look around the internet to see what the experts are saying. As a quick follow-up to Thursday's post on the subject, here are what three more mock drafts say about Orlando's potential pick. Two of the three players didn't appear in Thursday's report, and all are point guards.
| Player | Ht. | Age | Pos. | From | Comparison (NBADraft.net) | Site |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Armon Johnson | 6'03" | 21 | PG | Nevada | Antonio Daniels | The Baseline |
| Eric Bledsoe | 6'02" | 19 | PG | Kentucky | Keyon Dooling; Marcus Banks | FanSided |
| Terrico White | 6'05" | 20 | PG | Mississippi | NBA FanHouse |
For me, White's the most interesting player on the list. I mean "interesting" in the literal sense, not necessarily because I believe he'd make sense with the Magic. But at 6'05", he's tall for a point guard. If he learned the Magic's offense and developed into an adequate distributor, he could stay on the court long enough to deploy his physical tools on defense. Though he only defended 24 isolation possessions this season, according to Synergy Sports Technology, opponents scored on just 8 of them.
Offensively, the best fit of the three players here might be Bledsoe. He's a knock-down jump-shooter, scoring 1.081 points per shot at the college level, which Synergy deems "excellent." Though shooting won't necessarily translate to the pro game, you have to think that his catch-and-shoot figures would hold up, which would make him quite useful. He scored 1.198 points per shot in those situations, including a blistering 1.333 when left open. For comparison, Rashard Lewis (1.369) and Mickael Pietrus (1.361) were the only Magic players to exceed that efficiency this season. Granted, comparing shooting efficiency across the pro and college game, with their different rules and styles of play, might be perilous. But those stats are still worth considering.
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Point Guard supreme
Hello Ben and fellow Magic followers… I’m new to the posting here but been reading this site for sometime. Those of you that read the Sentinel posts may have seen my comments before.
My Vote: A tall , 6’5" intelligent, pass first, team oriented, hard worker and defensive minded…. can drive the bucket and is a great 3 shooter! His name is Jon Scheyer a graduate of Duke and of Coach k’s outstanding basketball program.
So tell Otis to get on the stick and to Draft or Sign this guy NOW!
Jon Scheyer most likely will go undrafted
so he would be available IF Otis is interested.
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by NC Magic Fan on Jun 12, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Judging by how this poll is looking thus far...
I think it’s safe to say that no one here wants Armon Johnson.
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Spoke too soon, 1 measly vote for Johnson.
When you’re not a good 3-pt shooter, there really isn’t a place for you on a team that requires you to shoot 3’s well at your position.
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Height is something you can't teach
A 6-5 PG is an awesome piece to have. Add to the fact that he’s a pass-first type and a team player and we have someone who may counter-effect a player like Rajon Rondo with his height and skill. I like the pick, but I hope there is still someway to move up in the draft.
Orlando, our time will come.
by magic12ball on Jun 12, 2010 3:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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by magicbasketballonline on Jun 13, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The Magic supposedly have a history of trying to find the next Penny and overreach on potential greatly. I think I read something like that somewhere. Hobson drew a Penny comparison in a profile or two..
by derekk on Jun 13, 2010 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are there 6'5" PGs in the league, though?
I feel like there are very, very few 6’5" or taller guys who manage to stick as NBA point guards. Can’t even think of one in recent years offhand, though I’m sure there are one or two floating around who I’m forgetting.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Tyreke Evans (6’6")? He’s the only one I can think of who’s taller than Kidd (who is 6’4").
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by eltharion_doa on Jun 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I like Torrnace, Vazquez, and Warren more than these.
by derekk on Jun 12, 2010 7:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Me either
I just pick the guys with the coolests names in these polls. We’re not going to draft anyone I care about.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 13, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Scheyer
How much of a defensive liability is Scheyer? Isnt that what the Magic need from the PG position?
by Hassanali181 on Jun 12, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
+1 for you!
Scheyer is a TERRIBLE one-on-one defender with poor lateral movement and so-so ball handling skills, especially when pressured. I would be ok with him being our 3rd emergency PG who doesn’t need to be drafted.
I don’t like any of these guys for our team, but when forced to pick by the poll, I reluctantly chose Bledsoe because he has the most potential of the 3 listed.
In regards to Mikhail Torrance, I refer you to what Alex Kennedy of HoopsWorld said to me on Twitter one day. “The Magic are one of the few teams that haven’t worked Torrance out, so they either don’t like him or don’t feel he’ll be there at 29”
The Magic are working out Vazquez and Hobson. I like both of them. I wonder who else is getting a workout?
by derekk on Jun 12, 2010 10:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Where'd you find this out? jw, you don't have to tell me if you don't want to reveal your source.
As soon as I find out who they’re working out, I’ll post it here.
Well, I have no insider stuff. I read about Hobson getting a workout from an article. I think we alrdy saw it but I can look for it if you want. With Vazquez, it is less certain, but I check out even message boards in the summer and one poster said he twittered to Vazquez and he told him Magic will have a workout with him. It would make sense to have more PGs and wing players now, so the Magic can have a PG group workout and Wing players group workout? But who knows, maybe they like a private solo workout more.
by derekk on Jun 13, 2010 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that is certainly possible.
by derekk on Jun 14, 2010 2:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t like White. I can’t see him as a decent NBA point guard.
Torrance and Vasquez are more interesting if the Magic look for a tall PG who can distribute the ball.
Bledsoe still my favorite if he falls to 29. But I don’t think the Grizzlies will let him pass. Torrance probably won’t be there at #29 too. Warren is probably going to be the best PG available, but in this case, a wingman (Pondexter?) would be a better choice.
Scheyer is a good pick at #59 if the Magic select a wingman. But I prefer an international prospect in development (not necessarily joining the team in 2010) to be drafted with #59.
Anyway… I think Otis Smith will bring CJ Watson to be Jameer’s backup next season. No need to waste a #29 pick in a third-string PG in this scenario.
by fregonassi on Jun 12, 2010 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Getting CJ lines up with the Magic working out Hobson and the mock drafts having Magic taking other wingmen.
by derekk on Jun 12, 2010 10:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
CJ Watson can't pass well enough to be the backup SG, let alone the backup PG.
What is you people’s obsession with that guy? He’s a poor passer and a mediocre outside shooter.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Well
He’s a more efficient scorer than Nelson, he’s not that bad a passer (better than both Carter and Redick) and he takes care of the ball. He’s good at running the pick and roll, he’s quick and gets into the paint, and he doesn’t need a high usage rate to make him effective.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 13, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He gets an assist every ten minutes.
Those numbers have held true for three years now — at SG, at PG, anywhere.
He’s maybe a more efficient scorer than 2009-10 regular-season Nelson, who was off his game for most of the year. But he’s also a 31% three-point shooter.
I mean, it doesn’t matter. We don’t have a SG or a SF who can run the offense, so our backup point guard has to be a real point guard — not just a guy who can “take care of the ball”, a guy who can orchestrate the offense.
With that in mind, what reason do we have to believe that’s a thing Watson is capable of? What real statistical reason? Not “oh, he might have abilities he hasn’t demonstrated so far, the stats might be wrong.” Because yes, he might. But I see no reason whatsoever to assume that he will.
I mean, ideally, I want a backup point guard who has proven that he can run an offense. A guy who’s done it in the NBA before. But if we go with a rookie, a guy who hasn’t proven anything one way or the other, that’s cool too. No evidence on either side. Believing in Watson means you’re going against the evidence. You can say “there’s not enough evidence there,” but you have to acknowledge that the evidence that is there doesn’t look good.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
by 3.3seconds on Jun 13, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully the next Magic backup PG can play some defense too
…unlike Jason Williams.
I’ll give J-Will credit for doing an adequate job offensively, especially the first half of the season, but his defense left a lot to be desired, as you pointed out several times.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jun 13, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't know where you're getting this from
He’s not a passing point guard, but he can run the offense. He’s an efficient scorer, he’s mobile, he can drive, get into the paint, run the pick and roll…
You’re just not going to get Chris Paul Jnr as a backup point guard. That guy doesn’t exist. The point guards out there that can create and shoot as well as Williams and play better defense are already starting or locked up with teams, they’re not hitting free agency.
Guys who played less than 24 minutes with a TS% > .55 and an assist ratio > .20 are:
Sergio Rodriguez
Ty Lawson
Luke Ridnour
Goran Dragic
CJ Watson
I jsut don’t know what you’re looking for here. You seem to think we’re just going to be able to pick up a guy who can score, drive, defend and create like they’re hanging out on street corners.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 13, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And
Watson played more than 24 mpg, so you can cross him off that list too.
This software needs an edit function.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 13, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
*Livingston
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by Mike from Illinois on Jun 14, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
That's why I'm not really excited about this draft
…because of how low the Magic are drafting. At 29th, they’re not going to get a PG who can do all 4 things well (score, drive, defend and create).
I still hope they can get someone serviceable who will see meaningful minutes next season.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jun 14, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
No.
I don’t care if the guy can drive, or defend, or score (volume). I care if the guy can create, and I care if he can shoot the 3. And if he can do both those things, that’s all I care about. Of course, if he can do other things, that’s cool. But those are the two things that really matter.
But the most important thing by far is running the offense, because there’s nobody else on the team (except Nelson) who can do that, and you have to have someone on the floor at all times who’s manning the point and running the offense. If he doesn’t drive to the hoop well, that’s mildly limiting. If he’s shaky defending his position, well, that could cause some small issues. But if he’s not running the offense, the entire offense is garbage as long as he’s on the floor. There’s several orders of magnitude difference here.
So why are you so sure Watson can run an NBA offense? He has spent the past three seasons not running an NBA offense. You’re talking about ratios… it’s not a matter of ratios.
I’ll give you some numbers.
30.4 minutes, 2.7 assists, 1.6 turnovers
30.0 minutes, 2.7 assists, 0.9 turnovers
27.5 minutes, 2.8 assists, 1.1 turnovers
32.6 minutes, 3.2 assists, 1.1 turnovers
29.0 minutes, 2.7 assists, 1.4 turnovers
22.1 minutes, 1.9 assists, 0.8 turnovers
30.8 minutes, 3.1 assists, 1.4 turnovers
In order: Carlos Delfino, Ronnie Brewer, Watson, Watson’s teammate Reggie Williams, Andrei Kirilenko, JJ Redick and Vince Carter. Which one of them can run an offense?
As you can see, a guy who makes good passes and takes care of the ball can average an assist every ten minutes or so and a 2.0 ratio. That doesn’t mean any of those guys on this list is a point guard — it’s not like you could give Ronnie Brewer the ball three times as much and expect him to come out with 8.1 assists and 2.7 turnovers a game.
Assuming assists will scale upward because of his ratio is like looking at Kendrick Perkins’ 60% field goal shooting on 6.7 FGA a game and saying “hey, let’s give him the ball three times as much, so he can score 30 points on 20 shots a game.” No. Perkins doesn’t have the offensive game to make shots… he shoots a high percentage because he mostly gets put-backs and open dunks.
Point guards are the same thing. Nobody ever became a point guard just by making the passes in the system. Point guards have to run the whole play. Passing is part of it, but so are vision and creativity. And so far, Watson has proven he can make the passes, but he’s shown no real evidence of creativity as a point guard. He’s looked a lot like a good passing SG/SF, and not very much like a point guard at all.
And maybe he has untapped talents he hasn’t shown in three NBA seasons… but do you really want to gamble on that? As I said, there’s not so much evidence that it can’t be wrong, but there’s no evidence on the other side.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
by 3.3seconds on Jun 14, 2010 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But let me correct something.
Remember when I said Watson can’t pass well enough to be the Magic’s backup SG? That was wrong. Actually, once you account for Golden State’s offensive pace, Watson’s assists/possession and A/TO ratio were almost identical to Redick’s.
So the evidence suggests that Watson can pass just about exactly well enough to be the Magic’s backup SG.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
None of those numbers
Are adjusted for usage or minutes. They’re meaningless.
If we just want a guy who can create and shoot the three, we’ve got one – Jason Williams. If that’s your only criteria, why not just resign the guy we’ve already got?
by eltharion_doa on Jun 14, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Williams can't create any more.
If we could re-sign first-half Jason Williams, don’t you think we’d do that? But we saw this season that Williams no longer has the stamina to play an entire NBA season. You sign first-half Jason Williams, and by the end of the season, you’ve got second-half Jason Williams.
And I don’t understand what you mean by “none of these numbers are adjusted for minutes”. Um, yes they are. I put the minutes per game right next to the assists per game. If you don’t want to do the division, that’s not my problem. (They’re not adjusted for pace, though. That was not a thing I was willing to do.)
You want “usage”? Usage, in this case, is the number of assists the guy managed to create per minute. Watson, as he has done for the last three years, created very few assists.
Why didn’t he do that? Is it because he didn’t have the ball enough? Maybe that’s a factor. But if you accept that premise, you then have to ask two more questions: why didn’t he have the ball more? And wouldn’t a real point guard be able to carve out shots for his teammates at a rate of more than one every ten minutes, no matter what the offense he played in was like?
The numbers aren’t “meaningless”. They’re incomplete. They show that there are some circumstances under which CJ Watson cannot run an NBA offense. There are also some circumstances under which CJ Watson cannot distinguish himself as an especially prolific passer for a shooting guard.
Now, you’re right in saying that that doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll fail under all circumstances. (Consider Vince Carter — clearly an effective distributor in New Jersey, but the next year in Orlando, not so much.) But it is evidence that he’s not so great that he can overcome a bad situation. There aren’t enough signs to reach a definitive verdict, but the signs we do have look pretty lousy.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
It isn't, though
Assists per minute doesn’t account for usage. If you give me the ball on ten plays in 36 minutes and I create an assist on six of them, my per-36 numbers will be 6.0 assists. If you give me the ball on twenty plays in 36 minutes and I assist on six of them, my average per 36 will only be 3.0.
Now, Williams’ numbers might have fallen away in the second half but it was his first year back in basketball and he’s an old dude, his body may not have been quite ready for a full season. Or maybe he’s regressed. Who knows.
My point is that you’re not going to find a really solid backup PG just hanging around on the FA list or in the draft. Given we have such a low draft pick and the shittiness of the FA points, guys like CJ Watson – who cab get in the paint, as Ben is referring to, if that’s your argument – are the guys we’re going to be looking at. If we take a draft pick, at 29 there’s a very high probability we’re going to get a guy who’ll simply flame out, so we’d be left with what – Jameer Nelson and Dad?
Our backup point options are:
Sign a guy like CJ Watson – it doesn’t have to be him, but if we want a guy who can shoot and pass, there simply aren’t many options available as FA
Re-sign Jason Williams and hope he can last the season this time
Play draft pick lottery and risk getting a bust
It’s not that I think CJ Watson is an especially good player or option, I just don’t see the alternative.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 14, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Dad's a better pure point guard than CJ Watson.
Or was in 2008-09, at any rate.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Well, yeah
But he doesn’t do anything else as well.
I’m not interested in a “pure point guard”. We don’t run a system that needs one.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 15, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But we do run a system where the offense always goes through the point guard.
So we need a point guard who can fulfill that requirement. (Or a player at another position, e.g. Turkoglu in previous years — but this seems less likely.)
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Williams gets his assists, sure, but I believe what 3.3 is referring to (and if he isn't, then I certainly am) is he's not a drive-and-kick guy like Nelson is. He doesn't get into the lane.
by Evan Dunlap on Jun 14, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah.
I’m saying Watson doesn’t have the craft or the court vision to build plays.
He can pass the ball in the context of existing plays or rotations — I don’t much doubt his technical skills.
But I don’t see any statistical reason to believe he has the awareness necessary to find the open man when the open man is not part of the play, or the mentality to open up the defense and generate the high-percentage shot for his teammates. (Driving/kicking being one of the ways he could do the latter, certainly.) In short, all the things you need to do when you’re the boss of the offense.
Watson has played three seasons, in an offense which certainly allows a lot of room for experimentation, sometimes as a point guard and sometimes alongside PGs of no particular distinction. Nothing we’ve seen from him has separated him from the ranks of responsible-passing wing players I listed above.
If he’s a real PG, if he has the innate inspiration to play the point, why hasn’t he made more things happen? Or, you know, any things?
Williams, by contrast, has the opposite problem. He’s really always had the opposite problem. He’s got great court vision and inspiration, but doesn’t have the physical capacity or passing/handling fundamentals to pull off the plays he sees. In his early career, that meant 7 assist/3.5 turnover seasons (and 37% shooting.) His imagination was out of control… he assumed just about every play was a good play. He’s reined it in since, but as the season dragged on, he was obviously too physically taxed to do much of anything near the end.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Of course, not being sure if GSW actually run plays or not complicates the analysis, huh? heheh
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by magicfaninTN on Jun 15, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I would say the Warriors’… unusual offense complicates matters.
Still, Watson’s unusually low volume of assists is a serious red flag for me — just like an unusually low volume of shots would be a red flag if the team was considering a guy to be a top scorer, regardless of his shooting percentage. (“That Steve Kerr guy can’t miss… give him the ball more, and he’ll score 20 a game!”)
Can he prove me wrong? Maybe! Would I rather he proved me wrong (or not) on another team? Definitely!
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Alexey Shved
… of CSKA Moscow, could be the best option of the lot.
At 6ft6, and 185lbs is main weakness is a current lack of strength.
One of the best undrafted prospects in Europe, he’s described as having ‘immense’ upside
I like his limitless upside, but I read he doesn’t even play many minutes for his CSKA Moscow squad yet.
by derekk on Jun 14, 2010 12:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bledsoe
I’m a Gator’s fan and it hurts to say this but, Eric Bledsoe should be the pick. He can hit the 3, slash to the hoop and pass. I know he’s a ‘one-and-done’ guy and that Otis wants a mature player like a C-Lee but this kid can ball.
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cleared
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by magicfaninTN on Jun 13, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
never knew
UF vs Kentucky was a big rivalry.
Yeah
Really?
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jun 13, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Bledsoe's kind of an unknown quantity.
I mean, all we know about him is that he’s… probably not as good as John Wall? He’s a good shooter, but there’s no reason to believe he can run an offense. Also, no reason to believe he can’t run an offense.
And yet… here’s what worries me. He knew Wall was coming out. He knew he’d have his chance to really prove himself next year, and if he proved he could run an offense, he’d probably be a lottery pick. And yet… he decides to come out now, when he’s likely to get picked in the late 20s. I don’t know him — maybe his family is really poor and he couldn’t pass up the guaranteed money. There are other reasons. But maybe he’s not sure he would have succeeded in a bigger role next year…
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Or another highly gifted PG is coming in to take Wall's place.
Just to be clear, I am probably being sarcastic.
There actually is.
A kid by the name of Brandon Knight. But still, it’s unlikely that Bledsoe (with one more year of experience) wouldn’t get the first shot at the point…
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Bledsoe's stats for 2009-10
In 30.3 minutes per game…
11.3 ppg on 46.2% shooting, 38.3% on threes, and 66.7% on FTs
3.1 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 3.0 turnovers, 1.4 steals
Had a high game of 29 points, and three other 20 point games
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by Mike from Illinois on Jun 13, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS!
There’s a lot of hype surrounding Eric Bledsoe because he played at Kentucky alongside John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins. With Wall at the point, Bledsoe played most of his minutes at the 2 so we don’t really know how capable he is of running an offense but considering his A/TO ratio is below 1, there are serious questions. I think you may be right that Bledsoe entered the draft to mask a potential inability to run an offense since he would probably play a larger role next year for the Wildcats if he stayed at Kentucky. I also agree with what you said earlier that we should have a backup PG who knows how to run an offense and I’m not sure Bledsoe can do that since he won’t have Wall giving him open looks and Cousins to create more space for him (Gortat isn’t exactly an offensive force).
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Anothing thing is consider is that Bledsoe was committed to Florida for a while...
where he probably would’ve played a larger role but then he decommitted and chose Kentucky not long after John Wall committed there. I know top-flight recruits can be persuasive like that or a basketball program that has been relevant for a while can have that impact too but on the other hand, a lot of recruits go to programs where they’d either start or play larger roles and Kentucky didn’t get back to relevance until this year. Maybe just maybe, Eric Bledsoe knew that John Wall could mask his deficiencies.
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by GameManager on Jun 14, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
It’s the team’s biggest need at this point, and probably the most prevalent position out there in this year’s draft. What do you think they’re going to do with the pick?
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Dominique Jones
Could be an interesting selection. A combo guard, he can be our 3rd PG but also see court time at SG behind Reddick. Will be of reasonable value at the bottom of R1
***Livingston
He was my pick last year early on when i read he was making great strides after that terrible knee injury. To bad Washington has him now under contract. He would have made Jameer look like a middle school PG!
Plus he’s what? 6’7" or 8"…. whoa!
Unless he's signed something recently
He’s a free agent.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 14, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And I like the guy
But he’s 6-32 in his career from behind the arc, which doesn’t really fit our offense.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 14, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's my draft wishlist as of right now:
Wings
1. Darington Hobson
2. Avery Bradley
3. Quincy Pondexter
4. Damion James
5. Elliot Williams
6. Stanley Robinson
6. Nemanja Bjelica
PGs
1. Willie Warren
2. Mikhail Torrance
3. Greivis Vasquez
4. Jerome Randle
Overall,
Hobson, Warren, Bradley, Pondexter, Torrance top the list. Bjelica looks like a good 59th pick to leave in Europe developing for now.
What do you like about Hobson?
Not saying I think he’s definitely bad, but I don’t see anything (scoring volume, percentage, quality of opposition, anything) to suggest he’s that much of a big deal. He’s a guy who stuck around, became his team’s top scoring option, and did that for a season.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
I think he’s going to be a gamble worth taking since its the 29th. Only Pondexter, and a few players who would have to drop like 10 projected spots, warrant consideration to me.
He looks like a Paul Pierce type player to me. He is truly offensively versatile and will get to the FT line. He racked up the dimes and has a clear PG role in him, and he seems more mature and developed than other players. I see him getting minutes in the preseason, and if he does well, then I think there’s a real chance he is already playing some in the regular season, at either 2 or 3. Its crazy bc Hobson is still young and VC is still very good, but I can see it as an attempt to “replace” VC by 1-2 seasons’ end. Its overly optimistic, but thats what it looks like to me. If he turns out into a solid defender with a nice little offensive role to add tho, then thats fine too.
But he wasn't exactly dominant...
…even playing for a second-tier college program. 16 points on 44% shooting in 33 minutes a game.
The way I see it, there’s a guy like that on basically EVERY college team. SOMEONE has to score 15-16 points a game. And sometimes it’s a guy with a lot of pure talent, and then sometimes it’s a guy who gets the role by default, because he’s a solid college player who’s been around a long time, and they don’t have anyone more exciting to give the ball to.
When I see a guy like Hobson, who didn’t fill that role until his senior year, that just screams “default” to me. I could be wrong, but his college stats don’t impress me.
(Okay, the assists are pretty nice. I’ll give him that.)
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Per Chad Ford:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft&id=5285137
Hobson wasn’t loved by everyone there, but a number of NBA GMs seem to think he could be an unusual player in the league. An Internet report over the weekend claiming Hobson had multiple promises in the first round is not true according to his agent, Michael Hodges. But Hobson does have a real shot at the first round if he finds the right team.
Per Alex Kennedy of Hoopsworld:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16481
Relying heavily on game film and their individual interviews, the Magic are only planning to hold one workout prior to draft night, according to sources close to the situation.
This workout is expected to take place on June 22nd, just two days before the draft. Quincy Pondexter, Darington Hobson, Devin Ebanks, Jordan Crawford, and Greivis Vasquez make up the list of attendees so far, but others could be added at the last minute.
Old, but really good article on Randle and Torrance. Its by Moreau, a really smart Xs and Os guy.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/college/story.asp?STORY_ID=15908
Randle looks even more intriguing now. I cant believe neither him or Torrance aren’t on the Magic workout invite list.
That is an interesting read. Nice find.
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