Vince Carter Will Be OK
The Orlando Magic have nearly drawn even with the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference Finals--trailing just 3-2 now after a 3-0 deficit to open the series--but have done so without much help from Vince Carter, their starting shooting guard and prized offseason acquisition. The media have put him under a microscope, which should come as no surprise; less than a week into this season, M. Haubs of The Painted Area wondered if a strong showing in a deep Magic playoff run would cement Carter's spot in the Hall of Fame. The fact that he hasn't delivered much in this series, and in fact missed two crucial free throws in Orlando's Game 2 loss, has opened him to plenty of criticism. Adrian Wojnarowski blasted Carter in this column, for instance, while the front page of the Orlando Sentinel's sports section before Wednesday's Game 5 featured a headline that read "Dear Vince, Please Show Up." And, um, he didn't, shooting 3-of-10 for 8 points and once again spending plenty of time on the bench as J.J. Redick, his backup, outplayed him. TNT analyst Kevin McHale joked after Orlando's Game 4 win that he found Carter "on the mil carton in my refrigerator." You get the idea.
So he's taking a beating, and the media are exploiting the usual talking points about him: he's soft, he's not clutch, he's timid, he doesn't have a "killer instinct." And, well, yeah, there's truth to some of that, insofar as he's having a pretty terrible series, shooting 35.9% from the floor for 13 points per game. But I don't have a problem with his aggression in his series; I don't see him settling for too much. Consider that his percentage of shot attempts at the basket area (28.1%) in this series actually exceeds that figure from the regular season (25.6%) and that his work in the pick-and-roll has led to 4 assists for 9 points, as well as 9 other looks for which his teammates did not reward his unselfishness, per Synergy Sports Technology.
No, Carter's real problem in this series has been his inability to make a shot from outside the paint. He's shooting 30.4% on shots that aren't dunks, layups, or tip-ins so far in this series, including a 3-of-15 mark from three-point range. It's a make or miss league, as Magic coach Stan Van Gundy likes to say, and Carter's missing a lot of shots.
Another issue, one that I think too many people have overlooked in order to instead focus on Carter's missing shots, is turnovers. He had 11 in the first 4 games of this series before having a spotless turnover column in last night's game. Maybe it's that people have, shall we say, become accustomed to Magic wings wearing no. 15 having butterfingers, but Carter showed a remarkable ability to hang onto the ball this season: he was one of four players whose usage exceeded 25% to have a turnover rate below 9, for example. That he's struggling against the Celtics' defense should come as no surprise, given that it ranked 2nd in the league in forcing turnovers this year. So curbing the uncharacteristic turnovers will certainly help his cause. And the Magic's. Because they're the same, you know. All for one and one for all, and all that.
The best way for Carter to get back on track is to continue shooting. But the big issue is that he has to be trying the right kind of shots. Often he finds himself trying to convert off-balance shots, off the dribble, with defenders lurking. He has the right idea because he's attacking the basket slightly more often than usual, but he has to be even more assertive. Work his way to the foul line, find a rhythm, and get buckets. It really may be that simple, although the Celtics' defense certainly has a say in the process.
I look at it this way: the Celtics' defense mystified Jameer Nelson for the first 3 games before he and Van Gundy realized that keeping his dribble live and staying on the attack puts pressure on Boston defenders. If Carter figures this out, Orlando will be in much better shape than it is already. Considering that it just staved off elimination in consecutive games with Carter combining to miss 14 of his 18 shots, that's saying something.
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"the Celtics' defense mystified Jameer Nelson for the first 3 games before he and Van Gundy realized that keeping his dribble live and staying on the attack puts pressure on Boston defenders."
Is that really it though? Is it THAT hard for NBA calibur personel to have to take 3 games to discover that blatent observation? Especially considering thats what they’ve been doing since November. I think the Magic just became bored over the first 2 rounds, and having played Altanta AFTER Charlotte didn’t help our toughness level either.
I am basically at a point to where I don’t believe Vince is playing possum anymore. I honestly believe this is it for him; all he has left to offer. He seems halfway disinterested and kind of in hopes to be “along for the ride” to a potential ring. I don’t know…
Hopefully I eat crow and he goes off for 30+ in Game 6 Friday and another 10+ pt victory for the Magic.
Thanks for the optimism. And don’t call me “cheerleader” fan.
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Maybe it was a "And don't call me Shirley" Airplane movie moment?
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Seriously though
What are you referring to? Did someone call you “cheerleader” fan on here or something?
Someone called Vince Carter the team cheerleader in the game thread.
So… "And don’t call me “cheerleader” fan." means that gator doesn’t want to be called a “cheerleader fan” in regard to being a fan of VC.
by fanoftheunderdogs on May 27, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it wasn't that.
We’ve been having sweepin’ polls, change line up polls, last game of Amway in game 2 statements and those who were trying to stay postive were even treated as being “cheerleading fans” and not realistic enough.
I just though that we can take a day off and be optimistic while continuing to discuss about the game.
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The statement of "the Magic just became bored over the first 2 rounds" is laughable.
I hope you’re not serious.
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by Wally Balls 407 on May 27, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
100% agree. Nobody seemed bored in those series.
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I’m referring to bored as in the lay overs and waiting and absolute lack of competition from the likes of Atlanta.
You guys are brutal. Go friggin Magic!
I certainly didn't mean to be brutal. We just had a great game we can have a little more optimism here.
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I hear ya
and I certainly feel as though we have game 6 too. I haven’t felt this confident in the Magic since the Atlanta series started.
Ben is on fire today !
They way Magic keep playing better and better, I wouldn’t be suprised if Lewis and Carter would get going in the same game. With Meer and D12 rolling, MP finanlly hititng a 3 and JJ more than solid, this team certainly hasn’t said its final words. It’s all about the Defense but to get things done against this Boston team you need to score and score big.
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lol @ Sign
Dedication for you. I hope you get the point.
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Yeah man
It got crazy yesterday.
But I learned long ago flipping out over every thing that is not politically correct makes for a very miserable existence….
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omg you are such an asshole lol
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by TheGiantSquid on May 27, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
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by TheGiantSquid on May 27, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't drink and blog, my darling squid
The consequences aren’t pretty
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I wish Vince was playing better, but at least he isn't killing the team with an abundance of bad shot attempts
Despite his struggles, the Celtics still have to respect his game, so whoever is defending Vince has to focus on him and not wander to double another player (like Dwight or Jameer). At the very least, Vince is a good decoy that might be able to net us a good game on occasion.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
That's another point I should have made. He's using fewer possessions, which is also mitigating his poor shooting.
Put it this way: he’s shooting bricks, but not shooting bricks at a volume rate.
This is crucial.
He may be slumping a little, but he’s also clearly having problems due to Pierce’s defense. Pierce has got him figured out, which shouldn’t be a huge surprise, given that a) Pierce is a really good defender, and b) Pierce was very motivated coming into the league by the fact that he was drafted 10th, behind (among others) Vince Carter. I wouldn’t be shocked if Pierce has spent a lot more time over the last decade or so studying Carter’s offensive game than he has studying other comparable players.
But really, Carter is handling it just about the best way possible — he’s attempting some shots (and really, 35.6% isn’t all THAT bad considering), but mostly he’s letting the ball go to other options. Which we have, and if those other options don’t have to worry about Paul Pierce messing with them, that makes matters easier for them.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
You made the point that he taking some poor quality shots off the dribble
Do you think that is b/c SVG is trying to get him going earlier in the game? I noticed last night he took a couple of contested jump shots on the first couple possessions of the game. When they weren’t falling he started dishing to the open man.
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by Wally Balls 407 on May 27, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
I agree somewhat
Often he finds himself trying to convert off-balance shots, off the dribble, with defenders lurking.
That 28% shots at the rim are fadeaway, double pump, one-handed difficult shots and thats were the stats are lying. Yeah, he can make some of them. But 2 FTA’s in 2 games is not going to cut it. Players get in shooting funks so I can understand the missed 3s but not getting to the line more is the frustrating thing about Vince right now.
But Pierce has also done a good job defending him. It seems Pierce is not biting on any of Vince’s moves and then Vince shoots a fadeaway from behind the basket.
SVG has a tough job ahead because he had to figure out a way to get Jameer, Rashard, Dwight going offensively. Now he has to figure out something with Vince.
Thanks Vince.
Vince has been playing "OK".
That’s more of a problem than it is a plus.
We need him to play great, not ‘OK’.
by fanoftheunderdogs on May 27, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions
The Magic are showing that they can win with him just playing "OK."
But you’re right, it’d certainly be better if he stepped it up, sure.
I've kind of given up on the idea of Carter being a consistent 20-25 pt scorer for us in the playoffs.
…Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Dwight and Jameer (along with the support of guys like Rashard and JJ) have proven that they are more than capable of carrying the offensive load when needed. He certainly can play better, but he does not have to be “superstar” great for us to win this series. VC just needs to play with energy and intelligence.
That;'s not how the Magic work.
They never need a great offensive performance from one specific player — whoever the opposing team has locked down, they have enough other talent to pick up the slack.
And honestly, I’d say Jameer’s offensive performance is more important than Vince’s. Dwight’s offensive performance is more important than Vince’s. When those guys are active scoring threats, it shakes up the opposing team’s whole scheme. When Vince is a scoring threat, it gets us points, but it doesn’t do much beyond getting us points.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Agreed.
Unless Carter is attracting a double-team, he isn’t affecting the opposing defense. And most of Carter’s offense comes off isolation plays in which the defense plays him straight up.
by gift of the magi on May 27, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A good game from Vince is coming.
Vince told the team that he owed them one, well after game 5 he owes us two. I’m hoping the series goes to 7 so he can pay us back.
I really dont think Carter should be playing many more minutes in this series. Not only is he having a bad series, he’s obviously down on himself and if the Magic are going to win the series they need positive thoughts. It’s like a black cloud sits on top of the Magic when that guy is out there. Anyways, that doesn’t mean he can’t resume having normal minutes come the Finals. Its not his series but he’s not a bad player so he just needs a little reduction in his minutes.
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i mean he still has a lot to bring to the team…i just think this series has become a pressure-cooker and the guy doesn’t have mindset the rest of his teammates have. its like they all jumped on the “we believe in the impossible” train and vince got left at the station cause he was buying a magazine or something.
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What?
We sit Vince so Paul Pierce can lock some other guy down?
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
you seriously calling Paul Pierce some shut down defender?
even if he does…we just constantly cycle JJ, Barnes, MP…he’s not going to lock all three of those guys down…
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On Vince, he has been.
I do believe Pierce is a better defender against Vince than his overall talent would suggest; he’s been driven by trying to prove himself better than Vince since the ’98 draft.
But take that away, and you still have a situation where JJ, Pietrus and Barnes are much more limited offensive players than Vince is. I’d say Vince does at least as much for the offense working only as a decoy, forcing Pierce (or whoever) to stay on him, as at least 2 of those 3 guys do as scorers. (JJ is close… he’s played well this series.)
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
the more time goes by in this series, the less of a threat VC becomes. i dont really buy into this whole “he’ll eventually have a breakout game” talk…the facts right now are we don’t have time to experiment with him hoping he breaks out. every game is an elimination game…you need strong minds not skills on paper. he’s down on himself right now, pierce is in his head, and the other guys are effective. those are the soliders we need to take into battle. that doesn’t mean he’s on the bench for the rest of the post season. we can play him again in the Finalscause we’ll have the luxury to wait for a breakout game from him again.
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We don't have time to "experiment" with Vince?
I’d say we don’t have time to “experiment” with a different rotation. Putting Vince out there is what we always do. Putting Vince out there and not having him carry the scoring load is a thing we’ve done a lot. Not putting Vince out there is what throws everything out of whack.
The Magic's total second-round margin of victory: 101 points.
The Hawks' highest second-round game score: 98 points.
Vince has to play like his life depends on each possession
And attack the basket. He’s good at converting close and-1s. Also, he has to get the swagger back. It’s really, really simple in reality.
All my life watching Vince I thought (and still think) that the only defender that can stop him, realistically (in my opinion at least) in this league, the ONLY defender, is himself. I have never ever seen Vince having a problem with ANY defender ever in this league. Never remembered myself saying “man, this guy is shutting Vince down”. Never.
So again, it all falls down to him. But frankly, I’m not sure if he’s tough enough mentally to realize it and if he really cares about it. To me, he’s like “whatever” and just saying the right cliches for the press to dig into, saying the right things.
What am I missing
VC has played terrible, I hope his scoring improves, but I will not count on it.
The guy is wildly inconsistent.
So glad JJ is balling..
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A few ways of getting VC on the attack
1) Pick and rolls. But I don’t particularly like the 3 pt high pick and roll. I’d like Vince to catch the ball inside the arc, say 15-18 feet away from the rim, and then pick and roll with either Gortat/Howard or pick and pop with Rashard. That will get Gortat/Howard good offensive flow (since they’re not in a post-up position, that the Celtics defend well), get Rashard some shots, or get Vince driving for a possible basket, free throws or and1s.
2) The 1-2 pick and roll with Vince and Jameer. We haven’t seen it since the Hawks series if I’m not mistaken. Vince can take on Rondo in the post and hopefully draw a foul on him as well.
3) Speaking of the post – play him in the post against Ray Allen. If he gets deep the Celtisc frontline will try to collapse and this means open space for Howard. Plus he will put Howard in a good position for an offensive rebound.
4) Design time-out plays for him. That is a mental boost because if he sees the coach still trusts him with plays, he’ll feel more obliged to deliver, especially after a time-out. You have to make him get mentally into it.
5) Other players (Jameer) should talk with him and make him attack. Make him go.

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