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Would You Prefer that the Orlando Magic's Season End Tonight?

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Would you rather the Boston Celtics sweep the Orlando Magic out of the Eastern Conference Finals tonight, or would you prefer to see Orlando live to die another day? Forgive me for the morbid topic, but I believe it merits discussion, with Game 4 slated for 8:30 this evening.

A Magic win brings the series back to Orlando for Game 5, and likely the last game of hoops ever played at Amway Arena. And while it's nice to think that a loud Magic crowd would be there to close the building out in style, recent history suggests that outcome is less likely. The last time Orlando played a Game 5 at home, in the 2009 NBA Finals, L.A. Lakers fans filled most of the building. Given the high concentration of transplanted Bostonians in the Orlando area, and it's easy to imagine a Game 5 in Orlando playing out similarly to the last game of last season's Finals. One can make a case for Amway Arena deserving better than that. In a way, isn't that ending worse than the alternative, with the lasting memory of that building being Vince Carter's missed free throws and J.J. Redick's failure to call timeout?

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Would You Prefer that the Orlando Magic's Season End Tonight?
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Ben, you should rephrase your question to

“Would the Magic Players Prefer that the Orlando Magic’s Season End Tonight?”

Because they sure don’t look like a team looking forward to pushing the Boston Celtics to 4 more games only to make it to yet another basketball series. These guys look like they WANT the offseason to be here. Like they WANT Stan Van to just stop talking to them. Like they WANT to be on the TNT pre game “Gone Fishin” skit.

They seem disinterested, bored, tired of Stan, whatever it is it doesn’t look good.

by gatorboi352 on May 24, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like for the season to continue...

Although maybe a sweep will fire… whatever it is left to be set on fire in the Magic soul and make them be more serious in their approach for the next season.

by Raptorel on May 24, 2010 8:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Put them out of their misery tonight

Love the team, but its clear nobody wants this embarrassing series to continue.

While it would be nice to have one more game at the O-Rena, as you said the place will probably have a fair amount Boston fans (just like Laker fans last year or Bulls fans when we got swept in 96) and the the other Magic fans will probably be too depressed to cheer.

Besides maybe the guys will remember @celticchants and use it fuel them in the offseason (I guess? Like it matters…)

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on May 24, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Misery???

 Speak for yourself, there are ALOT us who actually enjoy watching OUR team play, if you are not one of them, Find another team to root for!! fairweather fans like you will have nroblem jumping on someone elses’ bandwagon. GO MAGIC!!!!!!!!!

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol@ you saying you enjoy whats going on

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on May 24, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

However, as much as it hurts to say, VC missing those free thows really is the fitting way to close down the gym. Onto the next gym, where better fortune and championships await.

by TragicMatt on May 24, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do fans really want the season to end while there is still a chance of advancing?

We’re still at the “one game at a time” stage here. Win on the road. Move to game 5. Just ‘cause it looks like the team’s quit doesn’t mean the fans ought to.

And how is closing the building by losing the series in game 5 that much worse emotionally than closing the building after losing games 1 and 2 and then getting swept out of the series?

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on May 24, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

When the team quit trying hard on Saturday night, I quit bothering getting worked up about the game.

If they’re not gonna put forth any effort why should I or any fans? If they would’ve played hard the whole game, regardless of the outcome, it would be a different story. People respect hard work.

There’s a reason why the heart and hustle team is one of the most beloved magic teams by people in Orlando, even if it was almost 10 years ago.

Never trust a fart

by AB's triple double on May 24, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

WIN

Winning is contagious. This is the same thing as in College Football and bowl games. You want to go out strong. Even if we lose in 5 or 6, if we go down showing even a tiny glimpse of fight, then it will be an improvement over the last 3 games. Much better to go into an off-season with some confidence rather than completely and utterly defeated.

Read www.magicbasketballonline.com ! Follow @magicbasketball !

by magicbasketballonline on May 24, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Also, you should NEVER root for your team to lose. Ever. (Except in a lottery sweepstakes… haha)

Read www.magicbasketballonline.com ! Follow @magicbasketball !

by magicbasketballonline on May 24, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

HELL NO

Give up? Hell No! I don’t care where it’s played.

by far-way on May 24, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

My team didn't seem to care Saturday night

Why should I care tonight? Let’s just get this over with

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on May 24, 2010 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

You know better than that, bud.

We were with Magic when players didn’t care before (Tmac). This time it is different, Boston is clearly better squad atm, and that is depressing for you as a contender.

Let’s not abandon them now, as we never will.

Go Magic!

Stay classy.

by Dzogi on May 24, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe I’m being harsh, but they rolled over Saturday night. Regardless of how much I love this group of players, it may be best this thing ends tonight. Season is over regardless.

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on May 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

your statement in itself is an indictment of the “typical MAGIC fan”. “Johnny on the spot” when the TEAM is winning,out the side door when they take a couple of losses". I say “play on MAGIC”, Just because no Team that went down 0-3 in a series has come back to win that series in the pass, doesn’t mean that OUR TEAM can’t or won’t be the first, “there is a first time for everything”……..GO MAGIC!!!!!!!!!!!

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, sorry MB, but...

…I know magic fanatic is a truly magic fan, he’s a veteran here.
Not to say you or anyone else are not, it’s simply that I know him and it’s just out of the frustratin.
he still has a point, and they did roll over.

Stay classy.

by Dzogi on May 24, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you know about “rollin over”? were you ever an athlete? competitive in anything? and xplain why you would think that because they lost BIG, they “rolled over” Boston was playing awesome team defense, we were turning the ball over, taking horrible shots (alot of iso) and early shot clock, off balance,long jumpers,(which when you miss, provides easy fastbreak offense for the opposing team)but is NOT and indicator that your TEAM has, as you call it “Rolled over” . that stmt is LUDICROUS, at best. MB

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep! “obvious” to the UNTRAINED Eye!!!!Don’t act as if you are a REAL MAGIC fan, I sense that you aren’t , you just like hearing yourself TYPE…Lol

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That means WHAT?? not a GD thing!! I don’t what he founded, and as for the Moron comment, “It would lower my standards to spar verbally with someone obviously ill-eqipped to spar with me” when discussing an issue, and namecalling ensues, one side has run out valid or meanful points, are is just too ignorant to convey their point otherwise.(Period) GO MAGIC!!!!!

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL...ur acting like a girl

Call it what you want to!!! Squid, U got my point right? yeah I know. Nothing personal(even though, calling me a MORON was a low blow) . REGROUP and we’ll talk tomorrow after a MAGIC Victory tonite…PEACE. GO MAGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

aaaaaaaaand now you're a douche

stop wanking all over this thread, thanks

I'm a girl.

by TheGiantSquid on May 24, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Squid, I hate to quibble about grammar, but . . .

You have 4 too many “a’s” in “aaaaand.”

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on May 24, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, Europe has hardened you

Normally you are quite receptive when somebody nitpicks everything you say.

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on May 24, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO Tell him!

I'm a girl too.

Haters gonna hate.

by GoMagicGo on May 24, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, tell that wanker what's up!

No one messes with the Squid!!!

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on May 24, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

She is a girl, you fool lol

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on May 24, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, not fool, moron was just fine.

Time to get that finger bling-bling
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.

by 44792212 on May 24, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait...are you serious?

Please tell me that the quote in there is all for fun; I just can’t fathom the irony in it otherwise.

They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.

I'm a guy.

by Sir Lawrence J on May 24, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, I’ve made a career in sports media relations. I once had to make an 0-16 women’s tennis team (they never won more than 2 sets in a match) sound “respectable.” I’ve seen the difference between rolling over and getting outclassed. Orlando rolled over.

To be frank, guys who can come up huge when they are down 0-3 are few and far between. It has nothing to do with being competitive, it’s a different drive that most don’t have.

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on May 24, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, and as a fan of this team I’ve been taught to roll over in times like these. We had to move out of the way of the Jordan Era, had to sit back and watch Shaq create a Dynasty on the other side of the country, Sat and watched a hockey GM trade the league’s best scorer for the Steve Francis poo-poo platter, etc.

I love Orlando, but the franchise has taught me to have low expectations.

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on May 24, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that has WHAT to do with WHAT????New GM, New Hd Coach, New players!! why are you STILL stuck in the pass? I’m sure you know why! but me? I’m smh…Lol. I LOVE the ORLANDO MAGIC and thru thick and thin WE should SUPPORT Them.(Period) GO MAGIC!!!!!!!

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The last thing any Magic fan should want is to be swept.

They’re better than that. Everyone in Boston is going to be bringing their brooms. For the next 12 months, we won’t hear the end of it.

The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.

by ben_gleicher on May 24, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

The way this season is ending

and at what point the season is ending at (i.e. NOT the Finals) get it over with tonight, and get Vince, Rashard, Ryan Anderson, and J-Will out of town for a top tier player ala Wade or Bosh.

We need either someone like who Vince was supposed to be, or someone to TRULEY compliment Dwight down low. The stretch 4, while good enough to beat 26 or 27 teams in this leauge on any given night, isn’t the kind of system needed to beat the 3 or 4 teams that matter, at the time it matters most.

Game 3 was like nothing I’ve ever seen as a Magic fan. I saw more hustle in some of the regular season games of the 2003-04 season. I turned it off with 8 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter, tuning in later for all the “high” lights.

The two players we needed the most for this series, VC and Lewis, just do not have that burning passion to win at all costs. This series is truley showing that.

by gatorboi352 on May 24, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

And having said all that, I am looking forward to Game 4 tonight in the weirdest, most twisted way. Nothing malicious, nothing to want to see the team do a repeat of Game 3. It’s like it’s soooooo out of our hands I am anxious to see how it honestly goes, not even as a fan of the Magic.

by gatorboi352 on May 24, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

how can the "yes" fans

call out the players for their lack of heart when you guys want them to get swept? see, it’s not that easy to stay motivated, is it? Us fans watching our team getting murdered is tough, but think of the players, who had to be there missing shots becasue of the good D, while the other team making all the right moves and you can’t stop them, getting repeatedly beat to the basket by Rondo, having KG’s hand in your face everytime you try to shoot a 3, staying close to pierce only to get hit by his head and get called for a foul, avoiding getting bumped by his head and he pulls up and makes the jumper, leaving wallace to help D and desperately got back but he still made that 3, not being able to go anywhere inside becuase perk’s generally inmovable, feeling generally inadequate. and after the game having to get grilled by the fans who actually want them to lose. In a way, the players are doing exactly what you wanted in spades, what more do you want?

by pcnyc on May 24, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Excellent post. Rec'd.

The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.

by ben_gleicher on May 24, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's win.

Sure, the series is almost assuredly over, but why not want your team to succeed, if (probably) only for tonight?

by gift of the magi on May 24, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Give me one more

I have to see this team give a monumental, last stand type of effort tonight, win or lose. Would prefer a win, but even if they lost by 3 pts and absolutely killed it, that gives me a lot of hope going into next season. Need to erase game 3 from memory.

by benogrady on May 24, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I want to see at least four more games at Amway this year

And 5 or 6 more if necessary.

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on May 24, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I want the Magic to win, for sure.

As unlikely as it seems at this point, I want to see it. Getting swept sucks.

by Tim333 on May 24, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Im shocked

I went to vote in this poll expecting to see maybe 1 or 2 votes for “end it now”. I cannot believe what I saw after I voted and learned that wanting to see the Magic WIN was going to be in the minority! That is disgusting. I don’t know how you can call yourself a fan of ANY team and want to see them lose in the playoffs. That is an utter JOKE. It actually makes me a little bit angry to be associated with those of you who voted for the season to end. Please kindly leave following our team and join the Lakers band wagon, because obviously you don’t TRULY care about this team. No wonder this team has no heart their OWN FANS don’t even believe in them! Fan- short for fanatic, means this: a person motivated by irrational enthusiasm (as for a cause); “A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject”—Winston Churchill

  1. marked by excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to a cause or idea

It seems pretty obvious that those of you who voted that you would rather see the Magic lose, I pity you, you are NOT fans of this team, and it boils my blood as much to see that as it did to watch the way this team played in game 3. If a miracle does happen and the Magic come back to win this game, I hope each and every one of you that voted to see the Magic lose tonight do not try and get a Finals ticket. You actually shouldn’t be allowed to see the team play ever again. It is one thing if you think they might lose, are 100% positive in your mind that they are going to lose this series, but for you to actually WANT them to lose, there is something wrong with that.

by JeffShann3 on May 24, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

LOVED ur post JeffShann3, You hit the nail directly, on the top of the head….Most of those “fans” are what you call “Bandwagon fans”, or fairweather fans", they are only there when the team wins, as soon as there is any sway in the ship, "there they goooo…jumping off, abandoning ship, We TRUE fans would stay and suffer with our team, knowing that a better days are coming!( that makes the victories even Sweeter!…Gotta get pass the crybaby, my team isn’t trying hard enuff crap, I was a athlete when I was younger, and I played on winning TEAMS, and as fans you think the losing HURTS , man ! you should see how it feels when you are actually on the losing team..it hurts alot more than the pain the casual observer feels, and by the way, i have a question for you “fans” that want the season to be over, Do you really believe that OUR TEAM isn’t TRYING or actaully “gave up”? are you serious? these guys want to WIN for themselves and for Orlandoans alike…they won 59 gms this regular season, and 8 gms in the first two rounds of the playoffs, fans were cheering, our guys could do NO wrong, they lose 3 gms (be it , very important games) in a row and you clowns are ready to jump ship? thats not right! I’m here standing, and waiting for the REAL FANS to : "Stand and Cheer, your ORLANDO MAGIC!!!!! Thats Whats really being a “FAN”(atic) is all about…PEACE-MB

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Even if Magic did "roll over"

Sometimes its in human nature to give up when times get hard and how we lost game 2 would be enough to cast a little doubt in the players. Especially losing both home games but I would never want them to lose just to end the season or our misery as long as hope of continuing to play still exist.

Me Against The World And I'm Winning

by Andeezy on May 24, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

THANK YOU Deezy!!! Well said. GO MAGIC

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a depressing thread.

Fans voting for the sweep should be ashamed of themselves, almost as ashamed as the Magic players if they come out with the same attitude as Game 3.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 24, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.

by ben_gleicher on May 24, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude! I say again, "sometimes, the opposing TEAM has something to do with a TEAMS bad performance!!! Our guys WILL WIN 2nite.(PERIOD)

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not over until the clock reads 0:00

I know it’s cliche, but as a hockey fan, I’ve already seen a team come back from a 3-0 deficit in games to win a series this year. Yeah, it’s rare, but no series is over until the last game ends.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on May 24, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Good luck to your Flyers tonight in Game 5

They need to close out the Canadiens; Montreal was in this same position against Washington, and won 3 games in a row to advance.

The Flyers are a tough team with a goalie who’s playing out of his mind, and I’m looking forward to a great Stanley Cup Finals between the Blackhawks and Flyers (with the Blackhawks winning, of course).

Orlando Magic... 2010 Eastern Conference Finalist

Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 NHL Western Conference Champions... Go Hawks... bring the Stanley Cup home!

by Mike from Illinois on May 24, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if its as easy as putting someone else on Rondo?

Not like the way the Cavs tried it, obviously, making their best and really only option to win anything ever focus on Rondo, but maybe throw someone else on him on the defensive end?

by gatorboi352 on May 24, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Rondo's not going off offensively

He’s distributing well, but that’s more a function of the other players leaving shooters open.

We need to stop Pierce, not Rondo. Pierce is getting anything he wants whenever he wants.

by eltharion_doa on May 24, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if Boston been kickin' Magic around

I don’t believe one second that this Magic team deserves a sweep. I really hope to see them fight tonight.

Time to get that finger bling-bling
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.

by 44792212 on May 24, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Only one team has ever come back against Boston down 2-3 and won the series

Lets make it only one team has ever come back against Boston down 0-3 and won the series.

"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."; Carlos Boozer

I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll

The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.

by NC Magic Fan on May 24, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

This is ridiculous.

I don’t understand how you people could not want the Magic to win. That is the dumbest thing I’ve maybe ever heard.

What we all should be saying is “Let’s be the first team in history to win a series after being down 0-3!”

But considering the attitude on here with weakling fans, it’s hard to imagine the players being any different.

I think this is pathetic. Whoever doesn’t want us to win should question their fanhood.

by jimbrophoto on May 24, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Trolls might be voting for the sweep, but some Magic fans are voting for it too.

To those fans voting for the sweep, I’m going to paraphrase some player from another team:

I think you guys got spoiled by the Magic’s play prior to the Boston series.

This Magic team shouldn’t get swept. I hope they are able to show some pride tonight.

Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.

by North of the South on May 24, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm a Bulls fan

and I voted for Orlando to win game 4.

Shocked to see how the vote has turned out.

by BAB-Bass on May 24, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will fight

until the very end. I’m not a fair weather fan nor a “yes” fan. This team deserves better than that. I’m here because I truly believe somewhere on this team, there is someone who is tired of being trucked, ambushed by the media, and made to feel like an overpaid bum. I want to see something truly special from these guys cause it’s in them to do it. I know it’s unlikely we win the series but this is the time to shine. Everyone already thinks you suck and are a bunch of losers, prove them wrong! Lets get this thing back to Boston in Game 6 and give the celtics a scare, lets make it a 7 game series with the last one being in Anway! Lets do something, pull out all of the stops, you have nothing to lose. Play loose and free, understand that in sport, anything can happen. Hell, put Rashard on Paul Peirce, Marcin on perk, and Dwight on KG, lets see what happens! The fans deserve more, and now is the time to give it to them. Lets win one in Boston and then …..See what happens.

by LastActionZero on May 24, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Win or Lose

I just want to see the effort. A repeat effort of game 3 to end the season is a slap in the face to the ownership, management, coaching staff, and obviously the fans. Orlando is down 3-0, if anything just make sure they earn everything they get and see what happens.

by shakenbake11 on May 24, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Kill the dog

and end everyone’s misery. Yes, I would like for them to win. But deep down, the effort they have shown has given me no hope for a game 7, let alone a series win.

Win Game 3. Go Magic.

by L Magico on May 24, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

REC'D THIS!!!!

"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America

by Bonafidebrother on May 24, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Death to the fair weather fans

Bandwagoners shall burn to the stakes

Me Against The World And I'm Winning

by Andeezy on May 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Only kidding

but they can all suffer with the Clevelanders forever

Me Against The World And I'm Winning

by Andeezy on May 24, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec’d

"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.

by KingJafi on May 24, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted "NO"

But I would’ve voted YES if STV loses his job because of it. I’m sorry but the team was built to win. Why have Bass and Gortat riding pine? It’s time for new coach leadership.

by REP96st on May 24, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

He's not a good fit..

because svg lineup isnt a good fit for the team. Does anyone here think Lewis is the man for the PF spot?? Heck no! Our lineup is so unconventional, it’s destroying us!

Bass is not a good fit because of svg. He needs to go so we can have a TRUE PF position filled properly so it won’t kill us like it is now. Lewis at the SF position would kill the defense! Lewis at the PF position is killing US!

by REP96st on May 24, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hilarious you posted this seconds before I just dropepd my comment below…

Great minds!

by gatorboi352 on May 24, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Bass is on the bench because he's not a good fit for this team"

Refuse to believe this. Why then did Otis spend $18 Mill on the guy over 4 years mere weeks after Rashard got straight pwned against the Lakers in the Finals last year? To piss off Mark Cuban? Because Bass “wasn’t a good fit”?

I point to Stan Van Gundy’s pride in his system coupled with his players lack of tolerance for his coaching style for reasons we collapsed the way we did this year.

by gatorboi352 on May 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank You!

Bass Can move. Bass can shoot mid-range. Bass can drive. Is he one of the best on the team?? -I’m not saying that. I’m saying he can help Howard down-low and space the court at the same time! He’s also a big body with muscle.. Big Baby would have problems!

Again, blame svg. And blame the players.. They all want to start.

by REP96st on May 24, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No! to stockpile bodies for the proverbial “Summer Free agent sign and trade” season…imo

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, Seriously

Can you predict the future?

I don't have a Sig!

by 4QB on May 24, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I respect your opinion...

And believe that you are a very intelligent guy. But I must beg to differ about Bass not being a good fit for this team and Rashard being the best fit for the PF position, as far as this series is concerned. Being swept in the playoffs by an inferior team means there has to be consequences, someone has to pay, and to me that someone is SVG. He has made little to no adjustments thus far in the series, and it shows. Why not bench Rashard and start Anderson then bring in bass as back up power forward? Mean while put Rashard to guard PP for spot times and barnes the rest of the way? Then keep pietrus and JJ on Allen. Rashard at power forward has killed us, and Bass can hang with whoever they throw out there. What do we have to lose at this point? But SVG is too stubborn and things will stay the same, and he should lose his job as a result. Benching rashard should boil his blood, 18 million a year to sit there and think about his 15 or so points in 3 games….come on. I love the Magic, I really do, but as much as I love this team I hate SVG. He is being tuned out, because what he stubbornly preaches on the floor is NOT working. He is not setting his players up to make easy buckets and yet expects them to play hard defense. Like I said, someone has to pay….

by Dome of the Rock on May 24, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orlando is the inferior team in this series, for one thing.

You’re letting Lewis’ poor series cloud his overall strong play. When he’s on, he’s the best PF on the team, and it’s not close. Would Anderson, in his first playoffs, contribute more than an ill/struggling Lewis? No. Same for Bass, though he obviously has more experience than Anderson.

SVG has goofed a bit in this series, but to act like the 3-0 (now 3-1 deficit) is solely his fault is irresponsible and misguided.

by Evan Dunlap on May 26, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im not a huge Bass fan

even though I always question the decision to not play him. If we have guys that are struggling why not try someone else. Why are we saying that its acceptible to tolerate 5 ppg from someone playing lots of minutes especially when they are not contributing much of anthing else. Despite what everyone is saying Bass can have good games but we will nevr know until he gets the playing time. Now would have been the perfect time with Rashard putting up next to nothing.

Me Against The World And I'm Winning

by Andeezy on May 24, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

SVG has never been a coach to just throw a guy out there and see if he makes a difference. He’s treating Bass just like he did with Ariza, Cook, and for a small time Gortat. SVG is one of the most anal coaches when it comes to changing rotation.

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on May 24, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The season is not over until the Magic loses again

Everyone including myself has little reason to keep hope alive but the fact is unless we lose again the season will continue. For anyone to wish that the season ends tonite means that they are not a true fan. That beating in Game 3 along with all the media criticism has done nothing more than to motivate me to wish that we could turn things around tonite and be the first to overcome such extreme odds and I hope that is also the mentality of the actual players. We have the talent to achieve this but they will have to play to their full potential and play like they need to win.

Me Against The World And I'm Winning

by Andeezy on May 24, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Condolences Magic fans.....

and I mean that in a sincere way. It’s tough to watch your team get “handled” and know that nothing is gonna change the direction of the series. Boston is winning the match-ups and the game and making it look easy. It’s hard to accept and when you get past the denial you just accept it and start over again……next year.

It sucks but Boston really did “get healthy” and prove they are the best team in the East.

As a Cavs fan, I feel your pain and if it makes it any easier, at least you are not having to deal with the fact that your best player may be leaving this summer.

I'm Polish...what's your excuse?

by Juannieboy on May 24, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn, thats perspective.

If it means anything, I hope he stays in Cleveland.

Win Game 3. Go Magic.

by L Magico on May 24, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, no!

He’s gonna join Bosh, Rose and Noah in Chicago! :D

by BAB-Bass on May 24, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

SEE??

“Boston is winning the match-ups”

It’s that simple.

That’s why we lost the finals last year, and why we’re getting OWNED this year!

We have the players, why can’t we win?

Simple… MATCH-UPS.

by REP96st on May 24, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

SVG has to go...

I’ll preach this even if the people on this thread threaten to crucify me. He is not a good coach for this team. I’m ready to fly to Milwaukee to beg Scott Skiles to come coach for us.

by Dome of the Rock on May 24, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Van Gundy is fine in 3 years we have seen the most success this team has ever seen since Shaq was here because of him...

Who fires him now? The team has to get tougher

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on May 24, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's most depressing is

that this team was built for the present. If we can’t get to the Finals now what does it say for the makeup of the team. Rashard and Vince aren’t going to get better. Jameer’s about as good as he’ll ever be. Dwight will improve, but at this point he’ll probably just improve upon his current game. He’s never going to be a dominant scoring threat night after night. We could package pieces together for another quality player but that’ll take away from our depth, which was one of our biggest advantages this year.

I just don’t know where the team goes from here. Will we be contenders every year? Sure, but I don’t think we’ll ever get farther than the Mavericks did this past decade. God, this sucks. Not a fun time to be a Magic fan.

I voted yes because this series has been too emotionally draining for me. I know it’s going to end bad, so part of me would like it to end before I get a chance to muster up a little hope. Of course, come 8:30 I’ll be cheering for my team. Unfortunately there is a difference between what I want and what’s probably good for me. I hope that makes some sense.

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on May 24, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Geez dude

World isn’t over. Who knows, maybe this will galvanise them for next season.

by eltharion_doa on May 24, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hellllllll NO!

Let’s break Pierce’s broom over his head tonight! Then we get to go home and win a game! And just like that it’s a series again! We steal one in game 6 then its do or die on our homecourt!

" Ball Movement Ball Movement! Ball Movement! Assists! Assists! Dwight getting blocks! Getting out and Running! Defense! Defense!" That’s what our guys should be thinking over and over again in their heads!

by jonathan.rivera84 on May 24, 2010 3:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The Magic(?)

Coach Browne showed Doc how to beat the Magic but the Bobcats didn’t have the necessary talent. Doc took that knowledge and out coached Van Gundy. First game, send players in just to foul Howard. Got in his head and Van Gundy did nothing except let them beat on him. Put his $ss on the bench until he collects himself. Van Gundy has 18 fouls (Bass, Anderson and AJ) setting on the bench to take care of Pierce, Rondo and KG. Did you notice that Pierce did not come down the pike after the flagrant foul by Howard. He started shooting outside (damn it he made them too). How many points has Rondo got coming down the middle? If he hit the floor every time, that would stop that crap. Make them earn their point from 15 feet away. Van Gundy does not play that way but Doc does. So let Boston beat the crap out of Howards arms and keep your players on the bench. Bass does not match up well is a bunch of crap. We have match up and got our butt kicked. Tell me that it would be worse if Bass was in the game. Bottom line the Magic has just got out coached. One final question with 3.7 seconds on the clock and Magic needs a three to tie, what hell was Howard doing on the court? I’ll review the film and make corrections next game. Hell no. Don’t quit. The fat lady has not sung yet.

by far-way on May 24, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

For resiliency purposes...

…I’d just like to see the Magic not roll over tonight. I really don’t want to hold the record of first team to sweep first two rounds and then get swept in the third round.

"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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by KingJafi on May 24, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

This Entry By BQR

is more embarrassing than the comments made by certain fans after Game 3

by CaneGrad05 on May 24, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

What's embarrassing is having people like you on this blog.

If you don’t like the writing or comments, then please, feel free to leave.

I'm a girl too.

Haters gonna hate.

by GoMagicGo on May 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't agree with CaneGrad but

he (I assume it’s a he) has a right to state his opinion.

You equally have to right to state your opinion but you shouldn’t tell him to leave. Everyone should be welcomed here. Let’s have an open debate and discussion.

by LibNat on May 24, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, a “MAGIC HATER”, perpetrating like a MAGIC Fan…strate sukker!!! nah, not really, just a hater.

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it's embarrassing..

That I would never want my team to lose? Or that I would rather them win tonight and lose on Wednesday than lose tonight? It’s a 7 game series— not a 5 game series. It’s not 1997 anymore. It’s not first one to 3. I don’t care that a team has never recovered from being down 3-0. I don’t care that the Celtics are 32-0 after being up 2-0 in a playoff series. They were 32-0 last year being up 3-2 before we won 4-3.

How anyone would not find the insinuation of wanting your team to lose as being embarrassing, then by all means, keep posing as how good a fan you are on this blog. Meanwhile, I’ll be yelling at the TV hoping we pull out the miracle comeback.

by CaneGrad05 on May 24, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have to agree with CaneGrad on this one.

"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.

by KingJafi on May 24, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brandon Bass

I’m glad to see a few disagreeing with Ben. How can you reasonably say Bass doesn’t fit considering the way Stan has used him this season?

Actually, I thought the Magic hit a nice stride after the allstar break when Bass took Anderson’s place in the rotation.

The bottom line is this, whether it’s Bass, or another PF, it’s probably time to change our frontcourt. We just can’t deal with the size and strength of teams like the Celtics and Lakers. And while the Celtics window is closing, the Lakers is wide open for years to come.

And honestly, after game 3’s beatdown, and an 0-3 hole, I think Stan should insert Bass into the starting lineup tonight. It can’t hurt anything. The guy is fuming to get off the bench. His energy could make things happen. His size would take some of the beating off of Dwight. His aggressive post play would leave Dwight as a clean up guy. And maybe the most important part; with Bass at PF, Lewis could move to SF, be put on the block, and possibly get himself going. Because as it stands after 3 games, Lewis has been useless, and is lucky he hasn’t already been benched.

My point: I think there are a lot of untapped benefits to playing Bass; and while I like Stan, he is the only one to blame in this regards.

by OVERWADED on May 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I stopped mentioning Bass

because everyone was ripping me about Bass. I just think, the last game, if your down 0-2 you gotta try everything to hopefully get something that works.

I do think Lewis is a good fit for this team. The first 2 rounds he was ballin. I just wish SVG would try some different lineups.

Win Game 3. Go Magic.

by L Magico on May 24, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't change the coach's nature

SVG is just not that kind of coach, it is what it is

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on May 24, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

@LMagico

My point exactly. The old saying is that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Its been 3 games Lewis has scored single digits each time. The Gortat expiriment at PF hasnt turned the tides so try Bass we aint saying to make him the starter just playing him for 5 minutes. Everyone in the league is capable of producing more than me or Ben Q Rock or Stan Van Gundy so NO ONE can say for sure that Bass would not help the team. The critics and media are always wrong most of the times.

Me Against The World And I'm Winning

by Andeezy on May 24, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lotta people online outside of this place want him to play more and some of the analysts have stated we should give him some burn

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on May 24, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bass played better than Carter and Gortat combined

his numbers were not that great but his hands were everywhere and managed to affect a few shots and even got a block which i dont think counted by the score keepers but the replay clearly showed it. In a game decided by 4 points I think his contribution was greatly needed despite what the +/- showed.

Me Against The World And I'm Winning

by Andeezy on May 25, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

why not?

I’ll tell you why not….SVG is too stubborn, thats why. Rashard Lewis was asked about his play in the first 2 games and he responded by saying he thought he played well. If a player has no sense of consequence he is going to play how he wants to, this is after all the NBA. Rashard knows SVG won’t bench him, come hell or high water. So then why bother to play well? BB would get in and provide toughness and a mid range jumper, both of which rashard either lacks or refuses to do all together. Even tho i am fairly new to this blog, I have been a Magic fan since I was a 8 and have been advocating the firing of SVG since the Detroit series in 08. You want a ring Magic fans? FIRE SVG!!!

by Dome of the Rock on May 24, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lewis's skills and size aren't the issue.

His APATHY is. He is fully capable, just doesn’t have the will that a superstar and a champion has to have.

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by magicbasketballonline on May 24, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

AND....

He’s playing the wrong position.

Stan, start him at SF so he can kill.

by REP96st on May 24, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can't play SF anymore. He cannot defend the position. If you thought Pierce was having a good series before, just imagine what'd happen if Lewis tried covering him.

Lewis is a power forward. He has converted. He is no longer a small forward, except for extremely rare stretches. Earlier this season, my numbers showed he had played just 3% of his minutes at the 3. That figure is only going to decline with age.

by Evan Dunlap on May 26, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Match-ups are the main thing and it’s mostly because the “Big 3” are now the second, third & fourth best players on Boston.

Transition defense. Good defensive teams make you earn it in a half-court setting and Boston’s figured out how to shutdown both Dwight & Jameer from running the offense. They’re eating up 7-12 secs to get the entry pass into Dwight and Rondo’s length + quickness is killing Jameer’s penetration.

On the other end the Magic were ranked amoung the best defensive teams and as Ben & Eddy have pointed out much of that is credited to Dwight alone. Boston’s got Dwight contesting long jumpers so it’s exposing all of the mistakes he normally erases like Rondo getting a rebound over RA because Jameer didn’t put a body on Rondo. It’s not easy to keep a body on Rondo so when Dwight’s in position for the board it makes Rondo irrelevant. Rondo’s been good at finding the cutter when he gets into the paint which also takes Dwight out of the play. Boston is bringing a late double on Dwight and that’s basically it while Orlando is doubling KG, Pierce, Rondo and having to collapse when Allen gets free on the perimeter.

"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"

by Warlando on May 24, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish I could be like some of the people here

I feel like if you aren’t hanging your head at this point you are…
A) young
B) a fan who hasn’t been around long enough to experience the pain over the years
C) not completely invested emotionally
D) (and probaby the right answer) just an all around more optimistic person than I am.

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on May 24, 2010 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll go with D.

Someone has to come back from 0-3….why not a team with Magic!

by jackhammerslam on May 24, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Logically...

It’s easy to get caught up in the daunting task. But personally, I went to the first Magic game way back when I was 6 years old. Three years ago, I just wanted to make the playoffs so that two years ago, we could just win a playoff series so that last year we could make a run at a title, and that no matter what- this was to be our year.

I suppose I am young (27 still qualify these days?) and been way too emotionally invested and experienced the pain. I consider myself optimistic, although I know it’s not likely for us to pull the miracle. That being said..

I’m just not ready to give up watching this team play basketball. For the past 6 months, for the most part, I have really enjoyed watching us compete and play like potential champions. I don’t want my memory of this team to be “we were embarrassed in 4 games and failed to even compete in the last two.”

So in that regards, whatever happens Wednesday, go win Game 4 and show some pride and respect for the game and the fans.

by CaneGrad05 on May 24, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have my Game 5 ticket for Wednesday, and I'm ready for my flight to Orlando tomorrow

Go Magic… don’t make me postpone my trip!

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by Mike from Illinois on May 24, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know what's worse

Seeing people actually say they don’t want the Magic to win a game or listening to the elaborate hullabaloo from the fans who think it’s feasible that we can land Bosh and Wade.

They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.

I'm a guy.

by Sir Lawrence J on May 24, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Better try the veteran's minimum

I bet a lot of people forget about the trade exception we have, by the way.

by Raptorel on May 24, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seriously have seen a guy who thinks it's legit that we could get Bosh and Wade...

in essence straight up for Vince and Rashard. Somehow he fit Flip Murray into the equation too. The unfiltered lack of logic kills me.

They call me Curmudgeon McMiserly.

I'm a guy.

by Sir Lawrence J on May 24, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Lol

Me Against The World And I'm Winning

by Andeezy on May 24, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What? Adding Flip Murray to the mix is what brought it over the top?

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on May 24, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

``You can’t win a series unless you win the first game. You win one game. That’s our goal, to win one game,’’ Carter said with conviction. ``It’s now or never. This is a very painful position to be in, being that this team is very capable. But somebody has to believe, and I’m not going to quit on this team. I don’t expect anybody else in this organization or on this team who steps on the floor to do the same.’’

Really funny… thought I might share it with you guys. I don’t expect anybody else to fight for this team either.

by Raptorel on May 24, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

 If you are Raptor fan, you have NO business commenting on real NBA basketball, so sit back and get your arse ready for the Draft lottery….Lol!!!! GO MAGIC….PEACE-MB

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually I'm a Vince fan.

Again, I hate the Raptors. They’re just stupid and they behave stupid. I really thought that was a funny quote.

by Raptorel on May 24, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you, Raptor; that was a funny quote

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on May 24, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh! OK , I guess you are alright then….GO MAGIC!!!!

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I have no expectations from this game... I'm 100% sure it's going to be a sweep

My only hope is that somehow, someway, the Magic will shut my mouth and win game 4. I have no idea how though.

by Raptorel on May 24, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

by simply playing MAGIC Basketball….NO SWEEP.(Period) GO MAGIC!!!!!

by Micheal B on May 24, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

No true fan would want the season to end tonight.

by Hassanali181 on May 24, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

A true fan wouldn’t even need to think about it. The answer is obvious.

by Raptorel on May 24, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe the poll results

The Magic have been my favorite eastern conference team to watch this year; I like every aspect of your team, from starters to bench to coach to offensive philosophy (though I’m sure there are some of you that aren’t quite so happy with those last two right now).

Watching your team lose at home isn’t fun, I know, but how can you not want to keep on seeing them until the last possible chance? The offseason is a long dark period, especially with only the World Cup to keep us occupied until College Football starts. I would prefer to put off the dreaded offseason as long as possible, and I would seriously never give up a chance to see my team play another game at home, especially in the playoffs.

Good luck tonight guys, I’ll definitely be rooting for The Magic to draw out this series as long as possible.

by BruinDrums on May 24, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Good luck tonight

Yall are a great team and a young one at that. You can’t feel bad for losing to the Celtics, they are a hardened group of veterans with championship experience and have 4 future HOF’ers (Rondo the other) in their starting 5.

They are the best team in the East when healthy, I don’t think that is even disputable.

Good luck tonight, next year and so forth. I respect yall unlike the Cavs, yall truly do it as a team, like the C’s.

Best of luck guys!

by C'sfan4life on May 24, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This thread is a damn joke

No way in hell should ANY fan of ANY team “want” their team to lose. WTF is this? SMH…

Vince Carter - Half Man, Half Retired

Matt Barnes - Half Man, Half Tattoo

by magic12ball on May 24, 2010 8:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Wow

so many debbie downers. There’s the first game

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on May 25, 2010 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great game Guy/Gals...

Hats off to SuperEGO and Jumping Jameer…Lewis even showed up…WOW

Well I guess we got to handle this at your place…nothing like crashing a house party!

by Ol' Green Boyz on May 25, 2010 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't understand how any of you could vote yes.

Does getting sweeped really sound that appealing to you? In every situation, you should want your team to win. I’ll admit it looks impossible to win the series, but it’s not impossible to get our dignity back.

by milner406 on May 25, 2010 6:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I NEVER WANT TO SEE A THREAD OR ARTICLE LIKE THIS ONE AGAIN

"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.

by KingJafi on May 25, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

well, it does create a kind of fuzz but I certainly agree.

Time to get that finger bling-bling
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by 44792212 on May 25, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Knicks fan

And i dont see how this article even got the pub it did.. how many chose that they wanted your team to lose?? wtf.. i couldnt believe my eyes. I know the knicks arent good right now. but never have I wanted my team to lose just b/c we were down in a series, or on verge of a sweep. Sh*t happens and history is made when teams come back from 3-0. if you voted yes for losing then your not a true fan, your either a bandwagoner or a cry baby sore loser.

“Theres no crying in baseball”

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on May 25, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You're absolutely right

The thing is, there are a lot of other teams’ fans in here as well (cough Celtics cough) so…

by Raptorel on May 25, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol...

true

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on May 26, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

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