J.J. Redick Needs to Join the Orlando Magic's Starting Lineup
The Orlando Magic are scrambling for answers as they attempt to mount a comeback against the Boston Celtics, whom they trail, 2-0, in the Eastern Conference Finals. With the exception of one very costly decision to dribble the ball upcourt, J.J. Redick has been a bright spot for Orlando against Boston, and his increased playing time reflects that. He's averaging 26.5 minutes per game in this series, up from 22.0 in the regular season. Those minutes are coming largely at the expense of starting small forward Matt Barnes, whose playing time has plummeted from 25.9 minutes per game in the regular season to 18.5 in the Conference Finals.
Here's a bit more on how the two stack up individually on a per-game basis:
| Player | Points | Rebounds | Assists | True Shooting | Raw +/- |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Barnes | 4.0 | 5.0 | 1.0 | 28.8% | -20 |
| Redick | 12.5 | 3.5 | 2.0 | 61.3% | +10 |
Now there's more to the game than the stats I included in the above table, but they nonetheless point to something anyone who's watched this series could tell you: Redick's playing far better. The efficient scoring is the most jarring difference. Redick's shot 3-of-6 from beyond the arc in this series, which is a factor, but his volume foul-drawing and subsequent free-throw conversion (he's 10-of-10 at the stripe) are equally important.
Indeed, one can make a case for putting him in the starting lineup at Barnes' expense in order to get the team off to faster starts, which is exactly what I'm going to do here. And if this topic is familiar to you, it should be. After Game 1, fans voiced strong support for Redick over Barnes in the starting lineup around the internet and here at OPP. Game 2 reaffirmed that idea.
It's not just individual stats that bear out the idea that Orlando's better off with Redick. Team stats tell a similar story. Take a look at these stats gleaned from basketballvalue.com, which show how the team has performed with the players in question on the floor with Orlando's "Big Four" of Jameer Nelson, Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis, and Dwight Howard:
| Player | Magic Offense | Magic Defense | Efficiency Differential | Raw +/- | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pts/Poss | Eff. | Pts/Poss | Eff. | |||
| Barnes | 38/45 | 84.44 | 54/43 | 124.44 | -40.00 | -16 |
| Redick | 25/31 | 80.65 | 25/30 | 83.33 | -2.69 | 0 |
| Difference | -13/-14 | -3.79 | -29/-13 | -41.11 | +37.31 | +16 |
Coach Stan Van Gundy believes in advanced metrics and detailed scouting, so this bit of reporting by Andrew Melnick of Howard the Dunk shouldn't surprise anyone. During yesterday's post-practice media availability session, Van Gundy knew off the top of his head that lineups featuring Dwight Howard and Marcin Gortat together at the power positions are a +12 overall in this series. And, says Melnick, "[a]fter every game, Van Gundy checks the numbers to see which lineups were most successful." In other words, we know Van Gundy consults plus-minus on a team-wide scale.
So he surely knows that lineups with Barnes have submarined the Magic in this series. I'm not trying to slam Barnes here--he's playing through back pain right now, and he's had a great year--but the individual and team-wide numbers condemn him, and strongly suggest that Orlando stands a better chance to compete with Boston when Redick's on the floor. Look at the efficiency differentials the team posts with those players sharing the floor with the other starters. Redick's worth 37.31 points per 100 possessions over Barnes so far in this series! That's just too glaring to ignore.
In most cases, I strongly oppose the idea of shuffling a starting lineup to counter a specific opponent, especially if the lineup in question has succeeded over a long period, as the current one has. However, this case is a special one. Redick has to start, and Barnes has to come off the bench. This move wouldn't decisively swing the series in Orlando's favor, nor is it the only change it needs to make. But it looks like it could be an adjustment that gives the Magic a better chance of evening the series in Boston this weekend.
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Tania Ganguli just tweeted that SVG is not changing the lineup....even though he knows JJ has improved the overall game.
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
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by Bonafidebrother on May 20, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions
He may not START Redick, but he will definitely give Redick starters minutes in the rest of this series. Stan’s not THAT foolish.
Why not start him ? what sense does it make to keep Barnes if he hasn’t showed he can play good defense on Ray ?
Because
Barnes losses confidence and JJ didn’t do well a starter earlier in the season, is the only thing I can think of.
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I agree
JJ Redick is a good player. He was one of the best in g2. I (as a celts fan) was nervous when i saw him play.
Yes
He uses advanced stats, but he isn’t using Ryan Anderson.. Why not?
If Shard and Barnes come out cold again, insert RA and JJ immediately..
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It’s getting louder for sure, that JJ should just start. Espn’s Thorpe tweeted during Game 1 how the Celtics let Barnes shoot those bc he’s their worst shooter and Iv noticed it enough thru 2 games that if JJ were there it might have spurred a run of Magic 3’s. JJ also seems to do things that VC and Nelson should be doing more, like attacking the defense for plays instead of sitting near the 3 line all day. AND JJ plays hardnosed D on Allen, following him all around the place as well as can be.
by derekk on May 20, 2010 2:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If JJ starts, then what about the bench?
Who will be an offensive option with Barnes coming off the bench ? Rashard and MP can’t go off and J-Will well he wont be a scorer. I really don’t see the point in starting JJ over Barnes. SVG gives more minutes to JJ and he trusts him in the 4rth quarters. I tought Barnes did a better job with more energy in game 2 though he needs to make more shots. It’s clear that JJ been great but I agree with SVG as to the points of the game where he gets his time.
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I've never been a big fan of lineup changes.
I think that you do that more often during the season in order to see what works over a period of time. That’s how we got Matt into the starting lineup in the first place. In the playoffs, the starting lineups should remain the same barring severe injury problems.
However, that being said you have to adjust minutes based on performance and that’s what Van Gundy appears to be doing and will continue to do.
I’ve heard it suggested that the Magic should run the lineup of Nelson/Redick/Lewis/Gortat/Howard. The idea I think is to promote ball movement and take away Vince’s usage rate while giving the Magic a rebounding advantage with the Twin Towers. The problem with this is it kills our rotations and puts too much pressure on Gortat for a full game. He’d be playing backup Center and PF for most of the night. Then what? Would you have Bass play Center? Against Perkins and Garnett? That doesn’t seem very smart.
I’m all for increasing Redick’s minutes but all this talk about lineup changes feels like too much panic for my taste. Luckily, Stan isn’t the “Master of Panic” that he’s been called and he will trust his guys.
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Agree -- it's inappropriate to make the lineup change.
But rotations can, and should, change. Unless we get off to a hot start, expect to see JJ early and often in game 3.
by gift of the magi on May 20, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
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I agree, JJ should start, he was a clear sparkplug in G2 and not a liability on offense like Barnes. We’re down 2 games and going on the road…there’s really nothing to lose with this switch.
Oh yeah, I bet Coach K called JJ the next day and made him run suicides for the timeout gaffe.
I love how JJ gets to the FT line, that combined with his 3’s make his TS and eFG %‘s great. Then he also seems like a PG out there at times bc he’ll drive to make plays. I think it would be very prudent to keep JJ and Gortat this summer.
by derekk on May 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I do think if we keep him that Redick could turn into our starter in two years.
Vince can’t have much more in the tank and I don’t know what will be available then.
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I like JJ better as a poor man's manu ginobli...
which is not a knock to JJ at all. I just like having added guardpower off the bench when we need it. He can still play at least 30 min per night switching off between the 2 and the 1 for a bigger matchup.
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by stanleygoober on May 20, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, I could see him as a starter soon, or fixated as a 6th Man too.
by derekk on May 21, 2010 2:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Unless he's playing for a contract and laying an egg next season.
I don’t expect it to happen though.
I think it's a psychological factor as well
Barnes needs to know SVG still trusts him, so SVG still starts him. JJ will bring more energy coming off the bench to stay on the floor and so on. I know it sounds silly and professional players shouldn’t be affected by stuff like this but in my opinion they are, even if they pretend they’re not.
I am probably the biggest JJ hater that loves the magic; however, I never refuse to give credit where credit is due. This is by far JJ’s best season and he has put it together on the offensive AND defensive side of the ball. He posted one of the best if not the best offensive efficiencies on the team. He is no longer just a 3 PT shooter. Playing him off the bench and giving him starter’s minutes is the right move. Start Barnes to slow down and disrupt PP and shut him down and then take a shot if he is wide open. The necessary changes to get the magic back in this series has nothing to do with benching barnes. It starts with rashard jameer and dwight having solid offensive nights and then vince scoring in double digits with out shooting goofy fade away jumpers.
Also wht about using vince at the point in a second unit that way u can put a bigger defender like pietruis or barnes to keep rondo out of the paint so he would become a jump shooter. Then theyre offense can become a little more predictable
He's get his ball stolen from him by Rondo
If Stephen Jackson took it from him in two consecutive possessions, imagine what Rondo would do
It's not so much that JJ should start, but rather that
Barnes shouldn’t be on the floor for even a minute. Whatever is wrong with this guy is irrelevant (if in fact something is wrong with him). He is a role player not a super star. And when role players play horrible like Barnes, you take them out entirely. Who should take his place? ANYONE. Heck, move Rashard to the 3 and bring in Gortat or Bass. Anything to keep Barnes off the floor. When Barnes plays, it is like going 4 on 5.
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There is nothing to lose using Marcin Gortat in the starting lineup…………..
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JJ will be a starter next year. May not be with the Magic. I always thought that he would have developed a lot sooner if he was not kept on the bench by Van Gundy. Well I think this summer will be JJ’s time to get what he wants. All season he has performed when he had his shot. He moves the ball a lot faster that Mr. Dribbles and makes a lot better decisions. I’m one that is torn between his career and the Magic. I really don’t care too much about him playing for Van Gundy another year. Van Gundy should go and set by his brother.
No, he needs to go to the Bobcats
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Starting JJ Redick is NOT the answer to the Magic's current problem[s]
Orlando’s Starting 5 vs Boston should be:
PG = Nelson [vs Rondo]
OG = Carter [vs R-Allen]
SF = Pietrus [vs Pierce]
PF = Lewis [vs Garnett]
C = Howard [vs Perkins].
Then their Key Subs should be:
PG & OG & SF = Redick or Barnes or Williams [vs T-Allen]
PF = Bass or Gortat [vs Davis]
C = Anderson [vs Wallace]
If SVG goes with that specific 9-man rotation vs Boston, then, Orlando will win 4 of the remaining 4 games in this series. :-)
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Redick has played spectacularly (relative to expectation; he's not playing like a superstar) in this series. Pietrus? He hasn't done anything to warrant more playing time.
Yea, he made some mental mistakes last game. I’d still play him more minutes than Barnes, even minutes alongside JJ too. He did great D in game 1 on Pierce and MP can hit that 3. In truth, this is not a series where one guy is at fault, and MP hasn’t gotten much minutes/oppurtunties.
by derekk on May 21, 2010 2:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

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