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Boston Celtics 92, Orlando Magic 88

The Boston Celtics' stifling defense proved too much for the Orlando Magic to handle in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals, as Boston built a 16-point lead through three quarters before Orlando's rally came up just short at the end. The Celtics only points in the final 5:34 of the game came at the foul line, where Orlando intentionally sent them in an effort to prolong the game. That dry spell came with Orlando using a small lineup of J.J. Redick at shooting guard and Vince Carter at small forward, a pairing I expect we'll see more of as this series continues. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen scored 47 points on 74.7% True Shooting to sink Orlando, while Rasheed Wallace scored 13 off the bench, including two three-pointers to beat the shot clock. As solid as those three were on offense, Boston's defense won it the game. Dwight Howard shot 3-of-10 from the field for 13 points and committed 7 turnovers against Wallace, Kendrick Perkins, and Glen Davis. The single-coverage enabled the Celtics to stick with Orlando's perimeter shooters, which essentially shut its offense down. The Magic shot 5-of-22 from beyond the arc overall, and 0-of-9 in the first half. An aggressive Vince Carter led Orlando with 23 points in the first Conference Finals game of his career. His backcourt-mate, Jameer Nelson, scored 20 and added 9 rebounds, including a tip-in of an intentionally missed Carter foul shot late in the game to keep Orlando alive. But apart from those two, and Redick, the Magic could not get anything going.

Star-divide

TeamPaceEfficiencyeFG%FT RateOReb%TO Rate
Celtics91101.148.6%27.018.917.6
Magic88100.044.8%24.732.620.5
Green denotes a stat better than the team's regular-season average;
red denotes a stat worse than the team's regular-season average.

Orlando trailed, 41-32, at halftime due to an abysmal offensive showing. Nelson came out of the locker room with more aggression, and hit two three-pointers and a pull-up 2 off a pick-and-roll to bring Orlando to within 3 points--Allen had a layup somewhere in there--but it went south from there. The Magic couldn't get a stop, as Boston scored on each of its next 9 possessions following Nelson's second trey. Just over 5 minutes later, Boston held a 64-45 edge.

Credit the Celtics for executing a great game plan throughout. I do think we have to call the Magic's strategy into question here. Over the last 3 seasons, the Celtics have very well established that they can shut Howard down one-on-one; posting him up isn't a sound idea, yet Orlando kept pounding the ball inside to him. Going forward, the Magic have to get Howard involved as a pick-and-roll finisher, and he can help himself by creating opportunities on the offensive glass. Expecting him to score consistently and efficiently against Boston's bigs isn't realistic. It simply baffled me to watch the Magic consistently clear out for Howard.

Likewise, it's unrealistic to expect Rashard Lewis and Carter to miss all 7 of their treys, as they did today. Tom Haberstroh of HoopData pointed out that the pair combined for no three-pointers for just the fourth time this season today. Part of that is great defense, and I don't mean to take anything from Boston here. But those two won't shoot 0.000% from deep over the course of an entire series.

Not everything went wrong, though. Coach Stan Van Gundy's decision to pair Marcin Gortat with Howard at the power positions paid dividends, and helped the Magic win the rebounding battle, 45-38, after an early deficit. And Carter played as aggressively as he has in months; he pleasantly surprised anyone concerned that he'd loaf through this game and fire contested 19-footers the whole afternoon. If Van Gundy makes some simple adjustments, like using Howard away from the ball, and some of his players' open looks start dropping, the Magic will be in good shape. He's right when he says "[o]ur team doesn't have to prove that they can fight back from adversity and all that crap." It's about execution and making shots. This afternoon, Boston had the edge in both those areas.

Indeed, the Celtics played phenomenal defense, but Orlando's work on that side of the floor--giving up 92 points on 91 possessions--was good enough to win it the game on most nights. Again, the Magic need only make the proper offensive adjustments to get back into this series. The next game should be far more competitive.

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I don’t expect Boston to have such a consistant offensive output in Game 2 either. They are known for half quarter length offensive droughts on the regular.

by gatorboi352 on May 17, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still got the Magic winning the series handily, but all games will likely be close. They need to make drastic adjustments to win tho.
The cross adjustment really flopped on itself there. While many of us were saying it made sense to do, I said that Barnes and MP should be guarding PP thru the first two games to make sure he stayed ineffective. Instead of playing a continued poor playoffs, Pierce broke out big, classic mid range shots and drives, and tons of FTs in PP fashion. He sorely outplayed VC. Barnes and MP are more suited for PP than Allen, and Allen outplayed them, and Id rather depend on Allens shooting than PPs drives and playmaking if I’m the Magic. I fully expect to see that change next game. PP and Allen scored an efficient 20+ points each, it’s, frankly, embarassing that not even atleast one could be stopped. Putting Barnes and MP back on PP is the way to go, MP looked great on PP whenever it happened.
 
The other glaring defensive issues were paint points. Some of it is sacrficied to maintain Dwight roaming, but he and Shard let alot of back door cuts and open big men to have point blank shots. The Celtics also drived alot more than they shouldve been allowed. I was happy for KGs poor production but it could have been fluky, only impacting more the necessity to atleast stop one of Allen or PP. As I thought, Rondo is vastly less effective than most everyone thought, just like in the reg. Season and in last yrs series.

On offense, I would run less thru VC and try to involve Rashard and Dwight more in plays. He was getting tired I think, and VC makes some boneheaded TOs like in bounds passing and poor passes. He also has been effectively slowed down in recieving the ball, making me wonder why give it to him in frustration talk, and can be funneled by defenses rather than force the drive for FTs. In fairness, much of his drives have fouls on VC but the refs call it as such and I prefer a no whistle game anyways. VC was still relatively efficient. He should be taking away 2pnters for more 3s and drives and post ups, he has a good post up on them he should be using more.
One player I would run thru instead is Jameer. As I thought, Rondo does a pretty good job on him, but Jameer still had 20. The way jameer scores and playmakes is that he’s a threat to shoot well off PnRs unlike Rondo. I countlessly was wondering why the Magic weren’t hammering down more PnRs for him. Jameer would have to initiate without it too much and the other big problem was many PnRs were extremely poorly set for Jameer. I was comically laughing at how Dwight and VC set such a poor pick at times, Jameer got little room and it turned out into a double on him instead, without even being a over the pick or show and cover pick defense. When Jameer has a great pick, he can do a 8 point run in a minute like today. SVG has to get something going for Rashard someway somehow. If the Magic come out with Jameer PnRs and Dwight post ups much more often, then it will set up a inside out presence for Rashard and VC later on to have more room to operate.

In essence, there needs to be alot of adjustments. The Magic needed to adjust to a strong opponent for once, meaning the competition in round 2 was too easy for preparation like some thought. Luckily, homecourt is not really a big advantage once you’re in these late rounds, but make no mistake, Magic have a Game 7 on Tuesday regardless, in terms of momentum and confidence, they need to win it. They need to find some offense for themselves, and keep up the defensive pressure even higher, making sure most of all this time to eliminate the cross match and/or effectively guard atleast one of Pierce or Ray Allen.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 7:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Vince had ONE boneheaded turnover... compared to five or six for Dwight and three for Nelson

A questionable travel call and a missed foul aren’t boneheaded.

If anything, run through Vince more and Dwight less. Rashard can get by Garnett anytime he wants it seems, but gets stymied at the rim.

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by ben_gleicher on May 16, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't know how running less through Vince would be an answer to that game.

Vince played great, especially considering how well Boston played D.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 16, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I can easily say I’m no offensive guru here. My main, main, main takeway was to defensively cover Pierce and Allen. Eliminating the cross match is the way to go I say because Barnes and MP can really hound Pierce well and it’s clear now, Pierce is back.

In defense, I don’t like how VC has 2 assists. I don’t think the Magic will win 1 on 1 like VC seems to do. He can prove me wrong with either more FTs, an excellent shooting night, or more assists. The Magic play best when using high ball movement. Jameer will drive and dish more often and effectively than VC, Dwight will rack up team fouls on them and get some occasional double help defense. Rashard Lewis is also a good Low/mid post option, he shouldve drived more, and passer. Their defense really stymies Orlandos offense, and they are not passing the ball enough. I did not see this enough against Boston last yr or this year, so an option like VC is the way to go, but it would be better for VC to initiate more plays like drive and kick outs (he will have to show good threat with more resolve to get FTs tho). I just don’t think VC can do it all himself and that the Magic shouldnt be doing so many things different than they usually do on offense. VC was an offensive plus obviously, but his usage rate was too high. I think everyone on the Magic should also be attacking the paint more, Rashard especially. Attacking the paint opens up more 3s. This is such a drag it down series that the Magic can’t count solely on jumpers of any kind.
 
And to Ben, I know Dwight sucks in post ups against them, but I really think he will improve beyond we expect. He’s also got be getting super focused to prove he can score here. I’m not talking about not involving Dwight in other ways, or running Dwight post ups into the ground but he should get more post ups in a consecutive stretch like the beginning of the game, I still don’t think they can one on one cover that so repeatedly. Oh, and I loved the Twin Towers, I thought it should be used more too.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 8:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Boxscore has VC with 3 TOs, Nelson 3 and Dwight 7. I would say I saw more miscues that may not have been necessarily “TOs” from all 3 also lol. But VC and Nelson seemed to get ahold of it later, they may have finished adjusted to this series.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I honestly can't believe your blaming vince for this game

He could hardly have played any better, at least offensively.

by nickswarriors16 on May 16, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can't blame VC at all

but i am disappointed at rashard going 0-6 from down town….

it was great seeing vince in more of an attack mode

by omgwtfpaul on May 16, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not blaming him, I just think he was used too much. He showed up big, but he’s predictable and doesnt get enough assists with his usage rate. I’m not as sure of this as some of the other things I said should be adjusted so the debate is sound. Maybe Im overreacting.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

sorry, no

your right, he doesnt get assists when rashard lewis misses the threes. if youll note vince actually has a top 20 pure point rating in the entire NBA since February. I dont think shard will miss 6 threes again though. also, its not that dwight sucks in post ups, its that perkins is pretty fantastic at defending them. dwight had a bad game, but more than anyone his bad game was due to incredible defense

by nickswarriors16 on May 17, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dwight has bad games

Against anyone his size..

by i2ambler on May 17, 2010 6:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Vince doesn't have to finish a possesion with an assist or a made basket

He doesn’t get credited for assists too much because he’s hockey assisting. He usually penetrates, kicks it out, and the guy that receives the pass from Vince passes to the 3rd guy that takes a shot. That’s what usually happens. And Vince doesn’t get an assist for that.

I thought his usage rate was good and the Magic should play through him because:

1) That makes him more aggressive (he mentally gets into the “the team needs me” more and that makes him more aggressive);

2) He has a high basketball IQ;

3) He’s an underrated passer. Again, it doesn’t have to be a pass to a shooter. It has to be solid ball movement.

4) His turnover rate is pretty low (despite the 3 turnovers from yesterday, check the average)

by Raptorel on May 17, 2010 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

In order to get an assist, the other player has to make the shot.

There was not a lot of shot making going on.

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by NC Magic Fan on May 17, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok I can see it, but there needs to be more ball movement from everyone. VC is doing good but he can’t do it by himself.

by derekk on May 17, 2010 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

*tears*

Actually, I’m that sad. Bc, I think they really pulled it together at the end. I think they just needed a bit of a warm up. We just continue to play! On to the next game! GO MAGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm a girl too.

Haters gonna hate.

by GoMagicGo on May 16, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Despite the sloppy play

it was good for our confidence in the next games that we were able to rally and were a 3 pointer away from winning the game.

Me Against The World And I'm Winning

by Andeezy on May 16, 2010 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes hope your Magic Men are thinking the same way you are...

then we can definately steal the Fool’s Gold JVG was talking about…we had double diget lead for three Q’s…come on…Firing on ALL cylinders the Magic might as well take Adrian’s advice from the Rocky movies…“YOU CAN’T WIN!!!”

by Ol' Green Boyz on May 16, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Way to be a troll.

You’re rude.

I'm a girl too.

Haters gonna hate.

by GoMagicGo on May 16, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh . . . let him talk because he normally screws up his own analogies and it is sorta funny

Just like this one. After all, Rocky didn’t heed Adrian’s “advice” (“You can’t win” is hardly advice) and went on to actually win in the end.

I’m starting to think this person is actually a Magic fan pretending to be a Celtics troll because his remarks are way too lame to even be remotely real.

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by funny80sguy on May 16, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basketball is a game

Posting on a blog is not a game.

by MagicMark on May 16, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can I know that I don't like a comment unless I read it?

Your logic is flawed. But, for some reason, I’m guessing you get that a lot. Posting here is not a competitive game. And, sure, your team won this game but, that doesn’t give you a license to come here and be rude to members of this blog or rude about our team. If you want to say something derogatory to say, keep it on your own blog. Thanks!

I'm a girl too.

Haters gonna hate.

by GoMagicGo on May 17, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dayum

Zing! I would come over to Celtics blog after we win game 2 and make a few much more clever derogatory statements about his team but I already know that he’ll be feeling bad enough when the Magic win game 2 and ultimately – the series. Besides, here we have class.

by BlueSkyOneCloud on May 17, 2010 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

My two cents.

Bright spots:
Vince Carter played hard on offense for the entire game. It’s a shame is long range looks weren’t going in because they were good looks. Also, he should’ve gone to the free throw line a little more since he was so aggressive. But the refs were mostly fair in this game so I can’t make a big deal out of that. Redick was very strong in the minutes he had, and that was also the case last year against the Celts. I also felt our defense was strong for most of the game and our effort level seemed high.

Dark spots:
Dwight was not good offensively. He let himself get frustrated, but seemed to cool down towards the end of the game. Boston’s D on him was very good, but I still felt he had a lot of chances close to the basket where he should’ve scored and it just didn’t go in. The league leader in FG% needs to be more efficient. I also think Ben is right in his write up that they need to get him as a finisher rather than posting up. Mixing it up a little more could break the inside D of the Celtics. Rashard’s problem mainly came from not having a lot of opportunities to score, but when he did they were really awkward shots. Pietrus didn’t seem nearly as comfortable as he has been, and I credit rust and Boston D for that.

Overall, I really think we can win this series but only if we can play smarter with more focus. We would’ve won this game if we had played only slightly under our season average. The key is Dwight, who needs to get better looks on offense and convert his high percentage baskets. I don’t have too many issues on defense, other than Allen needs someone to run with him and Barnes seems really out of it with his back.

The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy

by cgsimone on May 16, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s truly a bright spot that the Magic almost won with such bad team performance.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And it was BRIGHT! :)

The Hammer was playing awesome! Both on Defense and Offense. Can’t believe SVG was trying to get Dwight going for almost the whole 3rd Q the way he was embarassing himself. The offense became stagnant once again…

Gortat is just playing to the magic strenghts – with multiple screens and PnR in one possession he is eroding Celtics’ defense. He also was able to stop both Wallace and Perkins one-on-one leaving Dwight on Garnett.

Can’t believe SVG missed this spot in the second half, kept Dwight on the floor and let him bleed out the remainder of his shrinking ego.

Note: Gortat was the only guy +8 on the magic team and having played only 7 minutes of the first half arguably the top performer for the magic before the break. I know SVG is adamant about his rotation but, in my opinion it was just bad call to let Dwight try and try and try for the whole 3rd Q…

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on May 17, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gortat was amazing.

by derekk on May 17, 2010 3:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think we should start JJ

Matt Barnes isn’t feeling good and JJ always plays R Allen very well IMO

by Hikupp on May 16, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

My thoughts exactly.

I think Barnes should just sit until he’s 100% He was completely out of it.

The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.

by ben_gleicher on May 16, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had some good boards and a cut or two, but I didn’t like his defense too much.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thorpe tweeted how Boston d was smart and lagge off Barnes at the 3 line, meaning they can’t do that if it’s JJ or MP instead.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 10:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

barnes has shot the ball well though

today he only shot 4 shots, 1 of which was a three pointer.

by MagicMark on May 16, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I would actually consider that. Also, increasing the minutes that twin towers gets.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

More 4th quarter, less 1st quarter.

The Magic didn’t play well at all for 3 quarters, in the third the offense finally appeared, but the defense was still very soft. If only a few of those 3-pointers had fell…

D12 once again allowed Rasheed Wallace to mess up with his head. That sucked.

Even during those first 3 quarters there were moments of Magic Basketball, where they were able to cut down the deficit, only to allow Boston to pull away again.

All in all, yes, Boston played good D, but Orlando wasn’t playing their game either. Bad 3point shooting, low assists, waaaaay too many unnecessary turnovers. Like the guys in ESPNLA said, the Magic can at least go away thinking, that playing this bad they only lost by 4.

Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.

by North of the South on May 16, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I have never played against Sheed

I can imagine that it’s annoying. But that being said, Dwight knows better. He knows what Wallace is there to do and yet he still falls into the same trap. I don’t expect Dwight to be Gandhi or anything, but he really needs to just laugh this guy off and let it go. Wallace is too smart and we can’t let him be effective.

The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy

by cgsimone on May 16, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you ever heard Rasheed's voice ? Man, you have to be deaf to keep that from going in your head.

Maybe Dwight should use those noise protection earmuffs or maybe he should just try to be smarter than Rasheed.

Time to get that finger bling-bling
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by 44792212 on May 17, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dwight was the most immature player out there period. He needs to be more measured inhis offense too, he looked rushed. He was worse than from the 1 round.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dwight said in the press conference that he and the team felt "anxious"

Which proves your point about looking rushed.

The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy

by cgsimone on May 16, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got that also from Thorpe’s tweets. He’s an Espn guy, and super X and Os savvy.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 10:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Defense:

We would play well on defense but our weak-side rotations were leaving something to be desired. When we had the game close in the 3rd quarter, people missed rotating to Glen Davis who was usually standing directly underneath the basket. And we had a couple touch-foul and 1s that we need to avoid.

by MagicMark on May 16, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Boston played great D.

Let’s get that out of the way right now. They’re playing D almost as well as they did 2 years ago. It’s impressive to watch at times. They’ve got a great mix of disciplined rotations and tough inside play.

With that said, yeah, I can’t understand Dwight’s post game against Boston. I mean, leading up to the series, he talked openly about not trying to muscle up with Perkins and using his speed to his advantage. Did he do that? No, no he did not. He allowed Rasheed to frustrate him. They didn’t put him in nearly enough PnR situations. To think we outscored Boston by 6 points in the 9 minutes Dwight was on the bench was unsettling. But Boston did this to LeBron last series, taking a superstar below his usual production, so we shouldn’t be surprised.

If Dwight can’t rectify those issues, we’re going to have to convert the inside-out game from him posting up and finding open guys to the drive-and-kicks from Vince and Jameer. I don’t know if we can win the series if we have to rely just on Vince and Jameer for initiating all of our offense, but we certainly aren’t going to win with Dwight throwing up off-balance hot garbage at the rim just to, I dunno, prove he can power through Perkins (I can’t quantify how frustrated I was watching him call for the ball each time, and then throw up trash when he was not in a legit scoring position instead of kicking it out for an open shot or for a re-post).

I was nervous the past few days leading up to the game (I would’ve rather faced Cleveland), and now there’s a good chance Boston wins in 6. Hopefully this was a result of being punched in the mouth the first time by a great team and the Magic will respond appropriately next game. Otherwise, if Dwight continues to play stupid basketball, if the Magic continue to have poor rotations on defense allowing easy buckets, if Ray Allen continues throwing up rubies and sapphires from deep, it could be a long summer.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 16, 2010 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

He has to cut down on the turnovers.

We would have been much closer in the first half if we hadn’t had however many turnovers we had in the first half. Our defense was good/very good in every quarter except for the 3rd quarter.

by MagicMark on May 16, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

We had 13 TO's in the first half.

Boston had 12. So there wasn’t a big edge there for them, and both teams have been bad with TO’s throughout the course of the season, so it’s not some kind of anomaly. I only felt our D was up to snuff in the 4th and parts of the 2nd. The first quarter was just sloppy ball all the way around. That 3rd quarter stretch was brutal though.

I will say it was good that Dwight didn’t let his offensive frustrations distract him from having an impact on the defensive side, especially late. But we need him to be smarter on offense, we need Rashard to be resemble what he has been historically for us in the playoffs, and we need Barnes to either be healthy or sit, no in between. Now’s not the time for you to be a tough guy, Matt, we need a guy who can chase Ray around screens.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 16, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, I agree.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ben

Your go-to-complaint consistently revolves around Stan orchestrating the offense away from the Dwight post. The adjustment you seem to hope for never happens and the Magic continue winning. When are you going to let that go?

'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12

by Eyriq the Red on May 16, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

That is just the thing

He usually does start dominating.

'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12

by Eyriq the Red on May 16, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

When there are adjustments being made.

He wasn’t making any adjustments, and the team as a whole didn’t make any adjustments until it was too late.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 16, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but like Ben said, they have to also find creative ways for him. I think also a key is, the Magic will only come to him onceawhile when he’s cold, Dwight rarely starts off blazing, he’s better when he gets it in consecutive possessions.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Part of it is also, Dwights the franchise, he needs to be forced to learn to score on good defenses and not be ignored.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Amen

'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12

by Eyriq the Red on May 16, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He means to say you may have a running theme to ignore Dwight on offense. I see that in your recap but not as a running theme at all. I know what you’re trying to say, and I clearly don’t think I know more than you about the game hehe. I just think Dwight should still get many looks bc he may come around with those better post ups next game.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know, I worded it wrong. My bad, but I want that and to still have traditional post ups for Dwight.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know and I don’t have a counter to that either lol, it’s just I donno, I think Dwight will surprise us. Hopefully.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 10:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He just needs to fake/pump fake more

Because their mentality is to foul Dwight and send him to the line if he attempts a shot.

So if you pump fake and your name is Dwight, there’s a good chance they’re going to jump on it.

by Raptorel on May 17, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, Thorpe was tweeting that Dwight also was doing something wrong with his post moves. For the sake of the Magic lol, I hope he comes more patient and uses more measured moves and fakes. His FTs look ok tho.

by derekk on May 17, 2010 3:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dwight can score on them all day

He needs to mix it up and turn and face the basket more. When he did this against Perkins last time, he was blowing by him. But he should also be able to score on 80% of the shots he took, they looked awkward (granted there were two arms shoving him down low to knock hm off balance every time), but even so, Dwight was getting good position, he was just rushing and taking a bad angle shot instead of relaxing and going up and hooking it in.

by Eric9321 on May 17, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

We went to the post too much.

Pick and roll was non-existant. Our gameplan combined with poor shooting didn’t pan out. But Stan is the best coach in the league. Adjustments will be made. I hope no one on here thought a Finals run would be easy.

by The Stan 'Stache on May 16, 2010 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Of course not

I just thought the Magic would come out better prepared for game 1. I mean jump shots should be in rhythm when all you have done is practice them for a week.

by Eric9321 on May 17, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

just a thought

with barnes clearly hurting, and completely and utterly ineffective on offense. and less effective on D, am I the only one who thinks it makes sense to start Redick in this circumstance? To me, it seems like he is perfectly suited to guard ray allen who is a slightly more athletic and elderly version of himself, and he also has such good stamina that he would be able to run around screens and contest the shots, while tiring allen out on the defensive end, something ray didnt have to worry about with barnes. Also, I wanted to comment that rashard lewis could not have shot much worse than he did today. To me, this is actually a good thing, because shooters that good don’t have too many games like that. all in all, besides vince and meer and probably jj, the magic could not have played worse offensively (credit to defense obviously though) and yet we only lost by four. there is definitely reason to be enocuraged, as long as you dont listen to espn!

by nickswarriors16 on May 16, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

It all makes alot of sense. It was, after all, used in the 4th. I donno how much of that was SVG in desperate need of offense to rally or just thinking it was a good lineup, but it seemed like a good lineup to me. JJ, Nelson, VC, and Lewis are all players who run the offense. They’re all high IQ guys who love to run the offense and pass. They can find an opening to drive or shoot or make a better pass.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

JJ is playing well and we know he does a good job tracing Ray Allen

but it may not be a good time to change starting lineup. Barnes can still start unless he can’t play because of his back. And JJ can play more minutes as the game progresses.

by isum on May 16, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea this a more reasonable reaction. It doesn’t seem as over reacting.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 10:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yup

more JJ and Pietrus. Less Barnes for this series. He just didn’ t look right.

"It's all part of the plan." Jeff Moorad and The Joker in the Dark Knight.

"Just because you went to the Finals last year, you can’t go out on the floor and expect teams to lay down. We got no heart. You can only make so many excuses. Everybody has to come and play hard, not just one or two guys."-Matt Barnes

by L Magico on May 17, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pathetic

14 points in first quarter-pathetic. 5 starters could not hit their $ss with both hands-pathetic. Van Gundy leaving Howard in the last 3 minutes-pathetic. The Magic got their $ss whipped. Yeah they only got beat by 4 but it was hard to watch. Allen, Pierce and Wallace played great. We also lost home court, if that means anything. Boston are a hard fouling team and the Magic are wimps. Doesn’t take much basketball knowledge to understand that game. We know what is going to happen next game and Van Gundy better come up with an answer.

by far-way on May 16, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

THE SKY IS FALLING

QUICK WHAT ARE THE CELTICS RING SIZES!!!!!!!!!!11

by MagicMark on May 16, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember how the Magic reacted in one game last yr in the playoffs to them, by seeing every one of them attack the point. The magic’s paints points were ridiculously high, and they won.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

point= paint. Sorry for grammer mistake(s).

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That should be actually win 2 in Boston

good teams dont steal victories they earn and take them. Last year we won 2 games in Boston

Me Against The World And I'm Winning

by Andeezy on May 16, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Van Gundy better come up with an answer?

Are you Otis Smith? Lol. It’s ok. This game exposed weaknesses that the Magic need to fix. Losing sucks but Van Gundy will have everyone ready for game 2.

by The Stan 'Stache on May 16, 2010 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Boston's D is elite

But I don’t see the Mafic shooting 23% from 3 again. If the Magic shoot 7 of 22 we might be looking at a different outcome. It’s a bad game. It happens. We just can’t have 3 more bad games.

by The Stan 'Stache on May 16, 2010 9:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yep, that’s an awful lot of missed 3s for a team full of great shooters, even in Boston Defense standards.

by derekk on May 16, 2010 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes i agree

The magic were bound to lose a couple, But orlando is superior and will win the majority and by game seven it will be ours!

jamesbond

by magictrix on May 16, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Moving on to Game 2...

I didn’t see the entire game since I’ve been on the road pretty much all day. I got a glimpse of the 3rd quarter and one thing I noticed was Dwight wasn’t having a good game. I saw Nelson and Carter being the only bright spots from the Magic. Dwight needs a shooting coach. No disrespect to Mr. Ewing, but I think he’s not doing enough on that department.

I hate Pau Gasol!

by jax502 on May 16, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Since no one else has said it, I will...

I am extremely confident we will win this series. We knew this would be a tough, grinding series, we knew that it would go the distance, and that all the games will be close. Boston is not better than us, our 3’s will fall, D12 will put his numbers, & SVG will have the proper adjustments in place as the series goes on. It pissed me off how people were already declaring the series over during the game thread, and I also don’t like those who only show up & comment when things aren’t going well, then they start bashing the team, players, coaches, etc. We’re starting to sound like those spoiled, whiny Celtics fans who want to run the team out of town when they lose. We’re not gonna win every game, and every loss is something to learn from. And God forbid, if we do lose this series, then hey, maybe we weren’t the better team, but enough with the sad songs already, and have some faith. Go Magic!

by pjlawrence81 on May 16, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

It's only one game

but the Magic have to win game 2 or else it’s lights out. Win game 2 and take either game 3 or 4 and the Magic will have homecourt advantage back.

by LibNat on May 16, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't go over there and post mindless drivel like you have here.

I have intelligent conversation, I don’t say things like “YOU CAN’T WIN”. There is a difference.

by MagicMark on May 16, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So speaking in reality of a situation...C's won game one..

And if they keep up the intensity they had in the first three quarters…the Magic can WIN??? Come on man…Dwight is done if Perk and Sheed keep playing with his head…VC is scared…Jamer will be figured out and Lewis, J.J. will be teamed up on…@ MagicMark-oh pls stop taking my posts personal like we know each other…thx…this is fun remember “It’s only a game.”

by Ol' Green Boyz on May 17, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

VC is scared?

What does that mean?

I don't have a Sig!

by 4QB on May 17, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Something that MJackson pointed out was

that DHoward still needs more post up moves and that Ewing was his mentor. I’m surprised Ewing hasn’t taught him more of this. Howard seems limited in what he can do down there. Also, there were some shots where he should’ve used the backboard, but tried to swish them and they rimmed out. I’ve noticed alot players not using the backboard more often when closer to the basket. It really improves the odds of getting it in the rim if they did, especially on layups or drives to the hoop.

by inquisitiveman on May 16, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Howard's not limited with his post moves.

He was limiting himself. You don’t need 10 different post moves to be successful. You need a few, along with a few counters. He has that. But for some reason, usually against Perkins he decides to completely forsake every post move except for one power move into a hook. Sometimes he’ll sprinkle in a sloppy spin move. It’s wildly frustrating.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 17, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

JJ Redick seemed to be

quite effective on defense. Maybe he should start instead of Barnes since Barnes is injured anyway.

by inquisitiveman on May 16, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Ehh.

I think he meant VC at SF and J.J at SG.

I don't have a Sig!

by 4QB on May 17, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's the same height as Pierce

And about the same agility and speed. We can live with those two playing on each other and, more or less, cancelling each other out.

We can live with those two cancelling each other out – whilst Ray Allen runs Matt Barnes around for 25. If Carter’s going to guard Pierce anyway (and it seems he will) it’s silly to put a genuine forward on Allen – we should bring the specialist guard off the bench, the guy who’s proven he can guard Allen.

by eltharion_doa on May 17, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why does Howard have so much trouble with Rasheed Wallace?

Considering Perkins’ strength, toughness, and youth, I can understand him giving Dwight problems but how can a 35-year old and past-his-prime Rasheed still mess with him?

There is no Kryptonite against Howard in the NBA but if there is one, Perkins and Rasheed come closest to it. What a luxury for Doc Rivers to have not just one, but two of them.

by LibNat on May 16, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

If you look closely, Rasheed never stops talking to Dwight, it's not only a matter of physical play and skill.

Dwight allows the trash talk to get the best of him. During one of D12’s trips to the foul line, Vince it looked like Vince asked Dwight to stop listening to Wallace.

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by North of the South on May 17, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rasheed Wallace is a thug..

The way to shut him up is to dunk on him, leaving a spalding imprint on his forehead. Dwight needs to grow up and just play the game instead of getting frustrated whenever he can’t play against decent bigmen.. It is an unsettling trend that Dwight has problems against legit centers.

by i2ambler on May 17, 2010 7:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am a Magic fan and...

…I just loooove Sheed.

The way he became a factor for the last two playoff series after having the worst regular season of his career is incredible. He still has this ability to “flip the switch” the pistons seemed to master in their championship season.

Anyhow: he is a trashtalker, he is a banger and he is a good post-up defender.

If he gets beat he practicaly tears your arm off with a foul, so no and-1 for Howie.

If he gets hot he can kill you with mid-to-long range jumpers.

He has the ability to fire up the whole boston team (and to destroy it at the same time if he implodes and gets T-ed up).

Howard needs to start playing like a grown up!

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on May 17, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most of those are true.

At the same time, he quit on his team in the playoffs last year, he was out of shape and downright lazy allll season, he’s vastly underachieved every time he’s been counted on as “the guy”, and he’s more likely to kill his own team with his insistence on shooting long jumpers instead of going to the post (where he is still gifted) than he is to kill the other team.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 17, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

True but...

so far in the playoffs its the GOOD SHEED.

he has listened to Doc – he stopped putting up 20ft jumpers, his 3’s were close to the end of the shot clock, he posted up a few times, and played stellar defense.

also, he has aged drastically last 2 years – still he is a factor in this series. If he is dedicated – one of the best bench players in the east.

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on May 18, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't care if this is an excuse..

But we needed this lost.. It’s time for us to realize that hell yeah we are in the playoffs(ECF). Like what vc said it’s a wake up call. And a good thing about this game is we rallied in the final minutes and almost got lucky. It’s time for us to step it up and bring our A game.. I know we get this.. We are here because we deserve to be here.. LETS GO MAGIC!!!

we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..

by silenthero07 on May 17, 2010 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Win Game 2 (a MUST) and take 1 (or 2) in Boston, that's all you need.

Then, this game will be in the past.

Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.

by North of the South on May 17, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Winning 4 in a row would be nice.

I also think World Peace would be awesome. One of those things would lead to the other I’m sure of it.

The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy

by cgsimone on May 17, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bottom line, Orlando got put through a Playoff Clinic yesterday and it was expected.

I said prior to the game that was very worried about Boston, who sure enough, have turned on the switch (I hate that there’s even a switch to turn on) and are now playing like the 2008 C’s again. I said my primary concern was that Boston can swarm Dwight like any team with a bunch of bigs can. Except here’s the thing: The big in question have historically frustrated Dwight. We’re talking about Rasheed Wallace, Kendrick Perkins and Kevin Garnett.
What you saw last night was not an anomaly. All season long Dwight has struggled against team’s with a handful of bigs with fouls to give. When the bigs are this talented, his struggles are magnified.
Surely Stan and company knew this? Why then were we throwing it to him constantly during the 1st and 3rd quarter? We pretty much fell into Boston’s trap. Why else was Sheed out there. That Celtic Green is kyrptonite for him. I mean, that one play where he couldn’t even take it to the rim against Pierce speaks volumes of how soft a player he still is on the offensive side.
But even beyond Dwight, I just think the team was not ready for the Boston’s scrappy defense and halfcourt sets with the length they encountered. While I give credit to the guys for attempting to penetrate the lane (Vince Carter in particular), too often it looked like they overwhelmed by the size of Boston’s length, which would explain the kick outs and passes on easy shots (Lewis and Redick in particular). I think that also had a lot to do with Jason Williams play as well. He looked flustered and uncertain.
And in both Jameer and Jason’s case, neither of them pushed the ball for most of the game. When they did push the ball they made a run. However more often they brought the ball up slowly and all that does is make you fall into Boston’s half court trap. Its a classic Playoff trick that too often or not talented running teams get shot down with. Its the same issue in the LA-Phoenix series, and its the same issue we had last year vs the Lakers.
I also think the decision to have Barnes guard Ray and Carter on Pierce was a mistake. Paul got a few easy fouls off Pierce and Barnes seemed to be playing tight because of his back and didn’t get it going until the end.
A lotta credit has to go to Vince though for keeping us in this, and its really a shame that if we go down in this series, people will point to the Carter for Hedo switch as the reason, when that’s accurate and fair on Vince at all. Look I was a little annoyed that people first say “We cant win because Vince wont show up” and then turn around and say “Well you know when Vince is the only player stepping up you’re in trouble”. Dude is damned if he do, and Damned if he don’t. Perhaps Hedo, a known problem for the C’s would have helped us size wise, but this is a better built team compared to last year. I just dont know if we lose because of one lost matchup.

I definetly with the analysts yesterday that the run towards the end was Fool’s Gold, and I didnt like the idea that Orlando seemed unfazed by the loss because of it. There are still a variety of matchup issues that I dont know if we can overcome. And considering Garnett and Rondo had somewhat quiet games, its scary to think that this could have been a 30 point hole at one point much like Cleveland went through, had those 2 showed up. The sad reality is, Boston didnt play that well either, and they still kicked our ass. Very reminiscent of the Detroit Series of 2007 and 2008.

I’m not very confident of the rest of the series out. I do believe we win Game 2, but Games 3 and 4 in Boston are gonna be a challenge. Right now I can see us being downed in 6.

My take? Mix up the small lineup that made the run at the end with some twin towers for Dwight. It would probably be best to try and see if we can put Gortart and Dwight together in the lineup at some point to combat and cancel out Boston’s bigs, and then in the backcourt perhaps run a 3 man offense with Carter-Redick-Nelson. Also, as much people dont like him, Brandon Bass is needed for this series. Yeah he maybe a bit of a butterfingers and undersized, but hes still beefy (pause) and scrappy to combat the C’s style of play. I think they need to be match by a younger energetic version of themselves.

As for Rashard Lewis firing threes and Ryan Anderson doing likewise, I dont think it works. The Celtics let the guys shoot their threes knowing they were confident enough to get them to shoot in their uncomfortable spots and closed the gap as much as could be. Live by the 3, die by the 3 for this Magic squad.

I hope we make the adjustments, but if I have to be honest as a Basketball realist first and a Magic fan second, I will be very impressed if we somehow overcome the Celtics this series.

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

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by Wasabi Steak on May 17, 2010 3:08 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Come on man. Giving up on your team after a game1 loss is not being a "realist" - that is more like being a pessimist.

They have the homecourt advantage for now – time for adjustments. That is what playoff-basketball is about.

Remember, Boston is actually playing better on the road than at home. There is still a lot of games left to play.

by tokyo-magic on May 17, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really, they just have a severe matchup advantage at our core

As long as the Celtics don’t have to double down on Dwight, the Magic are in trouble. That’s their whole gameplan. Double down in the paint then kick it out. All these shooters have a hand in their face now. Shard is a prime example of this.

Sheed and Perkins are 2 of the best low post defenders in the league. all you gotta do is push Dwight outside his comfort zone and its a wrap.

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on May 17, 2010 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Magic's offense doesn't revolve around pounding the ball into the post.

It can most certainly thrive without that. Have you ever seen the Magic run a PnR before? Or execute a drive-and-kick to open shooters? I would like to think so, because the Magic do that in every game, and with good results. Leading into this game, the Magic’s starting 5 took Boston’s starting to 5 to task when they played. Sure, it was the regular season, not the playoffs, etc. etc. etc. But the foundation is still there, but the Magic played stupidly for a majority of the game. Oh, and they shot 5-22 from 3 (partly due to Boston’s close-outs on the line, partly due to missing shots the team has been making the past 2 rounds).

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 17, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes lets abandon our entire style of game play because we lost one game by four points.

And obviously if Garnett and Rondo had good games we would have lost by a lot of points. That would have been FIVE players for their team who would have had outstanding games. If ANY team has five good games from players simultaneously, they will always win a game. Combine that with the fact that we only had good games from two (technically three but Marcin did not play enough minutes to contribute a ton) players and that is always the recipe for a blowout.

by MagicMark on May 17, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ray Allen and Paul Pierce had good games

but I wouldn’t say outstanding. Pierce had 5 turnovers and Allen hit just 2 treys. Both of them were offset by Vince and Jameer.

Perkins had just 4 points but 5 turnovers.

by LibNat on May 17, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to recommend this post

you are a realist.

It wouldn’t be impressive if the Magic were to beat the Celtics, unless it’s a sweep or in 5 games. For the Magic, winning the Eastern Conference Finals is nothing. Been there, done that. The Magic have to win it all this year or else the season’s a failure. That’s the mentality everyone has to have.

by LibNat on May 17, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that as Cartrer said, Orlando was took by surprise by the level of the C's play.

Even if both teams were sloppy at the start, Boston’s great defense was backed by a very good offense and that, plus the fact that Orlando’s shots weren’t falling made Magic nervous and gave the Celtics a good lead. People here who criticize VC really shouldn’t. Magic went to him a lot cause he was having a great night and was one of the few in the first 3 quarters to take it to the rim. What was possitive though was that Magic found the way to improve during the game. Nelson came back with great energy, Gortat was great, alone or with Dwight on the floor. I really liked JJ’s effort and even J-Will when he came in in the forth brought that offensive push that he hasn’t done in some time. As it’s been pointed out the Magic should have a better flow from the start. I have faith in Dwight for taking better care of his offense (more PnRs) but I don’t think he needs to be the main focus of the offense in this series. MP and Lewis can’t shoot that bad next time. In a good day, I think Magic has too many weapons for the Celtics to handle and I’m very confident for the next games. My biggest concern is Barnes’ health because even if he doesn’t have a lot of offense his role in the starting line up is key. Give credit to the Celtics for a great game and can’t wait for game 2.

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by 44792212 on May 17, 2010 4:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't understand how he or any one could have been surprised

Didn’t he watch or at least heard of the Celtics-Cavs series? The ECF is not a time to be taken by surprise. The Magic should have been ready.

by LibNat on May 17, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

What an interesting game

I think talent wise the Magic are clearly the better team. Unfortunately, they seemed to have learned absolutely NOTHING from last year’s loss to the Lakers in 5. This is the Eastern conference Finals man! This means that every game is the most important you have played all season. Game 1 was of the absolute utmost importance. Yet the Magic simply did not show up. It reminded me of last year when they were simply taken apart by the Lakers in game 1. Unfortunately for the Magic, losing game 1 in LA was horrible, but not as horrible as losing game 1 on your home court.

The Magic simply do not have that killer instinct. VC played excellent today, but there is a difference between playing excellent when your team is down 20 and there is no pressure on you, versus playing excellent when the game is tied and the pressure is huge. That’s when VC needs to play his game and keep the Magic alive until other players wake up.

This game was lost due to experience (or failure to learn from experience) and killer instinct. The Magic are missing both, and it cost them dearly. This is a horrific loss, and one that they will struggle to come back from. Last year the Lakers lost game 1 to the Rockets, and it took the Lakers to game 7 to finally put them away. The gap between the Magic and the Celtics is tiny in comparison. The lakers also lost game 1 to Denver last year, and this one was much more costly as it almost cost them the series.

The point? The Magic CAN come back and win the series. It is possible, but the odds are now stacked against them. When before you could say the odds were 55/45 in favor of the Magic, now the odds are much closer to 30/70 in favor of the Celtics. That’s how important game 1 was, and the Magic simply didn’t show up.

The Magic simply lack that veteran player with the killer instinct. A Kobe, a Hakeem, a Duncan, etc. The player that shows up when your team is having a bad game and simply does not allow them to lose.

by plyka on May 17, 2010 4:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree except I think VC did play with pressure on him

Because if he played like the rest of the team, the blame is circled on him more. So he definetly played with instinct and urgency and did the same in the other series when it was a cakewalk.

He’s stepped up in good times and bad, I cant complain about him.

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on May 17, 2010 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you really trying to bring this all back to Vince and criticize him again?

You lost, the Magic are a better team with him than Hedo. But here’s the thing… Boston is better than any team the Magic played last year in the playoffs. Yes, they’re better than the LA team in the Finals. Dwight was #1 as far as reasons for the loss, with #1a being the lack of preparation (which goes to Stan… Doc got his guys ready for the game more than Stan did, and he didn’t adjust to getting Dwight on the move more rather than pound the ball in the post). Worry about your own series against PHX, please.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 17, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vince was clutch last night

and absolutely not the reason the Magic lost. He did his part from the start of the game right to the end.

by LibNat on May 17, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

10 assists on 32 FG attempts shows the Magic weren't moving the ball well on offense at all

Also, a combined 6 for 24 shooting from the Magic starting frontline is hard to believe.

I give the Celtics credit for doing what they needed to do to win, but it’s only one game, and only one loss for the Magic.

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by Mike from Illinois on May 17, 2010 5:10 AM EDT reply actions  

That should be 10 assists on 32 FGs made for the Magic

"2010 Orlando Magic Playoff Basketball... Enjoy the Ride."

"Chicago Blackhawks... One Goal... the Stanley Cup"

by Mike from Illinois on May 17, 2010 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few things

Firstly, we can’t make the mistake of assuming we’ll shoot better than that. We averaged 41% from the field against the Celtics in the regular season, and shot 41.6% last night. Yes, you’d expect the threes to fall a little more regularly, but otherwise, that’s the offense we’re playing with.

We need to take care of the ball first and foremost. We need to run the pick and roll more often, especially with Dwight. We need to up our pace a little to take advantage of the older Celtic legs. And we need to play better defense – we can’t let the Celtics outshoot us, because we’re just not going to shoot a high percentage without getting those open shots off double teams on Dwight.

by eltharion_doa on May 17, 2010 5:39 AM EDT reply actions  

For a few Celtics

Perkins is better than Dwight:

Is he? (Dwight better than Perkins)

I think he’s only more effective because he’s a league superstar so he get away with more bullying/pushing/shoving (ie, offensive fouls), but his moves (footwork, positioning, etc.) are maybe a hair better than Perk’s and as a shooter his range is certainly no better.

by Raptorel on May 17, 2010 6:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Another interesting quote
Why is Jeff Van Gundy allowed to call a game his brother is coaching in?

if Van Gundy is an analyst, they ought to balance things out by having Tommy Heinsohn as well

by Raptorel on May 17, 2010 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont see how that's an issue. Jeff if anything tends to be over-critical of the Magic's moves in some games just to bring some balance

In fact before the Finals last year, dude said he wouldnt call Magic games cause they made him too nervous. But hearing him this season he’s been anything but bias.

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on May 17, 2010 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boston fans are the biggest morons ever.

A few weeks ago they were talking about how they were going to refuse to come to any more Celtics games. Now they’re walking on water.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 17, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hes not better than Dwight per se, but he gives him problems and fits by just being a bruiser

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on May 17, 2010 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you read the gamethread

you would’ve seen that I was emphatically NOT one of those people, tyvm. Doesn’t mean I can’t be SAD my team lost.

I'm a girl.

by TheGiantSquid on May 17, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

didn't say you were

just dont get too down from the results of one game….they play a series for a reason and there is no reason to think we can’t still win the series.

by MagicMark on May 17, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go to the Pub!

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on May 17, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Write it at the Pub!

It reads better

"To my Hustlers, heres some motivation: He who has begun is half done, why you waiting?"-NaS

Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.

by Wasabi Steak on May 17, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

People here need to calm down. Take a deep breath.

Folks were really mistaken if you think that the Magic weren’t going to drop a game, or two, or three in the playoffs at some point.

When will folks here stop doubting their team so much? Time and time again this season the Magic have shown that they can battle through a tough stretch and prevail. THIS Magic team has earned that much respect from their fans, if not from anyone else. I wouldn’t get too down on them after this loss.

We got punched in the mouth, okay. But we did NOT give up, and we did NOT go quietly. We started to get more and more rhythm as the game went on. I just felt like we adjusted eventually, it just took too long. I’m not going to make excuses that we had too much of a break. We got beat. Guess what? It happens. It takes 4 wins to advance, this is only 1. Where is our resolve as fans?

Go Magic!

by ggrant on May 17, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

That free throw play at the end was brilliant by SVG and beautifully executed by the players

Three things had to go perfect for that play to work.

1. Carter had to miss purposefully on the right side of the rim and hit the backboard to deaden the bounce a bit, so it won’t go back to the general crowd
2. Gortat had to run across the lane and force Rasheed to stay on him, so that opened up the right side. If you noticed, Gortat didn’t even look at the rim when the ball was released.
3. Nelson swoops in on the now completely open side and lays the ball in

It is only a shame that this play will only work once. Still, that was beautiful to behold, and I cannot wait to see what else is in SVG and the Magic’s bag.

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on May 17, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

OUT COACHED!

The Magic just got out coached. Hell it doesn’t take a rocket science degree to figure out what Boston was going to do and continue to do. The Magic was not prepared. I have oven said the Van Gundy is the best Monday morning quarter back but not before or during the game. Don’t tell me that he didn’t see the damn freight train coming?

by far-way on May 17, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

What's he supposed to do?

There’s only so much a coach can do to prepare his players. The Magic came out completely flat.

And given the way Stan adjusted constantly and got Orlando back to 4 points after being 20 down, I’d say he made some pretty damn impressive adjustments. As he was saying on the sideline, in the first half, we flat out weren’t running our game. We were static, flat footed and careless with the ball. Unless you think Stan coaches them to play like that, I’m not sure what you want – if players aren’t executing, that’s on them. If they are executing and it’s not working, then you’ve got a coaching problem.

by eltharion_doa on May 17, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is everyone giving a pass to Rashard Lewis?

Everyone wants to blame Howard and the Magic “not being ready” for the loss but no one seems to mention Rashard. He must be the most low-profile $120-million athlete ever.

In over 42 minutes of play, he had just 6 points on 2 of 10 shooting, including 0/6 on 3-pointers. On any other team, he would have been ripped. But on the Magic he’s the invisible man.

by LibNat on May 17, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Rashard plays 1 bad playoff game after being one of our biggest performers the last two years,

and now you hate the guy? You’re one of the ones I was commenting on earlier. I never see you here, but you show up when things are bad to rip the team. Enough already.

by pjlawrence81 on May 17, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

What bothers me is not Rashard's no-show last night

but the way people just totally overlook him. It’s almost as if he doesn’t exist, which is fine if he’s some bench player making the league minimum but he’s not. He has one of the biggest contracts in the entire league.

Howard got all the blame last night but no one says anything about Rashard. That’s not right.

Imagine if Vince or Jameer scored just 6 points last night? You think people would have ignored them like they’re doing now with Rashard? Not a chance.

by LibNat on May 17, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rashard has been the best player in the playoffs for the Magic the last 2 years.

The 2nd best player behind Jameer this playoffs. He has some slack before he gets ripped (of course he needs to shoot better, but he still played well overall). Dwight has been wildly inconsistent and is just playing stupidly.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 17, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He gets way too much slack

for someone so important to the team. Dwight, Jameer, and VC seem to get all the criticism (even Barnes gets it for being injured). Just wait until Jameer or VC play badly. You’ll see the difference in how they’re treated versus Rashard.

As for his playoff performances, he scored 8 points in Game 1 of last year’s Finals and 6 points in Game 5. Not impressive.

For some reason, people have either very low expectations of him or they just forget him. He’s just irrelevant.

by LibNat on May 17, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lewis got his share of comments but Dwight got all the heat because

he seems to repeat the same mistakes with the Celtics over and over and that’s not very smart. It’s a match-up that puts him off his offensive game and I certainly hope he’ll deal with that as soon as possible. 7 TOs are just too much. His defense was solid against the same guys with 12 boards and 5 blocks.

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by 44792212 on May 17, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rashard has not been criticized in this thread

Heck, he’s not even mentioned in the recap above except for being lumped in with Vince for missing 7 threes. VC misses one and Rashard 6 and yet somehow Vince gets thrown in there with Rashard.

VC was great last night and kept the Magic in the game.

by LibNat on May 17, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

Lewis was very poor offensively. His contract is moronic (but that’s not his fault).

Happy?

He was great defensively – kept Garnett and Wallace (with Dwight) to 7-23 shooting, grabbed two blocks, 7 boards, as many assists as anyone on the Magic (admitedly that’s 2) and by far the lowest turnover ratio of any Magic starter. He shot 50% from inside the arc, and made both his free throws. OK, he missed his 3s – always a risk when you base a lot of your game on that shot. But otherwise, he had his normal quietly efficient game. Do we need him to score to win? Yeah, probably. Is it smart to throw him under the bus after a game where he did everything but score? I don’t think so.

by eltharion_doa on May 17, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

He led Orlando with steals too, with 3.

WORST PLAYER EVER

by eltharion_doa on May 17, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cut him, Mick.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 17, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's amazing how people gets so defensive about Lewis

When did he become so untouchable and above criticism?

He got 7 rebounds in 42 minutes, which is nothing special and what a power forward should do. Kevin Garnett got 11 rebounds in 34 minutes. He played 8 minutes less but got 4 more rebounds than Rashard (and he’s 4 years older, too). KG also had a 5-0 assist/TO ratio; Lewis made 2 assists, committed 2 turnovers.

There was nothing special about anything Rashard did yesterday. In any case, his bread and butter is offense, not defense. And he came up a zero on that front.

Calling him out for a poor game is not throwing him under a bus. If you read this thread, you’ll see that I’m the only one who actually pointed out how poorly he played yesterday. Even in Ben’s recap above, Lewis is mentioned only in conjunction with Vince, i.e., how they went 0/7 on 3-pointers (even though Lewis was the one who missed 6 of them and Vince only one).

The person who’s been thrown under the bus is Dwight. The blame pie has to be more balanced.

by LibNat on May 17, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yay! I get a reply from Ben. It's like winning the lottery.

Even though Eddy the intern isn’t here anymore, you’re still pumping out so much material (4 alone today!). Kudos to you.

As for Lew, I can’t believe that you’re calling him a role-player. So Rashard Quovon Lewis is a $118-million role-player? Wow.

If AP were to go 0/6 3PT then he would get criticized. People wouldn’t give him a pass.

by LibNat on May 17, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

But again

That’s not his fault.

He’s overpaid, but being paid like Kobe isn’t going to magically turn him into Kobe no matter how much we might want it. There’s nothing we can do about his contract now, so the only thing that matters is what he should be, as a player, not as a contract.

by eltharion_doa on May 18, 2010 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

What does his salary matter?

What bearing does that have to his performance on the floor? None. It’s unreasonable to expect him to perform at a franchise player just because he’s paid like one. Was he supposed to turn down the max deal? Would 2/10 be easier to accept at $10 million than at $18 million? No, because 2/10 is 2/10.

by Evan Dunlap on May 18, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's not Kevin Garnett either

You know who else isn’t Kevin Garnett? Every player in the league except Kevin Garnett.

I’m not going to go into a long detailed analysis of Lewis, but suffice it to say, if you’re comparing him to a) other PFs or b) his contract, you’re wasting your time. He’s just not that guy, and wanting him to be is pointless. All you can do is look at what he did on the night.

He’s not immune from criticism, but because of his stupid contract he gets far more of it than he deserves. He did one thing badly wrong last night – missed his three point shots. Which Ben mentioned.

If that’s not enough, what else do you want apart from having him thrown under the bus?

by eltharion_doa on May 18, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

you made a good point above but now you're being defensive about Rashard again

The Garnett of today is not the Garnett in his prime or even the one from two years ago. During the regular season most people thought that Rashard was better than KG because the latter was old and a shell of himself.

Even before this series, most people thought that Rashard was still better than him or at least the Celtics didn’t have an advantage at the PF position.

But now you’re saying that Garnett is head and shoulders above Rashard? Most Magic fans wouldn’t agree with that.

Lewis gets no criticism—that’s my point and that’s why I brought him up. Because no else would.

I will also criticize Ben now—why would he lump Vince (who played great, was clutch, actually rose to the occasion, and kept in the game) with Rashard when mentioning the miss treys? It would be one thing if VC missed three of them and Rashard four. But that wasn’t the case. Vince didn’t deserve to get equal blame for the missing 3-pointers.

Lastly, no one should be thrown under the bus. But despite Rashard’s awful performance, it was Howard who got thrown under the bus (along with Barnes being injured, Jason Williams, Vince not making enough passes, the team not being ready). Let’s have some balance in the blame game.

by LibNat on May 18, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

the celtics are makin all the other teams star players bad, i wonder what that is? when we (the celtics) played the cavs, LeBron was helpless, and now dwight howard is gettin there too…. :D

by celtsforeva on May 17, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Masters of Panic all over the OPP today.

Someone please let me know when we start the conversation about looking for a new coach, a new GM, and what players to trade during the offseason, because I know it’s coming.

by pjlawrence81 on May 17, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, I do think that we should trade AJ & Foyle plus a 2nd round pick for an all-star small forward

I’m cool with the coach and GM though.

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on May 17, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're giving up a bit much

Just Foyle and the second rounder should get us ’Melo, then the Nuggets can buy out Foyle and we can get him back too.

by eltharion_doa on May 17, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Celtics fan...

I’m not pleased we sucked in the 4th quarter. The Magic should be encouraged by that. I doubt they’ll get over confident after having it laid down to them clearly that the Celtics aren’t just here to play, they are here to win, and big if allowed to (and I mean win in 5, POSSIBLY a sweep, IF allowed to by the Magic). This series isn’t over by any means, so to those who wanted to jump off a cliff, don’t do it yet. While arguably the Celtics didn’t play their best game of the year (contrary to some trolls’ opinions on the ESPN Celtics board), the Magic didn’t either.

Good luck in Game 2.

by Tai on May 17, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Same to you guys too.

I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.

by slickw143 on May 17, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like to see more x/5 pick and roll in game two.

2/5 is the best because Carter is still athletic enough to finish above the rim and not get blocked, but with good enough spacing it should work for anyone, becasue 1. Celts are not leaving Howard, and 2. Celts are not leaving the 3pt shooters. So Carter (or 1-4, yes, even Lewis, didn’t he use to be a 3?) should be able to go to the rim unimpeded. Like he did many times.

by pcnyc on May 17, 2010 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

And I'd like to see the guards cutting to the basket and more offball screens

The thing is, if Dwight isn’t hitting anything in the post and not making his ft, the Celtics don’t double him. So we can’t have 4 shooters standing outside the 3 point line with no movement whatsoever. pepole need to cut to the basket when howard is in the post, that’ll eventually open up the 3 point shooting.
But I don’t think Stan implements his offense like that.

by ranaldo on May 17, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thing with Lewis

Is that running the PnR through him cuts down one of our long shooters to take advantage of teams doubling up.

It’s still something worth looking at, mind, but you have to be aware of the downside.

by eltharion_doa on May 18, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

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