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Why Matt Barnes and Vince Carter Will Cross-Match against Paul Pierce and Ray Allen

After the Orlando Magic's practice today, during which they prepared for the Eastern Conference Finals against the Boston Celtics, small forward Matt Barnes raised some eyebrows when he told the media that he would begin the series covering shooting guard Ray Allen, leaving Vince Carter to cross-match on Paul Pierce. As Tania Ganguli points out in her Tweet, that's a departure from the regular-season series, in which Barnes covered Pierce and Carter took Allen. So why the switch?

On the surface, it doesn't appear to make much sense. Barnes defends better than Carter does, while Pierce is a more dangerous offensive player than Allen in that he's better capable of creating his own shot. That's not to say that Allen is, I don't know, Jason Kapono or something. But Pierce is the more versatile offensive player.

Zach Lowe of CelticsHub tries to sort through it:

Having Barnes chase Ray Allen around saves Carter’s stamina, which he needs to effectively play his role as one of Orlando’s two primary ball-handlers on offense. Both Carter and Barnes are listed at 6′7", so height isn’t an issue. Neither is as fast or quick as Ray, but perhaps Stan Van Gundy believes Barnes’ long arms can help him contest Ray’s shots even if he can’t quite keep up around every single Boston screen.

And as he points out via email, Carter "perked up this season when he ended up on Pierce," so there's also that to consider. Lowe is probably onto something here.

I consulted Synergy Sports Technology to better understand why, exactly, Van Gundy has chosen to make this switch.

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I suspect Van Gundy, who's big into advanced metrics and scouting, may have had a look at these numbers, or something very similar, because they indicate he's made a pretty sound move here.

First, let's consider Pierce. Again, his skill and versatility make him a tough cover, which is why it seems a bit odd that Barnes won't get the assignment at first. But here's a look at how Pierce got most of his offense this season, and how Barnes has defended each of those play types:

PlayerPlay Type%TimePoints Per PossessionRating
(Percentile)
%Score
Pierce
Offense
Pick-
and-
Roll
Ballhandler
18.4%1.018Excellent
(94)
50.0%
Barnes
Defense
17.1%0.937Below Average
(17)
44.8%
Pierce
Offense
Isolation17.9%0.940Very Good
(80)
48.2%
Barnes
Defense
25.6%0.850Good
(51)
40.6%

Pierce gets post of his offense initiating the pick-and-roll, which happens to be Barnes' biggest weakness defensively. He's also not much of an isolation defender. His biggest strength, covering players coming off screens, also happens to align with how Allen gets most of his offense:

PlayerPlay Type%TimePoints Per PossessionRating
(Percentile)
%Score
Allen
Offense
Off Screen31.6%0.968Very Good
(72)
42.6%
Barnes
Defense
8.7%0.658Excellent
(90)
32.9%

So Barnes on Allen--or, if you prefer to word it differently, Barnes off Pierce--makes sense, though the low frequency with which he's had to cover shooters coming off screens might be cause for concern. But what of Carter? Can he hope to cover Pierce? The answer appears to be "yes." Here's how Carter covered the pick-and-roll and isolation plays this year. Refer back to the first chart to see Pierce's execution of those plays:

PlayerPlay Type%TimePoints Per PossessionRating
(Percentile)
%Score
Carter
Defense
Pick-
and-
Roll
Ballhandler
16.1%0.763Very Good
(71)
38.1%
Carter
Defense
Isolation14.1%0.729Very Good
(82)
34.1%

So although Barnes is a better defender overall, Carter's skill set better equips him to cover Pierce. And Barnes' tools counter Allen's quite nicely.

Basketball, to use a cliche, is not played on paper. The teams decide the games on the court. Maybe this analysis will ultimately prove invalid. But based on the season-long performances of all four players in question, Van Gundy appears to have made an excellent move here. We'll see how everything plays out this Sunday, and over the next two weeks.

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Listen, during the regular season I was specifically looking at how Vince does when he's on Pierce both offensively and defensively

And I remember someone saying that Vince plays so good D on Pierce because Pierce has the same age/foot speed as Vince does. I’d say Vince is a bit quicker actually. I loved the way Vince defended Pierce in the regular season, and I had a comment on exactly this matchup a few threads ago (I was saying that Vince should defend Pierce and Barnes should be on Ray Allen).

Barnes is much quicker than Vince and has less offensive usage, therefore he is the right choice of running all out on defense and protect the off-ball screens that Ray Allen is going to come around for a shot. Pierce does that at a much smaller rate and Vince is a much better on ball defender than off screen defender. And, again, he did a great job on Pierce in the regular season.

So I’m happy with this info.

by Raptorel on May 14, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea, you and me were talking about it in another OPP thread. I said and foreboded, while it makes more sense to put VC on PP and Barnes/MP on Allen, I would stick with Barnes on PP for 1 or 2 games bc he will bother him more and keep PP playing rather ineffectively as he’s mostly done in the playoffs, no sense letting him break out against Orlando. I’d be happy with how PP would be covered, or as well as can be, but did worry about VC sticking on Allen and losing energy for offense. SVGs move and Bens analysis just confirms what you thought Raptorel and that I was wrong in even thinking about atleast starting the series with the normal matchups for a game or two.

by derekk on May 14, 2010 8:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I though Gerald Wallace was gonna destroy him and he did ok

oh man Vareajo is bleeding! SO WHAT! BLOOD CLENSES THE SOUL-JVG

by D-RAK on May 14, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

This makes a lot of sense.

Let’s hope it works out the same way on the court. One thing many writers have stated is different about Vince this year is his “gives a crap” defense. I have also noticed this, and I feel comfortable with Vince guarding Pierce.

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by cgsimone on May 14, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Good Research

The move makes sense and it forces Boston to plan for something else.

Since Paul Pierce is more aggressive than Ray, it could force VC to be more engaged in to the game. Ray Allen can lull you to sleep. VC watch-out for the up fake.

I agree with Lowe, I don’t VC chasing Ray around.

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by Wmillion on May 14, 2010 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah VC guarding Ray would eat a lot of VC's offense

Didn’t see Vince jump up for the pump fake too often

by Raptorel on May 14, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

“So although Barnes is a better defender overall”
Alright, if Carter is better at isolation and P&R defense than Barnes, and Barnes hardly ever defends shooters coming off screens, what is Barnes good at defending? What does the remaining 50% cover?

by Perfundle on May 14, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Vince loves to guard Pierce.

Always has. They were in the McDonald’s game together, went off in the dunk contest (you probably can guess who won), came out after their junior seasons, were the top 2 swingmen in the 90’s strongest draft class, and have played in the same conference for 11 seasons now. So you could say there’s some history.

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by ben_gleicher on May 15, 2010 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Or ’99. Brand, Francis, Baron Davis, Odom, Rip, Andre Miller, Matrix, Terry, Maggette, Artest, Posey, Kirilenko, Giricek, Ginobili…sure, there were the usual busts in that draft as well, but there were a lot of solid players in that draft.

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by The Dark on May 15, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

'96 : 7 all stars and 3 MVPs + 2-3 great role players. That was sure a good year.

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by 44792212 on May 16, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT : Phil Jackson does it again n' again n' again

After going at Kevin Durand and his “generous treatment from officials”, Phil went on to say that Steve Nash carries the ball too much. Lol Phil.

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by 44792212 on May 15, 2010 5:58 AM EDT reply actions  

nba.com posted the synery match-up analysis. Very interesting numbers.

here’s a link. You need to install sylverlight I think.

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by 44792212 on May 15, 2010 7:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Pierce leeds Cs offense with 19.2% during the reg season series and VC Magic's with 22,4%

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by 44792212 on May 15, 2010 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

On defending Rondo Magic has been good at setting feet and get charges. Especially Jameer.

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by 44792212 on May 15, 2010 7:29 AM EDT reply actions  

All that makes a lot of sense...

…but I honestly thought this is how they’d match up anyways. My reseasoning came down to simply not wanting Carter to have to run laps around the floor to keep up with Allen, which could tire him out on offense, where he will certainly be needed.

When I was watching the Cavs/Celts series I was so torn. I wanted LeBron out of the playoffs asap (smug rubs me the wrong way), but I also felt the Magic matched up much better against the Cavs than the Celts.

As it stands, the match ups look so even it’s crazy. I’m not sure you could hand-pick two teams in the NBA that match up as well as these teams do.

Barnes v. Allen
Carter v. Pierce
Nelson v. Rondo
Lewis v. Garnett
Howard v. Perkins

God, what potential for an amazing, knock down drag out series right there!

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on May 15, 2010 7:41 AM EDT reply actions  

OT : another OT from nba.com, sorry

Marion Jones will join the WNBA. Even if she’s like the Witney Houston of sports, I wish her luck. I also read that
the minimum sallary in the WNBA is $35.000. WTF, show those girls some love, that is just a ref trash talk fine in the NBA.
Excuse me for all the OT talking, I can’t wait till sunday.

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by 44792212 on May 15, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Not here to troll

While the Celtics are my team, and naturally I want them to win, I have a lot of respect for the Magic and I am really looking forward to what has the potential to be a great series.

by faithfulcelticfan34 on May 15, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

love the picture of Vince kneeing Pierce in the gonads.

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by NC Magic Fan on May 15, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

After beating the Cavs 3 times this season...

and watching them struggle against the Celtics, I wish my Bobcats would have fell a spot and played them in the 1st round. We could have upset them and then eventually played you guys with more momentum and experience. Not that we’d have won, but might have prevented the sweep.

Oh well… It’s your Championship to lose this year.

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by ElBacano on May 15, 2010 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I almost wish so as well

As then people wouldn’t discredit the Magic for beating a very tough opponent. I can’t believe how short people’s memory is, as no one wanted to play the Bobcats in that first round.

by Eric9321 on May 15, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

PDX TO MCO!

Wife surprised me with plane tickets and game 3 tickets. For my Birthday.

Wife selection: WIN!

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by BS Patrol on May 15, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

oops game 2

I know Orlando’s stupid inferiority complex leaks into the Fans. We are in the Eastern Conference Finals we should be on the road right?

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by BS Patrol on May 15, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyway, to quote from the cavs blog
Antawn Jamison and Shaquille O’Neal is the perfect frontline — for an Orlando series. Shaq would have done a good job against Howard defensively, and Jamison would have been able to guard Lewis on the perimeter. The problem is that the Cavs didn’t get to play Orlando, and Boston absolutely murdered this frontline.

I agree with that.

by Raptorel on May 15, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe my memory's going in my old age...

But when did Jamison show any interest in guarding the perimeter as a Cav? Rashard was 2-9 from 3 point range when Jamison was a Wizard. Against Cavs Jamison, Lewis shot 5-11.

I’m also not sure how Shaq’s supposed to be a Dwight-stopper. He “limited” Dwight to 17.3 points per game, which was a whole 1 point below his average. He did reduce Dwight’s rebounding average by 2 per game, but that doesn’t really scream defensive stopper to me.

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by The Dark on May 15, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing Shaq can do against Dwight

in a playoff series is get fouls called against Dwight on defense. With his reputation, he still gets called, even though his moves have degraded to basically the bull charge. If he gets the calls a few times, it gets Dwight limited on the end where he is most important, the defense.

by Eric9321 on May 15, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news. Kenny Smith says Boston in 6! :D

I’d be worried if it were any other way. He also says that Doc makes better adjustments than SVG. /lol

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by North of the South on May 15, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll never forget that he had the Magic in upset alert against Charlotte and Atlanta.

Saying that, yes, the Magic were supposed to win, but that if any elite team was in for an upset it was Orlando.

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by North of the South on May 15, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wasn't that far fetched

I personally would have said that Boston would have been the most likely upset in the first round of the east playoffs. Cleveland was absolutely not going to lose to Chicago, and Atlanta should have swept Milwaukee, but they lost focus. Obviously, I didn’t think we would have a ton of problems with Charlotte.

by MagicMark on May 15, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are prepared

We have wheel chairs, canes and walkers in the visitors locker room to make you guys feel right at home.

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by NC Magic Fan on May 16, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

So I guess we should start "worring" then

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by funny80sguy on May 16, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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