Orlando Magic 92, Charlotte Bobcats 77: the Morning After
by Evan Dunlap on Apr 22, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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Eddy came away impressed with Orlando Magic guard Vince Carter's pick-and-roll performance against the Charlotte Bobcats last night, particularly in the third quarter.
Carter was involved in the 2/5 pick and roll with [Marcin] Gortat or the 1/2 pick and roll with [Jameer] Nelson on almost every possession and the results speak for themselves.
- Carter, Howard Come Through in Game Two Win
Philip Rossman-Reich of Orlando Magic daily agrees, saying "everything began to slowly open up for Orlando offensively" once Carter decided to go into attack mode.
- Orlando Magic dispatch Charlotte Bobcats 92-77; Magic lead series 2-0 - Rufus on Fire
David Arnott of Rufus on Fire pretty nicely summarizes how the game went for Charlotte.
In the end, very little went well for the Cats, as they were outplayed from the tip -- not dramatically so, at any particular moment, but decisively over time.
- For Magic, it’s a no-win complaining about refs – Orlando Magic BasketBlog – Orlando Sentinel
Brian Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel says the Magic should just stop complaining about the officiating in this series.
The chances of making any headway in this battle: zero.
The chances of the Magic backing off their stance: none.
He goes through the considerable list of grievances Orlando's had in this series. Eye-opening.
- Charlotte Bobcats hope to be more physical at home against the Orlando Magic - OrlandoSentinel.com
Tania Ganguli, a colleague of Schmitz's at the Sentinel, reports that the Magic aren't the only team in this series that feels the officiating hasn't been fair.
"In Game 1 [Dwight Howard] was blocking shots, so we tended to shoot jump shots," [Gerald] Wallace said. "In Game 2 we weren't getting fouls, we weren't getting the same calls they were getting, so we tend to shoot jump shots. We can't do that. We gotta stick to our principles and do what we do."
Bobcats coach Larry Brown is upset as well. "Maybe we gotta get more respect," he said, reports Ganguli.
- One offensive burst from DPOY enough for Magic - ESPN
Yet another story about officiating, this time from Chris Sheridan of ESPN.com, who runs down of all the problems representatives of both teams had with it last night.
- Turnovers dig Bobcats a 2-0 hole - CharlotteObserver.com
Many Bobcats players attribute their team's low-scoring, high-turnover performances in Games 1 and 2 of the first round to "panicking in the face of the Magic's defensive intensity," reports Rick Bonnell of the Charlotte Observer.
- Bobcats need a better start, or they're finished - CharlotteObserver.com
Scott Fowler of the Charlotte Observer details how poorly the Bobcats played on offense at the start of Game 2.
Of the Bobcats' first 13 possessions, they failed to score on 12. They turned the ball over six times. They shot an air ball.
In light of the Bobcats' consecutive slow starts, "a four-game sweep by Orlando looms as a realistic possibility, writes Fowler.
- Magic Use Depth to Run Over Bobcats -- NBA FanHouse
Tim Povtak of NBA FanHouse writes that Magic coach Stan Van Gundy is going against the grain by using a 10-man rotation in the playoffs, and notes that "the Magic played 10 guys nine minutes or more" in each of their first two postseason contests.
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I think it's safe to say that the 1/2 PnR with Vince and Jameer is like the "secret weapon" of the Magic offense
Well, not that secret since it’s been used against the Cavs in the regular season and now the Bobcats in the playoffs, but it seems every time they do it good things happen.
We’ll see what kind of defensive schemes the opposing coaches will pull to counter this.
Yeah I would have to agree...
It is almost unstoppable….almost. The pick and roll is, I think, one of the most difficult plays to guard especially with very above average ballhandlers/shooters..
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Apr 22, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The Magic's depth is a key reason that they get a lack of respect in the media.
The media wants to tell stories when it comes to sports. They don’t like to just throw up a box score and let that be that. They want to tell you the story of the game. In any good story, there’s always a protagonist. The stronger the protagonist, the stronger the story. That’s what makes teams like Miami and Cleveland so easy to cover and write stories about because you’re following a very obvious and strong protagonist. The Magic aren’t really like that, since it varies from game to game who the main scoring threat is.
A good example is Game 2 against the Bobcats and the performance of Vince Carter. Those of us who follow the team and are accustomed to their style of play and balanced scoring thought Vince was tremendous. He was great for all of the reasons Ben and Eddy outlined in their recaps. But if you read the national coverage, he was ho-hum and the feeling is that he has to play much better for the Magic to excel. They are reporting this because they want to write a story about him where he is the main character, and on this team that isn’t necessarily the case.
I think for local writers and fans, the Magic’s style of play and depth is beneficial because it gives you more players to follow and root for. It also makes the stories more interesting and varied from night-to-night. But on a national level, I can see how it would be very frustrating and I’m sympathetic.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Wow that actually makes sense. Never thought of it like that. I’ve always felt that the Magic don’t get the respect they deserve because talking about Lebron, Kobe and the Celtics simply makes more money.
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by Blacktigra on Apr 22, 2010 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I actually get bored
watching Cleveland, Miami or LA when LeBron, Wade or Bryant start doing the one-man-show business (although Kobe is not as bad as the other two). I really think a big part of the Magic beating Cleveland last year was the predictability of LeBron hogging the ball. I much prefer to watch good team basketball with picks and passes over watching a superstar dribble.
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."; Carlos Boozer
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Apr 22, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
That was very well written
I never really thought about it that way. I could see how writing about us can get boring, when no ONE player drops 40 and shoots 70% for the media to gobble up…But as a Magic fan, I love the fact that our team is so well balanced.
by Dome of the Rock on Apr 22, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats what I've been saying....
The 1/2 Pick and Roll is our best play, there are not many back court combinations that can hang with Jameer and VC. So now that SVG and the boys have used it effectively the question is: Will we keep using it or will we think of it as a secret weapon to be used against the NBA’s elite (ECF and NBA Finals)? I say we use it until it doesn’t work any more. Then again I’m not in charge either.
by The Magic Man on Apr 22, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
it's not a secret weapon.
a secret weapon would be pogo sticks on Rashard Lewis’ shoes.
it’s just a very effective weapon in SVG’s arsenal to throw against any team. I don’t really advocate its use, at least not as much as the 1/5, or the 2/5.
I'd use it, but it takes Howard out of the offense
It’s great to use it when Howard is on the bench though, or when Howard can position himself for an offensive rebound just in case Vince or Jameer miss the shot.
I wonder what would happen in a 1/2 PnR and THEN a 2/5 PnR again. Basically, Vince picks for Jameer, rolls a bit towards the basket, Howard comes and sets another screen for either Vince or Jameer and rolls.
This means that Jameer is either going to penetrate and pass it to Dwight for the dunk, with Vince fading towards the baseline three point shot, or that Vince can penetrate with Dwight positioned for the offensive rebound, or that Vince can pass it to Dwight or or or. So many good things could happen in this scenario.
Bobcats just aren't good enough.
But the effort on the part of the Magic is pretty pitiful. The type of play I have seen the first two games isnt going to get you to June. Magic fans…just be thankful we aren’t playing Boston in the second round. Do you guys think that the time in between games is having a negative effect on the Magic…making it difficult for them to get in a playoff rhythm?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
That just means you are playing one of the best defenses in the league
Luckily you have them playing like school girls offensively
Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.
That's because the Bobcats are, you guessed it, playing one of the best defenses in the league.
You have two equal defenses, but one of the teams has a significantly better offense than other. What team is going to win that battle?
I hate Varejao.
Don't sell the Bobcat's defense short.
A big part of the perception of “lack of effort” is good hard-nosed defense and man-handling Dwight. The Magic will not see as good a defense in the next round.
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."; Carlos Boozer
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Apr 22, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t feeling like it was a lack of effort on the Magic’s part, just that their offense was a bit stagnant. However we do it, I want the sweep…bouncing a defensively sound team like the Bobcats is always a good thing.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
I must say you guys have intimidated the bejeesus out of the Bobcats offensively.
77 points? What was that? While I didn’t think the Bobcats would win the series, I thought they’d at least keep it a lot closer. They look so hesitant and out of character. Whether it’s playoff nerves or you guys flexing your muscles… It’s looking more and more like a 4-5 game series. Touché!
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MJ was so disgusted with the "Cats offense he elected to fold towels instead of watch the game
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
AWESOME!!!!!!!
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Apr 22, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Thought you guys would get a kick out of that one
I also took a funny one of Guokas laughing at Capt Jack’s eye patch.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Was MJ’s son wearing a Lakers hat by the way?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
No, it's one of those "The Hundreds" bomb hats
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
It is a matter of talent.
Charlotte has to very good player, Jackson and Wallace, one good player, Felton, and a collection of odd pieces and parts. There just are not enough good/very good pieces to compete.
On the other hand Orlando has four All Stars (Howard, Lewis, Nelson and Carter) and seven other good pieces. In fact, 5 of the Magic bench players could be starters on some other teams.
Contrary to popular belief, determination and effort will not overwhelm superior talent.
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."; Carlos Boozer
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Apr 22, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not that your offense is better
Because you’ve only had one really good half offensively.
It’s because Charlotte isn’t getting to the foul line. And that’s where they get a large chunk of their points, slow down the tempo, and where Brown makes subtle adjustments. But they seem hesitant to attack the rim, not making their cuts, and Diaw’s not getting his typical assists in the paint.
Not attacking the rim when you’ve done it all season, has to be due to nerves.
Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.
* I'm not saying your offense isn't better than the Bobcats. I'm saying that's not the main reason you are 2-0.
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But it is 50% of why we're up 2-0.
The other 50% is the Magic’s swarming defensive and Dwight’s intimidation.
I hate Varejao.
If that's true then it means you rolled over the game we won in Orlando
I mean since it’s all about you
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by ElBacano on Apr 22, 2010 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Congratulations for not being swept in the regular season, now go away.
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
You mean the game our second-best defender sat out with a sprained toe?
The one where Lewis and Nelson combined to go 3-17?
The one where our bench scored 12 points as part of a 9-man rotation (instead of the 10-man rotation we’re using)?
The one where we were still experimenting with Brandon Bass instead of trusting Ryan Anderson?
Yeah, keep hoping that game was the real Magic. (little hint for ya, buddy: it wasn’t)
Honor is no substitute for victory.
C'mon, everyone knows Howard is your entire defense
Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.
And everyone knows the Bobcats suck
What’s your point?
Honor is no substitute for victory.
It's what experts refer to as a "fluke".
As “The Dark” already illustrated. Sorry, your team isn’t as good as you think. And they drew their worst match-up possibility in the first round that they could have. Why are you doing this again?
I hate Varejao.
It's what trolls do...........
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Apr 22, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No, there are a lot of Charlotte fans that feel this way.
He’s not outlandish enough to be a troll. If he’s intentionally trying to troll, he needs to step his game up, because this is the playoffs. Don’t bring that weak %@#! in here.
I hate Varejao.
Then how'd they beat Cleveland 3 times this year?
You know the Cavs… the team you’ll never get by in the playoffs???
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omg you're back!! *claps hands*
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Apr 22, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not only are you a troll, but you're dick riding Lebron and the Cavs now.
I’m sure you were spewing that same rhetoric last year.
It’s a shame your team isn’t and won’t be very competitive in the near future with Jordan giving his input on player personnel. I too would be lashing out at fans of superior teams if all I had to look forward to was a future of being a low seed in the playoffs, getting eliminated in the first, or if miraculously lucky, in the second round.
My sympathies to you and your fan base
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Apr 22, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bobcats joined the Knicks and Bulls as the only team to lose to the Nets twice this season
I’m really not sure what you’re trying to accomplish with your comments here.
The Cavs got beat by the Magic in the playoffs last year...
Y’know, the team that’s beaten the Bobcats what, 15 out of the last 17 times they’ve played? Again, if you really are trying to troll, UR DOIN IT RONG.
I hate Varejao.
Van Gundy is one of the best defensive coaches in the league. Dwight one of the best defensive players.
Given time to make adjustments in a series, it’s going to be ugly. I didn’t feel like a lot of those turnovers in the first half were unforced. If you watch the tape, the Magic’s defense is just collapsing on any penetration, or Dwight is forcing someone to think twice about becoming another statistic. That’s forcing the penetrator to change his mind at the last second, instead of going for a shot, throwing out a panic pass that, more often than not, isn’t accurate.
I hate Varejao.
Over on RoF someone posted
But we wanted to give you guys a fight. When your squad moved on to the next round we want them to feel like their next opponents were easier to beat than the Charlotte team they just finished up with. We wanted your team to be bloody and challenged. We wanted them to be carrying hard-won momentum.
I’d say he’s pretty on the mark with that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nun5FZTZqis
I think it's glaringly obvious to anyone with eyes
That the officiating is horrible on both sides. I wonder if other teams are having this many problems. Maybe it’s just the playoff atmosphere that makes everything worse.
I'm a girl too.
That'll be $35,000 please.
Stern say no more negative comments about the refs. Bad for the game.
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."; Carlos Boozer
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Apr 23, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
That's for the coaches and the players only.
If I had $35,000, he sure as hell wouldn’t be stealing it outta my pocket. He acts like he owns everything!.
I'm a girl too.
On the topic of national media
I just read on TrueHoop an article spouting the same old tired stuff about Vince when I came upon something interesting in this sentence, quoted verbatim from the peice:
"He finished Game 1 having made four of his 19 shots, to go with six turnovers. He missed all five of his 3-pointers."
Hmmm…I thought, I don’t remember Vince having a bunch of TOs. I check the box, and sure enough, he had none. Zero. Not one. Can anyone explain how someone who supposedly watches these games so closely, with such expert eyes, and then is paid by ESPN to write about it, could possibly confuse six turnovers with zero? Really, this is such an embarrassing error, I was tempted to sign up with ESPN just to lambaste Abbott. This is proof, if you ask me, that not only did Abbott not watch the game, but he has real difficulty interpreting NBA box scores.
check it out:
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/15240/the-two-faces-of-vince-carter
Matching up columns and rows are hard.
I hate Varejao.
Dyslexics of the world untie!
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."; Carlos Boozer
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Apr 23, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
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