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Could Otis & Dwight get LeBron to Orlando this summer?

We are all familiar with the chatter about whether or not LeBron stays in Cleveland or hits the free agent market.  Teams have cleared cap space to make a run at LBJ (and/or Dwayne Wade, Joe Johnson, Chris Bosh, etc.).  Lately, commentators have questioned whether or not the teams that cleared out cap space can offer a roster that gives LeBron better pieces to contend for multiple championships than what he already has in Cleveland.

Secondly, in the comments on a recent thread erivera7 mentioned that JJ Redick could be resigned as the heir apparent at starting SG, but such a move would necessitate getting a premier wing at the SF position.  Who is more premier at SF than LeBron James?  No one.  So, I got thinking about Otis and Dwight making a pitch to LeBron.  And if LBJ wants to come play alongside Dwight and the other assembled pieces in Orlando, what kind of pitch would it take to Danny Ferry to get him to pull the trigger rather than just telling LeBron, "don't let the door hit you on the way out"?

So, let's say LeBron wants to play with the young, dominating big man, Dwight Howard, without state income tax, in a brand new arena, on a team put together for multiple championship runs with a serious/elite coach....that's already defending its Finals' title (okay, okay, that last one is still TBD).

To get LeBron, Otis ought to be willing to part with anyone not named Dwight.  Right?   This offer is pretty tilted for Cleveland, but this is LBJ, so in the final analysis, ORL gets the better package.  Nonetheless, even with LeBron in the driver's seat as far as the Cavs, I'm leaning toward making it sweet for CLE to avoid losing the deal to one of the cap-cleared teams.  With this, Danny Ferry doesn't end up looking like such a jerk, because (1) LeBron himself pushes the issue, and (2) the Cavs get something in return.....small consolation for setting up another team in the East for a dynasty.  And, I recognize that one reason Ferry would not do this is that it would upset the "balance of power" in the East, but not significantly more than letting LeBron team up with Bosh, Wade, or Amare on one of the cap-cleared teams.  Just throwing it out to get the OPP community's feedback.

Here's the package:

Star-divide

  • Take on Antawn Jamison's contract (I said it tilted toward CLE, didn't I?)
  • Vince Carter ($17.3M in 10/11, $4M buyout in 11/12)
  • $3M Cash towards the 11/12 buyout of Carter's contract (thus giving CLE one year of Carter instead of two years of Jamison)
  • Marcin Gortat (young, experienced defensive center/PNR player fills the hole left by the expirings of Shaq/Big Z)
  • Ryan Anderson (3-point shooting PF on a rookie salary....per36 numbers have been better than Rashard Lewis.  I know few OPP faithful want to give up Ryan, but again, this is LeBron we're talking about.)
  • 2010 1st round drafted player (CLE essentially recovers completely from the Jamison deal)
  • Potentially give TPEs (from the Hedo TPE) for Telfair or Gibson (prefer Gibson) AND Moon or Parker to get CLE out of their contracts.  Cannot do Gibson + Moon since it is just over the total of the TPE, but the other combos work.

Essentially, Vince, Gortat, Anderson, 2010 1st, TPE for LeBron, Jamison, Telfair or Gibson, Parker or Moon


CLE saves another ~$4.5 million off the cap (giving them close to $10M for the summer, plus the TPEs) and has 6 expiring contracts for the summer of 2011 (marked with an "x" in the depth chart below).

CLE
Williams/Gibson
xCarter/xWest/xGreen
xJawad Williams/xMoon
Hickson/Anderson/xPowe
Gortat/Varajao (or Varajao/Gortat)

+ $10M Free Agent(s) & ORL's 1st round pick

ORL
Nelson/Williams (re-signed)/Telfair (or Gibson)
Redick (re-signed)/Parker (or Moon)
LeBron/Pietrus
Lewis/Jamison
Howard/Bass/vet 7ft'er

At this cost, if Barnes opts out, he'd have to be let go.  Orlando goes deeper into the tax next year, but boy can they sell out the new arena and count on playoff ticket sales each year.

I know if this happened many would say we would have been better off just signing Hedo.

And, yes, I know it is a little early for off-season threads.  Oh well.  Wanted to get Otis thinking about this daydream early.

This FanPost was made by a member of the Orlando Pinstriped Post community, and is to be treated as the opinions and views of its author, not that of the blogger or blog community as a whole.

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no way Cleveland does that they will not just send lebron to a rival contender, plus the only way i see lebron signing with us is for the MLE and that’s if he thinks he’ll get rings here

by doublettoluca on Mar 10, 2010 1:08 AM EST reply actions  

i agree. maybe the idea is lebron demands this sign-and-trade?

and cleveland takes it in order to not go home empty-handed?

of course, lebron wouldn’t do that.

by kerem on Mar 10, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Detroit sent Grant Hill to us in a S&T

Agree a S&T to a rival is rare, but not impossible.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 10, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

LeBron wouldn't sign for the MLE.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

we're taking on a lot of their players as well in your dream deal

when KG went to the Celtics, it was like him, then half the C’s squad back then in return

by RL Magic on Mar 10, 2010 1:49 AM EST reply actions  

Only potentially taking other players...

might be better stated, “taking on other players,” ‘cause if the Cavs are going to have to rebuild after losing LBJ, then they’ll want to dump as much of their least-used/valued “assets” as possible…..quickens the rebuilding process.

Jamison’s contract would just be a burden. Gibson is the next biggest contract for a bench player. Telfair, Moon, and Parker are just role players….moving them to ORL would clear cap space.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 10, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 10, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd give anything to have a Dwight-LeBron tag team.

But unfortunately it won’t happen. It just won’t. We’re doing pretty well with what we have going right now.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 10, 2010 2:11 AM EST reply actions  

Short answer: no.

Long answer: noooooooooo.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Mar 10, 2010 3:46 AM EST reply actions  

nooooooooo

i hate lebron and i think d12 hates him too. we dont need anyone right. all we need are a young combo guard and sf

in OTIS we TRUST...

by Hbkid on Mar 10, 2010 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

Dwight doesn't hate anybody.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 10, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS IS TRUE.

Continuing head of the Eric Berry and Puffy Rod bandwagon.
New head of the Matthew Barnaby Bandwagon!!!

by 4QB on Mar 10, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you know? Did you ask him?

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Sarcasm,Eddy.

Continuing head of the Eric Berry and Puffy Rod bandwagon.
New head of the Matthew Barnaby Bandwagon!!!

by 4QB on Mar 10, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL, likewise.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

LeBron, Dwight, and yeah.

Really wouldn’t even matter. I think Dwight and LeBron would be able to bring out the best in each other, and their games would complement each other perfectly. I mean, the most dominate perimeter player and the most dominate inside player. The most dominate offensive player and the most dominant defensive player. Not to mention the fact they’re both elite on the other side of the ball as well. And they’re both physical freaks who could play almost the entire game if necessary.

Yes, title favorites for the next 5 years until they log 1200 games played and start to break down like KG.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 10, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

This is not correct. Dwight does not hate LeBron. He likes him.

Way to make something up that isn’t true in any sense of the imagination.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Dwyane Wade and Dwight Howard together would be pretty much the same effect, title favorites IMO.

by derekk on Mar 10, 2010 8:49 PM EST reply actions  

But either Wade or LBJ is ok :P

by derekk on Mar 10, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you serious? You do realize that LeBron is younger and the better player?

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

don't* like LeBron. I have a weird dislike for him, can't get over it.

But, he is deff the best player in the league right now,and I wouldn’t take that away from him. Not everyone can love him, why would that be fun?

by GoMagicGo on Mar 10, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, at least you're honest. I'll give you that.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel the same way

Everyone around me tells me how great he is and that i have to love him as a ball player. I believe he has incredible talent and dont hate him like young afro kobe, but i just can’t stand him. And if he wins a chip he’s gonna be the most arrogant guy on the planet

by ends on Mar 15, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the purpose of this post was to encourage discussion and it has.

Even though the idea of LeBron James joining the Orlando Magic is beyond unrealistic.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2010 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

Dwight and Dwayne

Just saying those names together makes me feel like I have a speech impediment. lol

Maybe you know Judo, maybe I know Smith and Wesson.

by NC Magic Fan on Mar 11, 2010 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

In a word, no.

The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.

by ben_gleicher on Mar 11, 2010 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

What?! You don't want to follow Vince as a Cav? ;-)

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 11, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Won't happen. The Magic are still going to be over the salary cap.

And Kevin Durant won’t be available. Why? The Oklahoma City Thunder will lock him up before then.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 11, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't jinx it. IF.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 12, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Otis say the exact opposite of this?

I believe the quote was something like “Even when we win the title, I’m still going to shake things up.”

by TheRevTy on Mar 15, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Otis will improve the team as he sees fit.

I’m just saying don’t jinx the possibility of the Magic winning it all this year.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 15, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen the movie Alice in Wonderland?

Have you seen the movie Alice in Wonderland? Yes/No; well I think that it could more real than this article………

by roger40 on Mar 13, 2010 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

Durantula or D-Wade Flash

 would be better … Durant is less of a stretch to the imagination in 2 yrs for the right pieces … again would be a huge shake up, which isn’t really Otis’ Modus Operandi

by QBallWhitey on Mar 15, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

And D-Wade is too old....makes me fear another Lewis contract.

With a production drop off. Not a fan of getting Wade on a 5-6 year deal.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 15, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except you can on some levels....

I know they are drastically different talents, but I’m still concerned about the potential for Wade to drop off due to age: http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/01/20/for-prime-out-loud/

Lewis was arguably the #2 available free agent in 2007 (and a wing player to boot) when he was 27/28 years old (Wade is 28 right now). Signed to a 6-year max deal. Just today there is a post questioning Lewis’ production and wondering if it is due to age.

Granted Lewis had 2 more seasons at that point then Wade has now. (617 v. ~470 games in their career in the summer of free agency). But no one can deny that Wade plays a more reckless style than Lewis ever has, so concerns about his body breaking down in old age have some merit.

Using SCHOENE, Pelton projected 14.1 WARP for Wade in 2011. But this season he is only at 10.1…a drop from last year’s full season.

I don’t know as I’d give Wade a 6-year deal. Five? Probably take the calculated risk that in year 4 he’s not too close to the player he is now. But the risk is that you don’t have to even wait that many years for Wade to break down. Just my $.02.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 15, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lewis might have been the #2 FA

But he was never a franchise player, a max contract player. Wade is – even if he regresses past thirty, he’s going to regress to a solid level, not a below average at his position level.

There’s a higher risk of injury, perhaps, but Wade’s the kind of guy who’ll work hard enough to be Kobe as he ages, not Iverson.

by eltharion_doa on Mar 16, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Point well taken

but, I agree with eltharion_doa , Wade is a franchise player, and well worth the risk.

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by Wmillion on Mar 16, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edit: 2010 WARP @ 16.3 for Wade

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 17, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bosh and Dwight would be very intriguing. I think it would work out extremeley well in such a fantasy scenario.

by derekk on Mar 15, 2010 10:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Could Otis & Dwight get LeBron to Orlando this summer?

Simple answer: No.

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by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2010 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

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