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Orlando Magic 96, Los Angeles Lakers 94

Stifling defense and timely aggressiveness from Vince Carter helped the Orlando Magic hold off the L.A. Lakers, 96-94, in their first visit to Amway Arena since winning the 2009 NBA Finals, with Orlando coming away with its 5th straight win and dealing L.A. its third straight loss for its first three-game skid since acquiring Pau Gasol in 2008. Carter scored 15 of his team-high 25 points in the first quarter, and 10 of them at the foul line, with some hard-nosed drives to the hoop. The Magic prevailed when Kobe Bryant's contested 19-footer bounced off the iron just before the horn, surviving his 18-point, fourth-quarter burst which featured both big shots and baffling decisions. Dwight Howard managed just 15 points on 6-of-14 shooting, but snagged a game-high 16 rebounds. Notably, the Magic out-rebounded the Lakers by a 50-39 margin, and Matt Barnes got physical with Bryant on both ends of the court, as Orlando demonstrated it's become a bit tougher since the Finals. Here's the traditional boxscore, and here's Hoopdata's advanced version.

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TeamPaceEfficiencyeFG%FT RateOReb%TO Rate
Lakers91103.340.3%26.128.67.7
Magic91105.146.6%38.437.521.9
Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average;
red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average.

This game might go down as another instant classic, as the Magic's win over Cleveland two weeks ago proved to be even though it featured neither a come-from-behind win nor a back-and-forth situation, as the Magic led for the game's final 41:08, and L.A. never tied the score. Instead, it was physical, contentious, heated, and well-played on both sides even in the face of some terrible officiating that hurt both teams in different ways. Barnes' tete-a-tetes with Bryant were so engaging and energetic that the journeyman forward's name began trending worldwide on Twitter. Barnes got in Bryant's face after a play, later threw an elbow at him, got in his face again, and even feigned throwing the ball at Bryant's face on an inbounds pass; Bryant didn't flinch, incidentally. In any case, Bryant got his revenge on Barnes by hitting a series of tough shots over and around him, with Barnes' replacement, Mickael Pietrus, an unfortunate recipient of collateral wrath.

Barnes, though, had the final laugh. With Orlando clinging to a three-point lead and 1:29 to play, Bryant tried to take Barnes one-on-one and attempted a dagger three-pointer for the tie. It missed badly. Carter grabbed the rebound and dished to Jameer Nelson, who pushed the tempo. L.A.'s transition defense scrambled, and Bryant lost track of Barnes, who spotted up on the right wing and drilled a crucial three-pointer to boost Orlando's lead to 6. Bryant is often guilty of losing his man in transition and away from the ball, which partially explains how Miami's Quentin Richardson sank 7 three-pointers against him two nights ago. A great find by Nelson and a great shot by Barnes, without question.

Nelson, really, was the key to this whole win. Apart from his 9 rebounds--one shy of tying a career-high--his stats don't really stand out: 15 points on 5-of-14 shooting (0-of-3 on three-pointers), 7 assists, 3 turnovers. However, he ran the Magic's offense extremely well, especially in pick-and-roll situations against the slower Derek Fisher and the frequently clueless Jordan Farmar. He wove in and out of L.A.'s defense, found the open man, and created clean looks for his teammates all night. His shooting percentage suffered due to his teammates' tending to leave him with the ball with the shot clock approaching 0 and forcing him to rush shots. A big game from him, even if not statistically stellar.

If you're Orlando, you're worried about the turnovers, sure. 20 in a 91-possession game, with each starter committing at least 2. I do think, though, that some were truly unique and rare, and not the result of mental error on the Magic's part. Carter got whistled for traveling while trying to throw an inbounds pass from the right sideline. Fisher drew an iffy offensive foul on Rashard Lewis simply by running into his back and falling down. Most puzzlingly, Bennett Salvatore negated Barnes' alley-oop dunk connection with Pietrus on a side out-of-bounds play, ruling offensive basket interference although the ball had clearly traveled to the other side of the rim--as in, it was not above the cylinder--before Pietrus stuffed it home. Now, the Magic caught some breaks as well. My point is not to criticize the officials, but rather to point out how singular some of those turnovers were. I'm fairly confident that a Magic inbounds passer won't get called for traveling again for several seasons.

Dwight Howard's inability to get anything going in the low post is also cause for concern, especially considering how effortlessly he seemed to score against the Lakers in the first game against them this season. 3 of Howard's 6 baskets were tip-ins, and another was a transition slam that Gasol could have avoided were he not busy jawing with a referee at the other end of the floor; Gasol took out his frustration on Howard with a one-handed swat across Howard's arm, an obvious flagrant. Andrew Bynum--when he wasn't seething on the bench due to foul trouble--gave him fits, and Gasol proved to be a worthy defender in the half-court as well. As such, the Lakers never had to send double-teams his way, as they did in January, which made things all the more difficult for Orlando's outside shooters, which in turn put more pressure on Nelson and Jason Williams, his backup, to create those open looks off dribble penetration and the pick-and-roll game.

Maybe there's a sense that Orlando got away with one here. Bryant scored 34 points, yes, but took 30 shots and consistently broke the Triangle offense in order to do so. Meanwhile, Gasol scored 20 of his own on 13 shots, many of them on offensive boards. I don't want to get on the Bryant Is A Selfish Player train, because he did finish with 7 assists, after all, and there are times when it was appropriate for him to call his own number. But I can't help but think a more patient approach on the Lakers' part, with more opportunities for Gasol in the high post, might have resulted in a Laker win.

Tip your cap to both teams for a hard-fought game and well-played defense. I'm not sure how many games Orlando can win when it turns the ball over more than once every five trips down the floor, but the fact that it came through today against the defending champions despite the miscues--grabbing almost 40% of your own misses can offset that--has to be encouraging. Carter's settling for jumpers after the first period? Less so. Nonetheless, 25 points on 10 shot attempts for Carter, which looks good in a vacuum, anyway.

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Woot! This was such a good win!

Barnes is crazy intense and I seriously hope he brings that to the playoffs and the finals. If he could get in LeBron’s face like that, he might get LeBron to hit him. The best part of the game was that inbounding pass with Matt and Kobe. Kobe is steel, I will give him that. It was a hard fought and well deserved win! I hope they keep this momentum going!

by GoMagicGo on Mar 7, 2010 9:11 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I highly doubt LeBron would hit Barnes.

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by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent win today guys...

Even though a Magic loss woulda helped us out, being a Celtics fan I would rather see the Lakers get beat everytime. I was worried for you too as Bennett Salvatore looked like he was a Stern plant sent to rob you guys of a W. Way to shut up the Lakers and their fake, obnoxious fans. See ya in the 2nd round.

by sexyscottish on Mar 7, 2010 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

Well said

Haha, can’t wait. I like your comment about Lakers fans – usually true it seems like. Nice win for the Celts today as well I saw…

by BlueSkyOneCloud on Mar 8, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Good write up

As a fan, I’m glad that Orlando finally, finally got some toughness. I’m not sure if I would want Barnes in front of LeBron though but maybe Bass. It was a good win but one of the worse officiating jobs I’ve seen this year. It just appeared to be too obvious. Maybe they are getting ready for the finals. If the players and coaches can not say anything, who gets to call them out? I’ll say it now, if Lebron does not get a ring this year, Stern will be fired. Thanks for the write up.

by far-way on Mar 7, 2010 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

the officiating was terrible overall

but it seemed like every call that they messed up went against the magic. the offensive interference call is the most ludicrous call i have ever seen in my life.

by MagicMark on Mar 7, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I still say the foul on Mike Bibby (then of the Kings) for putting his face in front of Kobe's elbow a few years ago in the WCF is the most ludicrous call of all-time.

But this one was pretty bad as well, considering it turned into a five point swing.

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Mar 7, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah!

Well, youtube it and you’ll change your mind! lol

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Mar 7, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Congrats and thanks

So my old friend Bennet Salvatore wanted to break LA’s losing streak? Man I really hope I don’t have to see that mobster doing Mavs games in the playoffs. I hate him so much.

by mg4tx on Mar 7, 2010 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

20 turnovers in a WIN over the Lakers?

Wow.

Also Barnes Power lies in the Tats!

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by BS Patrol on Mar 7, 2010 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

Glad to see Ben acknowledging the officiating.

I agree that the calls were awful for both teams.

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Mar 7, 2010 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

Great Win!!!

Screw the tix to the Clipper game. This W is much better (I picked the Lakers so I could have a chance at a consolation prize).

by ggrant on Mar 7, 2010 10:26 PM EST reply actions  

Ref's

Hey can someone explain the goal tending from an inbound pass? I can not find any rule that calls that out. What is it had gone in the basket, would that have been a 3 pointer?

by far-way on Mar 7, 2010 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

“IF instead of it.

by far-way on Mar 7, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Still not right. What if it had gone in the basket, would that have been a 3 pointer?

by far-way on Mar 7, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Its kind of like passing on a free throw

If it was a possible shot, you would see as it a featured inbounds play when there was under a second left … guys could be sideline shot specialists. (Turk could excel in the inbounds three pointer role).

One of many, many dubious calls, including two absolutely phantom fouls on Dwight.

by Half-man Half-gortat on Mar 8, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I couldn't comprehend that.

How do you call a goaltending on something that can’t possibly be a shot. You can’t damn shoot from out of bounds. Consider my mind officially blown.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 8, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn't it a rule that you can't catch an inbound directly over the basket?

I seem to recall that always being listed as one of the changes they made on account of Wilt… and that seemed to be what the announcers’ discussion centered on.

In any event, they weren’t calling it “goaltending”, they were alling it “interference”.

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by 3.3seconds on Mar 8, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

i was at the gane yesterday

AND WE TRULY HAD TO PLAY THE lAKERS AND REFEREES VS. MAGIC

by Vanek on Mar 8, 2010 6:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be that harsh :)

Yes, refs were making alot of mistakes, but honestly, it went both ways.
They slightly preferred Lakers, but that’s something we all expected, and are expecting in the future.
No big deal, I say :)

Stay classy.

by Dzogi on Mar 8, 2010 7:19 AM EST up reply actions  

No, that wasn't the case.

There were bad calls on both sides.

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by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Still doesn't eschew the fact that bad calls went both ways.

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by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah obviously there were bad calls both ways

but if we were counting, the number of times that the incorrect call hurt the Magic was more than the ones that went against the Lakers

wonder if there is any consequences for the refs being so bad? I know that they get graded after every game, or something to that effect. Nothing is ever publicized about any penalties they might suffer.

by MagicMark on Mar 8, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Kelly Dwyer nailed it in his recap.

Don’t expect them to get important assignments in the playoffs.

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by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Great game - excellent win

I love the toughness and fighting spirit we displayed tonight – Matt Barnes was terrific – what a plus for the Magic to have such tenacious player and I think it rubbed off on the rest of the team.
Keep it up boys!!

by Jaxfann on Mar 7, 2010 10:32 PM EST reply actions  

He was spectacular today

Imagine if players blessed with mountains more talent had his drive and tenacity ..

by Half-man Half-gortat on Mar 8, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's an idea

What if Gasol had commited that flagrant to Barnes, instead of Howard?

by Dzogi on Mar 8, 2010 3:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't want to know.

There potentially could have been an altercation on the court if that happened.

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by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I HEAR THAT

i know from now on i will be sportin a Barnes jersey

by Vanek on Mar 8, 2010 6:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Matt Barnes is our hockey player

He’s like Rasheed Wallace reincarnate. He gets into the heads of superstars. btw, ESPN’s early headline was that Orlando “escaped” with a win over LA. Interesting, considering LA never led the game after the first 7 minutes.

by MagicPhan on Mar 7, 2010 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

Game ball goes to Barnes. I love the way he acts out against Kobe and Fisher rather smartly and instills a whole toughness edge for Orlando.

by derekk on Mar 7, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I just finished watching the replay...

I couldn’t catch the game live because it was on at 4am my time, but man… what a game. Matt Barnes should be ORDERED to watch tape of his performance before each big game (against the Cavs, Lakers, Mavs, Nuggets and Celtics) from now until the end of the season [playoffs included]. His aggression was absolutely a key to this win. I would even go so far as to say his intimidation played a big role in Kobe’s scoreless stretches (pre 4th quarter when his insane talent inevitably shone through). His (Matt’s) performance tonight is his new bench-mark. THAT is the standard he needs to try and replicate.

As for Vince – ditto. While he’s clearly not going to make 13-14 from the line every game, that intent that we saw from him (which we’ve also seen against the Celtics and Cavs) is what he needs to hold on to. For him, his effectiveness is measured almost entirely by offensive efficiency and when he can score like he did tonight without having to rely on his jumper (though he did take a few), that’s when he’s at his best.

Outstanding stuff from Vince, Matt, and Jameer. OUTSTANDING result.

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by Rusty_b on Mar 7, 2010 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

What a great game :)) Went with my pops, total Finals-like atmosphere.. Everyone played pretty well, VC needs to keep playing like this in the playoffs. Jameer played great overall, and Barnes/MP really stepped up. 4/9 3PT’s for Ice-O too.
Dwight didn’t have his best offensive game tho, the problem is that help defenders from LA, particularly Fisher, do such a good job of not letting Dwight know if they are coming to double or stick with the shooters. They are at the perfect distance to bother both options and SVG needs to iso Dwight better or something! Just a minor thing as the Magic won anyways, but if Dwight was playing like the first matchup against LA from earlier in the season, then this game wouldn’t have been as close. Also, working on crunch-time plays that eat clock time but also don’t turn into TO’s or bad opportunities- this could be tough to measure properly as it was a good defensive team like LA that also has more experience and chemistry, but still Jameer and VC in particular could work on late game situations/plays so the rest of the team isn’t standing around too much. Just two quibbles to a victory, but as long as the Magic play this kind of D and VC/Jameer play this well, I like the Magic’s chances all the way.

by derekk on Mar 7, 2010 11:32 PM EST reply actions  

Ice was 4/9 from the downtown?

Man, it seemed worse to me, I noticed only 2 side 3s droppin’

by Dzogi on Mar 8, 2010 4:02 AM EST up reply actions  

He missed everything that wasn’t a 3 which is uncharacteristic.

by derekk on Mar 8, 2010 4:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Heck of a game to go to.

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by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

good game

Dwight has go to the body of Bynum, be is too long to give him space.

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by Wmillion on Mar 7, 2010 11:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Great combination of the best game / worst officiating I've ever witnessed.

Thanks to OPP & T-Mobile, had an amazing view of all those ridiculous calls (and non-calls.) Can’t wait to review the tape. Basically, Kobe isn’t good enough to single handedly carry the Lakers. He’s no LeBron James.

Absolutely tremendous level of intensity today. I’ve been to playoff games before that were no where near as competitive as this one. What a treat.

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by ben_gleicher on Mar 7, 2010 11:52 PM EST reply actions  

Glad you were able to enjoy the win in person.

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by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Kobe isn’t good enough to single-handedly carry the Lakers...

…unfortunately, he has one of the 3-4 best big men in the league to work with.

Fortunately, he hasn’t yet entirely realized that.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Mar 8, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget, Dwight got his 14th technical (I think)

Hopefully it gets rescinded. It was kinda unnecessary. Unless he said something REALLY bad, that was nothing compared to everything else going on in the game.

by bandrewg08 on Mar 7, 2010 11:55 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly

I bet you got to hear a lot more of it than what we saw on TV.

by bandrewg08 on Mar 8, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he was just trash talking to Kobe

Not a big deal, but you know how the refs are when it comes to Kobe. I’m actually surprised that Barnes got away with so much today. Loved the intensity though! DH needs to watch those T’s! Only 2 left until suspension.

by GoMagicGo on Mar 8, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Although I am not Trolling, I offically have just started to hate Matt Barnes

Hey, friendly competition is cool, but he just took it over the limit. How he pretended to throw the ball into Kobe’s face and how he started shoving Kobe was not showing very much class. And how was that a double tech on Kobe?!?!? THE REFS SUCKED

by koberules on Mar 8, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Meh, of course we're gonna love Barnes for that and you're gonna hate him

Just like how we (or most of us) hate Pau for overreacting all the time and clubbing Dwight in the back.

But I know if Barnes was on your side, you’d love him too.

Though one guy who was surprisingly absent in all the jawing was Artest. But I guess he made a big enough splash in the game with his hair.

by bandrewg08 on Mar 8, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Considering Kobe's the second most protected player in the NBA

You’re not going to get a lot of sympathy here. Kobe’s completely dirty, he knows how the ball is played between men.

by eltharion_doa on Mar 8, 2010 5:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to second eltharion's post, and add something

Kobe is already well protected, and we are ok with that, that’s the way the sports work.
Now, thing that bothers me is Kobe’s way of staying calm.
To hit a man while he’s dunking, and play innocent, is dirty play.
Now, he stays calm in the crit situations, but you can tell that he’s on the edge too, and does it only because he tries to provoke sensitive players even more, chewing his gum and all :).
But, that’s the part of his greatness, there are many examples of his dirty play, (Artest situation) and he profits out of provoking other players.
Not a hater, just pointing out the facts. Man is experienced and knows his job.

Stay classy.

by Dzogi on Mar 8, 2010 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Kobe gives as well as he gets.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 8, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't want to come off as a hater either

I love Kobe and his intensity, but he always knows what he’s doing.

by eltharion_doa on Mar 8, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

it looked like they called it on barnes initially

then realized it would kick him out being his second, got cold feet, throwing out such a key player in the game, and gave it to dwight instead

by Half-man Half-gortat on Mar 8, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Hah actually just now after a quick highlight of the game...

…they said the Lakers plane was delayed this morning due to mechanical issues. Lol ok.

by bandrewg08 on Mar 8, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was the focus of the entire first highlight package.

Then they followed it up with a (and I’m paraphrasing here), “Stay tuned for later in the show when our experts (lolllll) explain how the Magic’s escape today will not translate into success in the playoffs.” It’s really just comical at this point.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 8, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Jon Barry: "The Magic should beat the Lakers at home".

Even though the Lakers are one of the two “consensus” best teams in the league and the Magic apparently have no chance of getting to the Finals. But of course, he “contends that the Magic are still not as good as they were last year with Hedo Turkoglu”. Blah blah blah. Thanks for nothing as usual, Barry.

I can almost sort of tolerate Reggie Miller and Mark Jackson’s complete lack of insight since they were star players. I can see why a network would hire them. But Jon Barry… he wasn’t even half the player Brent was, who wasn’t even a quarter of the player that Rick was. How someone who was so inconsequential as a player and has so little substance to offer in terms of analysis has a job speaking about the sport, I will never understand.

/endrant

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 8, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I saw that and I just switched channels.

I was like no respect, of course. The end of that sentence is “the magic escape today will not translate into success in the playoffs like it did last year.” I can only guess what they were gonna say. “Turk is better than Carter.” “They need a better PG.” blah blah blah, a bunch of haters, all of them.

by GoMagicGo on Mar 8, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Good Win for you guys

I am a Laker Fan, but NOT trolling. I just wanted to see your guys’s opinion on your win… You guys do show some class, unlike those wretched Cavs and Celts fans. And yes… THE REFFING WAS HORRID for both sides.

by koberules on Mar 8, 2010 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

Great game either way.

Usually I don’t enjoy games where the refs play such a huge part, but the intensity was too entertaining. I’d love to see a rematch in the Finals.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 8, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent game on both sides. An instant classic, to be sure.

Credit the Lakers for staying within striking distance the entire time against the Magic. Orlando had a hand in that by not taking good care of the ball but still, Los Angeles deserves credit for playing a hard-fought game.

Carter and Nelson continue to play well. Jameer didn’t have the most efficient performance on offense but he scored when the opportunity presented itself, was a terror in the pick & roll and as such, did a great job of distributing the basketball to his teammates. I know Matt Barnes is public enemy #1 with Lakers fans but that’s why Dwight Howard wanted him on the team, to bring toughness and scrappiness. Provide intangibles. Gortat played very well in limited minutes and Bass did okay (his defense was a bit better). All in all, a good win.

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by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2010 1:08 AM EST reply actions  

If the Magic had hit half of their misses

it would’ve been much much easier win. I can see Howard missing FTs, but the other guys should not be missing.

by inquisitiveman on Mar 8, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Lakers are the #1 defense in the NBA

You’re not going to shoot 50 and 40 against them.

by eltharion_doa on Mar 8, 2010 6:01 AM EST up reply actions  

i was talking about FT shooting.

if the Magic hit half of their misses, the game would’nt have been that close.

by inquisitiveman on Mar 21, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, VC stepped on the floor SOOO concetrated.

Something broke it up slightly, but he still did superb job.
Prove that February wasn’t a fluke, man.

Stay classy.

by Dzogi on Mar 8, 2010 7:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Carter always has a habit of shooting from the perimeter alot

when he doesn’t really need to now that he is playing with a dominant center. In the first half, he was blowing by Artest and getting to the hoop. In the 2nd half, he settled for jumpers. I wonder why Van Gundy doesn’t get him for doing that. He plays stupid.

by inquisitiveman on Mar 8, 2010 1:41 AM EST reply actions  

What are you talking about? He took 10 shots for the entire game. There were only two shots that I’d classify as ill-advised – the fade away jumper he took after pretty much driving to the hoop, and one contest three. He plays stupid? Truthfully, when was the last time you saw him play?

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by Rusty_b on Mar 8, 2010 6:52 AM EST up reply actions  

*contested

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by Rusty_b on Mar 8, 2010 6:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Carter doesn't play stupid. Far from it.

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by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Not this game.

He’s definitely taken a lot of contested shots in the past — both outside and inside. But why pick on him for it after a game where that wasn’t a problem?

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Mar 8, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

No point.

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by erivera7 on Mar 9, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Barnes, Vince, and Jameer were great.

Everyone else except JJ were at least solid and contributed to the win. Jameer found a lot of open guys for shots, some of them of course did not go down. He went after boards hard too, which was nice. Vince played within himself and I didn’t feel like he forced many shots he didn’t have to. Continued a stellar stretch of basketball since February started.

This is what we got Barnes for. He did the same thing to Pierce and I love it. People talk about how we’re a “finesse team” and are soft, and now we have someone willing to rile up opposing players. He and Jameer were co-players of the game, for me.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 8, 2010 2:02 AM EST reply actions  

JJ really really sucked yesterday

I think he takes an exception to vince playing well and he realizes his starting position has vanished

by Vanek on Mar 8, 2010 6:26 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry JJ

but I’ll take a VC playing well anyday than a JJ playing well

by RL Magic on Mar 8, 2010 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Uh, no.

Redick is all about helping the team win.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

That's kinda harsh.

JJ always puts forth a really good effort. Sometimes his effort doesn’t always translate into baskets, but he is always a good ball passer. I bet he had a couple assists yesterday.

by GoMagicGo on Mar 8, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

JJ's in a bit of a slump

His shot isn’t there right now, but he’s still hustling.

by eltharion_doa on Mar 8, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

And with this, I think it's safe to say the run to the playoffs has officially started.

We’ve played tense games before, but this was on another level… even the last Cleveland game wasn’t this fired-up.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Mar 8, 2010 2:38 AM EST reply actions  

We were pretty intense against the Lakers in January too

Kobe shrugged that one off, but I think he’s taking us a little more seriously now.

The Cavs have the same thing – they absolutely hunted the Lakers both times they played them this series.

by eltharion_doa on Mar 8, 2010 6:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome win!

I’m already vocalizing our song for LBJ.,
Ehem.. (Pardon my voice)
Na na na na, Hey hey hey.. Goodbye…
I think that’s the reason which ticked him off.. LOL

by zakchi on Mar 8, 2010 3:39 AM EST reply actions  

Don't get too far ahead of yourself.

There’s a long way to go in the season.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice write up (as usual)

I won’t speak of the refs, I did that last night. My point is the TOs. They hurt the Magic big but this time they were more because of L.A.‘s defense than just silly losts of focus. I think the team gave a very good effort, and au contraire of other games didn’t gave up the energy even when Lakers came back in the 4rth. The only thing that worries me a bit with LA is that even if Magic beats them on the boards they give the impresson of a size advantage under the rim.
I also thought Nelson was great (Barnes was the man) and wouldn’t consider that LA could take this one.

some times I imagine this team with VC & J-Will at their prime...

by 44792212 on Mar 8, 2010 4:05 AM EST reply actions  

The fourth quarter

Bryant attempted 16 of the Lakers’ 25 shots in that final period (making 7).

Several times in the last 5 or 6 minutes, the Lakers came to within 2 points, but never were able to tie the game because the Magic were able to answer each time. The Magic made 7 of their final 8 shots of the game. Now, if the Magic had been able to make more of their free throws (they made just 7 of 13 in the fourth and 11 of their last 21 overall) and not turn the ball over as much as they did, the game wouldn’t have been as close.

How about the job the Magic did on Ron Artest and Andrew Bynum, as those two players combined for just 13 points on 3 of 15 shooting.

Regarding the officiating… I’m not going to get too worked up over it, since the Magic attempted 13 more free throws than the Lakers. Sure, there were some obvious bad calls against the Magic, but to be fair, some bad calls went against the Lakers, too. It was a very difficult game to officiate, with both teams being so physical.

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by Mike from Illinois on Mar 8, 2010 5:39 AM EST reply actions  

True

But, truth be spoken, we need to do BETTER.
Kobe missed some shots I do not expect to see him missing anytime soon.
D12 needs improvements in our tactics, careful passing to him is a start, isolate more whenever possible.
Bynum went in foul trouble early, like Dwight did too. That’s my only concern regarding refs.
How come Dwight can’t get any discount on those calls, like other superstars do?
Yes, Pau, he’s way bigger and stronger than you are, but it’s not my fault, man.

Stay classy.

by Dzogi on Mar 8, 2010 7:33 AM EST reply actions  

Not sure who got the better of whom here.....

Speaking of Dwight’s offensive “struggle,” Ben said:

Andrew Bynum—when he wasn’t seething on the bench due to foul trouble—gave [Dwight] fits….
If Bynum was on the bench with 5 fouls in <20minutes, I’m not sure who gave whom fits. Seems Dwight might have given Bynum fits if he can drive him to the bench in that short amount of time.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 8, 2010 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Bynum was +10 in plus/minus

So, if he could stay out of foul trouble, he’d be a huge asset and greater threat. He blocked Dwight 2 times and drew, iirc, at least 2 of the fouls against Dwight. So, I guess that merits saying he gave Dwight fits.

ORL did a good job attacking the basket early to get Bynum out of there as 3 of Bynums fouls were drawn by Carter, Barnes, and Pietrus.

btw, >7 minutes (ie. >33%) of Bynum’s court time was >5 minutes at the beginning of the 2nd quarter & >2 minutes at the beginning of the 4th….. vs. Gortat. fwiw.

Not saying that he didn’t make Howard struggle in the other 12ish minutes, but more than 1/2 of Dwight’s court time was with Bynum on the bench.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 8, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Good points. Dwight was a big threat too tho, obviously hehe, and he was foul troubled the whole game, esp. 2n quarter.

by derekk on Mar 8, 2010 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

15 points on 14 shots

That’s very good D on a high percentage shooter like Dwight.

by eltharion_doa on Mar 8, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

btw, thanks for the Hoopdata boxscore link.

Taking me some time to familiarize myself with their layout, etc, but I think in a game or two, I’ll be able to locate numbers more at a glance. Right now, takes me longer to read that boxscore than Ben’s recap. lol.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 8, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

It's a lot of information but it has everything you'd want in a box score.

Gives you a nice blend of traditional and advanced statistics.

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by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

my one nitpick is the rounded off minutes played

not too crazy with whole numbers, but I see that it helps them save space.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 8, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I like how SVG praised Jameer. In retrospect, except for the late 4th quarter when Jameer was slowing slowing down, he was carving and penetrating the defense all night long. This is the stuff that will give the Lakers-killer even more confidence against them and anyone else on the way in the playoffs.

by derekk on Mar 8, 2010 4:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Lakers with a new PG would be more scary.

Obviously, P. Jackson doesn’t want Farmar in that role. So, who do you think they go after in the offseason?

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, judging by what some people around here believe you can get Paul for...

I say the Lakers can trade Fisher, Mbenga, and maybe bring Brian Shaw out of retirement a la Keith Van Horn to sign a contract for Chris Paul.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 8, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I know, except for some clutch shooting onceinawhile, Fisher isn’t much offensively anymore. But everytime I see Fisher against Orlando, the dude is still a high level defender and very experienced. I think Phil would have alot more consideration for defense and IQ than others think. If Phil put a less defensive PG, or a younger one, he would probly be quicker to stay in front of a Jameer or Aaron Brooks, but he can’t pressure defend or help defend half as good as Fisher has gotten to. Also, inexperience would be a no no when there’s Kobe and Artest in the wings and Pau, Bynum, or Odom in the post areas. Perhaps they would develop a young PG behind Fisher instead of replacing him, they have the attractibility to sign anyone with thier exceptions and money. That or maybe a more experienced PG who is not necessarily young. All completely my guesses tho. Fisher still does a really decent job directing the floor to me.

by derekk on Mar 8, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The play where Jameer did a spin move around a high screen and Fisher got beaten badly and grabbed Meer's arm and Salvatore called Meer for an offensive foul was mind boggling.

Fisher got away with several grabs throughout the game as that was his only defense to try to keep Meer from getting wide open to the basket. That didn’t even work most of the time.

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Mar 8, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Except for the 20 times Fisher got into Nelson’s face until about 9 seconds left on the shotclock. Not to mention the help defense he pulls on Dwight. Part of his 6-14 FG is because Dwight can’t tell if Fisher is doubling or staying on the shooter, he’s mastered team/help defense and he’s experienced as they come. I was directly staring for this, wondering why Dwight wasn’t performing offensively. Much of his FGM was putbacks again.

by derekk on Mar 8, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Im not trying to over-praise Fisher. He’s clearing on the decline. My main point is I think he’s underrated on experience/IQ and team defense, if LA replaces him with anything less than an All Star, it could be a harder replacement that it seems on paper.

by derekk on Mar 8, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Fisher is a liability on defense for the Lakers.

I don’t see why Phil Jackson could put Shannon Brown on Jameer Nelson. I know Brown can’t run the point but Kobe Bryant or Lamar Odom could handle the responsibilities if it helps the defense.

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by erivera7 on Mar 9, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

couldn't*

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by erivera7 on Mar 9, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Fisher’s D is a problem, but a plus for everyone else.

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by Wmillion on Mar 9, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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