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Orlando Magic News for March 6th: Flipping the Switch; Dispatches from the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference

  • Should a 10-point win over the New Jersey Nets be a cause for concern?

    After the Orlando Magic beat the New Jersey Nets by just 10 points last night, Magic coach Stan Van Gundy was unhappy with his team. Tania Ganguli asked Rashard Lewis if it's possible for the team to take its game to the next level in the playoffs. Here's Lewis' response:

    "I don’t think it’s gonna be hard to flip that switch because playoff intensity is so high. He’s trying to get that set into our minds right now because he knows going into the playoffs if you’re not ready to play you will get beat. It doesn’t matter if it’s the last place team or the first place team, you’ll lose."

  • The value of a blocked shot
    TrueHoop summarizes presented at today's MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference which attempts to quantify the value of each blocked shot.

    The paper also found that, with many different new factors taken into account, Tim Duncan's blocks are the most valuable in the NBA. The least valuable, they say, are Dwight Howard's.

  • Sloan Sports Analytics Conference: "What Geeks Don't Get: The Limits of Moneyball" Panel Report

    M. Haubs recaps this year's "the show-stopper panel," which featured Rockets GM Daryl Morey, Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, ESPN's Marc Stein, and other luminaries.

  • The Value Of A Blocked Shot
    UPDATE (from Eddy): Sebastian Pruiti of NBA Playbook explains in detail why Dwight Howard's blocks aren't as valuable as blocks from, for example, Tim Duncan or Jermaine O'Neal.

    Is blocking a lay-up more valuable than blocking a jump-shot? Mr. Huizinga’s data says yes. In his presentation, he said that it all comes down to expected value. A jumper has an expected point value of 1.04 while a lay-up has an expected point value of 1.54. Looking at it this way, Brendon Haywood, who many people is a very good defender (me included) actually is a less valuable shot blocker than Jermaine O’Neal.

    Haywood gets 69% of his blocks on jumpers, meaning he only blocks 31% of the more valuable lay-ups. On the other end of the spectrum, 91% of Jermaine O’Neal’s blocks were on lay-up attempts, while only 9% of his blocks were the less-valuable jump shots.

    [...] why was Mr. Huizinga’s paper called From "…Dwight Howard to Tim Duncan?"  Well as he explained, through a series of charts, Tim Duncan has had the best season in history when it came down to value/block with 1.12, meaning he saved 1.12 points with every block and Dwight Howard ended up with the worst season in terms of value/block with with .53 (both came during the 2008 season).

More from the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference after the jump.

Star-divide

  • Will Coaches Listen to Stat Heads?
    UPDATE 2 (from Eddy): Zach Lowe of CelticsHub reports that, according to Brent Barry, "the old guard is holding back the statistical revolution in the NBA."

  • Be Less Than You Can Be
    UPDATE 3 (from Eddy): Rob Mahoney of Hardwood Paroxysm cites Brian Skinner's presentation at the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, called "The price of anarchy in basketball." Skinner explains sometimes its wise not to have the best player on a team to shoot the basketball all the time.

    Skinner invokes Dean Oliver in stating that as usage goes up, a player’s offensive efficiency goes down, and that makes a ton of sense.

    But at the same time, that creates a bit of a boggling result: a team’s best play is sometimes to have their best shooter not shoot.

  • It’s Not Whether or Not Use Can Find the Perfect Stats, It’s How You Use Them to Play the Game
    UPDATE 4 (from Eddy): Jared Wade of Hardwood Paroxysm details the uses of statistics in the NBA and how it's "collected, analyzed, and adjusted to provide the closest numerical representation of the truth."

    Trade and free agency decisions are increasingly being made with more statistical information, and Oliver broke down how widespread this is all becoming, stating that he knows of eight teams that have actually integrated advanced analytics into their decision-making (Boston, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Houston, Oklahoma City, Orlando and Portland). In all, he says that he saw 14 different teams with personnel on the attendee list for Sloan Conference this year — and knew of two other assistant GMs who were not listed. Kevin Pelton also broke down which statisticians are now working in the league, in the process, revealing that he is now consulting with Indiana. [...]

    A big challenge to all this, however, is just gathering the data. "[Only] 20% or maybe a quarter of defense shows up in a box score," said [John] Hollinger. Steals, blocks and personal fouls are there, but what happens on all the other plays is not. Who forced a shooter to miss? Who blew a rotation? The box score will never tell you that.

    "The box score is an incomplete story," said [Kevin] Pritchard. "And more than that, it can be misleading."

    Another reason why Dwight Howard's impact is sometimes overlooked, in my opinion, because what he does isn't always quantified.
  • Bias In Officiating
    UPDATE 5 (from Eddy): Brian Robb of CelticsHub looks into the issue of biased officials in professional sports, specifically in the NBA. Tobias Moskowitz and L. John Wertheim's findings confirmed there is "star treatment" in the league and there is a tendency for referees to swallow their whistles much more in the second half compared to the first half in close games or late game situations. 

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I want to see the whole Huizinga paper on shot-blocking value.

Pruiti’s summary is fine as far as it goes, but I want more about how the data was used to determine “value.” Shot-blocking “value” as a stand-alone stat seems incomplete. I.e. rather than simply rating the block value, did he include [block value x total number of blocks]? The latter calculation would show something of total defensive value.

Also, would like to see if FGA in the paint was examined. Dwight packs fewer layups partly b/c guys don’t try to go to the rim as much with him around…..he’s swatting jumpers, ‘cause that what players take against the Magic ’cause either they can’t get to the rim or are afraid to get to the rim. And, that impacts Dwight’s shot-blocking “value” as far as I can tell in this study.

Aside from that, imo, TrueHoop’s line is slightly spurious (probably intentionally vague to generate traffic), ‘cause that conclusion was just for the 08-09 season’s data.

"This is two good games in a row for Carter -- not a full blown trend yet, but if it becomes one the Magic just got a lot more scary." ~Kurt Helin

by magicfaninTN on Mar 6, 2010 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

blocks

Blocks are like sacks, they don’t tell the whole story.. Basketball needs a pressures stat, like football.

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by Wmillion on Mar 6, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It probably has to do with the result of the block. Dwight swats it out of bound more times than not giving the other team back possession. If he had more of those blocks where he catches the ball at the same time or swats it towards one of his teammates, then his block value would be higher.

by WoWJ on Mar 6, 2010 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

No, that's not why.

The updated link explains why Howard’s blocks are less valuable than other players.

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by erivera7 on Mar 6, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I hadn’t read that, but doesn’t what i wrote factor into the “points created” part of the equation, other than that i really don’t see why Dwight’s blocks would have had so much less value than those of other players.

by WoWJ on Mar 6, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

if he blocks jumpshots that were unlikely to go in anyways, they supposedly "count" for less points prevented

shots at the rim are easier to convert, so there are typically more points per possession scored on these shots. so when these shots are blocked they would be counted as preventing a slightly higher efficient shot

by MagicMark on Mar 6, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I see how that could be part of the problem, but that's just the "points saved" part of the block value equation,

wouldn’t creating a turnover from the block increase the value in the “points created” part. I mean it just seems like saving half a point per block is way too low based solely on whether the blocks were jumpers or layups.

by WoWJ on Mar 6, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I still want to see the whole paper.

I get the feeling the analysis is fairly incomplete or at least mislabeled (which is why I want to see the source document).

It is very subjective to assign value to the shot without considering the shooting percentages of the player who gets blocked. I guess I’m trying to say that block-value is only a small part of a larger defensive rating equation to the point that that it could be almost misleading.

What if Haywood gets 69% of his blocks on jump shots because he is effective at steering players way from the rim for layups (ie. he’s forcing jumpers)? [this could be evaluated by tracking the shooting percentage at the rim (and/or @<10ft) against the shot blocker versus the season or career shooting percentages from the same location(s)] By Huizinga’s analysis, Haywood’s blocks are less “valuable,” but defensively he might be more valuable by first of all creating a lower percentage shot and then making sure it isn’t going in the hoop. Did Huizinga evaluate this perspective?

My $.03

"This is two good games in a row for Carter -- not a full blown trend yet, but if it becomes one the Magic just got a lot more scary." ~Kurt Helin

by magicfaninTN on Mar 6, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah the rundown just left me with more questions.

I wish i could’ve just gone to the damn presentation.

by WoWJ on Mar 6, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Geez SVG........relax

“He’s always upset,” Rashard Lewis said. “No matter if we win by 50 or if we win by one. He’s going to stand on the sideline, he’s going to be mad, he’s going to be upset. You make one turnover he’s going to be mad. They make a basket he’s going to be mad. That’s just Stan Van Gundy getting us prepared for the playoffs.”

After reading that quote I’m thinking the players are eventually gonna get tired of SVG always ripping the team in front of the media, especially after a game against the Nets (which they won), before the biggest home game of the year tomorrow.

Never trust a fart

by AB's triple double on Mar 6, 2010 7:34 PM EST reply actions  

...i can't help but agree.

Lewis was expressing frustration and veiling under a playoff banner.

by fwedo on Mar 6, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, those are some heavy hitters.

I heard that panel, in particular, was phenomenal.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 6, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

tickets for the conference were going for ~$200 it was reported

i’d love to go to next year’s conference if it is open to the public

by MagicMark on Mar 6, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It is, actually. It's just more expensive for those that aren't MIT students and what not.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 6, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

First question:

Who is the advanced stat geek on the Magic payroll? It ought to be Eddy, but who is it now? I’ve seen it reported somewhere here, but can’t recall the name. IIRC, his job is somehow tied to video, too???

"This is two good games in a row for Carter -- not a full blown trend yet, but if it becomes one the Magic just got a lot more scary." ~Kurt Helin

by magicfaninTN on Mar 6, 2010 10:36 PM EST reply actions  

Charles Klask, he's the scouting information manager.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 6, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

THX.

You guys need to try to get an interview with him sometime, don’t you think?

"This is two good games in a row for Carter -- not a full blown trend yet, but if it becomes one the Magic just got a lot more scary." ~Kurt Helin

by magicfaninTN on Mar 7, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the link for those who, like me, forgot about the original story.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-02-03/sports/os-orlando-magic-stan-van-gundy-numbers-_20100203_1_stan-van-gundy-orlando-point-guard-numbers

Here’s two funny (imo) quotes:

First, from Matt Barnes:

Numbers don’t lie

Doesn’t that sound like the name of a Blog? Yahoo has “Ball Don’t Lie.” Eddy & Ben could write, “Numbers Don’t Lie” LOL

Second, the remark from Anthony Johnson on SVG:

Sometimes, [SVG’s] players are surprised by the figures he cites.

“He’s pulls ’em out of nowhere,” Johnson says. “We don’t really know if it’s true or not, because we’re too lazy to look it up.”

"This is two good games in a row for Carter -- not a full blown trend yet, but if it becomes one the Magic just got a lot more scary." ~Kurt Helin

by magicfaninTN on Mar 7, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Second question....for discussion

What not-currently-publicly-tracked stats would you like to see kept track of?

[i.e. Cuban mentioned deflections]

I suppose things like blown rotations might need to be tracked internally by teams since they would be dependent upon the specifically coached defensive scheme. What fans might call a blown rotation might be someone listening to the coaches to stay at home on the original player they are guarding, etc.

"This is two good games in a row for Carter -- not a full blown trend yet, but if it becomes one the Magic just got a lot more scary." ~Kurt Helin

by magicfaninTN on Mar 6, 2010 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

Ankles broken.. Just kidding.

Not sure, but what about blow bys- getting by your defender by a step going towards to the basket.

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by Wmillion on Mar 6, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Anything on defense.

I know it’s harder to quantify things on the defensive side of the ball but there needs to be more data. Hollinger nailed it when he said the box score is lacking in that regard. Advanced statistics help a little bit in quantifying defense but even then, those numbers aren’t enough to explain everything that’s happening.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 6, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

"Brian Skinner's presentation at the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference"...

…please tell me the author is this guy.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Mar 7, 2010 1:49 AM EST reply actions  

LOL, negative.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Mar 7, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That picture is a caption contest waiting to happen.

What happened to Skinner’s goatee? Looks like he soaked his chin in bleach.

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 8, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hakeem Olajuwon was probably the most efficient

blocker. He would always try to block shots to his teammates. Nowdays, i see alot of shot blockers(Howard, Josh Smith,e tc) just whacking the ball really hard and out of bounds. Also, Mutombo was another smart shot blocker.

by inquisitiveman on Mar 8, 2010 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

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