Josh Smith Beats the Orlando Magic at the Buzzer: The Afternoon After
by Evan Dunlap on Mar 25, 2010 2:00 PM EDT
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PrintUsually, these sorts of posts focus on entire games. But this one, about the Orlando Magic's 86-84 loss to the Atlanta Hawks at last night's final horn, will only focus on the final play, which is on everyone's mind. As you've no doubt seen by now, Smith flew in (note: this is not a pun) from the right side and dunked in Joe Johnson's missed game-winning attempt as time expired, unencumbered by defenders or resistance of any kind. So here's what everyone's saying about it.
- NBA Playbook – Lack Of Fundamentals Cost Orlando
Sebastian Pruiti of NBA Playbook applies his thorough analytical skills to last night's finish, and includes a frame-by-frame look at what transpired.
- The Incredible Finish in Atlanta - TrueHoop Blog
Kevin Arnovitz of TrueHoop says, "Ask Rashard Lewis," in response to his rhetorical question about how Smith got free.
- khandor’s sports blog - Assigning proper responsibility for the Magic’s inability to box out Josh Smith
khandor counters Arnovitz by pointing out that Lewis did indeed box someone out, and argues that someone else should get the blame.
the Orlando player who was most responsible for allowing Josh Smith to go unchecked during the rebounding phase of this defensive possession was actually Dwight Howard.
(Emphasis his.)
- Hardwood Paroxysm - Human Dynamite Stick Goes Ka-Plooey
Zach Harper of Hardwood Paroxysm falls squarely in the "Blame Rashard" camp.
If Lewis boxes out Smith, the carom goes harmlessly off to the side and the players get ready for the overtime period. [....]
Instead, Lewis got lazy, the rebound got crammed home and the Hawks now have a little swagger against Orlando that was previously nonexistent. Orlando now has to face internal issues that are being immaturely aired out in the media.
- Hoopinion: Hawks 86 Magic 84
Brett LaGree of Hoopinion does not attempt to assign blame for the blown box-out, but concurs with Harper regarding the Hawks' swagger. "I don't think it's possible to overstate the psychological value of the Hawks beating the Magic," he writes.
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Not sure what you're referring to.
This morning’s post has 73 comments as of right now, and I haven’t deleted any of them.
I don't care to debate who's fault is it but
this is the third time (if my memory is right) that the magic get dunk on a buzzer beater.
There was Smith yesterday
Beasley in Amway
Stoudemire in Phoenix
some times I imagine this team with VC & J-Will at their prime...
On a more optimistic note:
I measured the jumps for the dunks in that Orlando Magic dunk-in…
This one, I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW_uRotxG3Q
For the 1st dunk, Howard jumped 38 inches;
For Vince’s 360 tomahawk, he jumped 33 inches;
Pietrus missed dunk: 32 inches;
JJ Redick 35 inches (:D);
Dwight over the back 35 inches;
Gortat between the legs: 28 inches;
Vince alley-oop: 38-39 inches (:D)
So yeah, according to this, Vince when he properly gathers himself = win.
You really want me to measure that?
Well… according to his hangtime…
He jumped ~ 70 inches (as time in the air, not as height).
How do you measure something like that?
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by ben_gleicher on Mar 25, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, for every time spent in the air there is a corresponding jump...
This works the best for straight up vertical jumps.
For example, if you have a 30 fps video, a frame is 0.033s long.
I usually download a video from youtube and open it in BS Player. There you can advance the video frame by frame. You start to count frame number 1 when the heels of the player take off the ground (toes are still on the floor). Then advance the video frame by frame and count how many frames you get for that player till he touches the ground with his toes.
You then multiply the frame number that you got by whatever the corresponding frame time. So for a 25 fps video, you multiply say 20 frames x 0.04. For a 30 fps video, you multiply 20 frames x 0.033. The more fps the video has, the more precise the measurement.
Then you end up with a number. For 20×0.033 you end up with 0.66s.
Then you check this table:
20: .640 seconds
22: .674 seconds
24: .704 seconds
26: .732 seconds
28: .760 seconds
30: .786 seconds
32: .814 seconds
34: .838 seconds
36: .862 seconds
38: .884 seconds
40: .908 seconds
42: .930 seconds
44: .954 seconds
46: .974 seconds
48: .994 seconds
50: 1.016 seconds
52: 1.036 seconds
54: 1.056 seconds
56: 1.076 seconds
58: 1.094 seconds
60: 1.114 seconds
The numbers are in inches.
Well then you mis-timed because there is no way in hell Vince can still get up to 38+ inches.
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by ben_gleicher on Mar 25, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Vince had a hangtime of 27 frames x 0.033 = 0.891 s. Looking at the table, for 0.884 = 38 inches, so he had a bit more than that (obviously with a small margin of error).
Vince's max vertical was 43" when he was drafted
38" now seems reasonable.
"Loose ball foul on whatever the hell his name is." - Joey Crawford calling a foul on Stojko Vrankovic
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Mar 26, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
That's right
Probably he could’ve got about 45 a year or so after the draft (around year 2000), since he trained a bit on his strength.
I just time-measured a guy who knew he got 35 inches on a jump and it ended up being a 35 inch on my measurement also, so it’s pretty precise.
When you have the leverage Vince has structurally, you don’t really need that much strength to jump high.
We're in the playoffs now
I think the “Rift in the locker room” was just being blown out of proportion by all the media. The coach has a right to point out the mistake they made and everybody in the team should just act professional and learn from it. That’s how championship teams are. This is just a regular season game and we’re already in the playoff and pretty much secured the 2nd place in the East, time to move on. We can always get our revenge next time.
swagger?
we played lazy all game and almost won. we’ve kicked the hawks around all year long. no one’s worried.
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The blame game is really old.
Josh Smith made an amazing play that just doesn’t happen (unless you’re Josh Smith or Dwight). I wish everyone could just give the dude the credit he deserves for that dunk, not to mention burying that long jumper with the shot clock winding down near the end.
Rashard was actually focusing on the guy who was closest to the rim in Mario West, not the guy who was at the 3-point line. Unfortunately, the guy at the 3-point line is currently the most freakish athlete at the PF position in the NBA. Move on, everyone.
I hate Varejao.
Different kind of freak.
Nature creates good freaks and Varejao’s.
"Loose ball foul on whatever the hell his name is." - Joey Crawford calling a foul on Stojko Vrankovic
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Mar 25, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people think he is a flopping A-Hole
"Loose ball foul on whatever the hell his name is." - Joey Crawford calling a foul on Stojko Vrankovic
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Mar 26, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
that's because he IS a flopping a-hole
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Mar 26, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, no denial here. I can't stand him either.
He is fer sure a flopping a-hole. With stupid hair, I might add.
Huh? What are you talking about?
He’s in the books for Defensive Player of the Year, he such a great defender. Ok, maybe not. He’s such a great bitch. A tall one for that matter. Kinda sexy.
Don't forget the Magic drated him!
"Loose ball foul on whatever the hell his name is." - Joey Crawford calling a foul on Stojko Vrankovic
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Mar 26, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What to take from this game?
You could get all worked up about Rashard or Dwight’s failure to box out, lack of fundamentals, laziness…etc. Or you could spin it into some story about the Hawks making up all sorts of psychological ground on the Magic (really?)…Or, you could note the fact that once again when the Magic needed a huge clutch make in the final seconds of a road game, Vince Carter did exactly what the Magic brought him here to do.
At the end of the season, what will be more important to the Magic’s success? Susceptibility to last-second, ridiculously athletic putback dunks, or Vince Carter’s clutch shotmaking ability.
by Brad1 on Mar 25, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
EXACTLY
“…Or, you could note the fact that once again when the Magic needed a huge clutch make in the final seconds of a road game, Vince Carter did exactly what the Magic brought him here to do.
At the end of the season, what will be more important to the Magic’s success? Susceptibility to last-second, ridiculously athletic putback dunks, or Vince Carter’s clutch shotmaking ability.”
This.
What to take?
1) If the shots are not falling, it becomes more difficult to win.
2) Great last second shorts, especially spectacular dunks, get national publicity.
3) The Magic have grown to hate losing.
4) Some fans may be too emotionally invested in the outcome of a game, even if it is the Magic, and even if they should Never lose to ANYONE and EVEN IF……opps, excuse me.
I’ll leave now.
"Loose ball foul on whatever the hell his name is." - Joey Crawford calling a foul on Stojko Vrankovic
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Mar 25, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Vince didn't have a great game, but showed up when it counted. He nearly always does.
So why is he not the #1 option down the stretch?
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He often is.
He might not always be the initiator of the offense, but he usually gets his hands on the ball when it counts. Unless Rashard or Jameer, neither of whom are slouches in the clutch, have a better opportunity, that is.
I hate Varejao.
It's 50-50 at best... Jameer calls those 1-5 pick and rolls all the time
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by ben_gleicher on Mar 25, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The "standard" play is the single or double screen "pop out"
where Jameer give Vince the ball to either shoot (as in the 3-pointer Wednesday), give back, find Dwight or find someone in the corner for a three. The 1-5 PNR is much less common, infact the 1-2 PNR is about as common, especially in the 4th qtr.
"Loose ball foul on whatever the hell his name is." - Joey Crawford calling a foul on Stojko Vrankovic
The only way to stop LeBron is Smith and Wesson, but even that's a double team.
by NC Magic Fan on Mar 26, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not talking about 6 seconds or less plays...
I’m talking about under 6 minutes to go with a close score.
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by ben_gleicher on Mar 26, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The strength of the Magic offense is that it's varied.
Going to the same player over and over again has hardly worked for the team, as evident by the serious lack of big scoring performances by a single player.
I hate Varejao.
We Have Arrived!!!
The national media has finally begun to notice. I am tired of reading every week how if the Lakers weren’t pushing for another title they’d be at each others’ throats. Yes!
It's a real shame how Josh Smith's dunk erased that amazing 3 pointer by VC.
That was amazing overshadowing amazing
It's one loss
When we didn’t shoot well, but still held the Hawks to a low score, in their arena, and got beaten by a freak athletic play.
Sure, it would have been nice to sweep them, but that’s basketball. Now they know they have to conjure up four freak games in a series to take us out and y’know, I’m OK with that.
Exactly
and with the Magic losing that game to ATL the Hawks kept pace with Boston (ATL has the tie breaker). Much better matchup against ATL in the 2nd rd IMO and Boston could do a lot more damage to the Cavs than ATL can.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Boston has the tiebreaker.
Atlanta has the season series 4-0, but being a Division Leader (even the Atlantic) trumps.
"It's difficult to win when you're outscored in every quarter." -Bill Walton
by betterthanburke on Mar 27, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
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