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Orlando Magic 108, Miami Heat 102 (OT)

The Orlando Magic used a third-quarter rally to get an edge against the Miami Heat, but an offensive dry spell late in the fourth quarter let the Heat send the game to overtime, where Orlando prevailed by a 108-102 final score. For the second consecutive night, Magic center Dwight Howard racked up too many fouls to stay on the floor, leaving it up to Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis, and Jameer Nelson to carry the offensive load. Carter and Lewis delivered, combining for 51 points on 59.5% True Shooting. Fittingly, it was Carter's feed to Lewis in the left corner for three, which gave Orlando a 6-point lead with 28.4 seconds to play, that sealed victory for the Magic. And though Nelson had a forgettable game (15 points on 7-of-16 shooting, 3 assists, 3 turnovers), he made key plays on both sides of the ball which proved valuable in the win. Dwyane Wade led all players with 36 points and 7 assists, while also leading his team in rebounding, pulling down 10 boards on the night. Orlando's win knots the season series at two games apiece, but the way the game played out certainly raises questions about the Magic's ability to finish off the Heat in a seven-game series.

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TeamPaceEfficiencyeFG%FT RateOReb%TO Rate
Magic95113.651.7%19.329.513.7
Heat95107.845.6%22.226.511.6
Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average;
red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average.

Now I don't want to sound too negative here, because the Magic managed to win despite the deck being stacked against them in several ways, outlined here in my game preview. But it's hard to feel encouraged about a close win when the game never should have come to that. A 12-point lead with 5:07 to play should be enough to hold off a team as offensively ordinary as Miami, even on the road. Instead, the Heat scored on 8 of their next 11 possessions before Wade came up empty at the end of regulation, with Howard and Matt Barnes forcing him into a hotly contested jumper that he tried to bank in from an impossible angle. And on the other end, the crisp, quick ball movement that helped the Magic succeed for most of the game vanished. The Magic couldn't get any clean looks against Miami's stingy defense, with O'Neal shutting Howard down inside and its cast of perimeter defenders making life difficult for Carter, Nelson, and Lewis.

Nelson, for all the questionable shots he took tonight, merits praise for sinking the tying jumper with 15.6 to play. Matched up against Mario Chalmers--not a slouch defensively--on the right wing just inside the three-point arc, Nelson bided his time with several dribbles before stepping into an 18-footer that found the bottom of the net, atoning for a missed free throw on the Magic's previous possession which could have given Orlando a one-point lead.

The game ball tonight, however, goes to Lewis. Carter scored 27 to Lewis' 24, but it was Lewis' overall impact that I believe swung the game in Orlando's favor. 17 shot attempts for Lewis, with 9 coming from two-point range and the other 8 coming from beyond the arc. Once again, he exploited Michael Beasley's lack of skill and/or interest on the defensive end, blowing by him numerous times and finishing with a two-pointer. This strategy plays into Miami's hands a bit, as it'd prefer for Lewis to shoot twos instead of threes. But there's a right and a wrong way to chase someone off the three-point line, and Beasley did it the wrong way, neither funneling Lewis into help defenders nor recovering in time to challenge the shot. Should these teams meet in the postseason, this matchup might prove to be what decides the series.

11 boards for Lewis, which ties a season high and is another area of the game in which he picked up Howard's slack.

What's got to worry coach Stan Van Gundy and the Magic is O'Neal's ability to take Howard out of the game, in a literal and figurative sense. Literally, O'Neal gets Howard in foul trouble and forces him to the bench; figuratively, he gets him too focused on foul calls and non-calls to be fully engaged offensively. Five blocks for O'Neal tonight, 4 of them on Howard. For the season, Howard's averaged just 11.5 points per game on 40.1% shooting from the field against the Heat, due almost entirely to O'Neal's presence. I give him a ton of credit for standing up to Howard this year because, quite frankly, Howard made him look silly and ineffectual as recently as last season, when he averaged 25.3 points on 64.8% shooting. So O'Neal has more than halved Howard's scoring while shaving almost 25 whole percentage points off his conversion rate from the field. Yup, O'Neal has regained his health and some of his mojo, and as a result has proven to be among the most capable one-on-one defenders of Howard in the league.

And Wade? Stop it. He continued his mastery of the Magic. Let's run through those numbers again: 36 points on 59.2% True Shooting, 10 rebounds, 7 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, and just 1 turnover in 45 minutes, dominating the ball on every possession. He's unreal. Fortunately for Orlando, Van Gundy's decision to double-team him throughout the overtime period--a look Van Gundy will try against scorching hot perimeter players with the game on the line--paid off. He scored just 2 points in the period, with Beasley and O'Neal ending 2 possessions apiece, wit mixed results. You can live with O'Neal taking open 18-footers late in a close game; better that than a Wade layup, which is what he was getting with the tired, hobbled Barnes checking him.

Give Orlando's defense credit for keeping Wade occupied in overtime. With 3 guys left to cover 4 players, the defense becomes a weak-side zone that most rotate quickly to counter any pass by the double-teamed ballhandler. Miami did Orlando a few favors by standing around during these sets, but when the ball did move from side to side, the Magic were right there.

Oh, and something to watch: Howard picked up his 15th technical foul of the season, senselessly spiking the ball in overtime after picking up his 5th foul. The technical free throw, plus Beasley's two additional looks, gave Miami a one-point lead quite early on. He's now one technical away from an automatic 1-game suspension, which doesn't bother me as much as the timing of the technical does. You're in a tight game against a rocking-and-rolling home team with a dynamic perimeter scorer; you are not in any sort of position to concede points like that. Van Gundy and Howard's teammates have to do a better job of reining him in when he gets hot.

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That was a close one.

I know it’s kind of a soft rivalry in the NBA, but I get a really sick feeling when we get beat by the Heat. The Dwight technical was really stupid. The Magic staff definitely need to figure a way of cooling him off because this is getting silly. My cousin is coming to visit Florida in a few weeks and I’m taking him to the Denver Nuggets game as a surprise since he’s a Magic fan. I’m sure that is the game where Dwight will have his suspension.

Mostly what I took from this whole series with the Heat this year is that they will be very annoying in the playoffs if we face them.

The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy

by cgsimone on Mar 19, 2010 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

there's two main factors that Ben mentioned which I think were crucial to the competitiveness of the Heat

Matt Barnes’ injury – 40 minutes game time on that injured toe, you saw he wasn’t as effective, and as much as JJ has improved, we missed MP’s length and athleticism against Wade. In the 4th we were double teaming him so Chalmers and Dorell Wright got space to shoot

O’Neal – so tonight it was Michael, Jermaine and the Tito Jackson’s (thanks Chuck). I’ve never seen Dwight been stuffed so much. I used to follow him a lot in his Pacer days.

by RL Magic on Mar 19, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still worried about Orlando's lack of killer instinct...

they really need to learn how to place their foot on the opponent’s throat and put them away because come playoff time, you let someone get up and it may be over for you.

by telka on Mar 19, 2010 12:56 AM EDT reply actions  

It shouldn't be overlooked

But for me, I’m much more confident in this teams ability to hold leads than I was in last season’s team. The current Magic team is built for Championships. Dwight & ‘Meer are in their prime. Barnes is shooting 52.5% FG & 41.7% 3-point (10 PPG) since being a starter and VC’s shooting 51.5% FG & 49% 3-point since he’s figured out how to be so efficient with the team (19.2/3.8/3.4). I was concerned about ‘Shard because of his offensive “struggles” but 2 games later he’s actually posting his 2nd best month of the season % wise.

I was thinking about Rashard’s “down season” and wanted to look at it. His FG & 3-pt are down only 1% from last season & he’s avg 3.2 less points because he’s taking 2.1 less shots. He’s avg. 1.2 less rebounds because Barnes is the 3rd best rebounding SF in the NBA and VC is a better rebounder than CLee. He’s avg. 1.1 less assists because they have ‘Meer, VC, J. Will & J.J. distributing the ball while last season it was ’Meer, Rafer, Hedo, Clee & Pietrus. Rashard’s increased his steals from last season (1.0 to 1.1). Other than a rough November because of the suspension, Rashard has only had 1 sub par month this season. Basically, Rashard has been just as consistent this year as he was last year minus some useless stats. W/L is nearly the same and FG/3pt % is too.

"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"

by Warlando on Mar 19, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't worry about that too much.

They’ve been destroying opponents lately. Before last nights game, in their last 4 or 5 wins, they’ve beaten their opponent by an average of about 21 points or so I think. Don’t let the nice guy attitude fool you. They’re not stone cold killers yet, but they’re inching closer to being cold blooded.

by Alex9 on Mar 19, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Courtesy of the game dragging on so long, I didn't get to watch the OT.

I even set my recording to run for another 30 minutes. Glad to see Dwight lost his cool, yet again.

In his defense, the reffing was pretty atrocious. Even Jameer picked up his first technical of the year. Still, Dwight needs to adapt to the terrible officiating. The second foul he picked up in the first quarter was unnecessary. 30 seconds left in the quarter, just don’t do anything dumb. Same with some of the moving screens. Obviously, the league is emphasizing the Magic’s moving screens to refs, so stop trying to get away with an extra bump here and there that you were getting away with. If it means the defender doesn’t get hung up quite as much as in games past, just live with it. Not much to say about the flopping though, because there’s not much Dwight can do about someone pulling soccer moves and dumb refs falling for it.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 19, 2010 1:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it is in Dwight's nature to react and complain.

….and not let it go that easily. He should learn that once the referee calls it, it can never be rescinded not unless another referee do so. Complaining and showing your frustrations (in front of the referee) wouldn’t help, so just let it go. He already developed a bad reputation on the referees, he’s on every refs radars. Once he opens he’s mouth, refs are going to blow the whistle.

by zakchi on Mar 19, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

He needs to stop throwing balls around too.

A lot of times, the refs have been lenient and have just given the Magic a delay of game warning. He’s just not being smart, at all.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 19, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

That"s a very valid stmt!!

Yeah, his leash with the refs is very, very, very short…LOl Dwight is “The BEST” Center in the game.(No point there, i just wanted to state that here..Lol) He just needs to PLAY BALL!!! there is NO reason to say Anything to the ref, after the call, i’ve never seen a ref change his call, bcuz of something that a player said to him After the call. Just Punish the oppposing Ctr, thats how you get back…But bottom line : D12 has developed a rep as a “Complainer”, Heck! as hard as he gets hammered, every game! I kinda understand why he complains.. we see the fouls, why don’t the refs?……….GO MAGIC!!!!!!

by Micheal B on Mar 19, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they are going to review that technical and take it away. The ball didn’t bounce that high and I believe it has to bounce over the shoulders. If it sticks, then he’d better get a technical before the end of the season so he can serve his suspension before the playoffs. It would really be crappy if he got the tech in the playoffs and we lost him for a game.

"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.

by KingJafi on Mar 19, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

technicals reset for the playoffs

you have to get 7 in the playoffs to get suspended

by MagicMark on Mar 19, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

well then…who gives a [expletive]… : p

"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.

by KingJafi on Mar 19, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed it when Jameer got his technical.

Not because of the result, but because, for some reason, there were microphones that picked up the on-the-court banter between him and the ref. This went on for like 30 seconds, with much colorful language and taunting on Jameer’s part, all captured on national television. Nice.

by Zach Attack on Mar 19, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Heat should be a good team, on paper.

They have the talent to make it work, between Wade, O’Neal, Beasley and Mario Chalmers. I’ve seen all of those players just light it up on some nights. For whatever reason, though, I’ve felt like their problem is that they don’t seem to like playing with one another. They’ve no chemistry. I’ve also never understood the choice of Erik Spoelstra as head coach. He’s just a young guy, and I understand he’s a stathead, but he’s robotic and has this constant deer in the headlights look. I dont’ see how he could maintain any charisma or authority over his players. There was one point in the game where Carlos Arroyo was gesturing angrily to Spoelstra because he either didn’t like or couldn’t understand the signs he was being given from the sidelines. then you get Spoelstra badmouthing Beasley in an in-game interview, however justifiably, b/c Beasley looked like he was in a fog the whole game…And how many off-the-court problems has this team had over the past year? The Heat are just a bad scene. It just seems like there’s something wrong with that team. Kudos to D-Wade for at least standing up for his teammates in response to Chuck’s dissing, though.

by Zach Attack on Mar 19, 2010 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

The Heat really don’t have that much talent, apart from Wade, Beasley and O’Neal. Chalmers is very inconsistent, Arroyo cannot really defend and the bench is really one of the worst among the playoff teams. What keeps them in the mix is Wade and their tenacious D.

by ranaldo on Mar 19, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great game!! OUR team showed plenty character out there, with SUPERMAN "shackled " with fouls, the team came 2gether and played as a team, and got the W, that’s whats UP….every game won’t be “pretty” . Now, they get a couple days off, can get some "light practice in , smooth a couple things out, add a wrinkle here or there, and get ready for the PLAYOFFS!!! and the Magic wil have NO PROBLEM finishing off this WADE in a series… Get ready for the parade down Orange Ave…Lol GO MAGIC!!!!!! MB

by Micheal B on Mar 19, 2010 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

REALLY CONCERNED WITH DWIGHT'S EFFICIENCY...

Ok, I’ll just go ahead and say it:

I like Orl offense much better with Gortat playing the C. I know he isn’t half as good as Dwight as a player – especially his athletic ability is much much more limited, but he is just a much smarter player who makes other players life happy.

1. Dwight is the perfect “bail-me-out” guy – he picks up loads of off rebounds, putbacks and tip ins because he can practically jump over everybody. He also once in a while come up with an amazing “how-did-he-do-that?!?!?!?!” block when a perimeter defender gets lost and lets a cutter through on the basket. BUT…

2. Gortat is a much smarter and more consistant defender – one-on-one he practically plays textbook D (look at him guarding Shaq – how far apart his feet are, and how he forces the big guy into awkward, tough shots). He also knows when to go for the block/contest, and when to draw an off foul (something Dwight has not learned at all). With his limited minutes he averages 1 blk a game – and almost never goal-tends.

3. Gortat also does lots of things that don’t show up on a stat sheet – he probably sets about a hundred solid screens every game – sometimes even 3 times on one Magic possession – making it much easier for other players to shake open for uncontested jumpers and cuts.

4. Magic offense (especially in the last month or so) with D-12 on the court is stagnant and thoroughly predictable – Dwight even went away from his bank-shot and posts up every single time he gets the ball. I really started respecting his inside game this year but most of the time he gets fouled or doubled – and either way – nothing comes out of it: a repost, a missed free-throw or a 10-second waste of shot clock…

Now I am not saying that Gortat should play more minutes because he is just a much more limited player – I’m just saying that SVG should rethink some of the offensive sets with Howard on the court.

Can’t wait for the 1-game suspension for Howard to see Gortat play 30+minutes to prove my point.

by Piotr Szczesniak on Mar 19, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

dwight has bad games

it happens, and in particular it has happened nearly every time we have played miami this year. glad we don’t have any more games against them.

by MagicMark on Mar 19, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can literally see how opponents attack the basket more and how less the floor is stretched on the offensive end when Gortat is on the court.

I love Gortat, but the team will always be better with Dwight on the floor.

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Mar 19, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reading lesson anyone???

To all guys trying to convince me that Dwight is better than Gortat:

I KNOW!!!!! Thats exactly what i said in my post opening this discussion – I’m just saying that Magic is a much more interesting team offensively without Dwight on the floor – especially playing half-court sets – because SVG lets them settle for a set play pretty well known in the Cavs playbook: give the ball to X, open mouth, stare…

Didn’t you guys notice how little happens with other 4 players when Dwight has the ball in the low post? He improved his post moves, but few defences play him one-on-one – and he rarely gets points of his own plays – I would guess 60-70% of Dwight’s points are either assisted (alley-oops, transition dunks) or following a rebound (tip ins, follow slams…). Making him post up every possession when he is on the floor is just plain dumb.

As to his defensive profficiency – HE IS THE BEST IN THE NBA – but…
he really has a lot of room for improvement especially in two areas:
goaltending on blocks and forcing offensive fouls (I really can’t remember him forcing a charge on anyone – he always flaps his hands around almost always resulting in a foul.

…and no. I think Skip Bayless is an a**.

…and yes. I am a Gortat fan – I am Polish for one :)
Still – I can easily see why he is behind Howie in rotation – I’m not stupid ;)

As to how productive Gortat/Howard is for other players – lets put this on hold until Dwight sits out a game for another whiny Tech :P

by Piotr Szczesniak on Mar 19, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t understand why no one cuts to the basket when Dwight has the ball. Especially when he’s double teamed, it opens up the otherside of the paint.

by ranaldo on Mar 19, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pietrus did it 3-4 times in a game not long ago

It was the very next game after someone said MP should take notes and watch how Barnes makes cuts.

"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"

by Warlando on Mar 19, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I made that statement, and it was nice to see Pietrus change it up a bit.

Let’s hope the ankle injury doesn’t keep him from continuing to be aggressive going to the basket, whether that be on cuts without the ball or drives with it!

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Mar 19, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just made an observation. It was not meant an attack on your post.

Sorry if you took as anything it was not. Now…regardless of whether or not Dwight needs to make improvements to be a better player (and obviously he does…every player in the league has room for improvement, even Kobe and LeBron), I don’t need to wait until Dwight gets suspended a game to understand what Gortat brings to the team that Dwight doesn’t. I saw it last year in the playoffs. I’ve seen it in the few times Dwight sat out a game for health reasons. I’ve seen it when Dwight was saddled with foul trouble or is resting. What is he going to prove that he hasn’t already proven on the floor? My statement still holds true and nothing you posted above contradicts or disproves what I said earlier.

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Mar 19, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see with your name, and your other posts that you're a real Gortat fan

the unfortunate thing is, when Gortat’s on for long periods, it’s not really because he’s deserved to be there and SVG’s stuck him on, but it’s because Dwight’s in foul trouble.

by RL Magic on Mar 19, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to get sick of Dwight Howard crying and complaining about the calls again...

Everytime there’s a call he’s always whining…For all the years I’ve been watching basketball, I’ve never seen a ref changed his decision because a player complained about it. Just play the game Dwight!

by jax502 on Mar 19, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

You can watch another team instead

IF you don’t like it. Or you can just ealize that Dwight is a very good player and he is doing what he thinks he needs to. Maybe he complains to the ref instead of giving someone an elbow (like Philly playoffs last year) when he gets beat up on one end and called for touch fouls on the other. Would I like to see Dwight get less techs? Of course! But he is a grown man and he is the one out there taking the abuse. At the end of the day, no one outside of the game really has a right to admonish him, as he isn’t Dampier making money with little result, he is a great basketball player who gets mugged on a nightly basis. Good job for keeping your cool Dwight and not beating anyone up!

by Eric9321 on Mar 19, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, didn't say he wasn't welcome

Just that the guy that anchors the team and gets beat up in the post is due a little ref bashing. The Miami game was exceptionally bad though as it was at a crucial point in the game, but all in all with all the abuse Dwight takes, I am just saying maybe we should cut him some slack is all. Constructive criticism is one thing, but calling our best player a whiner is pretty ridiculous.

by Eric9321 on Mar 19, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

All in all in all

Geez, its been a long day, moving and all. Obviously I am not expressing my thoughts well, I apologize, but hopefully you get the moral.

by Eric9321 on Mar 19, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I do not get the moral. You need to start respecting other people's opinion bro.

I’ve been a Magic fan way back to the pre-Penny Hardayway/Shaq era and I respect all the Magic players so don’t tell me to watch other team. I have alot of respect for Dwight. My point was Dwight has not been keeping his cool lately. He can complain every once in a while but he’s been doing that often and that’s what’s keeping him in trouble. If you don’t like the term whiner, fine. But you need to take it easy man. We’re all on the same team here.

by jax502 on Mar 22, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Little disappointed in Jameer's....

late game decision making. With about 2 minutes to go and the Magic with a small lead, he decides to take the ball to rim on a fast break and puts up a pretty difficult shot in traffic. Instead I would have liked him to recognize that we had the lead, pull the ball out, milk the clock, get a better look, and kill the game off. To me this is the play that allowed the Heat to almost steal this game. To his credit Jameer did hit the (rather difficult) shot to send it to overtime . . . but it didn’t have to come to that. And thankfully he hit it, or this would have been another case of the Magic pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.

by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Mar 19, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Cut Jameer some slack...

He hit like 5 crazy bankers and stole the ball twice in the final 15 minutes. He is back to his normal self.

As to his decision-making – I think that, as far as a typical point guard duty, he can still learn a lot from J-will or Anthony Johnson.

Thing is – SVG style of play is not PG-centered. The Magic have absolutely no need for Steve Nash-type of player with 4 trigger happy outside shooters in the starting lineup, what we need is Howard in the middle to attract attention away from the 3point line.

Responibility is not particularly big in SVG book…

by Piotr Szczesniak on Mar 19, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you mean, however

2:06 Jameer Nelson misses layup (the one you’re talking about)
1:44 Rashard Lewis misses 25-foot three point jumper
1:21 Jameer Nelson makes 6-foot two point shot
1:04 Jermaine O’Neal blocks Dwight Howard’s 7-foot jumper
1:02 Offensive rebound
0:55 Vince Carter makes 20-foot jumper
0:41 Matt Barnes misses 25-foot three point jumper
0:40 Jameer Nelson offensive rebound
0:40 Jameer Nelson fouled
0:40 Jameer Nelson misses free throw 1 of 2
0:40 Jameer Nelson makes free throw 2 of 2
0:15 Jameer Nelson makes 20-foot jumper

Jameer scored 5 our final 7 points in the last 1:21 of regulation to put the game into overtime including a huge offensive rebound on Barnes missed 3 when Orlando was down by 1 with 40 seconds left in the 4th. We were up by 5 when Jameer stole the ball from Beasley and missed that difficult layup 5 secs into the shotclock but what allowed Miami back into the game was them scoring 12 points on their next 5 possessions to take a 95-93 lead. I didn’t like that he gave Chalmers that wide open 3 (reminded me of Derick Fisher) but without Jameer’s clutch performance in the final 1:21 of regulation Orlando loses this game.

"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"

by Warlando on Mar 19, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with you...

that Jameer rescued the game in the end (with some clutch shooting). But, if he pulls the ball out and uses some clock instead of throwing up a quick shot we (1) don’t get a fast break going the other way and (2) even if we don’t make a basket it’s a 5 point lead with roughly 1:40 left on the clock (and 5 guys behind the ball on D). I know he’s a score first pg and that can sometimes be a blessing and sometimes a curse is all I’m saying.

by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Mar 19, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regardless of how you feel about Nelson, Vince Carter is the Magic's best clutch player.

He has a much lower turnover rate, he draws more fouls, and he’s better at making difficult shots. I love the 1-2 pick and roll, but that should be the only play down the stretch where Jameer should be dominating the ball.

The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.

by ben_gleicher on Mar 19, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn't saying that Jameer was the Magic's best clutch player.

Just that his performance in the clutch last night helped the Magic avoid a major collapse, which is true.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess my original point was....

that if Nelson was a bit more aware on the that play at the 2 min mark, we wouldn’t need him to be “clutch” down the stretch to save the game. If he pulls it out, uses some clock, and the Magic make a bucket (or even miss the bucket) we’re one defensive possession away from shooting free throws to close the game out. In late game situations, I just want him to be more of a pg and less of a scorer. Or like Slick said give it to Carter, who more often than not make the right decision

by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Mar 19, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ben_Gleicher said give it to Carter.

In that situation there, there wasn’t really an option of who to pass it to. It’s easy to second guess the decision on that lay-up, but if he makes it and takes a little wind out of the Heat’s sails, maybe things are different. The Magic get to set their defense and maybe get a stop. If he pulls it out, yeah, they can waste time, but if they miss the shot it’s a chance for the Heat to cut it to 3 with a minute left. We saw that obviously wasn’t an insurmountable lead in that game.

Moral of the story, it’s not productive to second-guess a (at best) questionable choice that really was just a coin-flip, and one that most players would make. We won, he played well despite the missed lay-up.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 19, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, Ben always says that, no?

"I've had people say, 'I don't need to check the [player statistics]. I've seen it with my eyes.' Well, I would also say your eyes lie to you sometimes, and some of the guys you may really like and think are really doing things, when you get deeper into it, aren't or vice versa." ~Stan Van Gundy

by magicfaninTN on Mar 20, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

If he pulls the ball back we get a higher % shot and eat more clock. Jameer made the wrong decision in a key momement but made up for it in the final 1:21. It’s something he can’t do in the playoffs against certain teams. I’m sure Stan spoke with him about it so he’ll be better prepared next time.

"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"

by Warlando on Mar 19, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

To set the record straight....

I like Melsonr as a player alot. In fact, he’s one of my all time favorite Magic players. And I think he’s the best pg the Magic have ever had, including heart-and-hustle Darrel Armstrong and shuffle-down-the-lane-and-brick-yourself-on-the-bottom-of-the-backboard Scott Skiles.

by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Mar 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Penny was the best PG we ever had.

Two time first team All-NBA. If injuries hadn’t derailed him, he would’ve been an all-time great.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 19, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright...

I forgot about Penny, probably because he crushed all of my hoes and dreams.

by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Mar 19, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can always find more hoes, I'm sure.

J'aime manger de grandes quantités de cire de bougie. Vraiment? Omelette du fromage monsieur!

by Diosnomeama on Mar 19, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If only, lol...

yeah, just realized a nerd (the candy) was stuck under my “p” key…who knew that nerds could be funny and delicious.

by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Mar 19, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I know

I was just saying that Jameer’s missed layup was not a turning point that allowed the Heat back in the game and in fact his clutch performance in the final 1:20 of regulation helped get us to OT.

VC should always be the #1 option regardless of the opponent but the #2 option should be decided by the matchup. Against the Hawks it’s Dwight vs Al. Lakers it’s "Meer vs Fisher, Cavs it’s ’Meer vs Mo. Those are some of the only good matchups anyone else aside from Vince will have against any of the elite teams in crunch time. In the playoffs down the stretch Vince will dominate the rock.

"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"

by Warlando on Mar 19, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

but I like aggressive, I didn’t like his step back three point shot two feet behind the line at the end of the game. That is what I didn’t like about the way the Magic played, they had a lead and sometimes it seems they play not to lose instead of to win. I want them to eat up clock, but they can’t be afraid to turn the ball over so bad that they don’t move the ball.

by Eric9321 on Mar 19, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

if anyone has this on DVR, watch that conference between monty mccutchin and the two

coaches at the very end of regulation. you cant hear whats being said, you can only see SVGs facial responses. It is very funny. SVG is acting like the ref is telling him something completely absurd, obscene and criminal. i think Stan could be a surprisingly good actor.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Mar 19, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I heard on the microphones on the court what Jameer said to the referee

He said “where is the fucking foul, Mike?” and didn’t got a technical. Then as he continued to say stuff, he got it.

Then the referee said this to someone: “Don’t tell me seven times the same thing. If I hear the same thing six more times, I’m going to hit you (with a tech) too”.

I thought that was kinda funny.

Anyway, my problem with this game was Dwight. Now he has played exceptionally well in the last period, but tonight he looked like a role player on the floor. He was WEAK as in O’Neal had in for breakfast. I don’t know what’s up with this O’Neal name, but it seems every time Dwight meets a guy named “O’Neal” he has to has some problems that he usually doesn’t have.

I mean, he got blocked 4 times by Jermaine. No pump fakes, no low post moves, no nothing. Just frustration. On the last block on the dunk, Dwight just jumped 12-16 inches and attacked WEAK. I was thinking “who the hell is this guy???” because he didn’t looked dominant, strong, or 270 lbs at all. Dwight should have a mentality of killing people on the floor, like a young Shaq did.

Now I know this is just the regular season and all that, and that this post might sound harsh, or that someone will come in with a stat to show how good Dwight actually is/was/whatever against O’Neal, but I can only judge watching this game. I expect better.

Hopefully Dwight will pick it up and just forget about this game, but I’d really like him to attack more, and spin more. He always goes to the middle and he’s usually converting, it just didn’t fell for him tonight… but I’d love to see him spin baseline from time to time… everybody is playing him going to the middle.

Again, I hope he holds some stuff back for the playoffs… but the reality is that you need to have a permanent mentality of attacking and playing smart. You can’t just lay-off during the regular season and then, when the playoffs come, BAM! you’re a new man.

That’s why I fear about Vince’s ability in the playoffs to deliver, especially as it seems everyone expects godlike playing from him when the playoffs come.

by Raptorel on Mar 19, 2010 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

It was a back to back and Dwight is in a mini slump, so I wouldn’t worry about it too much. He should have played better, but sometimes the ball is not your friend and you do silly stuff that you can’t explain yourself. I wish he would learn not to let his offensive difficulties carry over to defense though.

by Eric9321 on Mar 19, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sometimes imagine myself being in Dwight's or Vince's skin

And just killing people on the floor. Almost literally. Just working and dunking on people and dominating. If I were an athletic center like Dwight is, I’d run the fast break and kill all the other non-athletic centers because they wouldn’t be able to keep up with me.

I’d literally sprint on the floor on the fast break or after any rebound.

by Raptorel on Mar 19, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he did that, he couldn't play as many minutes.

Although with his foul trouble, I guess it doesn’t really matter much anyways…

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 19, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do like the fact we're picking apart an OT win.

Especially considering it was on the road against a possible playoff opponent on the second night of a back-to-back in a game where our franchise player played 31 of a possible 53 minutes. Shows how far we’ve come.

I hate Varejao.

by slickw143 on Mar 19, 2010 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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