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Orlando Magic 123, New Orleans Hornets 117: The Morning After

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  • Vince Carter had his best performance as a Magic player --- and one of the best of his career with a 48-point effort against the New Orleans Hornets
    Brian Schmitz notes that Vince Carter had his best performance as an Orlando Magic player.

    Vince Carter said he'd be a new man in February.

    Carter wasn't only a new man on Monday night at Amway Arena. He reinvented his legend, scoring 48 points to lead the Orlando Magic in a 123-117 comeback victory against the New Orleans Hornets.

    Carter, who struggled through a forgettable January slump, hit 19-of-27 shots and six 3-pointers in his first signature performance since signing with the Magic, his boyhood team, last summer.

    It takes a lot to overshadow Dwight Howard. Howard had a monster game, too, with 25 points and 12 rebounds, but it was a night for Vinsanity.
  • Hornets rookie Darren Collison scores 27 points and records 9 assists, but the Magic slow him in the 2nd half
    Josh Robbins states that Darren Collison, the New Orleans Hornets' rookie point guard, played a little bit like Chris Paul.

    They were coming off of a draining win Sunday afternoon in Boston, while the Hornets hadn't played since Saturday. Nelson missed a game last week because of a hyperextended left knee, and Williams is 34 years old and has had looked fatigued in some second games of back-to-backs this season.

    Yet Collison's big night was anything but an anomaly for him. He entered Monday averaging 15.5 points and 7.7 assists per game in his 13 games this season as a starter.

    On Monday, he produced yet again.

    But the Hornets didn't produce the final result they wanted.
  • Denton: Magic-Hornets Postgame Analysis
    John Denton of OrlandoMagic.com mentions that the month of February, after his slump in January, has allowed Carter to hit the reset button and start from scratch.

    Now this is the Vince Carter that the Orlando Magic thought they were trading for all along, the Vince Carter they thought could give them an unstoppable, unflappable scorer on the wing.

    Carter promised when January turned to February that he would be re-inventing himself as a player and a leader. And after his latest spectacular showing – a 48-point effort masterpiece with 34 in the second half and 18 in the fourth quarter – he looks very much true to his word, if not re-born from the player who just recently turned 33 years old. [...]

    Carter had it rolling so much so that his teammates seemed to enjoy the performance as much as the 17,461 fans inside the arena did. Each Carter basket brought his teammates up off the bench and during one timeout Matt Barnes faked fanning him to cool him off.

    ``I thought it was Vinsanity out there tonight,’’ said Howard, referring to Carter’s nickname from earlier in his basketball life.

    Nelson said during one particular stretch of the second half he personally called Carter’s number on six consecutive possessions. Said Nelson: ``And he scored six times in a row. He’s here to score and that’s what he did.’’

More after the jump.

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  • Denton: Magic-Hornets Notes
    Denton writes about the history between head coach Stan Van Gundy and head coach/general manager Jeff Bower.

  • The Magic beat the Hornets
    Niall Doherty of Hornets247 comments on why the Hornets were able to jump out to an early lead against the Magic in the first half of last night's game.

    As much credit as New Orleans deserves for hanging with a tough team like Orlando tonight, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out the ridiculously hot shooting by the Hornets (especially in the first half), as well as the lackadaisical effort by the Magic coming off their big win in Boston yesterday. The Hornets played about as well as they could, but it still wasn't enough to beat a Magic team playing far from their best.
  • Vinsane Asylum
    Dime Magazine breaks down Carter's epic performance.

  • Vinsanity Returns Again in Orlando
    Tim Povtak of NBA FanHouse remarks that Vinsanity was back, at least for one evening.

    "That was Vinsanity tonight,'' said Magic center Dwight Howard. "When he's aggressive, attacking like he was tonight, it opens things up for everyone. When he's doing that, opponents have to pick their poison.'' [...]

    "It's been awhile since I've done something like this,'' Carter said. "The older you get, the more special these (games) are. But I'm capable of scoring. I can still play. We've just got so many weapons that it's not always what we need here.'' [...]

    "You're not going to see this very often from anyone,'' Van Gundy said. "In this league, you can see great plays, great players every night, but it's not very often you see a performance like this. This is one you can talk about years later.''
  • Baseline to Baseline
    Kurt Helin of ProBasketballTalk chimes in on Orlando's win against New Orleans.

    Game of the night because in the third quarter, the 2005 NBA Live version of Vince Carter showed up and took over. Gone was settling-for-jumpers Carter, replaced by the-rim-is-scared-of-me Carter. Vince dropped 48 on 70% shooting (6 of 10 from three), most of that in the second half. He hit circus shots with defenders draped on him. This is two good games in a row for Carter -- not a full blown trend yet, but if it becomes one the Magic just got a lot more scary.
  • Vince Carter Went NOVA… /sigh
    Zach Harper of Hardwood Paroxysm asserts that watching Carter go nova is a double-edged sword for those who watch him play.

  • Three Thoughts after Magic's 123-117 Win over Hornets

    Philip Rossman-Reich of Orlando Magic Daily analyzes Orlando's inconsistent bench production and attempts to figure out the root of the problem.

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Its called class.

Congrats Vince, glad to see you still got it in you. What was more impressive was just how silky smooth those shots were at the end. I would like to point out that it was classy for him to hold the ball there at the end…the Hornets not fouling him essentially meant they had conceded the game…so that was the right thing to do. Class like that is missing in today’s NBA considering there is no doubt in my mind a certain #8 on that West Coast team in southern California would of shot that ball to make sure he had 50 and was the opening story on SportsCenter.

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 8:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think you're way off on that last jab at Kobe.

He’s a bit too smart to not realize the negative publicity he would’ve gotten for doing that. Love him or hate him, he’s a very smart player.

by slickw143 on Feb 9, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hmmmmm….i don’t think so…the guy lives for these pointless accolades and glorify him to the mainstream media audience on ESPN…he is the king of negative publicity…do i need to elaborate on all the negative publicity he spewn on himself throughout his career? he takes that shot last night…or at least he refuses to inbound the ball when the hornets are fouling. that is kb8 for better or worse man…don’t be fouled by that championship last summer…he’s all about #8 and #8 being better than #23 (the original) only. vince carter has more class than that guy for sure.

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

*fooled

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Vince has more class.

And he probably does not inbound the ball in that situation. But c’mon, I believe you’re letting your own personal feeling skew reality a little bit.

by slickw143 on Feb 9, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i would agree with the last part of your comment. At least we can agree on the inbound pass part. ;)

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes his whole Colorado expedition was a publicity stunt?

that sure was a calculated move….

"Memphis then used a pick-and-roll to get Conley free and he drove past Shaquille O'Neal for the go-ahead layup."

by BS Patrol on Feb 9, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he sure planned for a one-night stand to accuse him of rape.

Every athlete who has those better stop cold-turkey or else end up like Kobe.

(Mini-tangent: Ben Roethlisberger got accused of something very similar last year, yet he hasn’t been killed nearly as much as Kobe. Is it just because of how things went with Kobe’s case or because he’s Ben and Kobe’s Kobe? Who knows.)

by slickw143 on Feb 9, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion

Wortlessburger is just not in the same ball park with Kobe when it comes to fame.

Ben was the product of Nasty D.

Kobe in some peoples eyes rival Jordan.

And as much as no one will admit it, Race had something to do with it as well. Not saying how much but it was just as much a factor as Ben not being nearly as Famous as Kobe…

"Memphis then used a pick-and-roll to get Conley free and he drove past Shaquille O'Neal for the go-ahead layup."

by BS Patrol on Feb 9, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha. Maybe in Laker fans eyes. But the truth is KB8 doesn’t and will never rival MJ. It’s a fact. KB8 has never made anyone around him better like MJ for starters. But I’m not even going to continue with this debate. Kobe is a scorer and that’s why comparisons are drawn but MJ was a complete team player, the other guy isnt. Now LeBron and MJ…that might be a story in a few years.

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Kobe was guilty in Colorado but the prosecution royally screwed up the case.

That’s partly why the press was bad but of course, there were other factors I rather not mention.

Let’s just end the topic right there.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually wasn’t even thinking about the rape stuff. They’ve done such a good job making us forget about that fiasco. I was more talking about the negative stuff on the court, such as…the feud with Shaq…absolutely 100% quitting in the 2nd half of game 7 against the Suns in 2007…throwing a rookie and a GM under the bus in an obscenity laced tirade to a couple of fans in a parking lot of all places…shooting air ball after air ball back in the day against the Jazz…the rough play/flagrant fouls/elbows to the head and faces of Bibby, Mike Miller, Ginobili, etc…scoring 81 points while putting his team at risk of losing…copying the MJ fist pump…the stupid looking under growl he just decided to start doing last year…that negative press…the shit that is a lot more calculated than what happened in CO.

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was pretty bad.

Dude has his issues, that’s for sure. I will point out that the 81 points he scored was not putting his team at risk of losing since they were down by like 20 at halftime before he really exploded in the 2nd half.

by slickw143 on Feb 9, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Monta Ellis? LOL

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah Monta…exactly…

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it bad

That my reaction to Carter’s night is “OK, now do it again…”

?

by eltharion_doa on Feb 9, 2010 8:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

no that’s honestly what i thought last night too…i mean i don’t expect 50 every night…but i would love to see shooting like that in the 4th at least a couple more times before the playoffs. : p

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...Consistency is the key

I don’t expect him to have this performance every night, in fact, I want him to save it for the post season. If he can just stay healthy and be consistent with his production during the regular season and we’ll be ok.

by jax502 on Feb 9, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, if it comes down to it.

I have the players I want taking the shot in order of:
1.) Rashard 2.) Vince 3.) JJ 4.) Jameer.

by slickw143 on Feb 9, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no 3 from Dwight? lol.

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd choose Dwight over Jameer.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NO

because one 48 point game isn’t going to us the championship..

He has played well over the last 4 games.

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, but people do need to be realistic.

If Vince can play like he did against Boston on Sunday on a near consistent basis, Orlando will be fine. And if Carter can pull out one of his Vinsanity performances here and there, that would be absolutely perfect.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If this is what a visit from

Lawrence Frank can do to VC’s game we need to make this guy an offer he can’t refuse!

The Hornets were playing light’s out – couldn’t miss on offense so this comeback showed me a lot about the Magic when they put their mind to it!

The test to their collective will power will be later this week though!!

by Jaxfann on Feb 9, 2010 9:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

We took that Hornets team’s best shot and pulled out a win. Any team playing at their best is capable of beating any team on a given night, so it’s a good sign that we pulled that out. Peja hitting crossover to fade-away corner threes in the 4th like this was 2002? Unbelievable.

by slickw143 on Feb 9, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DUDE! I KNOW

I like Peja though..

"Memphis then used a pick-and-roll to get Conley free and he drove past Shaquille O'Neal for the go-ahead layup."

by BS Patrol on Feb 9, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Peja was ballin'.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes people need to get the crap out of their system.

I’m a big believer in motivation from within. (Excuse the cliche, please.) But seriously, VC always had the talent, and with him it’s always been a question of how deep he’s willing to dig to bring it all out. He’s clearly got a second wind. We can only hope it takes him through the end of the season and beyond …

by jMagic09 on Feb 9, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Let's hope.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So does VC have this game if the Peja and co. aren't going off as well?

Probably not, but nevertheless, it was good to see that fire in him. You could tell he was really pumped and was not going to let his team lose this one. He is starting to look like the leader we have been looking for.

by bandrewg08 on Feb 9, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

As the game progressed, you just had the feeling that Carter wasn’t going to let the Magic lose.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with jMagic

All the VC haters are pretty quiet this morning. I think some time off during the all star break will let him rest his legs but outstanding game last night for VC.

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by Wally Balls 407 on Feb 9, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No kidding.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that was a pleasant surprise.

Carter looked fresh and spry.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure there are as many haters, as doubters..

The month of the January gave people plenty of reason to doubt him.. A month long slump is a long slump..

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll admit that I doubted him last month

but I still believe he can help us win a championship. Last night showed that when VC is in the zone he can carry us. As was mentioned in a previous post, more consistency and less forcing shots is what’s going to have to happen for a repeat appearance in the finals.

A little OT but, how many more back to back games do we play this season? It can’t be very many.

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by Wally Balls 407 on Feb 9, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Last night is the reason I was happy we traded for him..

I said he was a guy who could hit 40 points any night.. Turk is not..

That shoulder must be getting better, he made a couple left hand lay-ups. He has been very hesistant to use the left during his slump..

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can he hit 40 "any night" though?

Or could he just hit 40 last night?

I’m not convinced this wasn’t the last hurrah of a player who’s done at the top level and not adjusting to the demands of being a complementary piece. I’m not saying Vince is done – just that one performance isn’t sufficient evidence for me.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 9, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Healthy and hot- he can do it.

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 9:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Most decent players can fill it up when they’re hot. The problem is getting hot consistently, and producing well when not hot.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 10, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Time will tell. I sure hope he turns the corner.

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by Wmillion on Feb 10, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not many, I don't believe.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A month?

He was lousy in December too — 40.4% from the field, 27.8% for 3. Only good December stat for Vince was the 4.1 assists.

And in November — 40.4% from the field again. 32.8% for three, but only 2.1 assists.

I mean, I hope things get better for him. But focusing on the horrendous slump in January shouldn’t distract anyone from the fact that he’s been pretty bad all year.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Feb 9, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was a sight for sore eyes.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

D@mn recession

I can’t even afford ESPN insider.

Hollinger has article up about PER. Can someone let me know what Monta Ellis’s PER is? Rashard Lewis too.. Thank you..

Link to article

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 1:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Basketball-reference.com

You can look up all types of advanced stats on there or on 82games.com. Without buying Insider.

by slickw143 on Feb 9, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

basketball-reference

Advanced stats chart, somewhere on the left-ish side of the table.

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by magicfaninTN on Feb 9, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

man..

the Warriors are beat-up..

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hollinger said Ellis is overrated and obviously, I agree.

Someone put it best, he’s the new Iverson.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

overrated??

and the new Iverson? Then he wouldn’t be overrated., Iverson is going to be a HOFer. When you say overrated, how is being rated, to be overrated?

He isn’t an all-star.. Your saying he isn’t an above average 2 guard?

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Iverson was overrated, too. Put up gaudy numbers but sacrificed efficiency to do it.

Ellis is an above-average shooting guard but not All-Star caliber.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can we just at least all agree that the season’s first true test, albeit it is on the heels of a back to back, is Thursday night in Cleveland? No excuses fellas….

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There is definitely an excuse.

It’s the last game before the All-Star break, in Cleveland, and the 5th game in 7 nights. Unfortunately, it feels like a loss waiting to happen. I think there will be a big statement if the Magic win, but I’m not expecting much and I don’t think many should be. I just hope they don’t get blown out.

by slickw143 on Feb 9, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cavs are regular season giants

Get them in a series, you and them, no back to backs, Hell give them Home court. We all know what happened…

Now I know the teams are all changed and what not from last May But I have a feeling come May it will be the same old song, just a different tune.(Since you been gone!)

"Memphis then used a pick-and-roll to get Conley free and he drove past Shaquille O'Neal for the go-ahead layup."

by BS Patrol on Feb 9, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus…the Cavs don’t have Matt Barnes for that 7 game series…. :P

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, they are regular season giants.

And this game takes place in the regular season. In a very tough circumstance. It does not look good.

by slickw143 on Feb 9, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think people need to be realistic considering the circumstances.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that is realistic though…why cant we beat those guys…?? they are playing out of their minds…yes…but we brought them back to reality last year during the regular season as well…

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BenQ or erivera7 or anyone

Did Shard play the 3 or 4 in seattle in 03-07?

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He actually played a lot of 2 from 2003 to 2005…recall at one point they had some goofy lineup with Booth, Radmanovic, Shard, Barry, and Lewis…Allen ran the point and Barry was a 3…pretty off the wall stuff considering they were all a bunch of shooters over 6"6…talk about soft.

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i meant Allen instead of Lewis

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Small forward, mostly.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know you mentioned Shard not defending 3's well

His DRTG was better in Seattle than in Orlando? You just attribute that to age?

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His Defensive Rating was worse in Seattle because the Sonics were awful, defensively.

Defensive Rating is a flawed statistic to look at for an individual player because it’s too team dependent. Nevertheless, [art of the reason why is because Lewis can’t guard small forwards.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DRTG the higher the better, correct?

Shard’s Seattle D rating is higher than it is here..

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

gotcha, thanks..

but, ORTG is higher the better?

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Everything is opposite when it comes to offensive/defensive numbers in basketball, with regards to advanced statistics. The higher ORtg the better, the lower DRtg the better, the higher the offensive +/- the better, the lower the defensive +/- the better, etc.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I-N-C-R-E-D-I-B-L-E!!!

And I have to say I too, was one of those that had serious doubts about VC, right around the third week of Jan. But in my head, I remembered Martina Navratilova and how she overcame a serious mental block that prevented her from winning Tennis Finals… she worked it through and the rest is History… didn’t lose one again!

That’s greatness for me. A player with the rich history that preceded Carter HAD to have it in him! He proved it to me and everyone else…

Now, I know he won’t be doing this often; if he can average 18 points/game on 48-50% shooting, we’ll be alright. It’s his shot selection that has me a little, just a little uneasy… hope he keeps his TEAM play up… right through the playoffs, and on to our first Championship!

GO CARTER!

by manny55 on Feb 9, 2010 3:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's the shot selection that's the thing with Vince

If he takes good shots and misses, then that’s it. His basketball IQ is too high to make these kinds of mistakes. His court vision is too good to make these kinds of mistakes. And so on.

by Raptorel on Feb 9, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, one more thing Vince has to play with a swagger, with "arrogance"

And I don’t mean arrogance as in a bad thing. He has to play and believe he is the best player on the floor. He plays his best when he plays with this mentality.

You can see that in his body language, and I believe he had it in him in this game. When he’s “deffering” to other players and wants to “fit in” he plays much, much worse.

That doesn’t mean at all he should take all the shots or that he should not pass or whatnot. It just means that he has to be himself.

by Raptorel on Feb 9, 2010 3:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Carter played with swag last night, that's for sure.

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by erivera7 on Feb 9, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's been a good start in February

and the Magic are 9-2 for the second half of hte season so far.

VC – 26.5/5.5/4. 53% FG, 60% 3-point & 86% FT.
Dwight – 20.8/13.5/3.5. 59% FG & 66% FT.
Rashard – 14.3/3.8/.5. 42% FG, 53% 3-point, 80% FT & 1.5 steals per game.
Jameer – 10.3/1.3/6.3. 35% FG, 33% 3-point & 86% FT.
Barnes – 8.3/4.8/2.3. 50% FG, 57% 3-point & 88% FT.

J.Will – 8.3/3.5/3.3. 52% FG, 57% 3-point 100% FT (7-7) & 1 steal per game.
J.J. – 7/2.5/1.5. 53% FG, 38% 3-point, 78% FT & zero TO’s in 5 games and counting.

Gortat – 2.5/3.3/.8. 33% FG.
Pietrus – 6.7/3.7/.3. 35% FG, 33% 3-point & 50% FT.
Bass – 4/1/1. 67% FG, a steal & a block.

Then thre’s Ryan Anderson trying to 1up VC’s month of January.
Anderson – 1.3/1.3/.67. 11% FG, 0% 3-point (0-5) & 100% FT. 2 Ast & 4 TO.

Was there was more to Bass getting playing time than the match up?

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by Warlando on Feb 9, 2010 5:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bass looked bad last night though.

He was absolutely lost on defense in the 2nd quarter.

by slickw143 on Feb 9, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

poor guy…

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by KingJafi on Feb 9, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree about the defensive part

No D and no 3 point shooting? Poor chances on the Orlando team.

by Raptorel on Feb 9, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

at least he came out 2 for 2... :)

He had a nice block.. The guy has so much energy..

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha..

He plays VC through his struggles and keeps RA out of the game because of his..

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by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering why he didn't play

I think he knew tho, because he looked pretty sad before the game. I hope he gets to play against the bulls.

by GoMagicGo on Feb 9, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Bass could play D

it would give SVG even more options. His mid range game could yield positive numbers when he’s on the floor and have a good impact but only if he can play defense. What I like about Bass is they don’t have to create for him, just dump it down into the post and he’s fine. That could work nicely when we’ve got a lineup of say J. Will, MP, Barnes & Gortat because it would give us another scoring option that can create for himself since MP, Barnes & Gortat kinda need to be set up.

I’m not counting on a big turnaround on D since he will likely be seeing little minutes. I’m pretty sure he gets moved in the off season. The question will be who joins him. Gortat, AJ or no one. A lot change from now until then but for right now, assuming J. Will can return next season, I think those are the 3 players that are most likely to be moved. If they move all 3 of them it would yield $12.2 million next season for the incoming player(s) they would receive plus the $9 million trade exception they have so up to $21.2 for next season. Some of the existing contracts will increase about $5.5 million combined next season. Could we get 2 good players that could make a real impact (like Barnes & J. Will have) for those 3 players? Maybe a good defensive 5 with some offense and a young PG? Or are we better off keeping Gortat since we have the Twin Towers option?

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by Warlando on Feb 9, 2010 9:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bass just hasn't gotten it going defensively at all whenever he gets playing time.

That lineup you listed would never be on the floor together: Williams/Pietrus/Barnes/Bass/Gortat. JJ would always be in the game with that lineup rather than Barnes. It is generally a bad idea to have two players on the floor at the same time that can’t shoot well.

In re: the trades – We will probably not pickup AJ next season unless it is for the veteran minimum. Bass is likely to be traded unless his defense picks up tremendously. Gortat is also unlikely to be moved, but it could happen if the offer is right. The trade exception we have from the sign/trade with Turk is only 6.8 million.

by MagicMark on Feb 9, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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