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Addressing the John Salmons for J.J. Redick Rumor

As with all rumors, they should be taken with a grain of salt but this particular one garnered some buzz around the internet before last night's game between the Orlando Magic and the Milwaukee Bucks.

 

Via Alex Kennedy of HOOPSWORLD:

 

Teams are calling about J.J. Redick but he has been playing so well lately. [...] His play has attracted suitors but Orlando may not want to move him since he's done so well as an insurance policy to Carter. I've heard that Chicago is interested in Redick and could offer John Salmons and his expiring contract for Redick and a filler (probably Bass or Johnson). If Orlando makes a move, it's going to be something smaller like this that doesn't change the face of the team but could still make an impact.

 

Later, Kennedy specified that the Chicago Bulls initiated the trade talks but there was little interest from the Magic. Whether or not the rumor is true is somewhat irrelevant because the move in question can be analyzed, regardless, to see whether or not it'd be the right decision - theoretically - if Orlando were to acquire Salmons in a deal. 

 

In short, no.

 

But let's delve deeper.

 

Star-divide

For those that don't know much about Salmons, here's what John Hollinger of ESPN Insider and Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus had to say about him before the 2009-2010 season got underway:

 

Hollinger

Though he's prioritized offense lately, Salmons has the quickness to be a top-notch defender if he focused more on it. In Sacramento he seemed wholly disinterested but upped his effort level when he got to Chicago and wasn't bad. He can stay in front of most wing players and can chase players through screens, but he could be a lot better with more consistent effort, as he was earlier in his career. When he plays small forward, however, bigger and more physical 3s do give him some trouble, as he gives up inches and pounds in that setting. 

 

Offensively, Salmons was deadly last season, but he's getting quite a reputation as a me-first shot-hunter. He's a notorious ball-stopper who will spend five seconds jab-stepping in order to find a shot while everyone else stands and watches, although he's good at setting up teammates once he puts the ball on the floor. His snit two years ago about coming off the bench in Sacramento adds to this impression. 

 

Salmons' work on improving his game must be admired, however. He's made substantial progress as a shooter since entering the league and has also developed a variety of runners and midrange shots that simply weren't in his arsenal a few years ago. 

 

Pelton

John Salmons has steadily grown from a little-used reserve in his early days with the 76ers to one of the more underrated combo wing players in the NBA. Salmons was a godsend to the Bulls’ playoff push last season as they scrambled for solutions in the wake of Luol Deng’s absence. Salmons not only filled Deng’s spot in the lineup but was actually an upgrade over what the Bulls had been getting from their enigmatic young forward. 

 

Salmons has a solid inside-outside game, able to get past longer defenders and finish or draw contact and get to the line. He’s got nice touch from the perimeter and displayed newfound range last season, taking more three-pointers than before and converting a higher percentage. How much of that improvement was real will likely help Vinny Del Negro determine how to divvy up time between Salmons, Deng and Kirk Hinrich. On defense, Salmons is about average, with limited athleticism and length for a wing player. 

 

Let's address Salmons' offense because that's going to serve as the crux of this write-up in determining whether or not it would be wise for the Magic to give up Redick for him. Hollinger and Pelton noted Salmons' career-season on the offensive side of the ball last year but wondered if the spikes in his shooting percentages were sustainable or not. Hollinger, in particular, was skeptical:

 

Offensively, I wouldn't trust his statistical improvement from a year ago to hold up this year. While he's made genuine improvements as an offensive player, it's hard to believe that he's truly a 41 percent 3-point shooter or a deadly midrange marksman, as he appeared to be for much of last season. Historically, sudden one-year jumps in those categories tend to crash back to earth the next.

 

And guess what, those categories have crashed back to earth. This year, Salmons' statistics on the offensive side of the ball jive very closely with the numbers he's posted for his career. That's not good for Salmons because he's, more or less, not an efficient player on offense if he isn't shooting above his norm, which he hasn't shown he can consistently do apart from last year.


2009-2010 career
FG/36 4.8 4.7
FGA/36 11.7 10.5
TS% 52.2% 54.1%
eFG% 48.3% 49.1%
Offensive Rating 105 106

 

As for the other end of the court, the stats indicate that Salmons has been an above-average defender for the Bulls this season. Hollinger suggests that Salmons, as long as he's consistent with his effort, can be a net positive on defense and the statistics seem to show that. Granted, advanced defensive metrics are a work in progress, but they do paint a decent picture as to how good or bad a player is on defense.

John Salmons
defensive adj. plus/minus -2.46
opponent PER vs. SG's 15.0
defensive net plus/minus -3.0
eFG% allowed 47.6%

 

But again, the issue with Salmons is his offense. Salmons' numbers have been underwhelming this season and don't stack up favorably when compared to Redick's numbers. Note the similarities in usage rate, yet the disparities in efficiency for both players.

 

Yes, Redick is having a career-season and certainly his production could be anomalous. But that's highly doubtful. Why? Redick has always been known as a shooter and his statistics in the past showed that if he could put it all together, he could produce like he has this year. Simple as that. Nothing in the stats indicate that Redick is producing at a relatively unsustainable rate.

On the defensive side of the ball, Redick has been average.

J.J. Redick
defensive adj. plus/minus +2.48
opponent PER vs. SG's 14.3
defensive net plus/minus +4.0
eFG% allowed 48.0%

 

All in all, Salmons has the natural advantage on defense and Redick has the natural advantage on offense. Who's better, overall? 

John Salmons J.J. Redick
Games Played 45 49
Minutes Played 33.6 23.2
1 year adj. plus/minus +0.18 -2.96
net plus/minus +2.2 -5.1
statistical plus/minus +0.34 +0.30
PER 12.5 14.8
WARP 0.3 1.3
Win Shares 3.0 4.1

 

For general manager Otis Smith, it wouldn't make sense acquiring Salmons and giving up Redick in the process. First, Redick is entering the prime of his career and is playing at an age (25) that is ideal for the Magic, when considering the youth of Dwight Howard (24), Jameer Nelson (27), and others, as opposed to Salmons (30). Second, given that Matt Barnes and Mickael Pietrus are on the roster, the last thing the Magic need is another inefficient wing player with size who can play defense. Third, Orlando has no room for a player like Salmons that is a "me-first shot-hunter" and a "notorious ball-stopper" who has an affinity to "spend five seconds jab-stepping" before attempting a shot. There's more reasons but it should be clear trading Redick away in this instance wouldn't be a smart move by any means. Complicating matters is the fact that Salmons wouldn't be a good fit with the Magic.

 

Orlando could consider starting Vince Carter at shooting guard and Salmons at small forward with Pietrus and Barnes backing them up, respectively. But the team wouldn't be as good, defensively, because Salmons can't effectively guard opposing small forwards and vice-versa with Carter. Additionally, the Magic would be worse as a team because Redick, currently the most efficient player on the team by a wide margin when strictly looking at Offensive Rating (124.3 - 2nd in the NBA), would be absent from the bench to provide a spark on offense. An additional way of examining the comparison between the two players is determining whether or not Redick's advantages on offense overweigh Salmons' advantages on defense from a statistical standpoint. In this case, they do, which is why acquiring Salmons - at best - would be a lateral move.

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"Memphis then used a pick-and-roll to get Conley free and he drove past Shaquille O'Neal for the go-ahead layup."

by BS Patrol on Feb 3, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

No way..

I would be absolutely pissed if we got rid of JJ now. I have had him for 5 years waiting for him to blossom. Now that he is, all of the waiting seems justified. To trade him would be silly.

by i2ambler on Feb 3, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

I understood 100%

I feel the same way. Pride. I am Proud for how hard he has worked to get where he is!

"Memphis then used a pick-and-roll to get Conley free and he drove past Shaquille O'Neal for the go-ahead layup."

by BS Patrol on Feb 3, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

On the topic of pissed

Would not JJ be a little irked?

"Memphis then used a pick-and-roll to get Conley free and he drove past Shaquille O'Neal for the go-ahead layup."

by BS Patrol on Feb 3, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but like I said, Redick isn't going anywhere for the time being.

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by erivera7 on Feb 4, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Seems like a weird deal

The Magic would become old in less then a season when they seemed young a year ago trading Lee and JJ for Carter and Salmons. I would want Carter replaced, not JJ.

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by L Magico on Feb 3, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

When you compare a top shape Vince vs a top shape Salmons, Vince wins in any regard whatsoever

Salmons is pretty much a scorer and that’s all. Vince at top form, even at this age, is better in any category.

Really, there should be no trade at all. Keep both Vince and JJ.

by Raptorel on Feb 3, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It's counter-intuitive, exactly.

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by erivera7 on Feb 4, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Hornets fan here

I have to say the last thing your team need is john salmons. He to me is a good player, but I don’t think he would fit in well with orlando. He seems to be kind of a ball killer. When the ball is in his hand he doesnt pass he just shoots, and movement stops. He is to one on one oriented. Orlando has alot of talented wing players. Like Pietrus, Barnes, Reddick. I say no to the trade. Plus it seems like you guys are finally startng to play good ball, another trade could mess up chemistry again. Anyway cheers good luck with the rest of the year I think if you guys play to your potential i see another finals trip on the horizon.

by Jamian B on Feb 3, 2010 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Like I said, I'm for no trade as well

Even Brandon Bass should be kept because he’s a back-up for any potential injury at either the 4th or 5th spot.

by Raptorel on Feb 3, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

btw, one "d" in Redick. :-)

Thanks for your good thoughts.

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by magicfaninTN on Feb 3, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Appreciate the input.

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by erivera7 on Feb 4, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

John Salmons has been a big disappointment for the Bulls this season

They inserted him as the starting SG at the beginning of the season to take Ben Gordon’s place, but it didn’t work out, and Salmons was benched in late December with Kirk Hinrich taking his place as the starting SG.

He has provided a spark at times coming off the Bulls’ bench, but he is still very inconsistent, as evidenced by his 2 points in 25 minutes last night against the Clippers.

Salmons’ Points Per 36 Minutes has declined from 17.5 last season to 13.6 this season, and his FG% from 47.3% to 41.3%.

The Magic are developing very good team chemistry with Redick being the huge spark that he’s been off the bench lately; trading him for Salmons would really disrupt that chemistry, and would hurt the Magic’s chances of advancing far in the playoffs.

I usually don’t comment on trade rumors, but I had to say something about this one.

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by Mike from Illinois on Feb 3, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

You nailed it, Mike.

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by erivera7 on Feb 4, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Although trading JJ for Salmons is a bad idea...

If it did go down, the goatee growing contest between Salmons and Rashard would be epic!!!

by Mr.Hoss on Feb 3, 2010 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

You just talked me into wanting this trade now.

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by funny80sguy on Feb 3, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Dark horse candidate: Mirror Universe Ryan Anderson.

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by 3.3seconds on Feb 3, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL, of course.

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by erivera7 on Feb 4, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

JJ is better, younger, cheaper and he's already on the team.

How is this even a thing?

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by 3.3seconds on Feb 3, 2010 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

It isn't, but I thought the rumor would be interesting to talk about.

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by erivera7 on Feb 4, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

its funny everyone calling to trade carter will eat their words here in a few months when he is dominating in the playoffs.

carter is fine. he is having a bad stretch. but every player has short and long stretch,s of bad play.come playoff time all who bash him will be praising his play watch.

by magicman775 on Feb 3, 2010 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

Trade JJ - Hell no

I know in the past the Magic have done some dumb a$$ things and this would be enough to Pi$$ a wooden Indian off. JJ and Howard are the only players that I like, so go trade the rest of the team. Oh this really leaks me off. Just the thought of something like this is very upsetting and if it happens I’ll no longer be a season ticket holder.

by far-way on Feb 3, 2010 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

If you read closely, you'll notice that the Magic didn't take too serious to the Bulls' offer.

Don’t worry, Redick isn’t going anywhere. At least, not yet.

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by erivera7 on Feb 4, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't trade J.J. for Salmons

definitely wouldn’t trade J.J. & Bass for Salmons. Cheaper, younger, better & he knows the system. No thanks.

It wouldn’t be wise to move anyone seeing regular minutes. Maybe a backup PG as insurance for Jameer but if we don’t make a move by the deadline I’m fine with that too becasue Bass should be the only one who isn’t off limits . If it’s Bass for Chalmers I’m down but otherwise I’d keep Bass, roll the dice with Jameer’s health & see what the off-season brings.

by Warlando on Feb 3, 2010 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

Bass for Chalmers? No way, that'd be a bad deal from the Magic's perspective.

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by erivera7 on Feb 4, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Where's TGS?

I figured she would have some input on the subject! lol

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Feb 3, 2010 8:22 PM EST reply actions  

we can't get rid of JJ

who I viciously demean then?? :(

I'm a girl.

by TheGiantSquid on Feb 3, 2010 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

Patrick Ewing?

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I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Feb 3, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Vince?

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by 4QB on Feb 3, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

way too easy

plus I’d be called a bad fan

I'm a girl.

by TheGiantSquid on Feb 4, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't we already call you that? lol.

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by magicfaninTN on Feb 4, 2010 3:41 AM EST up reply actions  

If you can't demean Patrick Chewing...

Dad? I realize you wouldn’t get many opportunities, but he’s still got an awkward style of play.

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by The Dark on Feb 4, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I love Dad

he’s amazing. >:(

I'm a girl.

by TheGiantSquid on Feb 4, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Cap Space?

I think the only reason Otis should do this trade is to clear up capspace and Brandon Bass seemingly bad contract. With the emergence of Ryan Anderson he has become a really expensive insurance policy. I’m still against it though, I agree that John Salmons would be a horrible fit for the Magic and would kill it’s championship aspirations.

Also, I’m really happy to be making my first post here, I have been lurking for a long time and love the quality of the writing and analysis on this blog.

by Eric27 on Feb 3, 2010 9:14 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for dropping by and providing your thoughts.

It’s much appreciated.

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by erivera7 on Feb 4, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Well i think you guys are wrong

I know there is some sort of crush between Magic fans and JJ Redick, and quite certainly, i’m not qualified to tell you exactly WHY. He is an average role player with below average physical gifts. You are seeing his peak right now. He reminds me of a worse Nelson from last year. Nelson’s numbers also took a huge statistical jump. Like in the case of Salmons and Nelson, these 1 year jumps are typically followed by collapses the next year.

Here is JJ Redick’s TS% for his entire 4 year career:
56.9%, 56.9%, 56.2%, 61.7%

Do you see the 1 year huge jump? What’s the difference between Salmons and Nelson last year and JJ Redick this year? How much does anyone want to bet that Redick’s numbers will fall drastically next year, perhaps back down to his career average of 56%? Just like Nelson/Salmons have done.

Here is Redick’s eFG% for 4 years:
50.8%, 52.3%, 50.3%, 55.8%

Again, all in the low 50’s until a huge jump this year.

Let’s look at 3pt FG%
38.8%, 39.5%, 37.4%, 41.4%

How about his PER?\
13.0, 12.7, 9.9, 14.8

I guess this one is a bit different, as the jump is not as extreme. The funny part of it is that even though Redick is having this “amazing” year, his PER is still BELOW the average NBA player. Basically, i think you guys may have some sort of crush on Redick which is not allowing you to see him clearly. First off, even if he stays at his current level, it is nothing to write home about. Secondly, even though his efficiency has gone up dramatically, it is a 1 year jump. Expect it to fall back down to earth next year.

A straight swap between Redick and Salmons? Of course you make that trade, as long as winning a championship is your goal. Salmons is the much better player.

by plyka on Feb 3, 2010 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

Getting older and less efficient doesn't make ansy sense. Even if Redick regresses slightly, he's more efficient than Salmons.

I think it’s a no-brainer in the other direction. Of course you don’t give up your youngest wing player for another 30something veteran. Were this trade to happen, it’d leave the Magic with precisely 4 young guys: Howard, Anderson, Gortat, and Bass. Notice a pattern? They’re all bigs! Nelson and Pietrus turn 28 next week, so it’s not like they’re old, but still: you have exactly no young players on the wings. Even if you parlay Bass into a guy like D.J. Augustin, you’re still worse off than before.

Further, there’s nothing that suggests Redick’s shooting is fluky. Check HoopData. His ability to finish at the rim has improved each season, and he’s making his long two-pointers at an acceptable rate. Last year, part of the reason he shot so poorly overall was he couldn’t hit the long two-pointer (32%), and took a ton of them (26% of his shots came from 16-23 feet). But look at those percentages again: as I noted in my evaluation of Redick last year, his long two-point percentage was a fluky low, and he was due to bounce back… which he has. Also note how few of his shots are assisted. He’s gone from a spot-up specialists to a guy who can create for himself off the dribble, either going to the basket or pulling up for a J.

There’s no statistical evidence that indicates Redick’s having an outlier of a year. Really. And you say he’s below average based on PER, but consider his role: he’s not there to rebound, or make plays (though he certainly can!). No, he’s on the floor because he can score. And he scores at an incredibly efficient rate that he should be able to maintain for the next several seasons.

You’re selling him far too short.

by Evan Dunlap on Feb 3, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Good arguments, Ben.

But don’t feed the trolls.

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by magicfaninTN on Feb 4, 2010 3:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Last year, not this year, was the fluke.

Look again at his numbers — he had a prolonged run of bad luck on long-range shots last year, which camouflaged the improvement in his overall game.

And I think the thing I would say is that Salmons is a bad-team starter, and Redick is a good-team backup. Salmons is the more gifted player, most likely. But he’s also a high-volume, low-percentage shooter who struggles to play within teams. Or to put it differently, Salmons may do more for you, but Redick does way less against you. The fact that Redick can contribute without demanding shots or introducing an element of risk/disruption is invaluable.

(It’s also not clear whether Salmons is declining with age. So that’s another consideration.)

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by 3.3seconds on Feb 4, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

This year might be slightly flukey on threes, but that's it

.414 is better than any year in college except his senior year (when he shot .421 from three), but it’s possible his range is just that good. It’s hard to say. Last year was definitely flukey bad, though.

The rest of his game is where he’s improved in my eyes. While his rebounds per 36 minutes is the lowest of his career, we’ve got better rebounders than in the past. This also artificially lowers his PER – he’s being penalized for Dwight and Marcin being good rebounders and not letting the guards get them. As for his non-shooting stats per 36 minutes over his career:

Assists
2.1, 2.1, 2.4, 3.0

Turnovers
1.2, 2.0, 1.7, 1.2

Fouls
3.0, 3.8, 2.3, 2.6

JJ’s fouling less, assisting more, and turning the ball over less. He does foul slightly more than Salmons (by 0.1 fouls/36 minutes), but he also gets more assists and turns the ball over less.

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by The Dark on Feb 4, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

This

And I’ll add that J.J. = Iron Man Contest. He’s 25 and starting to peak his 4th year. Salmons started to peak his 5th year at 26. He increased his numbers for the next 3 years after the initial spike but is slowing down this year at age 30. I think it’s fair to say he’s not as quick as he was and likely more injury prone.

Orlando’s a difficult squad to put up good numbers on because 4 guys command the ball most of the game. The rest of the team has to be efficient with limited touches and shots. Salmons needs the ball more than J.J. which would take away shots from Dwight. Salmons is a better scorer than J.J. but he’s got a shooters mentality and we don’t need another shooter. He will win you some games and lose you some games. J.J. doesn’t take enough shots to lose you games and he’s efficient enough to win you games. J.J. turns it over less and TO’s are already an issue when you have Dwight so that’s another negative on Salmons. J.J. also puts up his numbers on a contending team where you can’t take any plays off on either end of the floor.

Basically everything suggests it’s a bad trade for the Magic even it’s Redick for Salmons straight up.

by Warlando on Feb 4, 2010 1:04 AM EST reply actions  

See, that's the thing.

This year, I wouldn’t consider Salmons a better scorer than Redick because he’s not.

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by erivera7 on Feb 4, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

To be honest, this is an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" kind of situation.

There are several question marks with the Magic. Redick isn’t close to being one of them. He may or may not be more than a solid backup, but he’s definitely a solid backup. He plays within the system, gets along with the team, and clearly isn’t injury-prone. If you have a good team — and the Magic are a good team — you don’t trade that guy. That guy is a valuable role player, and the consequences of upsetting that balance drastically outweigh any small gains you might get by acquiring a better role player.

(If Salmons is a better player, which (last year notwithstanding) he isn’t.)

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by 3.3seconds on Feb 4, 2010 1:57 AM EST reply actions  

I think that's why the Magic didn't take too much interest in the Bulls' offer.

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by erivera7 on Feb 4, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

The funny thing is that Salmons doesn't have an expiring contract unless you believe he won't pick up his player option.

(Does anybody believe that Salmons will turn down 5.8 million dollars next year? Me either.) It’s a great idea for the Bulls if they could pull it off, but why the Magic do it is well beyond me.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 4, 2010 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

Right.

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by erivera7 on Feb 5, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I went to college with John Salmons. He’s a nice guy. Just don’t want him on the Magic atm.

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by KingJafi on Feb 5, 2010 8:54 AM EST reply actions  

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