Jameer Nelson Explains the 1/2 Pick and Roll
Yesterday, I examined the 1/2 pick & roll, which involved Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter, and showed how the Orlando Magic used the play in the fourth quarter, at the behest of head coach Stan Van Gundy, to beat the Cleveland Cavaliers on Sunday. Today, I want to share Nelson's detailed explanation of the play, which Ben transcribed after the game.
What did you think of the play that led to Carter's dunk?
That wasn't Vince. That was Sanity right there. I call him Sanity when he does stuff like that.
What did you see there?
Well, we ran a one-two pick-and-roll and ran it six or seven times in a row, and they never stopped it. Only reason why they stopped one of them is because he fell down. I think his knees gave out on him or something. I don't know, that wasn't Sanity right there. But that play worked well for us down the stretch and they had no way to guard it. They put LeBron [James] on me, they switched [Anthony] Parker onto me, and I don't think Vince has a matchup advantage in the post against LeBron so I thought I had a better matchup. Playing smart down the stretch helps us out.
How comfortable are you with the new play?
Well, when you have a situation where you have a good shooter in myself and a great offensive player in Vince Carter, you kinda put a team in what you would call a bind. They have to either show and leave him open or just not show and let me go. And the thing is, coach [Stan Van Gundy] did a great job of continuing to run that play after it worked once or twice. We kept going to it, trying to see what they were going to do and I would say it worked for us. We were fortunate enough for it to work for us.
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“Well we ran a one-two pick-and-roll and ran it six or seven times in a row, and they never stopped it. Only reason why they stopped one of them is because he fell down. I think his knees gave out on him or something. I don’t know, that wasn’t Sanity right there”.
Jameer & J.J. always have awesome quotes.
Penny Hardaway article spotting http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4647
In terms of best Magic player, what ranking order do you assign to Dwight, T-Mac, Penny & Shaq?
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Depends how you rank them
Impact on the team – T-Mac, Dwight, Shaq, Penny
Hypothetical talent – Shaq/Dwight, Penny, [gap], T-Mac
All other things being equal, we’ve had two slam dunk Hall of Famers and a guy who, but-for injury, would be there too, spend large chunks of their careers in Orlando. That’s not too shabby for an expansion team in a small market, in 20 or so years. And now VC, who’s probably on his way too.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 23, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, T-Mac is the second most talented player I've seen, behind LeBron.
There wasn’t a thing that guy couldn’t do when he was on. He was even in the top 10 in the league in blocks his last year with Toronto. One year, he led the Magic in 6 different statistical categories. Focus, injuries, and crappy teammates brought the guy down though. LeBron doesn’t have the focus problem, never seems to get injured, and has carried his crappy teammates better than T-Mac.
I hate Varejao.
Maybe I remember Penny more
Because I watched a lot of him, whereas T-Mac rarely got covered where I live. But to me, an uninjured Penny is a lock HoF, all time great PG – someone you could put in the conversation with Magic. I can’t say that about T-Mac – he’s a level behind for me. A HoFer yes, but not a legend.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
It's arguable. I don't think Penny could take over a game like T-Mac could.
I love Penny, still one of my 5 favorite players ever to watch. But watching some of T-Mac’s performances were just surreal. The guy made everything look so fluid and effortless. LeBron makes things look easy, but more in a “I’m stronger and faster than you are, get out of my way” way. T-Mac made things look easy in a “I just woke up from a 2 hour nap and I’m going to drop a 40/6/7 on you” way.
I hate Varejao.
Best player? As a member of the Magic or overall? There's a distinct difference.
If it’s overall, then it’s Shaq, T-Mac and Dwight (they’re interchangeable), then Penny. Numbers-wise, that’s how the players would probably be ranked. Howard and McGrady are tough to judge in the sense that they have overwhelming strengths at one end of the court. Even though Dwight’s defensive impact is undisputed, McGrady (for one season at least) had a compelling argument to be called the best player in the NBA.
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yeah that one season was unbelievable…but in terms of talent combined with success, which in my opinion is the way to evaluate it…you’d have to rank them 1) Shaq 2) Dwight 3) Penny 4) TMac. at this point though, dwight is very close of surpassing shaq if he hasnt already. i mean the only thing that stopped shaq from repeating as conference champion was michael jordan…so dwight will have a lot to prove these playoffs.
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Dwight isn't anywhere close to surpassing Shaq.
He has to be considered the best player in the NBA (probably won’t happen, more so because LeBron James exists), he needs to win titles, and he needs to win MVP’s. Howard has work to do.
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i’m not talking career. i’m talking shaq on the magic. he’s getting real close to surpassing shaq’s statistics and success as a member of the magic. i thought that’s what the whole discussion was about.
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That's why I asked if it was as a member of the Magic or overall.
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I love it...
“Only reason why they stopped one of them is because he fell down. I think his knees gave out on him or something. I don’t know, that wasn’t Sanity right there. "
Quote of the week. I think this play was designed to light a fire under Carter’s ass. He wasn’t helping much up until that point. At all. You have to give credit to Stan for going to it. I don’t know if it was brilliant coaching or just insane luck, but he made the adjustment and his players responded. Bigtime. I’m sure Lawrence Frank’s visit helped Stan insert some classic “Vince” plays. I’m just happy he decided to go to it in, up until this point, the biggest game of the year for us. This is a play that Stan needs to run for Vince throughout the game. Vince is a big 2, and there are not a lot of big 2’s in the game today. Vince is listed at 6’6", and on a lot of teams that would be the 3 spot. There are a multitude of smaller 2’s in which can take extreme advantage of in the post because he is such a gifted offensive player. Those “degree of difficulty level” shots he normally takes can be negated by the distance he would be from the rim and the height of the player he would be shooting over. And, it would give the team another post threat from a different angle. Vince is such an adept passer that any kind of double-team would result in an open three or an ally to D12 because WILL find them. This will be a great play for us down the stretch.
Warlando – in response to the ranking order:
1. Dwight – No one on this list has led his team to a single Finals victory.
2. Shaq – No one on this list had an impact on the league, nevermind the team, like he did.
3. T-Mac – He revitalized the town with his beautiful game and gave us glimpses of what could have been with Hill.
4. Penny – Like T-mac, never got out of the first round on his own, injury prone, and best as second fiddle. He should have been HOF material. I am most bitter about Penny’s Magic history than I am about any other player.
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It wasn't luck. That'd be doing a disservice to Van Gundy's coaching acumen.
As for constantly running the 1/2 pick & roll in games, see, I don’t know about that. I honestly think the Magic should save the play unless they absolutely need it. The last thing Orlando needs is for teams to figure out how to stop the PNR with Carter and Nelson. Personally, I’d keep that play in my back pocket for now.
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IMO
That play could net us the 1 seed in the East, but I would prefer to not run it often.
The last thing Orlando needs is for teams to figure out how to stop the PNR with Carter and Nelson
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I can agree that it wasn’t luck. I was, more or less, attempting to evoke a response regarding Van Gundy’s decision to insert the play. I can also see where you’re coming from with saving the play and keeping it in the back pocket until they absolutely need it. All sound reasons. My intentions in suggesting they use the 1/2 P&R more often is not meant to say they need to use it often. Just throughout the game. See, my observations lead me to believe that Vince was provoked by that play to get in gear. I would be remiss to say that I want that play run all the time. However, as Vince has struggled to get into the flow of the offense early on a consistant basis this season, I believe that running that play once or twice in the first half would diversify the offense a bit more and light the fire under Vince. Now, I don’t agree with not using it. Not at all. The good teams will adjust to it. Of course they will, they’ll have to. Every team will scout the Magic before the game and video will be shown to the players about how to defend Stan’s pet plays. When other teams scout the Magic, I’m sure that they’ll bring that play up and devise a plan to guard against it. The 1/2 P&R has received so much press as the key to the Magic victory over Cleveland, other teams would be foolhardy not to insert an adjustment at some point. But, look at the plays Stan runs so often: 2/5 P&R, 1/4 P&R, even the 1/5 P&R. Why use those plays if Stan is afraid teams will figure them out? It’s been three years and they’re still running the same plays. Cleveland had no answer to it last year, and they still have no answer for it this year. Sure, they’ll adjust like good teams are supposed to do, but what’s the point in having such an efficient play and not being able to use it? I’m not saying use it up until it’s dry. Far, far from it. I would like to see them use it very sparingly, but use it nonetheless because it will catch teams off guard. Especially early to get Vince going which, in my opinion, is the catalyst for this team repeating a trip to the FInals.
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by Derrty on Feb 23, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good response.
I’d use it if needed (you laid out a few of those scenarios).
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Let’s perfect it..
Far, far from it. I would like to see them use it very sparingly, but use it nonetheless because it will catch teams off guard. Especially early to get Vince going which, in my opinion, is the catalyst for this team repeating a trip to the FInals.
VC is the catalyst.
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Yeah, I love how some of the players give Vince and AJ a hard time about being old.
As far as best Magic player, that’s tough. T-Mac or Penny were probably the most talented all-around players, but obviously injuries and other factors derailed things. Shaq was certainly the most ridiculous force this team (and possibly the league) has ever seen. Dwight has longevity on all of them and is now putting the productivity into it as well. They all have an argument for best Magic player except for Penny probably, even though Penny had the talent to be one of the best ever.
I hate Varejao.
Check the news post.
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Everyone, feel free to discuss the best Magic player ever in the news post.
I like the discussion but I want to keep things relevant to their respective topics.
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I was meaning as a member of the Magic.
You guys all gave good answers, thank you.
Regarding the 1/2 pick & roll vs the Cavs. If we’re using it to great success again and the Cavs put LeBron on Jameer to stop it, could we take advantage of Mo having to guard Matt Barnes? Can Barnes manhandle Mo in the post continuously to force the Cavs to switch LeBron back on Barnes? A few people mentioned the 2/4 pick & roll being a good weapon we can use to get looks at 3’s. Could it also work well in the post with Parker having to guard Rashard? As someone mentioned it maybe an excellent idea to get VC involved in the post early on in games. The 1/2 could work well against the Lakers too. Given the Lakers size, Dwight is really the only one who can post up and produce consistently so if we could work that 1/2 on Fisher it could cause problems for the Lakers.
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If LeBron is on Jameer, I'd suggest putting Pietrus out there cause he's a better shooter than Barnes.
A 2/4 pick & roll would work in theory, yes. I think the key for the Magic is to run a ton of variations of them.
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... for short stretches.
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