Orlando Magic 101, Cleveland Cavaliers 95
In a tight game before a playoff-intensity crowd at Amway Arena, the Orlando Magic rallied from a 5-point deficit with 6:56 to play to defeat the new-look Cleveland Cavaliers, 101-95, dealing Cleveland its third straight defeat. Dwight Howard came up big, as usual, for Orlando, with 22 points, 16 boards, and 4 blocked shots. However, he took on a supporting role offensively during Orlando's big run to end the game, as starting guards Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter stole the show by scoring all 16 of Orlando's points during the decisive 16-3 stretch. Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said it was "a hell of a game" because "the best players all played really well." Indeed, Cleveland's high-profile trio of LeBron James (33 points, 9 boads, 6 assists), Shaquille O'Neal (20 points on 9-of-10 shooting) and Antawn Jamison (19 points, 8 boards) put on a show, but it simply wasn't enough to vault Cleveland over the top. Orlando made the late run by consistently using a new play, a side pick-and-roll with Carter and Nelson which Van Gundy said he only installed yesterday. In his typical style, Van Gundy called the play "simple" and said there are "third-grade teams that can come up with that stuff." Regardless of its simplicity, the play proved effective, as the Cavaliers could not stop it. Orlando stopped its 2-game losing skid against Cleveland and will try to knot the series at two on April 11th.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cavaliers | 94 | 101.0 | 48.2% | 19.5 | 24.3 | 14.9 |
| Magic | 86 | 117.1 | 56.2% | 26.0 | 15.0 | 12.7 |
| Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average; red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average. | ||||||
Ignoring for a moment how the game played out, Van Gundy is right: it was incredibly fun to watch, and I imagine fans with no rooting interest in either side enjoyed it tremendously. For example, the teams traded baskets for a stretch spanning nearly 5 minutes late in the third quarter, with neither side able to string together consecutive scores until James and J.J. Hickson went back-to-back for 4 points to give the Cavs a 75-72 lead. Rashard Lewis said the crowd got so loud at times that he had trouble hearing Van Gundy's instructions or the referees' whistles. One factor I look at to gauge fan engagement is to see how many cheers or ovations the crowd starts spontaneously, without any prompting from the P.A. or JumboTron. Well, in crunch time, everyone stood to watch without any outside encouragement, which forced those of us sitting on the concourse-level media seats to stand as well. I just wanted to note the atmosphere before getting into, you know, the actual proceedings.
Early on, Orlando was simply the better team. It moved the ball, established Howard inside against O'Neal, and got clean looks. As a result, Orlando hung 20 points in the paint against Cleveland in the first period alone. The Cavs adjusted, yielding just 22 more paint points the rest of the game, but they obviously could do nothing to take away the points they gave up in the first quarter. Damage done, and all that.
This sort of result, with James, O'Neal, and the newcomer Jamison each playing well and carrying the Cavs for long stretches, highlights what makes them a dangerous team. James is dynamite in the open floor and can get to the rim almost at will--which calls into question his heaving of jumper after jumper, incidentally--so he's a threat. Shaq is still very hard to handle in the post. Howard and Marcin Gortat (in his 4-minute, 31-second cameo) gave him all he could handle, but he made some difficult shots. Howard's only mistake on him was trying to strip the ball and missing, which gave Shaq an opening for an easy two and a 56-53 Cavs lead shortly after halftime. And an invisible Jamison came to life in the third, scoring 10 of his 19 points and willing Cleveland, which trailed by 6 at intermission, back into the game. Matt Barnes attributed the Cavs' 10-0 run at the beginning of the third quarter to Jamison getting "hot" and the Magic's "not answering back." The Magic missed 4 shots and committed a turnover before finally getting on the board, but even that was only due to a defensive three-second technical. But Barnes said Cleveland's burst was to be expected because "any time you've got a good team, you know they're going to make a run" and "you just have to stay poised." The Cavs scored 1.33 points per possession in the third after managing a mere 0.91 in the first half, which made their burst so surprising.
Then again, the Cavs trailed by just 6 at halftime despite James and O'Neal scoring 34 of their 43 points, so any boost they got from another player should have been enough for them to take control from Orlando.
And it was, for a time. But Carter and Nelson came on strong late, as noted, with Carter's output the most shocking because he scored just 3 points on 1-of-6 shooting prior to the fourth. Van Gundy wasn't worried about that, though. "More than the overall numbers," he said, "what we really need him to do is finish in the fourth.
Which is what Carter did. He seemed very comfortable running the new 1/2 pick-and-roll, and with good reason; I overheard him saying, "that's my pet play from [New] Jersey," with a laugh, in the locker room. The Magic took James, an excellent team and individual defender, out of the picture by isolating Carter and Nelson on the left, which put pressure on Delonte West, Mo Williams, and later Anthony Parker after Carter snuck free of West for a highlight-reel dunk. On his way out of the locker room, Carter and Nelson had this exchange:
"Thank you for that pass."
"You're welcome."
"I'll take you to dinner tonight if you call me."
"Alright. Thanks, Vince."
West and Parker are sound, skilled defenders, but Carter exploited his height and strength advantage on West time and again in the low post. Van Gundy said he wished he went to this new play sooner in the game, and perhaps there's something to that. Prior to Carter checking in at the 6:55 mark, Orlando had made just 1 field goal and scoreed 6 points in the period, and Cleveland had extended its 1-point edge to 5. On the other hand, there's strategic value in saving that new play for a critical juncture in the game.
What Carter seemed most proud of was his drive-and-dish to Lewis in the left corner for the clinching three-pointer. Finding teammates in their favorite spots "is just like scoring to me," he said. Prior to today's game, Lewis had connected on 27 of his 63 attempts from the left corner, or 42.9%. In last year's playoffs, he made 15 of 25 from that spot, or 60%. The clincher resembled a big shot he made against Cleveland in the Conference Finals here at Amway Arena. Asked if he had deja vu on that shot, Lewis said, "a little bit, but not necessarily."
I've made a pretty big to-do so far about the Magic's fourth-quarter offense, potentially at the expense of their defense. The Cavaliers supposedly traded for O'Neal to fortify the low post on both sides of the ball, which they've accomplished this season. And certainly many fans and media types alike have argued that Cleveland sought O'Neal as a direct response to Howard, who crushed it in last year's playoffs. I'm not sure about the latter point--the Cavs had a chance to obtain a future Hall-of-Famer for two guys at the end of their bench, so of course they made that trade. In any case, while O'Neal gives Howard problems one-on-one, I'm left to wonder if his camping out in the post away from the ball actually helps the Magic, specifically their defense. Howard managed to successfully remove Shaq from the play, challenge the driving Cavalier's shot, and secure the board numerous times throughout the game, and in the fourth quarter. He tallied 3 defensive rebounds and 2 blocks in the final frame. His success in that regard got me wondering about the impact the Jamison trade has made on the Magic's defense of the low-post. They did have to deal lifelong Cavalier Zydrunas Ilgauskas to obtain Jamison, and Ilgauskas doesn't typically park his 7'03" frame in the post. He lounges about the mid-range area, and his solid shooting stroke means Howard has to honor that, however reluctantly.
I asked Howard about how the Cavs differ without Z in the lineup. "When Shaq is out of the game [...] they can't run the pick and roll with Ilgauskas, and he can spread the floor, and they didn't have that," he said. "It's a different style, and something we both have to get adjusted to. "
Perhaps not for long. The Wizards are progressing toward a buyout agreement with Ilgauskas, as Adrian Wojnarowski reports, and it's widely assumed that he will re-sign with Cleveland after the requisite waiting period. Wojnarowski cites a report in the Los Angeles Times that says the NBA will prevent Ilgauskas from returning, however, because there's evidence that the Cavaliers made the trade on the condition that the Wizards would buy Ilgauskas out. Ilgauskas' agent denied that the NBA has intervened in this way, and that it's a foregone conclusion that Ilgauskas will once again don wine and gold (or orange and blue, as was the case today, with the Cavs wearing goofy throwback uniforms) once Washington grants him his release. Stay tuned.
Going forward, adjustments are indeed the name of the game. Cavaliers coach Mike Brown and his staff will be better prepared for the 1/2 pick-and-roll next time. In reference to Jamsion, Van Gundy said "we prepared for his pick-and-rolls [...] but did not prepare for his post-ups," which will change. But for right now, Orlando has a win against Cleveland under its belt. As Barnes said, the Magic "got the job done" today, which is what counts most in the short term.
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Excellent writeup Ben
I was at the game, and the atmosphere was electric. 4th quarter was just as loud as any post season game last year. Crowd was really into it. All the players were playing reasonably well.
Orlando’s defense was stellar for most of the evening. Both Shaq and Jamison hit some tough low-post shots. I would think it is unlikely that either of those players will keep up that level of production for an entire playoff series. Also wouldn’t count on their backcourt playing so poorly again (then you never know with Mo Williams).
An all-around balanced attack from the Magic today, which is what we have been doing to them for the last three seasons. Great game today.
I was at the game as well, and while it was VERY loud come the fourth quarter, I still say it was louder during the ECF last year.
It was good to see the crowd get into it though. I was at the Boston game a couple of weeks ago, and it wasn’t nearly as loud. Maybe it was because there were less fans of the opponent today as there was in the Celtics game. There was a good amount of Cavs jerseys in the crowd, but they were also not nearly as vocal as the aforementioned Celtics fans.
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
Celtics fans are generally more obnoxious.
I hate Varejao.
I go to watch the game on a 52" TV
which is as close to live as I will ever get. One of the best non-playoff games I have ever watched. Solid play by both teams, Superman vs superman was most enjoyable, especially since the refs let them play.
May want to correct the spelling on “offesnively”, looks too much like my spelling after 3 scotches.
by NC Magic Fan on Feb 21, 2010 9:03 PM EST reply actions
It was surprising to read some tweets from non-Magic and non-Cavs fans saying it was the best game they'd seen this season.
Had a great time and lost my voice as a result, mainly from the 4th quarter.
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
That's not necessarily true, especially if the team doesn't give you too much to cheer about.
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
Great game, indeed.
An instant classic for a regular season game.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
The one thing that worries me about today's game is that we had to struggle to win the game, despite the fact that there was no contribuition from Mo Williams and the rest of the team other than the big 3.
LeBron, Shaq, and Antawn combined for 72 of the team’s 95 points, and no other Cav besides those three scored more than 6 points. We can’t expect that to be the case the next time we play them or in the playoffs. Either way, that doesn’t keep me from enjoying today’s victory!
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
Why not?
That’s what happened all last year in the playoffs. Shaq couldn’t play any better, Jamison played well, and Vince did not have the best game either. On an even playing field, I think the Magic can win.
Just to be clear, I am probably being sarcastic.
That's kind of the way the Cavs are.
Who exactly do you expect to score for them?
LeBron had (terrifyingly enough) an average game for him.
Shaq was way above his season average (11.8 PPG), but of course he played more minutes than usual.
Williams was way below his (16.6).
And Jamison doesn’t really HAVE an average yet… but 19 seems like an optimistic estimate, and 64% shooting seems unsustainable over the long run.
And those are basically their only 4 scorers. Varejao is their next-highest scorer on the season… he’s averaging 8.3 PPG. Then they have a few guys who average 7 PPG or so. They’ve got one more offensive threat now, but they’re still not a team with a lot of offensive threats.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
I don't see what there is to worry about.
Mo Williams, for all intents and purposes, is the third or fourth option for the Cavaliers behind James, Jamison, and O’Neal. Antawn and Shaq played well, LeBron did his thing, and the Magic were able to win.
But even if you have concerns about Mo, just remember Vince didn’t show up until the fourth quarter.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Cavs, Celts & Hawks all lost
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"I'm not impressed by your performance" - GSP
Yeah...I just turned to the Hawks game and saw that they had an 18 point lead with 13 minutes left in the game and the Warriors came back and won.
…One of those games that has fans cursing and calling for massive coaching and lineup changes for the losing team…LOL.
by MightyMouth on Feb 21, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
It was an awesome comeback
Curry lite and C.J. Watson put on a show while Monta was on the bench.
And then Portland blew an epic 25 point 3rd quarter lead. No one on Portland could hit anything but Camby was huge defensively.
Life is a series of serious choices, theories are formed from experience, never mysterious forces. - stic.man
"I'm not impressed by your performance" - GSP
Roy's not 100% yet.
But yeah, it was bad.
I hate Varejao.
Portland is... a little overrated, I think.
They’re still getting a lot of credit from people for Oden, I think. And don’t get me wrong, if Oden ever manages to stay healthy for a couple years at a time, he’s got some potential.
But other than him, who do they really have? Roy, of course. Roy’s great.
Aldridge — a decent no. 2/no. 3 guy on offense, but a pretty average rebounder.
Andre Miller — solid, unspectacular, 33 years old.
Marcus Camby — older than that.
And then you have the rest of the team. Martell Webster’s a one-dimensional scorer, except he doesn’t score. Bayless can put up the points (at 41% from the field), but nothing suggests he can run an offense. Batum’s a very nice supporting player when he’s healthy, but nobody’s idea of a future star. (Very Pietrus-esque.) Rudy Fernandez doesn’t do anything particularly well, and he’ll be 25 by the end of the season.
Ultimately, you’re looking at a core of Roy, Aldridge and (if he’s healthy) Oden. That’s not a title contender.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
Rudy was a very good shooter last year, and he can finish at the rim.
Besides that, yeah, I agree with you on the rest. Losing Oden AND Pryzbilla really hurt them though. They were looking solid, although a tier below Denver and Dallas.
I hate Varejao.
Oden, if healthy, makes the Blazers a title contender (with the rest of the roster).
The problem is, of course, he’s been hurt.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Yeah, it's hard to tell what Oden can do for them.
I mean, the Oden we’ve seen averages 11/8/2 in 24 minutes… extrapolated to 30+ MPG, that’s a tough player to overlook. (Even before you consider the possibility that he could do more if he was at 100%.)
I do hope we see Oden at 100% some day.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
I do, too.
I really do think he makes the Blazers a title contender. He has that impact.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
How does the complexion of this series Change
If Z is not allowed to return?
"Regular season domination means a lot, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's guaranteed to continue in April, May or June."
The luxury tax savings on Acne-Gone alone must be tremendous
No wonder the Cavs made that deal for the clearer complexion Jamison.
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by funny80sguy on Feb 22, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Humor Fail
But Effort WIN!
"Regular season domination means a lot, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's guaranteed to continue in April, May or June."
Doesn't change much.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
+++
Great write-up. A lot of good takeaway’s from the game
FEED THE BEAST!!!
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by Wmillion on Feb 21, 2010 11:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No mention of why Ryan Anderson was MIA
Is is cause he’s been struggling or did SVG want to see what Bass could do against them?
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Feb 21, 2010 11:39 PM EST reply actions
Probably performance related
RA is shooting just 24.1% on his last 29 shot attempts (7 games). 16 of those 29 shots were 3’s and he’s hit just 18.8% of them. His shot selection lately has been somewhat suspect. He’s missing the good looks he normally drains and he’s missing some wild shots he shouldn’t be taking. Passing up opportunities to “feed the beast” in order to jack up deep, high degreee of difficulty, contested 3’s. The rest of the team is just as guilty of it but it’s not as noticable when they’re knocking down shots.
Life is a series of serious choices, theories are formed from experience, never mysterious forces. - stic.man
"I'm not impressed by your performance" - GSP
Yeah, that and he probably wanted to give Bass a chance against the Cleveland front line.
Especially after the last game’s frontline performance.
I hate Varejao.
He matched aginst Hickson much of the time too so I bet Stan thought he was a more natural defender to use. We should be playing Bass more. I was alil upset he was used in a big game after such a long layoff.
by derekk on Feb 22, 2010 4:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
B.Bass did a great job last night, thats why we got him
to play against the bigger front lines of other teams, but i did notice how poorly we were on the boards whe he was in the game.
I wouldn't say he was great.
He still got lost on defense a couple times, especially when he was matched with Jamison. His mid-range jumper wasn’t as on as it usually is either. But he had a decent game.
I hate Varejao.
I remember distinctly when Bass got so lost on defense at one point that he and Dwight actually collided during a broken switch/help
I just shook my head at that point. Dwight was probably pretty annoyed. They’re lucky no one scored on that possession.
When the big fella was whistled for his fourth personal foul midway through the third quarter, Stan Van Gundy left Clark Kent alone. And in a phone booth measuring 94 feet across, Dwight Howard used that vote of confidence to transform into his alter ego. - Chris Sheridan
by thermodynamic on Feb 23, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Bass didn't do a great job.
His defense was suspect, at times, especially when Jamison was in the game.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
J.J. Hickson is a more natural matchup for Brandon Bass than Ryan Anderson.
It reminds me when Van Gundy used Bass to defend Warrick earlier in the season.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Without Z
They don’t have a legit backup who can defend Dwight when Varejao’s not getting the flop calls. In the ECF last season Z posted a +/- for the series of around +20. It was Ben Wallace and his -67 that truly hurt them. Powe & Z are gone for now and Varejao isn’t strong enough to guard Dwight. If Z doesn’t return and Dwight’s fouls aren’t an issue I’m thinking advantage Orlando in a 7 game series. Dwight & LeBron are automatic and their performances somewhat cancel eachother out. Going down the list is Rashard, VC & Jameer against Jamison, Shaq & Mo. I think we have a slight – decent advantage here. Barnes is more productive at the 3 than Parker is at the 2. I like Varejao as the best overall player on either bench but as a whole we have a superior bench on paper as well as a more versatile one. But If Dwight has one of his “automatic games” but LeBron has a monster game it all changes.
Life is a series of serious choices, theories are formed from experience, never mysterious forces. - stic.man
"I'm not impressed by your performance" - GSP
Z defended Howard
man I remember Howard going by Z like he wasn’t there. I think Z’s benefit comes more on the offensive end where he can spread the floor and pull Dwight from the paint a bit.
Still, that's another big man the Cavaliers have at their disposal.
Doesn’t matter if Z can’t guard Howard or not.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Well, extra big men help
Just mean that defensively it won’t help much, as Z can’t guard Dwight any better than Varejao. My meaning being that I don’t think Z will determine a series between the Magic and the Cavs, I think that will be decided by Nelson and Carter on our side and Cleveland’s guards on their side.
Varejao can draw fouls on Howard better than Ilgauskas.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
*reading comments on Fear the Sword*
…good GOD. I think their fans are getting worse than Lakers fans—and that’s saying a lot, especially since the Lakers actually have something to boast ABOUT.
Pleased about the game, although I’m consistently baffled by how we can win these ones and not against, oh, say the Wiz or the Mavs. This team confuzzles me.
I'm a girl.
The Maverics are a good, talented team, that can defeat the Magic on a good (or bad) night.
A depleted Wizards team, it’s harder to find excuses for that.
About Ilgauskas I’ll be shocked if the NBA wont allow him to return to the Cavs… after all the NBA always looks like they do their best to help “the King” to get his championship.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
by North of the South on Feb 22, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
If there's no concrete evidence of a pre-arranged deal
It’s pretty hard for the NBA to justify preventing him returning.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 22, 2010 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, comparing the Mavs to the Wizards is like comparing Dwight to Joel Pryzbilla.
Still, the losses to the Wizards and teams of their ilk are definitely frustrating.
I hate Varejao.
sheesh everyone jumping on my about the Mavs
I just meant…I dunno, leading the whole game, having it under control, and then completely losing it vs. this game where we actually kept it together.
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Feb 22, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
Don't dwell on the negative
Dwell on the positive!
"Everyone is passionate about the Magic and that's great, but the key is keeping things in perspective and staying realistic." - erivera7
by Mike from Illinois on Feb 22, 2010 3:40 AM EST up reply actions
To answer your question, the Mavs' loss was an aberration.
The Magic didn’t do anything wrong, the team just couldn’t hit shots. As for the Washington loss, that was a partly lack of focus on the part of Orlando. Another reason was Caron Butler and Randy Foye couldn’t miss a shot in the second half of the game. They went nova.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I think lack of focus is definitely the key there
sad times
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Feb 22, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think that'll become less of a problem as the playoffs near.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Cleveland fans are usually arrogant pricks.
At least that’s what i find to be the case most of the time (one of my best friends is one).
Having the best player in the game seems to give them a sense of entitlement. They’re entitled to a championship, and they’re entitled to having the best team because they have the best player.
Quite annoying to say the least. They drink a lot of their own kool-aid.
Why read them? I don't see the point.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
idk I was in the mood to laugh
I wasn’t mad at them, lol, nonono I thought it was hilarious
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Feb 22, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Some telling fourth quarter stats
Cleveland shot 8 of 23 for the quarter, and made just 4 of their final 13 shot attempts.
LeBron James did not make a field goal in the final quarter until 16 seconds were left, and shot 1 of 5 for 3 fourth quarter points with 2 turnovers.
The Magic made all 7 of their shots in the final 5:30 of the game.
"Everyone is passionate about the Magic and that's great, but the key is keeping things in perspective and staying realistic." - erivera7
by Mike from Illinois on Feb 22, 2010 3:39 AM EST reply actions
Making shots matter Mike.
It afflicted Orlando on Friday night against the Mavs, and it afflicted the Cavs yesterday.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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Exactly
I bet you don’t see another game this season where the Magic as a team shoot so poorly on three pointers and four of the reserves combine to shoot 1 of 16 overall.
"Everyone is passionate about the Magic and that's great, but the key is keeping things in perspective and staying realistic." - erivera7
by Mike from Illinois on Feb 22, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I hope not Mike. That isn't good news for Orlando.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Can I take it after yesterday's victory the VC bandwagon has more members on it?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Also glad to hear the O-Rena was rocking yesterday.
Nothing worse than a great game and a lukewarm crowd. One of the things I generally hate about watching Hawks & Heat games. The crowds do not roar.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I just hate it when I hear fans cheering for the other team in Orlando
I was hoping with the higher season ticket sales this year, it would weed out the Boston, L.A., & Cleveland fans. Not enough, I guess.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
by funny80sguy on Feb 22, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but I talk so much trash when they decide to invade our home gym.
I remember sitting next to an entire row of Cavs fans last year when we blew them out by 29. It was great. On the flip side, the Celtics game I went to last year was the worst sports experience of my life with the Boston fans behind me.
I hate Varejao.
Not so much, no.
I mean, I’m definitely a lot happier about Vince than I was before this month — but this game isn’t a major factor in that change. Vince didn’t have a bad game by any means, but he had a quiet game… We won this with Dwight and Jameer, plus strong performances from Pietrus and JJ on the bench.
Which is cool. Carter (and Lewis for that matter) were solid. No one player is going to be the big guy every game. (Except maybe Dwight… not even offense, necessarily, though it helps. But Dwight is always the anchor inside.)
I mean, on the other hand, it’s nice that Vince said, “all right, SG is a relatively strong defensive position for Cleveland, I’ll fade out a bit and let Jameer do some damage against Mo Williams.” Would he have done that in January? I don’t know. And I’m looking forward to seeing this side pick-and-roll… clearly, I’m a fan of Jameer, and I’m a fan of the Magic using pick-and-rolls, so any play that incorporates both of them meets with my approval.
But yeah. February Vince is definitely my favorite Vince so far.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
I understand why people are critical.
I just think the integration isn’t as simple as people expect it to be. And, it’s better if the struggles happened early as opposed to later.
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Yeah, I'm definitely optimistic.
I’m just saying that yesterday’s performance doesn’t have much to do with that fact.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
Good. This Magic team gives you plenty to be optimistic over.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I was always in the "bandwagon" so to speak.
But I was pretty annoyed when Vince was complaining about the ball not coming off of him into the out-of-bounds, or complaining that he didn’t foul Lebron on the fast break, when he clearly was wrong on both counts.
When the big fella was whistled for his fourth personal foul midway through the third quarter, Stan Van Gundy left Clark Kent alone. And in a phone booth measuring 94 feet across, Dwight Howard used that vote of confidence to transform into his alter ego. - Chris Sheridan
by thermodynamic on Feb 23, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I got to watch game on TV, as much as I can ask for :)
And what a game. Writeup in the same manner, gratz, Ben.
My only concern would be def rebounding.
Am i the only one who felt like our def rebounding is not there?
We can do a better job for sure
but many of those offensive boards were on missed long jumpers and we will face that all series against them, even moreso if they get Z back. It’s going to be another war if we meet up again in the ECF and the series could go either way. It will come down to execution and I still think we have more offensive weapons than they do. A good sign through the 3 games so far have been us averaging only 11 turnovers per game so we’ve continued to take care of the ball against them (only 12.6 TO’s per game in the ECF).
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I don't think rebounding has been too much of an issue this year.
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We're the best defensive rebounding team in the NBA.
77.5% for the season. (Cleveland and Milwaukee are tied for second at 76.9%.)
Yesterday’s game was pretty much exactly in line with those numbers — we pulled down 28 defensive boards to 9 offensive rebounds for Cleveland. 75.7% for us.
So no, it’s not a concern really.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
This is unfortunate
I am happing that the Magic won tonight even though i seriously have no rooting interest. The game was a pleasure to watch! What is unfortunate, however, is that this Cavs team is completely and utterly different than the one last year the Magic beat. And more important, this is a different Magic team. I’ve always thought Hedo was better than this version of Vince, but tonight proved it once and for all. Why you ask? Because tonight Vince did his job and played about as well as you can expect him to play, and still if you had Hedo in there instead of Vince, is there any doubt that the team would be better?
Hedo is just a better playmaker, and a craft one at that. He poses dreaded matchup problems which Vince does not. And most of all, he flows within the offense. But there is no reason to cry over what is lost…for magic fans that is.
The point of my post is that the advantage the Magic once had has disappeared. Last year the Cavs could not touch you on homecourt. This year it was obvious that at best you guys are even, again, on your home court. The problem is, the Cavs will have home court advantage. And on there homecourt, it is rather clear that the Cavs have the advantage.
The Cavs are just a better team. I can’t believe the benefit that the shadow (my new name for Shaq, since he is a fat shadow of his former great self) provides even at his decrepit state. I truly think that Shaq is the difference, and this year the Cavs will win the East strictly due to Shaq’s new advantage.
The only teams that can beat the Cavs are the Lakers and the Nuggets in a 7 game series. Unfortunately, both are in the West.
I have absolutely and utterly no clue what you were watching.
But it wasn’t the Magic and the Cavaliers game.
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by erivera7 on Feb 22, 2010 6:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Vince played about as well as you (we) can expect him to play? What are you smoking??
He was off-the-boil for about 38 minutes. It wasn’t until his final 10 that he proved completely unstoppable. If you want a game where Vince played about as well as possible…. re-watch the Hornets game.
I firmly believe that VC (at 33 years of age) is still one of the most clutch players in the entire league. Seriously, top 5. When a game is there to be won, he’s involved on just about every play – whether he’s scoring or distributing the rock.
When he’s in full rhythm, he’s involved for the vast majority of those non-clutch moments as well…. but those are hardly why Otis brought him in now, are they?
Well
In your haste your English went south, but I think you came after a great win by the Magic to warn us that the Cavs are going to beat the Magic this year in the playoffs?
Thank you, I have re-sheduled those days to do something more proactive like taking a pottery class and I will not be recording the games on DVR. Again thank you for convincing me of my delusional blunder in thinking the Magic have a shot against the invincible Cavs, what was I thinking?!
Cleveland's top 3 players played about as well as you can expect.
Shaq scored 20 points (anyone think he can do that for a series?). Jamison shot 9-14, I don’t think he will shoot 65% for a series. Lebron had a so-so game of 33 points but he did almost shoot 50%, but he will shoot about that percentage anyways, we don’t have to stop Lebron, just the rest of the team.
Vince Carter only played well for about 6 minutes the entire game, and our point guards had 7 turnovers.
We still won the game.
Somebody done Lost their mind
Vince was asleep for 3 and a half quarters so im confused by your whole theory. plus this year’s version of Hedo isnt exactly making anyone regret the trade even though he would have been great for sentimental value. The Cavs resort to having Lebron controlling the ball for long periods of time while everyone else watches which makes our job easier on the defense.
Armstrong, Penny, Dwight, T-Mac, Rashard
Team stwep
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Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive...
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Heard that NBA is preventing Z from going back to Cleveland
Said it was pre-arranged. Stern turning its back to his favorite son (LBJ)? That would be great news for the Magic. Woot wiiw.
They won't prevent it because unless they have evidence there's a pre-arranged deal, they can't.
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They really need to close this loophole.
But they haven’t yet, and they can’t just do it on the fly.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
It'd have to be fixed in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
It's not going to be fixed. Cleveland didn't have to say anything to Washington or vice versa.
Washington will waive Z because of the finances involved. No point in keeping a player who won’t help you long term. Wash’s season is plenty bad enough, but they have prospects and what not they can play and figure out who can help them with the long run in mind.
Z is not that good. You just don’t like Cle 3.3 (and I understand that). I just don’t think this deal is a major swinging balance of power. What matters is Jamison not Z IMO.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Oh, I'm not saying it about Cleveland in general.
I actually don’t have anything against Cleveland, aside from the rivalry. (I wouldn’t call myself a fan, but they’re not the Lakers or anything.) And I’m not saying Cleveland shouldn’t exploit this loophole, or that this was some kind of sneaky deal, or that it doesn’t make sense for Washington to drop Ilgauskas, regardless of what Cleveland wants.
I’m just saying that they should introduce a rule to stop this kind of thing from happening, because regardless of whether any team HAS used it unethically in the past — and I haven’t seen a scenario where that was the unavoidable conclusion — it opens up a definite gray area.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
Again, if the NBA wants to introduce a rule, it needs to be done in the new CBA.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Team Stepped up and Mike Brown didnt...good ole' days!
Before this game, and even before the Jamison trade, I felt as though the Cavs had overcome the matchup problem. They had bigger gaurds and Shaq was a hassle for Dwight. I still feel like Cleveland has an advantage over us and when Jamison gets familar with their offense.
But the Magic simply did the right things that they had been asked to do all season long in this game. They didnt rely on the 3-pointer so much and everyone elected to take it inside (Jameer, Lewis,Dwight, Barnes). FINALLY! Add to the fact that Bass got minutes down the strech and Stan Van may have found the problem and resolved it.
I’ve been saying all season long, as much as relying on the perimeter is part of the team’s culture, given the size and skill-set of the Magic’s frontcourt players there is no need for the likes of Rashard and Ryan Anderson and Vince (g/f) to constantly rely on it. The result was that the team could rely on kickout 3’s instead.
Props too, considering the Cavs size in the frontcourt, I thought they would be intimidated.
And of course props to Dwight for seeing they would go for Hack-a-Howard and simply knocking down his shots (Finally he has a purpose to take it to Shaq, in the same way Shaq wanted to take it to Patrick Ewing, Hakeem and David Robinson in the day to prove, he is the new alpha-dog)
On the flip side, thank god for Mike Brown still being inept on offense and letting the Cavs go to the same Lebron 1 vs 5 set down the strech. Even if Z is gone, you would think he would take advantage of his big perimeter wings and give Moon minutes with Jamison, Bron, Parker, Shaq/Varejo lineup. But he didnt, and thank god for his ineptism on offense. Hopefully they dont get Z back and Stan can make the adjustments he needs.
As for Vince, I know people maligned him again for only showing up in the 4th….but he showed up. And as a Hedo replacement, thats when we wanted him. Overall his numbers are up and just like in November he is playing solid again.
The Magic may not have convinced too many people they are better than Cleveland, but they certain restored my faith in believe they have a chance again.
"Don't wait till im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive...
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
I don't think the Cavaliers have overcome the matchup problems that plagued them last year.
At least, not entirely. Cleveland is, without a doubt, better than Orlando but they’re still beatable. Rest assured, Stan Van Gundy will find ways to poke holes in the Cavaliers’ armor. That’s what he does.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I think ineptitude is the word you're looking for
…not ineptism :-)
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by Mike from Illinois on Feb 22, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just so glad Nelson steped big time in the end.
some times I imagine this team with VC & J-Will at their prime...
Great game overall.
Pros
Again, tough defense played in half-court sets on LeBron. This time, it extended to the whole team though.
Jameer and Vince stepping up big in the clutch, reminiscent of last year. That 1/2 P-n-R could be deadly going down the stretch against small backcourts, especially if Vince utilizes his post-up game more and Jameer’s shooting stroke is more consistent.
Refs allowing some contact down low, especially on some of LeBron’s freight train drives where he just barrells people over and looks for the call.
Dwight. Yelling at his team for jacking up shots before going inside, the moves on Shaq, the fronting on Shaq, the interior D. Just everything. Except that second jumper he shot, that is.
Cons
Silly turnovers by our backcourt. That leads to the next point.
Bad transition D. Once LeBron gets going, you just have to do anything you can to get the ball out of his hands. Or foul him hard. Like, as hard as Dwight gets hit.
Vince not showing up until halfway through the 4th.
I hate Varejao.
And one more note:
Cavaliers: 79 points on field goals
50 in the paint
9 from three-pointers
20 between
Magic: 82 points on field goals
42 in the paint
24 on three-pointers
16 between
Both teams were pretty good at getting their points from efficient locations — the Cavs were obviously a bit more active in the post/on drives, the Magic more on threes. (The Cavs’ struggles beyond the arc were a major factor in this game.) But clearly, these are two teams who know where to look for shots, and while the Magic found more of them, it wasn’t a game where one team was clearly shooting more efficiently than the other.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
It was beautiful to watch Orlando's back court completely demolish the Cavs in the fourth.
Jameer, Vince, Vince, Jameer, Vince, Jameer
It was great.
And anyone remember the nasty hesitation/cross over Jameer had on Mo in the 1st quarter? That was incredible.
When the big fella was whistled for his fourth personal foul midway through the third quarter, Stan Van Gundy left Clark Kent alone. And in a phone booth measuring 94 feet across, Dwight Howard used that vote of confidence to transform into his alter ego. - Chris Sheridan

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