Dallas Mavericks 95, Orlando Magic 85
by Evan Dunlap on Feb 20, 2010 2:00 AM EST
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PrintThe cold-shooting Orlando Magic could not string together enough quality offensive possessions down the stretch against the Dallas Mavericks, and allowed a 19-0 run bridging the third and fourth quarters, ultimately losing by a 95-85 final. Orlando shot 23-of-67 after the first period, simply missing the looks it usually makes. Meanwhile, the Magic rendered Dirk Nowitzki (23 points on 10-of-24 from the floor) and Caron Butler (16 on 7-of-18), the Mavericks' top two scorers, ineffective, but Jason Terry and Brendan Haywood provided just enough offense themselves to offset the stars' inefficiency. Dwight Howard led everyone with 29 points, 16 boards, and 5 blocked shots in a losing effort.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mavericks | 91 | 104.3 | 48.2% | 16.7 | 18.6 | 12.1 |
| Magic | 90 | 94.9 | 43.7% | 10.3 | 24.5 | 14.5 |
| Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average; red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average. | ||||||
The raw numbers look ugly, yet Magic coach Stan Van Gundy didn't seem too concerned with the game's result. In his post-game media session, he went out of his way to say this effort isn't one for which he'll rip his team, and even said the overall effort and focus tonight trumped that of their previous game, a blowout win over Detroit. However, he did say he will consider addressing the team to "rein in" its tendency to take quick shots in transition situations with only "one guy ahead of the ball." He did not name names, but I suspect Mickael Pietrus might be included in that conversation. After coming up with a steal, he took the ball up himself and launched a pull-up trey with 18 seconds on the shot clock.
In a lot of ways, tonight was just one of those games. Howard scored 29, Vince Carter and Jameer Nelson added 16 apiece, and Rashard Lewis poured in 12 on 10 shots. The secondary players, who have provided the Magic with a tremendous boost throughout the season, just failed to produce. Outside of the four All-Stars, the Magic shot 6-of-28 for 12 points.
So you've got an unusual, jarring lack of production from your role players, and a puzzling lack of free-throw attempts despite continued, consistent, aggressive drives to the hoop. Orlando managed a season-low 12 free-throw attempts while scoring 52 points in the paint, which Van Gundy noted, before offering, "I don't know what to tell you on that."
Take nothing away from Dallas, which executed its offense late in the game and earned this win. However, there's a good reason why Van Gundy and his players didn't seem too perturbed by the loss. Sure, Van Gundy said he was "frustrated," and by no means were the players overjoyed with the outcome. But Nelson said it best: "we played hard enough to win the game, but didn't shoot the ball well enough to win the game."
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To do so well with only 6 points off the bench is not bad at all. Conversely, Dallas’ bench had 27. Hopefully everything clicks against the cavs, if it does we stand a great chance. Especially if Jamison goes 0-12 again!
by Ezy on Feb 20, 2010 3:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
That quote from Nelson in the last sentence of the recap says it all
Also, the Magic lost to a pretty darn good team in the Mavericks.
"Everyone is passionate about the Magic and that's great, but the key is keeping things in perspective and staying realistic." - erivera7
by Mike from Illinois on Feb 20, 2010 3:52 AM EST reply actions
SVG POST-GAME ITV
journalist : “Haywood usually has some succes against Dwight and he had a pretty good night…”
SVG : “Yeah, Dwight had 29, 15 and 5 and the only reason he held him to 29 was that they started double teaming all the time or he would have got 40…”
some times I imagine this team with VC & J-Will at their prime...
Yeah, that was hilarious.
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/columns/story?columnist=macmahon_tim&id=4929508 I couldn’t believe how off a lot of this article was. Or at least, how unnecessary. The graphic in the middle left of the column says it all. This guy’s talking about how much of a difference Haywood made against Howard because Dwight ONLY scored 20 points and drew 3 fouls on 26 touches. Of course, he forgot to mention the fact they started double-teaming him too, which surely helped those numbers for Haywood.
I hate Varejao.
I wrote in my notebook "Vintage SVG on Haywood, lol"
Media access!
My favorite was when the person who asked the question redirected his focus to Haywood’s offense and SVG said, basically, he got a lot of layups from his teammates before summing up, “He used one post move tonight. So…”
You should make a post about that type of stuff.
I think people would be interested in reading it.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
We should've switched to a Vince Carter-oriented offense like in the Hornets game
I guess that would’ve been the key. Penetrate inside and score or pass to Dwight who should’ve finished quick (before any double team could’ve collapsed on him).
Oh, and stop playing Pietrus unless he decides to penetrate or fucking pass.
Exactly
Peaches is the most athletic player on this team behind Howard but now he thinks he’s Craig Hodges. He never tries to get to the paint and is in love with the three point line. I hope to never see the move where he fakes the person in the air and instead of going to the hole he jumps to the side and shoot a rim banger. I say sit him until he figures it out.
by telka on Feb 20, 2010 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can't sit him.
His defense is needed.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Then how about talking with him about his shot selection
You say it like he’s a two year old kid who doesn’t know English.
Damn, all of the sudden things start making sense.
Where was the bench?
Good gracious. Their stat line is awful. Starters all looked productive from the numbers, but I think the bench had a combined 6 points in a combined 60 minutes. That is 0 offensive production from the guys we have relied on to give us a spark. Pietrus 0-5 from 3.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Yeah the bench play was an anomally
But to the Mavericks’ credit, I thought they played EXCELLENT defense in the second half/fourth quarter.
I was at the game and it was clear that our bench played awful last night.
They not only didnt score any points but their defense was awful as well. The starters built a large lead twice only to have the bench lose it both times, I am not going to be so hard on them because we clearly have one of the deepest benches in the league and they just didnt perform tonight. JJ was horrible last night, our bench usually van either hold a lead or increase it. Also the Mavs did play wl————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
Ugh, nasty one in my eyes.
Well, I am happy for a fact that I’ll be able to watch tomorrow’s game.
The local TV is going to broadcast it.
Predictions?
I like to hold off on it, but sincerely, I believe CLE has an upper hand….
What do you guys think?
Cleveland has the upper hand but it's a winnable game for Orlando.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
i believe it will be a really good game
If our bench produces we will win
This is one of the keys rly.
On side note, Ajams shot 12-0 in last game.
Odds of him doing something like that tonight?
None.
Going to be hard hard game.
Let’s just not drop behind and make a huge gap like we used to do in last ‘offs series!
Hold our own, add some Peaches defense, and we’ll have a shot at it.
Just PLAY.
I'm curious to see how and if SVG
will change his way to defend the cavs
some times I imagine this team with VC & J-Will at their prime...
we won't be double teaming shaq, that is for sure
but you never know, jamison did go 0-12 last night so maybe we should leave him open
we saw what happened last time they left one open...
some times I imagine this team with VC & J-Will at their prime...
Well, he'll finally have one day to prepare after having to play the Cavaliers on back-to-backs.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Bass needs to play
Last night was a great example of why I believe bbass should play. He could be a go to player in the post with our second unit, on nights when the 3 is fallin we gotta pound the ball inside. I feel like ryan Anderson shoots every time he touches the ball….I understand he’s a good player but bass is a guaranteed offensive threat game in And game out
by magicfan07 on Feb 20, 2010 11:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If he was so great, he'd be playing.
Right now, Anderson is a better player. Van Gundy sees him practice. We see him when he gets in a game. Playing Bass likely would not have mattered last night. The entire bench besides Gortat didn’t show up, and no one could hit a 3 to save their life. Those are two things that will not happen in the same game again.
I hate Varejao.
I'm sorry -- it does not follow that because Van Gundy made a particular decision, that decision is the right one.
Nor does it follow that because Ryan Anderson generally played better than Bass this season, that playing Bass last night wouldn’t have helped. Anderson looked horrible last night; Bass could very well have played better.
I think Van Gundy is a great coach and Anderson has been a good pick-up. That said, great coaches make mistakes and good players struggle (see Ryan Anderson for the past two months).
One of Van Gundy’s mistakes last night was not making more creative use of our bench. It might not have mattered, and it’s just one game, but the criticism remains valid.
Now let’s bounce back tomorrow.
by gift of the magi on Feb 20, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
As a coach, you can do one of two things.
You go with your gut and let things flow, or you go with trends and play the odds. Van Gundy plays the odds. I would say it has worked out well for him in his coaching career. Bass has looked horrible pretty much ever since Lewis came back. There’s been a common rumor that he has failed to grasp plays this year. Judging by his defense, I would say that leads some credence to that rumor. Bass guarding Dirk would’ve been really fun to see.
I hate Varejao.
Also, I do not understand everyone's irrational attachment to Bass.
Dallas insiders seem to be coming out in droves saying there was a reason Dallas didn’t want to pay what Orlando was offering Bass. Usually, when a player isn’t playing, there’s a reason. Such as the guys above him on the depth chart playing better overall or fitting better with the system. Or the guy’s just being a prick in the eyes of the coach. Well, Bass has handled himself very well as far as the latter statement goes, so obviously Van Gundy has seen that Anderson and Gortat are better fits and better players right now than Bass.
I hate Varejao.
It's possible that Van Gundy needs to revise his view.
I don’t know that everyone has an “irrational” attachment to Bass — by any sort of rational metric, Bass is a solid player. It’s just that Anderson had been a better player within our system for much of the season.
But Anderson is, by any metric, struggling now. And while you may point to the fact that Van Gundy has stuck with Anderson thus far as evidence that Anderson remains a better player, it’s not clear that Van Gundy is making the right decision now or out of the realm of possibility that he’ll make a new decision in the near future.
I don’t claim Bass as a savior; he has limitations on both ends of the floor. But I also don’t think uncited references to Dallas insiders are dispositive of the issue; there’s a reasonable likelihood that those insiders (to the extent they exist) are engaging in some post-hoc rationalization
by gift of the magi on Feb 20, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
When he has gotten PT lately, he has looked bad.
So he’s had a few opportunities which he has failed during. Don’t know what else to tell you.
I hate Varejao.
I don't agree that playing Brandon Bass would have been the solution.
It’s funny because that’s the first card a lot of people go in their deck when the Magic lose. It makes no difference if Bass scores when, more often than not, he’s going to give it all back on the defensive side of the ball. I do agree that Brandon’s low-post presence would be well-served in the second unit because sometimes Orlando’s bench struggles due to the fact that there’s no one to feed the ball in the post.
But again, it wouldn’t matter because Bass’ inability to play defense would undermine himself.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Im sick of everyone talking about Bass' defense
We have been getting torched by every point guard whether mediocre, superstar or struggling and when anyone brings it up its "Jameer is a good player’ some kind of excuse. Ryan Anderson is by no means a good or great defensive player. He gets playing time because he had a great preseason and earlier in the season he was looking even better than Rashard for that period. Reality is now setting in and he is a good player that will probably get better but he is struggling lately. Did any of the bench including Anderson play defense against the Mavs? Whats the validation for keeping them in the game if they are not playing defense and struggling on offense? Pietrus has been struggling lately with both offense and defense but consistantly gets his minutes. It would only be rational to sit the struggling players especially one thats not a superstar and give another player the opportunity. Just because Bass isnt a “good defensive player” that doesnt mean that in any given game he cant play better defense and contribute positively but we will never know if he isnt given the opportunity.
Armstrong, Penny, Dwight, T-Mac, Rashard
First of all, everyone gets torched by point guards.
It’s the way the rules have allowed the game to evolve. I don’t even know what that has to do with Bass’ situation.
Second of all, Anderson is a better defender AND rebounder than Bass. He played Nowitzki pretty well last night (as did Lewis), the dude just hits tough shots. Not to mention Anderson is a better fit offensively, and he is more versatile than Bass. So, I would love to see any argument whatsoever about Bass playing over Anderson. You’re like the people clamoring for CJ Watson to be our starting PG when he was the 3rd string PG on a bad Golden State team.
Finally, Pietrus’ defense has not been a problem. He is still the best perimeter defender we have. I don’t know what you’re talking about.
I hate Varejao.
No one says that Bass should play over Anderson
We’re saying that we got him for a reason then lets use him. if Anderson starts poorly we switch to Bass just like when Carter was struggling we played Redick more even in the 4th quarter, Jameer also got less time with Williams playing better during the January slump. Plus that everyone gets torched by point guards is BS check the facts and see that opposing point guards and shooting guards numbers were skyrocketing when they play the Magic.
Armstrong, Penny, Dwight, T-Mac, Rashard
Reputation over current Production havent we learnt yet
Last year Anthony Johnson and Alston carried us to the finals oh but Jameer was great during the season and coming off a major injury instead of playing AJ or Skip we played Jameer and everyone knows where that got us. Carter was slumping and recovering from injury last month we stuck with him and watched the losses piled up. Ironically Redick was playing his best ball of the season around that time maybe starting him might have gotten us a few wins during that period who knows now.
Armstrong, Penny, Dwight, T-Mac, Rashard
There was empirical evidence in both cases there to play the other guy more.
There is NONE in Bass’ situation. That is where your argument dies.
I hate Varejao.
Yes, the Magic are the reason why so many point guards are having great scoring seasons.
They just pad their stats against the Magic and suck against everyone else. That explains away Rose, Rondo, Tyreke, Aaron Brooks, Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Baron Davis, Brandon Jennings, uhhhh anyone else I’m missing?
I hate Varejao.
They produce more than their season average due to the lack of defense by Jameer
Its common knowledge that any and every aggressive slasher type guard that goes to the rim was easily getting by Jameer and or shooting way better than usual and we’re not talking about those guys either its guys like Randy Foye, Mike Conley, Lou Williams, Will Bynum By the way Stuckey is an allstar when he plays us Raymond Felton, DJ Augustin off the bench scores over 20 (more than Jameer) Andre Miller (who needs Brandon Roy) Derrick Fisher and Jordan Farmar, Darren Collison (career high) he couldnt even muster 20 against the defensive God Steve Nash.
Armstrong, Penny, Dwight, T-Mac, Rashard
http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2010/1/31/1286308/how-good-is-jameer-nelson
Just read that. By the way, Andre Miller torched the Magic last year in the playoffs… Correct me if I’m wrong, but Jameer was out for those games? Also, he dropped 52 on someone this year. Again, searching my memory banks, but I don’t believe that it was against the Magic. Yeah, pretty sure it wasn’t. Stuckey’s last game against the Magic, with Jameer playing the majority of the game? He was 4-13. All-Star caliber numbers, to be sure. The one game that Jameer played in against the Suns? He had 16 and 10 assists (even though he apparently can’t pass) while Nash had 12 points and 4 assists. Yeah, he sure got torched there by a 2-time MVP. Randy Foye scored 19 of his 22 points in the game during the 3rd quarter that Jameer only played about 4 minutes of. Augustin dropped 22 in the last game against the Magic, but Felton (who Jameer was guarding more) scored only 14 on 6-15 shooting. Charlotte played both points in the backcourt together a lot in that game.
Darren Collison has averaged 19.6 and 9.8 assists since he’s taken over starting for Chris Paul the past 9 games. Other teams he’s torched? Charlotte, one of the best defensive teams in the league, as well as Boston, again, one of the best defensive teams in the league. He also torched Deron Williams and Mike Conley. Dude just dropped a triple double in his last game.
It’s obvious Jameer is not an elite defender. Hell, he’s barely an average defender. But to go on some unrelated diatribe without actually watching any games and having legitimate evidence to back up your claims is just an exercise in futility. It’s tiring to have to shoot down people about the same thing over and over.
I hate Varejao.
I never said that Nash outplayed Jameer
I said that Collison had his career high 27 against Jameer and that Collison couldnt even muster 20 against the defensively challenged Nash. Its obvious that you dont watch the games or if u do you have a lack of understanding of the game. This site has mentioned many times in the previews and recaps about the Magic’s inability to contain quick offensive minded go to the rim guards. Anyway my point was that if Jameer, Carter, Pietrius whoever is allowed to have defensive and offensive lapses why do they go unpunished. Anderson has had great scoring games and has been held scoreless on several occasions. His defense has not always been up to par but despite the circumstances he still gets a second chance. Why cant Bass get two minutes to really show what he can do. Is that too big of a risk- even though we have seen that Anderson is also capable of the same crimes Bass is being Punished for and I’m pretty much sure that Anderson has never been put into a game for his defensive skills. An opportunity to fail or succeed thats all we wanna see
Armstrong, Penny, Dwight, T-Mac, Rashard
I stopped reading after you brought up Collison again.
He dropped over 20 against Charlotte, Boston, and Utah as well. He scored a grand total of 2 fewer points against the vaunted Boston defense the next game after he played against Jameer. Almost EVERY team struggles with quick, scoring point guards. Good day, sir.
I hate Varejao.
Im not saying that Jameer Isnt a good player
I was simply highlighting his lack of defense to show that despite Bass’ lack of defense he should get at least 2 minutes playing time. Some games he might play better just like Jameer and Carter. Just because Dwight is a notoriously bad free throw shooter doesnt mean that the next game he isnt capable of going 14-16 just ask the Raptors. Bass has blocked 3 shots in a game this year. I know everyone has fallen in love with Anderson but if you aint gonna be productive or is having a bad stretch lets give someone else a try.
Armstrong, Penny, Dwight, T-Mac, Rashard
2 many threes
pietruss and anderson must be in competition to see which can shoot the most terrible three point attempts in a game
Pietrus I understand, but Anderson?
He doesn’t take many bad shots.
by Evan Dunlap on Feb 21, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
So now instead of trading Vince and Jameer...
I guess we need to trade J-Will and Redick and Ryan and Pietrus. Sounds about right.
I tend to agree with Stan’s assessment of his own team, and if he wasn’t upset with things because, y’know, guys just missed some open shots all in the same night, then I’m not going to be either. There was nothing shameful about last night. Look at the stats above. Dallas was below season average in everything except their defensive efficiency. And I’d like to see that number if you show our starting line-up’s numbers compared to the what, 1-16 that Redick, Williams, and Pietrus were last night?
Also, I don’t want to hear the tired, “Live by the three, die by the three” argument either. They shot a lot of open shots. They missed a lot of open shots. Dirk missed a lot of open shots for a long stretch in the game. We had 52 points in the paint out of our 85. We actually attempted fewer threes than our season average. So there goes that.
It’s a tough loss to a good team with a few statistical aberrations. Moving on to Sunday’s game.
I hate Varejao.
Still, MP's shot selection when there's no one to rebound the ball
bugs me a bit… but I agree with your comments. Stan lost a bunch of games trying to get the starters going, I really hope we wont lose more games cause of bench production (who were very good thus far). Nevertheless all that counts is the playoffs but when the team goes in those offensive black holes it is kind of alarming. Can’t wait for tomorrow’s game.
some times I imagine this team with VC & J-Will at their prime...
Some of MP's shots were indeed horrible.
As they are in most games for him, unfortunately. But he did miss some open threes which he is actually good at. J-Will also takes those quick, transition pull-up 3’s without anyone to rebound, and it’s maddening but sometimes they go in. As Stan says some times, it’s a game of makes and misses at times. You can play hard and execute your offense well and still have a bad night if your shooters just aren’t feeling it.
I hate Varejao.
If MP took perfect shots
His name would be Kobe Bryant :). J/K ofc, but really, his defence makes for some bad shots he takes.
LOL, Kobe doesn't take perfect shots.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
The Magic need more from Rashard, and I'm not talking just about last night's game.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
by North of the South on Feb 20, 2010 1:00 PM EST reply actions
Well, they need to run more sets for him.
He’s good in the post, but he gets like, two to three touches there a game max, usually. He’s basically relegated to the position that if he has an open three, shoot it unless Dwight is right under the rim.
I hate Varejao.
It's tough.
More often than not, Lewis is the third option on offense.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
S.O.S.........We need some help in the boards
I think that it is enough with the Matt’s Barnes experiment, we need help in the boards,DH12 can not do everything alone, if SVG do not want to play the twins towers together then is time to start the PF position with Brandon Bass or Ryan Anderson and move Rashard Lewis to SF position. Cleavand has too much power now to stop superman, we need some help in the boards.
Because of Lewis at PF our rebounding at SF has to be above average
and it is with Matt Barnes. He’s one of the better rebounding SF’s in the league. He’s limited offensively but the few shots he takes are typically layups and 3’s within the flow of the offense. Having 4 All Stars in the starting lineup, it’s real nice to have a physical 3 who can rebound, play D and take limited shots within the flow of the offense. Z may not be back in Cleveland. They have Shaq, Bob, Jamison & Hickson (maybe Powe). The Cavs rebounding does improve now since Hickson will probably see fewer minutes. Dwight will draw the double from everyone but Shaq so it will come down to us making shots but we will have our chances with certain match ups just as they will. Twin Towers could come into play when it’s Shaq + Bob.
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What are you talking about?
The Magic out-rebounded the Mavericks last night. It is NOT time to start Bass at power forward because that’s not going to accomplish anything due to his inability to execute Van Gundy’s defensive schemes correctly. You’ll, then, exacerbate the problem by moving a player that can’t guard small forwards (Lewis).
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I'm not with the Bass scenario, but
Magic got out-rebounded both times by the cavs. 42-37 and 40-36. It’s not much but it’s something they should work on.
some times I imagine this team with VC & J-Will at their prime...
Bass wouldn't fix that problem.
He’s not a good rebounder, despite popular belief.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I said I'm not for more Bass, besides his stats
I rarely remember a player seem as lost as Bass when he was on the court both in offense and in defense. Maybe he’ll work out a way to fit in the teem eventually.
some times I imagine this team with VC & J-Will at their prime...
I, for one, would love to see Lewis try to guard LeBron.
It would be high-quality entertainment.
I hate Varejao.
SVG should hypnotize him into taking charges from LeBron
when his goes full speed to the rim.
some times I imagine this team with VC & J-Will at their prime...
barnes is good starting
not only do u get consistant effort…. but he is a good rebounder too
Anyone (Eddy or Ben) know what Gortat is referring to in his tweet saying "Family first...J.Nelson"?
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
bad second unit lineups
anderson and peitrus do not seem to be a good combo to have on the floor at the same time. 3 pointers are almost always their first option. the second unit needs someone who to score in the paint….these 2 have prob. the most offensive ability of the second unit excluding williams….. why do they manage to constantly jack quick 3’s ?
Anderson can score in the paint, he just gets too jumpshot-happy sometimes.
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