OPP Roundtable Discussion: Analyzing the Cleveland Cavaliers' Acquisition of Antawn Jamison and Its Effect on the Orlando Magic
With the NBA trade deadline here one minute, gone the next, one of the major trades that was consummated last night involved the Cleveland Cavaliers acquiring Antawn Jamison from the Washington Wizards in a three-team deal. Rather than analyze the move from the Cavs' perspective, I wanted to address a question that has floated around for a while. Even before Jamison was acquired.
How does this affect the Orlando Magic?
To answer that question, I went ahead and sought the wisdom of John Krolik of Cavs: The Blog and Tom Haberstroh of Hoopdata. One is a Cleveland Cavaliers' expert and the other is a statistical analyst.
Each individual provided his opinion on the Cavaliers' acquisition of Jamison, analyzed whether or not it would have made more sense for Cleveland to acquire Amar'e Stoudemire, and more.
Antawn Jamison to the Cleveland Cavaliers, is it good move or bad move? Hypothetically speaking, would have acquiring Amar'e Stoudemire have been the better trade for the Cavs?
John Krolik: It's an upgrade, to be certain. Hickson looked great against you guys, but he's been the team's weak link in the rotation overall. Jamison represents a significant offensive upgrade, and should mesh with Shaq and Varejao well offensively. He's such a versatile player on the offensive end, and he's a guy the Cavs can trust with the ball. Hypothetically, I'd have like Amar'e better, but Woj reports the Cavs' best possible offer was turned down, which makes it a moot point for me. Hey, I think LeBron and Dwight would be great together.
Tom Haberstroh: I have my concerns on the offensive end. Jamison's perimeter numbers are very underwhelming especially from just inside the three-point line. He consistently rates as one of the poorest long two shooters at the position and yet he still takes four per game year in and year out. I'm not sure that bodes well for the pick-and-pop nor do I think the Cavs offense needs another guy who thinks the long two is one of his best shots.
More after the jump.
With Jamison joining the Cavaliers, how does that effect the Magic when the teams play each other on Sunday and in future matchups (let's assume they meet in the playoffs)? Hypothetically speaking, how would have Stoudemire joining the Cavaliers affected the Magic?
JK: I'll have to see Jamison play with the Cavs before I can make a definitive statement about that. I imagine he'll help them defend the Magic's threes and get Howard out of the paint when he's on the floor with Andy (I mentioned Z drawing Howard out in my recap of the team's last meeting), but I'm not sure. I'm starting a movement to not let hypothetical Amar'e Stoudemire hang over the Cavs' season. He wasn't available. Sorry if I'm coming off as snippy, but I'm foreseeing many months of fielding these questions, and I don't like pretend basketball. You know you guys are my favorite.
TH: I think the Cavaliers actually wanted a guy like Rashard Lewis who could stretch the floor and really known down shots. I just don't think Jamison can do the latter. Amar'e would have been a real matchup problem for the Magic at the four but I don't see the Magic having their hands full with Jamison.
Some people have stated in the past that Jamison could be an equalizer to Rashard Lewis if the Cavaliers were to acquire him. Now that it's a reality, is that a true statement to make?
JK: Rashard's been shut down by Antawn in the past, but he had some terrible games against the Cavs in the regular season last year, and we all saw how that worked out. Rashard's a shooter with a quick trigger. When he's hot, he's hot. When he's cold, he's cold. After I defended Varejao's D on him last time we chatted, some commenters got on me and pointed out that Rashard shot in the high 40s from three in that series. There's no defense bad enough for a player to be expected to hit that kind of percentage from three, especially if they're somewhat contested. I'm paranoid, so I look at it as Jamison's flipped a coin against Lewis however many times and it's gone in his favor. Doesn't mean anything for the next flip.
Jamison's overall defensive numbers have never been great. I remember the Baseball Prospectus book that basically called shenanigans on one hitter/pitcher "owning" another one, and that most of those matchups basically ended up regressing to the mean. But again, I love statistics and have basketball anhedonia. I'm not an objective source.
People without crippling anxiety might say that the Cavs are doubling down on 11 and playing the odds w/r/t getting Antawn to defend Rashard. Still doesn't guarantee the Cavs are going to come out ahead. If a 6-10 forward is feeling it from deep, there's not much you can do. There's no failsafe way to defend that kind of shooter. The best you can do is increase your odds.
TH: But is an equalizer a good thing? They're fighting paper with paper, rather than attacking a weakness.
With Jamison added to the team, have the Cavaliers negated all the advantages the Magic had the past few years in the matchup? Some of them?
JK: I don't want to make a blanket statement. Shaq's certainly defended Howard well so far. Jamison's had success against Rashard. AP seems to be a good matchup against Vince. But when the playoffs start, all that stuff goes out the window. The Magic have a dominant physical force and a lot of guys who can shoot threes. SVG's a brilliant coach. The Magic will get some decent shots up. If the Magic are hitting their threes, there's no team they can't give serious trouble to. Last times these teams met, the Cavs had the Magic's number on defense one quarter and were getting lit up in the next. I like how the Cavs match up against the Magic now, but there will be a lot of variables at play in a seven-game series.
TH: I've always maintained that the series last year was much closer than the series length would suggest. A bounce here, a bounce there and LeBron takes on the Lakers for the title. Orlando and Cleveland were neck and neck last year and I think the Jamison deal makes the Cavs more similar to the Magic in the sense that they will try to mix an aging high usage scorer with questionable efficiency into their well-oiled machine-- not to mention the Chapel Hill roots. I still think it all comes down to LeBron and I would not feel comfortable betting against him again.
I like to thank John and Tom for answering my questions.
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As a die hard Phoenix Suns fan
This is the best thing that could have happened for us, Amare for the Cav’s junk was an insult. I tell you what you guys would have been in real trouble guarding that pick and roll between Amare and Bron so be happy!
The playoffs will be interesting...
I’m pretty excited to watch good ball.
by The Stan 'Stache on Feb 18, 2010 5:08 PM EST reply actions
Well
What’s the saying, the rich get richer? The Cavs were going to be difficult before they added Jamison, and now even more so. But the bottom line is you still have to play the games. Heck, we were actually lucky to get past Philidelphia last year, anything can happen in a series. My worries are still that the Cavs beat us twice this year last time without two of their starters. Last year in the playoffs, Mo Williams was shooting like Ben Wallace and that is highly unlikely to happen again. And Rashard hit big time daggers, that I won’t say I feel like he can’t do again, as he has been pretty good at that. However, all in all, I think it all boils down to the Cavs have a very good team and then they have that guy that can get them easy buckets at any given time, no matter with or without this trade, the Magic are going to have to will out a series victory like last year with clutch plays. Of course last year’s playoffs were the worst officiated games I had ever seen, so if that swings to the norm, the trade might be negated by those awful calls not being made. Hopefully its a great series where the refs aren’t too involved and the players get to play.
But even better would be Atlanta taking out Boston and Miami somehow taking out Cleveland. Then the trip will be much easier to make…
Look I'm not a die hard Orlando fan
I probably watch 50%of their games, but don’t sell yourselves so short. The Cavs despite their record still aren’t that great of a team and they know that which is why they tried to upgrade. Antwan “Creeky Hips” Jameson is not going to change that he’s an undersized PF and Rashad will tear him up. I just dont see Jameson thriving in Cleavland he was a nobody in Dallas where he wasn’t the top dog. So don’t worry boys, your season would have fallen apart if Cleavland would have landed Amare no doubt about that. But as long as you can get Old Man Vince in shape in the last 30 games you guys will be in the finals again.
Nobody in Dallas? Jamison won the Sixth Man of the Year with the Mavericks.
The Cavaliers ARE a great team, now more than ever.
I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.
"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Miami isn't taking out Cleveland.
The Heat might not even make it to the playoffs.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Nobody said anything about the Heat
I wouldn’t sell yourselves short, Cleaveland isn’t that great, dont be scared gangsta
I aint scurred
Just a realist. They have a great collection of players and that James guy is pretty damn impressive. After watching Barnes play against Peja, I am a little worried about our defense. Hopefully the mantra is to make Lebron shoot jumpers and not let him get to the hole.
I'm being realistic.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
The series will fall on Dwight's shoulders
Center is the only position that can be taken out of a game and Dwight was in foul trouble throughout the ECF last season so with the acquisitions of Shaq & Jamison to go along with Bob’s usual flopping makes it even more crucial an issue this season.
When Dwight’s not in the game LeBron will be at the FT line racking up points and fouls on our guys. An interesting ECF stat was Dwight’s FTA at Amway compared to Quicken Loans. Dwight at Amway 14.7. Quicken Loans 7.7. LeBron at Quicken Loans 13.7. LeBron at Amway 17.7. Yet Dwight was hyperaggressive the entire series so I’m not sure what to make of that. At least now with Jamison there he can launch up some long jumpers and take away some of LeBron’s FT’A’s, hopefully.
I say the series is 50/50 if Dwight’s not in foul trouble but we do have more offensive weopons than them so if Carter goes nova again we got this!
Life is a series of serious choices, theories are formed from experience, never mysterious forces. - stic.man
"I'm not impressed by your performance" - GSP
I would have to say, at about 110% positive, that the series does indeed fall on Dwight's shoulders. Next biggest factor should be VC, no one can defend him if he goes nova.
by the way, Dwight is averaging 75 FG% thru the 2 games against CLE this year. Only thing stopping him is fouls..
Yet Shaq is talking trash. It's pretty funny.
I hate Varejao.
I agree that the series falls, ultimately, on Howard's broad shoulders.
It’s not all about Dwight but it starts and ends with him.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
technically it starts with him and ends with Vince
The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.
by ben_gleicher on Feb 19, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Technically.
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