If the Cavs get Amare, do the Magic stand pat or make a move?
by jonathan.rivera84 on Feb 14, 2010 4:12 PM EST
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PrintI read on various websites that the Cavs are closing in on dealing for Amare. What does everybody think, does it force the Magic to make a move to be able to compete with the Cavs? Do you think they shouldn't make any trades because the Magic still have the ability to compete with a Cavs team that adds Amare?
I think the Cavs getting Amare could turn out one of two ways, really really bad or really really good. There's no middle ground here in my opinion. If Amare plays no defense like in PHX and just clogs up the paint along with shaq it could force more jump shots from Lebron. We all saw how well Amare and Shaq worked out together in PHX, can those 2 and Lebron coincide? On the other hand if he stays healthy, plays defense and actually rebounds like if he's 6'10 then they are going to present a lot of mismatches. Just taking the Magic for example, Dwight will be occupied with Shaq, Rashard will have his hands full with Amare, and Barnes and Peitrus will have more than their work cut out for them with Lebron. The Magic would really have to pick their poison. I don't know enough about Amare's game other than he gets a lot of his points off of Nash's pick and rolls. So i'm looking for some insight as to what this trade could mean for the Magic if it does happen. Also, I haven't seen Stoudemire play much so I'm not sure if he can guard Lewis out at the 3 point line. Anyone know?
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If Cavs get Amare, Orlando should make a move, but they won’t. If Cleveland gets Amare it will be lakers vs Cleveland in the finals. I don’t think it guarantees a championship, but a finals berth for sure.
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by Wmillion on Feb 14, 2010 4:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
There isn't a move for them to make
First, if Amar’e goes to Cleveland, it becomes unguardable. You cannot defend an Amar’e/LeBron pick-and-roll. Impossible. He can’t guard Lewis (hell, he can’t guard Brandon Bass), but it’s OK, because he’s going to score more than he gives up. He’d be a monstrous pickup, and it’s hard to imagine any team stopping the Cavs.
Second, the Magic have no assets. Bass $4 million deal is about it, but they don’t have any high-priced veterans with expiring deals (like Kenny Thomas’ $8 million in Sacramento) to balance a trade for a megastar. They also don’t have the intriguing, available young players (obvious example being J.J. Hickson in Cleveland) to make a deal more enticing. They aren’t parting with Ryan Anderson, that’s for sure.
Think about it: all the Magic have to offer is Bass, a 2011 first-rounder that’ll likely be in the mid-to-late 20s, and the small expiring deals of Anthony Johnson and Adonal Foyle. Which team is going to give up the final piece to the puzzle for that package?
What makes a scenario more interesting is if the Magic use Pat Garrity as ballast. Because they own his Bird rights, the Magic can sign him to a deal larger than the minimum salary even though they’re over the salary cap. The Lakers (Aaron McKie) and Mavericks (Keith Van Horn) have done similar things in recent years. Per Larry Coon, the Magic could sign Garrity to a three-year deal (only the first is guaranteed, so he’d be an expiring contract) for up to $4.7 million and use him in a trade. He would, of course, have to report to his new team to keep up appearances, but the team would waive him after a few days and he could go back to whatever it is he’s up to now with a nice paycheck for his cooperation.
Now, add Bass salary to Garrity’s, and throw in Johnson and Foyle. That’s $11.58 million with which to work. When both teams involved in a trade are over the cap, the salaries must match between 125% + $100,000. So the largest contract Orlando could take back with that package is $14.58 million.
That’s a lot of money, and could net a superstar in theory, but such a deal is unlikely. For one thing, the Magic would have to think their chances of winning a title are shot. Otis is not an impatient guy. I don’t think he’d hit the panic button. Second, they’d have to get Garrity to agree to put his life on hold for a week or so while they put him through the song and dance of reporting to the new team. Third, the trade partner would have to decide that the salary relief Johnson, Garrity, and Foyle provide, plus the young talent of Bass, is enticing enough to trade away a great player. Many other teams can make similar offers, but with more compensation (draft picks) and toung talent to make theirs more appealing.
What I’m getting at is the chances of Orlando’s making a trade like that are very, very slim.
by Evan Dunlap on Feb 14, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Could've been misinterpreted in a number of ways.
Good catch.
I hate Varejao.
Do you think the Pat Garrity idea is something the Magic have known all along? Because it’s a brilliant move! Nice thinking Ben.
That would certainly be enough salary relief because Garrity would be bought out like 2-3mil + right away I think, plus AJ/Foyle’s 2-3 mil that has the potential for him to be bought out if they want to return/choose his next team. That’s a lot of immediate relief there, not just expiring after the season in the checkbooks. You finally also have JJ who is expiring and can be had if it’s the right piece (Hello, Wade) while providing some legit young talent.
Then you finally have the complementary pieces that other teams would like to acquire in a salary relief-based/S/T’ing Star-Away move like Bass (high PER, offensive PF/C) and Gortat (Gortat especially, Id rather keep him long term) and even 2 yr deals like defensive elite MPietrus (but Id want a wing star back) or future all star stretch 4 in Ryan or a star in VC along with all the typical add ons from contenders, cash considerations, and 1st round 20’s-ish draft pick(s).
In essential, I think the Magic may be still offering slightly less salary relief than others (depending on pieces being looked at), but the pieces are all players who contribute to an elite team.
In terms of the Cavs trade, its seemed for a long while already that they would use Z for a trade, but I wouldn’t panic trade to match unless its one of the true players the Magic have always wanted. I would look at some minor/medium deals now, but I think the Magic’s time is this summer. They will find out if they can trade for a star then or do any other deals if they see fit. We are still 2nd in the East standings, which means little because ECF Champions Magic weren’t even seeded 1st last year either, and I can see a championship this season if the Magic keep playing together like they’ve been doing for the most part recently.
I understand what you’re saying. It adds to my “this trade can’t be good for the magic’s title hope” thinking! The only team capable of beating them would be the lakers, they have the length and a guy named Kobe that can match Lebron’s output.
It kind of makes me wonder what the Magic should do this offseason to stay as contenders.
by jonathan.rivera84 on Feb 14, 2010 7:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the Cavs could swing this, it seems like lights out for every team in the East
I’m not even sure if the Lakers could beat this team. I will give them this though, it would make for great finals. That would be an awesome show to watch. But, every single Laker would have to show up.
The Magic could also use their trade exceptions as part of this. The Wilks exception is almost worthless (and it expires this Friday), but the Turk exception could theoretically be used to acquire an extra piece for a trade. Assuming they got a player worth the maximum $6.86 million, that would allow a trade with an outgoing value of $18.44 million, which would allow incoming contracts of $23.15 million.
In my opinion, still a bad idea, but just an additional playing piece that wasn’t mentioned in Ben’s very thorough post above.
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Can't combine with the trade exception with anything else.
And you don’t trade a TPE, you fill it.
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I was somewhat unclear - I wasn't saying to combine it
Fill it with a player, then bundle that player along with Foyle/Bass/Johnson/the kitchen sink
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B/c we're over the cap....
any player acquired via the TPE is not eligible to be traded again in combination with another player this season.
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by magicfaninTN on Feb 16, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Ah. I did not know that
I’ve been spending time reading over the NHL’s CBA, since their first trade deadline was before the Olympics, and haven’t finished reading the NBA’s requirements.
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i dont think the magic would have too much trouble “getting garrity to put his life on hold for a week” for his share of $4.7 million
by Half-man Half-gortat on Feb 18, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
My opinion.
Part of me thinks that the Cavs and Suns are putting up a smokescreen and are trying to lower the prices on Murphy/Jamison and Iguodala. I spoke with someone in Dallas, actually, and was told that it’s a possibility.
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I hope so
People talking about Amare killing Cleveland’s D… Well, he can’t kill it anymore than Hickson already does. He might take away minutes from Varejao, which has its pros and cons. Overall, I think it would be very bad for the Magic if Cleveland were to swing this, not to mention it could give them a chance to pair someone with LeBron for a while, basically ruining chances to win a title for the near future barring an injury to LeBron. It also would increase his chance to stay there, which would mean I wouldn’t get to watch the reaction of the city of Cleveland if he does leave.
I hate Varejao.
I'm not one to say outlandish things without putting thought into them.
But if Amare is paired with LeBron, Cleveland could enter a dynastic period.
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I see them either being slightly better than now, or being a dynasty also. How Shaq/Amare fit is irrelevant, it’s all about how Amare/LBJ do together, if LBJ loses space inside to attack and Amare still is defensively slack or causing bad on floor chemistry it could be bad, but also having a real reliable post threat that is mobile and if they make some brilliant plays like pick and rolls together then it could just be a dynasty. I’m also in agreement with E that it is a smokescreen, or at the very least the public nature of the talks means the other offers for Amare heat up, so it could still be “just” an Antawn or Murphy, which can still be just about as effective than Amare. I would’ve already gotten Murphy alone if I were the Cavs. I think he’d be a perfect fit.
On the trade front also is the Wiz-Mavs trade that Wiz did for money reasons. I really, really like it for the Mavs, I think Haywood is going to be a suitable, if not practically the same, replacement to what Gortat would’ve brought to them if the Magic didn’t match. They have a lot of wing guys and offense already so I could see Butler not being a huge lift, but he’s already more reliable, tougher than J.Howard and his play could fit in really well (see last Wiz-Magic game).
I think Butler can fit in well with a variety of sets.
I really like his game, but that’s more of a subjective thing. He’s a decent shooter, a good slasher, and I think he’s very coachable, not a primadona type. I think that trade is pretty solid for Dallas.
I hate Varejao.
For realz.
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Don’t understand the trade from the Wizards prospective.
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by Wmillion on Feb 14, 2010 9:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, you'd think they could've gotten more.
Haywood was probably the best defensive big man on the block and Butler is a very solid and professional wing player. I’m glad he’s in a winning situation at least. UConn fans need something to cheer for this year (besides the women dominating absolutely everything, that is).
I hate Varejao.
Apparently the Blazers offered Steve Blake (expiring, useful), Jeff Pendergraph, and a 1st-round pick for Haywood
Why not take that package instead?
Butler is the key to the deal.
I’m in agreement with Hollinger, Pelton, and others. On face value, the Mavericks don’t improve a lot with the trade. However, if Caron plays at or close to the All-Star level that he’s capable of playing at, then Dallas becomes a worthy foe against the Los Angeles Lakers in a series .
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+1
Butler should be motivated. He will get some great looks on that team..
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Minor trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfaohcm
Gstate Gets-
Bass-size and depth
AJ-back-up PG
Orlando Gets
CJ Watson-Young PG
Brandan Wright-hopefully he returns from injury
K. Azuibue-hurt probably will not be healthy for a while.
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I don’t think the Magic need to give up Bass for CJ right now. He only signed to GS for a year, He’ll be available this summer if my memory serves me correctly. And I remember him saying he wanted to come to Orlando through the media. Why give up a player when you can use some of the space AJ’s expiring contract is freeing up to pick him up? (If Otis really wants him that bad). He waited it out for MP…The Magic would have their bi-annual exception to use right? I think AJ was who they used it on last. So they could offer him a competitive contract compared to what he has now. I think the sensible thing to do would be to wait for when Watson is available and possibly use Bass when trying to fill a bigger void. Like the starting SG in the future.
by jonathan.rivera84 on Feb 15, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Watson will be a restricted free agent again this summer, so GS can still match any offer for him.
And the Magic can offer him the bi-annual exception if they want to. Might require more than that, tho, like a portion of the mid-level. He’s having a down year, which gives Otis some leverage I suppose.
Poor CJ he’s stuck behind the 10 point guards on the warriors for another year lol. Who do you think would be a good fit for the Magic as a potential Vince Carter upgrade when the time comes?
by jonathan.rivera84 on Feb 16, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
CJ is not a SG.
Good backup PG, but not a Carter replacement.
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by magicfaninTN on Feb 16, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Who said he was a SG and a carter replacement? lol. I asked Ben who would be a good fit for the magic as a VC upgrade when the time comes? my previous post talked about using bass’ contract to try to get a SG to fill the future VC upgrade instead of trading for a backup PG before the deadline..
by jonathan.rivera84 on Feb 16, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops. Reading fail. Sorry.
Ben and Eddy have seemed reluctant to name names for a VC replacement, but we’ll see…..
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by magicfaninTN on Feb 16, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Not C.J. Watson.
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A young efficient scorer, who can distribute, and shoot 3 at a solid clip.
Orlando has two guys in the top 20 is 3 pt %. I think VC’s replacement doesn’t have to shoot a great 3.
Rudy Gay-I like em, E hates em.
Brandon Rush-hasn’t proved anything, but he can shoot of the dribble, and shoot’s a decent 3. Cheap too..
Andre Igoudola-little expensive, but he plays solid D, and passes well.
Wilson Chandler-cheap, efficent scorer, but stinks at the 3.
just a couple of quick names.
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None of those names make any sense aside from Iguodala (contract notwithstanding).
And that’s only because Iggy is one of the best defenders in the NBA.
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ha
Im trying to find guys that are realistic. I disagree wit your opionon on this one, but I would love to hear your take on who would fit. You tell me no, but provide no solution.
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It's simple, really.
The wing player in question has to be able to do a few things – ability to create for others, run the pick & roll effectively and efficiently, shoot threes at a good clip, etc.
There’s more prerequisites but those are the important ones.
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Bad on defense. Not a good fit, despite his offensive prowess.
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Do we have to pull it out of you by process of elimination, one player at a time?
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by magicfaninTN on Feb 16, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
It's tricky.
Joe Johnson would be a good fit, off the top of my head.
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He'd have to demand the Hawks trade him (the way he did with the Suns)
Because there’s no way Atlanta agrees to such a deal otherwise.
But if he’s unhappy in Atlanta (he has come down pretty hard on their fans a few times this year) he could certainly ask out, sure.
Isn't he going to be a FA?
So we could sign him straight out, but he could get a bigger deal if they sign him and trade him.. Bonus to them is something in return that is expiring.
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Johnson will be a free agent.
But the Magic will be over the cap, which means the most the team can offer is the Mid-Level Exception. The only way Orlando could acquire Johnson is through a sign-and-trade. That’s it.
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Don't want him for a 5 year contract though.
And that will make the bidding for him harder. Somebody will overpay. Like Toronto with Hedo.
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by magicfaninTN on Feb 18, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
With all the cap space about
Someone will give Johnson a max deal, even though he’s not a max player.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 18, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently
There’s like 9 teams who project to have enough space under the cap to offer a max deal.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 20, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
And none of them want to come up empty-handed
or communicate to their fans that suffering through this cap-clearing season was a waste of time.
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by magicfaninTN on Feb 20, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Please not K-Mart.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
I don't know.
Personally, I wouldn’t want to risk dealing with a backcourt that has the potential to be burned night in and night out. Howard is the best defensive player in the league but even he has his limits.
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I like Iggy, he can put up 15ppg easy and adding his defense to an already good defensive team. He’s also somewhat of a go to player in the clutch. He’s hit buzzer beaters in big moments (e.g. game 1 last year, 3 pointer in LA) I think he’s underrated and is just lacking a good team. He’s arguably looked over for the all-star game every year.
by jonathan.rivera84 on Feb 16, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
The main problem with Iguodala is his contract.
I’m willing to overlook his flaws on offense because he’s an elite defender in the NBA. Pair him with Howard and the Magic, without a doubt, would have the best defense in the league. The offense wouldn’t be great but it’d be good.
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Okay... even saying Wright and Bass are equal...
…which they more or less are now, but Wright is younger and has way more potential to work with…
but if you cancel those two out, your proposal involves Golden State dealing young backup PG CJ Watson for elderly backup PG Anthony Johnson?
And then they throw in Azubuike, who’s better than any of these guys, because…?
Meanwhile, we get… a new third-string point guard to replace our old third-string point guard, a scoring PF who can’t shoot threes to replace the non-three-point-shooting scoring PF who’s currently racking up DNP-CDs on our bench, and a guy who’s out for the season?
How does this help Orlando now? And how does it help Golden State at all?
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It doesn't.
I understand the idea of the trade, but it doesn’t make much sense for either Golden State or Orlando.
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CJ Watson now..
CJ can help this season and for next season and beyond. Orlando gets the young PG they need, he can defned the PG’s that have killed Orlando all season.
Bass is healthy and can contribute this season. Who knows what happens with B. Wright, he is stuck behind A.Randolph for the next 10 years anyway.
Azuibuike probably shouldn’t have been included, but he is hurt and makes the deal work.
Golden State gets a healthy body this year.
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I think you think Wright is more hurt than he is.
He’s expected to be back within a week or two.
(And anyway, why would the Warriors care if a guy “can contribute this season”? They’re nowhere near the playoffs.)
I guess my point is, the Magic are contending now. They have no reason to make a trade that doesn’t make them better now. And replacing two players who aren’t in the rotation with two players who wouldn’t be in the rotation (and an injured guy) does nothing for the 2009-10 Magic except threaten the team’s chemistry.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
Didn’t know he was due back that soon. I expected him to come back in April.
I like CJ to crack the rotation when Meer and JWill are getting worked, but outside of that he moves in to regular rotation player next year.
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Is Watson known as a defender?
I thought he was basically a scorer only — an Eddie House type, basically. I mean, he’s probably better on defense than J-Will. But I’ve never heard him described as some kind of defensive specialist.
Either way, I don’t think he fits in well with the Magic. He’s a very poor passer for a PG. That might be okay if you have someone else who can run the offense — a SG or SF who can control the ball part of the time. The Magic really don’t have that, so we need a real point guard out there at all times.
(And I’m really not a fan of situational rotations in general… when it comes down to it, you should be playing your best players, and not letting other teams force you into disrupting your plans and putting inferior lineups out there.)
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Or
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhayk2z
Hollins
R. Sessions
for
Bass
A. Foyle
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LOL, step away from the trade machine.
You’ve used up your allotment for the day. Just kidding.
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Sessions is a decent backup...
…but he doesn’t shoot the three, so we don’t want him.
Hollins is essentially useless — he’s a center who can’t rebound. That is a ridiculous notion for a player.
And why would Minnesota want Bass? They’re a rebuilding team… the last thing they want to do is weigh down their cap with expensive backups. Especially backups who play the same position as their two best players, which is ALREADY a problem.
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Well
I am not as in love with 3 as most Magic fans, EVEN though he stinks at the 3. He shoots and passes well.
Bass isn’t that expensive.
Hollins is that important in this trade to me. We still have Gortat.
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Sessions doesn't shoot the ball well; he's an inefficient player on offense.
As for Hollins, he’s a waste. Those players are not worth giving up Bass.
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Per LA Times:
The Cleveland Cavaliers are reportedly closing in on a trade in which they would acquire Amare Stoudemire from the Phoenix Suns in exchange for Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson.
If Not:
If Cleveland and Phoenix are unable to work out a deal, the Cavaliers reportedly have agreed to acquire Indiana forward Troy Murphy for Ilgauskas and Hickson. The team that picks up Ilgauskas would probably waive him, allowing him to go back to Cleveland in 30 days while providing salary-cap relief.
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nba-notes15-2010feb15,0,2607531.story
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I still think it's a smokescreen for the Cavaliers and the Suns to get their primary targets.
But at this point, it’s tough to say.
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Well in retrospect, we can either say it was indeed a smokescreen, or that Cle was able to take Jamison w/o losing Hickson and having to worry about contract extensions and chemistry issues.
LOL, I want to say it was a smokescreen just to say that I was right.
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update
http://outtatownclowns.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/amare-stoudemire-trade-update-3-0/
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by Wmillion on Feb 16, 2010 12:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We should try to steal Amar'e Stoudemire
Foyle and Barnes for Stoudemire, perhaps?
Two local boys, Stoudemire and Carter, straight to the NBA title.
Me babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
Obviously you're dreaming.
Numbers aren’t even close…..let alone basketball fit.
I’d rather have Nash if the Sun decide to blow up the whole thing.
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by magicfaninTN on Feb 16, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Nash and Dwight...
A man could dream. Although that work for approximately 1 more season before Nash finally starts to feel the effects of age.
I hate Varejao.
Naw, Nash is the most ridiculous man in the world. He'll make it to the end of his contract.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdNiXidfLcc&feature=player_embedded
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by magicfaninTN on Feb 16, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well the Cavs got Jamison.
That sucks. And all they had to give up was Z’s contract, and he’ll be back with them in 30 days anyways. Oh, and the what, 29th or 30th pick in the draft? The NBA, where every team is waiting for 2010 happens.
I hate Varejao.
by slickw143 on Feb 17, 2010 7:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The NBA where the teams the NBA want in the Finals get star players for nothing…cough gasol cough jamison cough. Excuse me
by jonathan.rivera84 on Feb 17, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
The Lakers didn't get Gasol for nothing.
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This deal makes sense for the Wizards too.
They cleared up a huge amount of cap space. What were they doing with Jamison? They’re a rebuilding team — they don’t need a 33-year-old guy making $15 million a year.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
I still like the Magic’s chances against the Cavs even with Jamison. It’s a better matchup for Lewis than Amare. I think Lewis can play him straight up on defense.
by jonathan.rivera84 on Feb 17, 2010 8:35 PM EST reply actions
Exactly. Jamison is about the same age as Rashard too, right?
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by North of the South on Feb 17, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Older
He’s 34 and they owe him $15m a season for two after this one (!) (I think).
by eltharion_doa on Feb 17, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
yes sir.
http://hoopshype.com/players/antawn_jamison.htm
Antawn Jamison
$11,641,095-this year
$13,358,905-next
$15,076,715-year after
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Shit
And we think Lewis has a dud contract. $15m for a 36 year old Jamison…even Hedo’s contract isn’t that bad.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 17, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
On second thought, I'm wondering how this plays out for Cleveland.
Especially if Z resigns. They’ll basically be going through the same thing the Magic were in the beginning. 5 guys to play 2 positions. Varejao works too well for them for him to sit, Jamison is Jamison, Hickson’s coming on strong, I can’t imagine Shaq to be cool playing only 15-20 per game. Z might take a backseat, but I dunno.
I’m just trying to talk myself out of being bummed about this salary dump by Washington into their formal rival’s lap. The contract talk above helps, though.
I hate Varejao.
It makes Cleveland stronger, but not unbeatable.
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I'm not as big on Hickson as some people.
I mean, what has he accomplished? 19 mpg, 7.4 ppg, 4.4 rpg. He’s an efficient inside scorer but not a prolific one. His rebounding is mediocre to poor — not quite as bad as it looks, because the Cavs play such a slow pace, but still safely in the Brandon Bass/Tony Battie range.
As for his defense, well, the Cavs’ defensive rating is 104 with Hickson on the court and 97 (!) without him. Granted, part of that is the fact that no Hickson = Varejao, and Varejao is a great defender. But still, Hickson’s something of a liability on D.
Put it all together, and the overall picture I’m looking at bears a strong resemblance to Brandon Bass. And not the defensively gifted Brandon Bass of Dallas, either. And sure, he’s young, but his per-minute stats look a lot like last year’s. I don’t know if he’s ever going to be much more than a decent backup, and the Cavs shouldn’t hesitate to cut his minutes or remove him from the rotation, if that’s what it takes to get their other players time.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
+1
I agree. The guy on sportscenter said it well"Lebron is going to make Hickson alot of money"
Hickson is ok, I was suprised by how high some analyst seemed to be on him..
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I'm not high on him either, seeing as how a lot of his points against us were garbage points.
Not to mention he’s still a bad defender, despite his block on Dwight. But, he’s still very young and he’s at least playing well enough to be a rotation player, which one could not say 3 or 4 weeks ago.
I hate Varejao.
Same here
I would have thrown him in without hesitation to get Stoudamire.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 18, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
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