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Off-Day Open Thread: Does Chris Duhon Still Have Your Confidence?

When the Orlando Magic signed Chris Duhon as their long-term backup point guard behind Jameer Nelson, the six-year veteran's limitations were clear. He can't shoot a reasonable percentage inside the three-point line, he's not exceptionally quick or dynamic, but he sure can make plays. But this season, he's struggled, despite playing alongside the most talented overall team of his career. His usage and assist rates career-low, his turnover rate is a career-high, and one prominent Magic beat writer is asking if coach Stan Van Gundy ought to go with Jason Williams instead.

Eddy Rivera went into great detail, using some Synergy Sports Technology data and advanced metrics, on Duhon earlier today, so I apologize for the redundancy, but Duhon's stretch of three starts in place of the ill Nelson has put him squarely in the spotlight. The fact that his man, Mike Bibby, got free for the game-clinching three-pointer last night in a Magic loss to the Atlanta Hawks only adds to the frustration with him.

What's clear right now is that Duhon isn't performing to his capabilities; his suddenly prodigious, and to a large extent silly, turnovers are indeed cause for concern. We're one-quarter of the way through the season and he still doesn't look quite comfortable in Stan Van Gundy's offense. His reluctance to shoot, even when open, also does opposing defenses favors, as Bret LaGree of Hoopinion detailed in his Hawks game recap:

Bibby consistently went under ball-screens, willing to let Duhon shoot. To Duhon's credit, he didn't. Such discretion did little to help move the Orlando offense toward a good shot, though.

All I'm asking right now is how comfortable you are with Duhon backing up Nelson. Please vote in the poll attached to this post. RSS readers, please visit Orlando Pinstriped Post to participate in the poll.

Poll
How confident are you in Chris Duhon's ability to contribute meaningfully to the Orlando Magic in his role as backup point guard?
Confident.
44 votes
Not confident.
399 votes
I'm not sure; ask me later.
102 votes

545 votes | Poll has closed

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Even the word ‘still’ is a stretch to me. I’m not sure I’ve ever had much confidence in him to help a team to begin with

by HeyRiles on Dec 7, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

THIS x100

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 7, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesnt seem to be able to run the offence

He just passes the ball around to his closest teammate or someone that isnt being guarded too closely.

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by Andeezy on Dec 7, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

A point guard is meant to defend against points

Point guard: guard against the other team scoring points.

What the hell am I talking about???

by Raptorel on Dec 7, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

My friends from NY told me he'd suck for this team

..I now know why.

If anyone gets traded this year, I hope he goes with them.

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by magic12ball on Dec 7, 2010 2:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Duhon has not lived up to his potentials

One quarter of the season should suffice to make him comfortable within the system, and yet he is not at times. I could see some progression towards where he should be but there is no consistency. Additionally, his defensive prowess has been spotty, at best, although he could not be pinned down for his performance of last night since the whole team was lethargic.

Obviously, he needs to put in extra time and effort in practice to get where he should be. In the meantime, for the sake of team stability, I renew my earlier call to use JWill as the back-up and allow Duhon to earn the spot through demonstrating required transition in practice sessions.

by Matt1325 on Dec 7, 2010 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

i try to like this guy but just cant

he dosent fit with our team what is he averaging?

by era2008 on Dec 7, 2010 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

on how many shots ? 5 ?

I kid. But he also needs to work on the TOs. 37 : 26 on passes 11 on ball handling.
I really hope that he’ll pick things up soon, a) cause Jameer needs some rest from time to time with the offense not sitting on the bench with him and b) no way J-Will can play consistent minutes anymore. The other thing is that he’s suposed to be a great P&R PG and the Magic are a good P&R team, so no great adjustement to be made there. I still have some patience left for him though (mainly because of the lack of choice).

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by 44792212 on Dec 7, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

that is myth

he looks horrible in our P& R since NOBODY is afraid of him attacking the basket

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 7, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I miss Dad

How does Duhon’s stat line compare with AJs last year here?

I'm a guy, too!

Looking forward to the shortest off-season ever - next year!!

by rightnow! on Dec 7, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

<a href=“http:// ”http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=duhonch01&y1=2011&p2=johnsan02&y2=2010" target="_blank">http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=duhonch01&y1=2011&p2=johnsan02&y2=2010" >Compare at basketball-reference.com

Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case, 'cause "...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 7, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. That just makes Duhon look even worse

AJ wasn’t tearing up the court, but at least he was steady and didn’t tend to make silly mistakes.

Also, I didn’t cringe every time he was on the floor.

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by EnnBee on Dec 8, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Dad played very well when he was called to play

I remember him scoring like 17 points in a quarter or something ridiculous like that in a game last year.

by Raptorel on Dec 8, 2010 4:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Duhon has mainly had the effect...

..of making it REALLY hurt when Jameer has to sit. Even Dwight sitting for Gortat isn’t nearly as big a handicap for the team.

by Tim333 on Dec 7, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

This as well.

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 7, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

This team has needed a YOUNG PG to develop for years now

This one is on Otis. I firmly believe we could have grabbed a guy in the 2nd round for cheap who we could have developed into being better than what Duhon currently offers.

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by DOT COM on Dec 7, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

I tend to agree, but....

I don’t think Otis was feeling this team has the time for a rookie to develop at the backup. He needed someone who could already play at an NBA level if the team was going to compete for the championship this year.

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by magicfaninTN on Dec 7, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Can't say I'm shocked by the results shown in the poll so far

Evan, do you see Duhon being the back-up to Jameer come playoff time if he continues to play at the level he has thus far?

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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 7, 2010 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

So far, not a fan

I always thought he had reasonable on-ball defense but that has looked bad this year too. He’s OK as a distributer, but thats it. The offense seems to struggle with him running the point so far.

Hopefully he play better though. A bit more aggresiveness in trying to score would be a start.

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by L Magico on Dec 7, 2010 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

I agree...

he looks way too hesitant to take shots, even when he’s wide open. Is this him? Or is it SVG or teammates in his ear telling him not to? (Personally I think SVG would be telling him to shoot it.) Anyway, I just wish Duhon would take his balls out of his purse, dust’em off, and be more aggressive.

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by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Dec 8, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

This is Chris Duhon

Knicks fans would probably say, “I told you so.”

http://knickerblogger.net/2010-report-card-chris-duhon/

He was a reluctant shooter as a starter for the Knicks last year…all year; which is understandable since he’s a career .393% FG shooter.

I was hopeful that playing against second units and reduced minutes would improve his play, but it looks like he’s not going to get it right.

by Hoop Dreams on Dec 8, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Watson is worse than Duhon, and both Blake and Ridnour start at 4million per year.

Ridnour is the only player who I currently would want over Chris. He is getting his stats basically playing starters minutes in Minnesota (27pg).
The only statistic Blake has over Duhon right now is 3pt shooting, and it is likely an outlier, as he is shooting 47% with a regular career average of just under 40%. Lower assist rate, and virtually the same overall shooting % as Duhon. Chris is also playing vastly under his potential. He has room to improve, just going through a rough patch right now. I hope he turns it around

by MagicMark on Dec 7, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

basic fundamentals

My problem with Duhon is his lack of basic skills as a point guard.

on the defensive end: he’s an average to above average defender, that’s fine, but he regularly closes out WAY to hard on shooters. This is something Van Gundy’s teams have always been exceptional at: closing out under control so as not to put strain on the defense if the shooter fakes the shot and easily goes around the agressive close out. It’s one of the reasons the magic have kept teams that generally are shooting teams (chicago, atlanta hawks etc.) out of the paint, and to low shooting percentages. duhon does not do this. his closeouts are way too agressive.

on the offensive end: where do i start. reluctance to shoot, terrible decisions once he turns the corner on the pick and roll (how many times is he gonna turn the ball over trying to pass it between two defenders to the roll guy when there’s NO space to do so??), and my biggest problem with him: his passes are often weak and off target. there have been so many times when his passes do not his the shooters where they need it to go up with the shot. either that, or the pass is so weak that it never gets to them (opposing team steals it), or by the time is DOES get to them, the shooter no longer has the open shot.

these are my issues with duhon.

him. immediately.

by suan-e on Dec 7, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

This X100

Miss Johnson… he sure could get the Team going.

Even Williams is an upgrade over Duhon. He just needs to get in top shape and keep his minutes down so as not to burn him like we did last year.

Let’s get Duhon involved in a trade pkg with Gortat, shall we?

by manny55 on Dec 7, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I've still got some confidence...

I’m also a bit pragmatic… if not him.. I doubt J-Will could do a better job. But the fact our 3rd string PG is getting some minutes even before our injury and flu concerns around the team means SVG is starting to find more production from our deep bench.

by RL Magic on Dec 7, 2010 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

It's simple. Play the better player.

And that’s Jason Williams.

You could see it last night. Everytime Duhon brought the ball up, he handed it to Carter. Eventually Carter started bringing the ball up himself. If Duhon isn’t there to run an offense, there’s no point on having him on the floor to play 4v5.

I’m sure his defense is adequate but not so much that it scares a team. It didn’t scare Mike Bibby.

Jason Williams pushes on the break, actually has a 3pt stroke, and knows how to find the open man. Yeah he’s older and is paid less, so what! The Magic are trying to win games and Duhon isn’t helping. There’s a risk playing Jason now will make him too tired for the playoffs, but with Nelson playing so well and Redick being a viable play maker, Williams doesn’t have to play too many minutes.

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by thermodynamic on Dec 7, 2010 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

Cut out the backup PG altogether

Have Carter run the O with JJ and Pietrus at the wing’s

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 7, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol he never had mine

I remember somebody calling me out of voicing my opinion on duh-on… I wonder if they bought the jersey yet… Lmbo… He looks lost on both ends of the floor.. And his spontaneous hustle plays are to far and few between to even give him that credit… Trade him

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by JoeyBarz on Dec 7, 2010 7:57 PM EST reply actions  

To be brief... Not really.

To be semi-long… I think it might be wise for Stan to still give him the majority of the minutes in the regular season. Why? Because last year, it seemed pretty clear that J-Will tired out by the end of the season and the playoffs. If we keep giving Duhon the majority of the back-up minutes, we give him more time to (hopefully) become comfortable in the system. However, if that doesn’t happen, at the worst J-Will can step in pretty easily as the back-up and play when called upon… and with fresh legs.

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by slickw143 on Dec 7, 2010 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Wow man

If i had to articulate a reason for my comment below this would be it.

Well said sir.

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by I KNOW IT ALL on Dec 7, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

YOU DO KNOW IT ALL

who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
around here we developed such a sound down here
but duplicate it off the steel it can only be found here

by 4QB on Dec 7, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

ROFLCOPTER

Good Joke friend.

Funny times for all :-)

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by I KNOW IT ALL on Dec 8, 2010 3:36 AM EST up reply actions  

ah I missed this

Yeah what he said…never mind my post below.

If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.

by Eric9321 on Dec 8, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem is he can't put 2 and 2 together.

On some days, he will shoot the ball well and his assists will drop. On other days, he will pass the ball forever and will not take a shot at all. At some point, he has to put it together.

who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
around here we developed such a sound down here
but duplicate it off the steel it can only be found here

by 4QB on Dec 7, 2010 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

I am inclined to give him till All star break before I pass judgement.

NO rhyme or reason, just gonna continue to observe.

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by I KNOW IT ALL on Dec 7, 2010 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe he needs the call from Coach Krzyzewski

It got Redick going when Coach K called.

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by magicfaninTN on Dec 7, 2010 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

Trade for Patrick Mills...

Kidding, but as an Aussie id love to see one of my countrymen on the Magic. He’s actually had two decent games in the last few days, now that he is getting a chance to play some minutes. Kid has potential.

by Ezy on Dec 8, 2010 1:35 AM EST reply actions  

I like Mills.. on the Aussie NT, not the Magic

I think he’s even smaller than Jameer, minus the physicality and clutch capacity. I’d prefer a bigger guard if we ever got a young guard

by RL Magic on Dec 8, 2010 4:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Duhon is good as a defensive PG when other shot creators are on the floor

Probably would be good with a younger Turkoglu on the floor with him at the same time. Can be “good” with Vince on the floor if the Magic will run the offense through Vince.

But at this point, you can’t really run the offense through Duhon because he’s not a threat to score from anywhere – not quick enough to get inside, when he gets inside he has a low chance of scoring, he doesn’t shoot the three, he hasn’t been good on the pick and roll, he’s a bad free throw shooter… so…

I liked his hustle in the Atlanta game though and I respect that. Let’s not be all out negative on him, let’s be fair. I mean, it’s not like he’s not giving a damn… he tries but at this moment, he just plays bad. Hopefully with more time he’ll start to make better decisions and understand more what he can or can’t do with this team and what, when and where his teammates expect him to do stuff.

by Raptorel on Dec 8, 2010 4:22 AM EST reply actions  

To quote a comment from the ORL Sentinel
Duhon just plain out Stinks, PERIOD. If Williams started in the Bucks game, Magic win. Stan Van Dumpy is a hardhead and Otis Sh*ts is another story bringing this waste (Duhon)of 3.5 million to a contract for 4 straight years. Duhon is a joke to watch as even as 3rd string point guard. Anyone who thinks Duhon will be better this year is fooling himself. OR RELATED TO HIM. JUST ASK the New York Knicks who could not wait to dump Duhon. The guy even looks dumb.

This is soooo funny I can’t stop laughing.

by Raptorel on Dec 8, 2010 6:23 AM EST reply actions  

This is why I am here and not there, Thank You for reminding me.

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 8, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

don’t you just really enjoy, perhaps even love OPP/3QC returning to normalcy?

by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 8, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 8, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually... ....

I’m missing a few opinions to the contrary – too much group hugging going on here!!

by Jaxfann on Dec 8, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You would.

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 9, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I like that Duhon is playing now.

He hasn’t been very good, but deep down as I said before the season, I hope that they use Duhon throughout the season and then work Jason into the mix late in the season. At least if nothing else we won’t have a worn out Williams in the playoffs.

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by Eric9321 on Dec 8, 2010 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

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