Hope returns to The City Beautiful
I think I realized how much of a fan I am of the Magic when they made the trades the other day. Despite more than a year of evidence, I still believed that Vince and Rashard could be part of a championship team. If I was looking at any other team, I would consider that belief horribly short sighted. I realized what I had been missing last night as I watched the game against the Mavs.
While the numbers from last nights game were ugly for our newcomers, the eyes told a different story. I was more excited, and more impressed, with Hedo and J-Rich than I remember being with Vince and Rashard since Vince joined the team. This team is a mess right now, but it's a mess with lots of things that can be fixed, rather than a mess that is beyond the point where it can be fixed. That's the difference between this team and the team we had last week. The high and low points by player:
Jameer: He looked very uncertain last night, but that's understandable. Jameer's showed signs of uncertainty in the past when his position isn't secure, and he's undergoing the biggest change of any of the players from the core of the team. Towards the end ofthe game I saw him working a little more naturally off the ball, but towards the start, he was just handing the ball to Hedo once he got to half court and hanging out. I'm confident that he'll come around in his new role of combo guard, and expect him to be able to provide scoring punch at the wing in the shape of 3s, that long two from straight on from the pick and roll, and drives to the hoop. I think Jameer is the second most likely candidate for drawing productive fouls behind Hedo (Dwights drawn fouls are relatively unproductive due to his FT%).
Gil: Gil is very obviously feeling pressure, but he's also very obviously rising to the level of mental toughness and determination that was typical for him before his knee injuries. I'm really high on the idea of this being the best opportunity for Gil to revive his career. I believe that he has the skills and the swagger to be an absolute killer on offense. He's not going to regain the ability to streak to the rim and finish, or draw fouls through sheer atheleticism, but Gil is only 30, and he can still shoot with the best of them when he gets his shot going. A confident and comfortable Gilbert Arenas will command a lot of attention from opposing defenses, and he has the offensive awareness to make plays based off of that. Defense is going to be an issue for him. He's not very mobile when he has to change direction. You saw it several times last night when he switched during P&Rs then had to turn and run someone off of the 3 point line. It ain't happenin. The sooner we, and Stan, accept that as a reality, the easier it'll be the make the necessary defensive adjustments, strategy-wise, and give Gil the support he needs to be a valuable asset to our team.
JJ: I've got to be honest, as much as I like JJ, his game, and the amount of work he's put in for this team, I see him getting traded soon. Teams are not that terribly interested in Duhon or J-Will, and the Magic have got to move a guard for a big. JJ, though we'd all hate to lose him, will net us an acceptable backup to Dwight. If he stays, he does the same Jameer does, at a less elite level.
J-Rich: This man is going to be a killer for this team, but the team needs to make adjustments to it's offensive strategy in order to facilitate that. J-Rich is too fast and too athletic to not be moving constantly away from the ball. You can play a P&R offense and hope he takesthe initiative to do this on his own, and toss him some gimmes in the process, or you can start adding those screens and curls in. The Magic have the opportunity to become much less predictable here, and more efficient in the process, but this will take more time to perfect than any other change they face. Defensively, his rebounds, strength, and athleticism are going to make him a positive contributor. With a little coaching and focus, I believe he has the ability to be just as much of a wing stopper as MP was.
Q-Rich: Welcome to purgatory. The only way to escape is to play your way out of it. Time to find that shot. Time to bring every ounce of energy you've got on defense. He's probably not getting traded, but he's not going to play much unless there's an injury or he plays himself into a rotation spot like Bass did this year, and JJ did the year before.
HEDOOOOOO!!!: It's funny to me how opinions change concerning this guy. I think Hedo really breeds a love hate relationship with his fanbase. He's entertaining, and talented, but he's also out of control, and I've never been convinced that Hedo is truly motivated. He always appears lackadaisical to me. In the past, with goofball Dwight, he fit right in. I'd love to see him get serious this year. I don't expect the turnovers to drop much, but this guy creates offense. Between finding the right guy at the right time when no one expects it, hitting an above average percentage of threes, and drawing fouls, Turk is going to help this team. I was also VERY impressed with his D on Dirk last night. Dirk never got going, and it was because Hedo was dialed in and concentrating on bothering him. He gave him no space for the jab step, and when Dirk fell away, Hedo was usually right there with a hand up. The man has length. He can use it defensively.
Bass: Brandon is about to play the best basketball of his career. There is no reason, with the way the ball is moving, for him to average less than 8 automatic mid-range jumpers a night. There will be cleanup duty needed at the rim, and he is the only bruiser we've got besides Dwight. He's going to earn this years pay and last years in the next few months. Watch it happen.
Ryan: I've got a completely nuetral outlook on expectations for Ryan right now. Coming off an underwhelming start and an injury, it may take him a while to get going at a productive level. I think Ryan's either going to be making progress, or we're not going to see much of him. I don't see him playing much above backup level ball this year, for this team, but the potential is still there for him to be Kevin Love light.
My name is Earl: That nickname caught my attention on NBATV last night, and I think it's funnny. YMMV. I was surprised to see him play so much last night, given that he's logged so few minutes over his short career, but I was a little impressed. He plays backup level offense, and there's tons of realistic room for improvement. Defensively, he played Dirk ok, but Tyson Chandler abused his lack of awareness. I'm not pinning the loss on those blunders, but a vet backup big could've saved the Magic 6-8 points last night. Coach him up and bring him along. This guy could be the next Gortat in a season or two (no name center to solid backup).
Dwight: Nothing negative. This has been his best season yet without question. He's playing MVP level ball. He deserves a shot at a title. MVP caliber players do not stay with teams that don't deliver a shot at a title, regardless of how loyal they are. The Magic need a finals appearance this year or next to have a shot at keeping Dwight unless the new CBA changes things dramatically in a way I can't currently envision.
The Magic have a team that can develop into a title contender. It may not happen this season. I wouldn't be surprised if they fall in the second round this year, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they accomplish the most incredible post all-star break turnaround in the history of the NBA. This team is still up in the air, but every day since Saturday has brought me more hope. Looking at the reads from the national sports community over the last few days indicates I'm not alone. Despite 2 losses, opinions have been getting rosier and rosier.
This team is probably not going to play above .500 ball for the next month or two. That should not diminish our support of the team or it's players. We've got a club full of shooters here that deserves our hope and enthusiasm. Win or lose, it's time to enjoy the ride, and temper expectations for a litle while.
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VC needs either surgery or treatment on a knee (He’s opted for treatment + rest to see if it improves) and Rashard didn’t suit up last night against the Bobcats because he didn’t have enough time to mentally prepare for the game. In contrast, Arenas went to the ATL game, couldn’t play so he hit the practice court.
Changes were made for the better and I’ve stuck by this since the announcement of the trades. VC wants to be on the court and plays with effort but he’s limited because of injuries and didn’t fit that well with the starting 5 (‘Meer and VC weren’t on the same page enough). Rashard, IMO has lost his edge/ability/fire and it’s never coming back.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody" -svg
JJ has the right to veto any trade
I don’t think he’ll accept a trade, unless there’s a permanent starting spot open for him on that team.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Dec 22, 2010 6:47 PM EST reply actions
And he only counts for 1/2 of his salry in a trade. Very unlikely he goes anywhere this year.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 23, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
arenas is only 28. jan 6th 1982
jj should not be traded and i believe the brass knows that.earl is a forward not a center and he had 6 points last night in 13 minutes.also ryan will be getting his minutes when he is healthy.no disrespect but are you a magic fan or just looking in from the outside?
I've been a Magic Fan since the beginning.
I grew up in Orlando. I was about 8 during the inaugural season. The magic are the reason I started playing basketball. I’ve still got an old worn rubber ball signed by the whole team (minus Nick) from the year before Shaq, when we were playing Stanley Robinson. I didn’ get Nick because he stormed out of practice that day. That was the day he found out he was out for most of the season. That season was nothing but injuries.
I apologize for my lack of awareness of the details of JJ’s deal. I’m admittedly much more a fan of the game than the business. I’m a tactics guy, not a strategy guy. And I stand by my assessment of Ryan. There’s a reason Stan benched him. I expect him to turn it around, and after more thought, I’m SURE he’s going to get minutes regardless, because he’s almost surely going to be in front of Earl.
Fair nuff?
My 3 yr old's Teacher: Is he yelling white power?
My Wife: No, he's yelling Dwight Howard.
You don't add $150m in payroll
And accept anything less than a title. Otis rolled the dice because he thought the team wasn’t good enough before. Therefore, the team needs to be good enough now. If it’s not, he’s failed.
I wish I could believe every washed up marginal player in Orlando will magically become who we need them to be, but I just can’t. Turkoglu wasn’t even that good in his last season here, let alone the 16 months he’s had since then. He’ll probably be better than he was in Toronto, but we need him to get back to the level he was at the year we made the Finals, and that ain’t happening. Arenas – I just don’t think he’s got it any more. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am. He’d be a fine player on Duhon’s contract, but his contract will destroy out ability to retool our roster for nothing better than a good backup PG with the ability to explode for 30 points occasionally.
Richardson’s good, but he’s never shown any desire to play defense, and he’ll need to at least slow down the NBA elite wings if Orlando has a hope. And I find that…unlikely.
This doesn’t look like a championship roster to me. This looks like a roster that will be fun to watch once it finds it’s groove, but I don’t think it beats the Heat and Celtics, or Lakers or Spurs. And that means Otis Smith has potentially destroyed the roster for at least two years, probably three, and potentially four, for absolutely no improvement.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 23, 2010 8:15 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
One thing for sure...Our roster that got blown out down in Miami most certainly didnt look like a Championship team..
Orlando Native(By way of Parramore)
How about the team which was 10 out of 11, beating MIA convincingly and demolishing CHI in that stretch?
you mean...
The same exact team that right after that…got completely obliterated by the Celtics? Come on. The trade is done. Either get behind the team and support it…with those same hopes that you spoke of below..or find another team.
Orlando Native(By way of Parramore)
Huh? When did we play with Celtics this year? Is there a penalty for being foolishly wrong?
This is new to this blog that one who is not foolishly supportive of ownership, GMs and coaches is not a true fan. That was the theme at orlandosentinel.com which seems creeping unto this blog. Congratulation Evan, in the spirit of the freedom of speech, the quality of the blog has improved, dramatically.
and I don't foolishly follow anyone...
and If a move was made that I didn’t agree with…which several have been…I would still support the team…and hope for the best..as I do now..
Orlando Native(By way of Parramore)
You still didn't respond to the fact that we beat Miami and destroyed Chicago before the virus hit.
The only loss in that 10 of 11 stretch was in San Antonio, a game which many observers called “Finals worthy”. The team wasn’t perfect, but this trade shows that Otis is the real Master of Panic, as much as I hate that term. We essentially had 3 bad games (on the road, against West playoff teams, oh no!) and we blew the team up.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
So what?
It wasn’t before, it isn’t now, and before we weren’t paying Gilbert Arenas $45m in 2012-14.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 23, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
we could..
very well win a championship before 2012..if you don’t believe that…then why are you a fan?
Orlando Native(By way of Parramore)
So
You weren’t a fan before Orlando traded for Arenas and co, being as you just admitted you didn’t think they could win a title before?
I’m not some gloryhunting chump who only likes winning teams. I support the Magic because they’re my team, regardless of whether I think they can win a title. If I just followed teams who were winning, I’d be a Heat fan.
But being a Magic fan doesn’t make me incapable of rationally assessing the teams strengths and weaknesses. I see a problem, I call it.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 23, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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I guess only true fans thought that T-Mac could’ve carried us to a title, or that Darrell Armstrong and Derek Harper was the backcourt to bring a title to Orlando, or that Jeff Turner could be a post presence on the same level of Hakeem and bring home trophy in 1991.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Great response
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Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 23, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Concisely on the point.
We knew from experience that the other team was good for third seed in the East and, with some luck, could have made it to ECF, and beyond. The current team is an unproven commodity for which we are pegging our hopes on just about every thing to turnout for the best including – but not limited to – hoping that our defense would hold up.
I commend your enthusiasm, but you have taken it too far even in choosing your title, as though the old team was hopeless and this team is all that we could have hoped for.
The old team was hopeless
That team was not going to do anything. If you think they were you are as blind as people saying this is an automatic lock. I honestly do not know if this team can win I really don’t. What I do see is better ball movement. A lot more aggression on offense. Defenses lapses yes, but that was more to the fact they are learning the system. I also notice a lot of easy shots that didn’t really fall in. A lot of hitting the rim. Nervousness? Probably. I honestly did not care about the rest of the season with the way the team was playing. I know we gotta play defense, but at some point in time you gotta put the ball in the hoop. We now have more people to put the ball in the hoop.
Carter and Lewis
Were getting just as many shots lipping out and hitting the rim.
At some point in time you have to put the ball in the hoop. At some point in time you have to stop the other guys putting the ball in the hoop. We got better at one, worse at another.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 23, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Defensive lapses from guys who have been known to be terrible defenders their whole careers.
J-Rich and Arenas are not going to magically evolve into good defenders. Even Stan’s coaching and Dwight’s presence has its limits. I just love how Dwight and Stan complain about the D after the Denver game, and we got worse on D.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
To bring some much-needed levity to this thread
I keep chuckling at “balls in your hoop”.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 23, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely well put.
This team is talented to make the ECF w/o a doubt. Not making the ECF would be a huge blow. If they make the ECF this year, they are on the right track to win it all in 2012.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
I'm sporting an ECF or bust mentality myself, because that was my mentality entering the season.
If we take a step back, it’s a failure, regardless of in-season moves. If we lose to Boston or Miami in the ECF, then I’ll be satisfied with a good season, because I figured Boston certainly and Miami possibly would be better than us.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I have to be honest
I enjoyed this blog a lot more during the title run. It seems like we’ve gotten a bunch of debbie downers on here since then. I’m a fan. I believe that means supporting the team. I’ll usually be one of the last guys to ever rip on a player, coach, or GM. For one thing, I opperate under the assumption that those guys know more about basketball than I do. I also believe that I view things from an uninformed position, relative to the professionals. Given those assumptions, I leave it to them to figure it out, and look for the bright spots. I enjoy sports. I think some of the comments displayed on this blog in recent weeks are indicative of folks who are failing to enjoy things. Your mileage may vary.
My 3 yr old's Teacher: Is he yelling white power?
My Wife: No, he's yelling Dwight Howard.
For every debbie downer
There’s a prozac pretender.
Everyone sees things differently. Your view is not more genuine, nor any more entitled to be spoken than anybody else’s.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 24, 2010 5:30 AM EST up reply actions
hey some of us aren't pretending :(
I'm a girl.
HEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 24, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone enjoys everything more when you're successful. What's your point?
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Everyone wants to get back to the kind of winning-cures-all fun of the title run.
Some people think this trade was the way to get there, and others disagree. Neither is a better fan, no matter how far you turn up your nose and call other people bad fans.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 24, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Orlando 86, Boston 78.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 25, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
December 25.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 25, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions

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