Dallas Mavericks 105, Orlando Magic 99
In front of 19,057 fans, the largest home crowd in franchise history, the Orlando Magic dropped their eighth game in nine tries tonight, losing to the Dallas Mavericks by a 105-99 final despite a 26-point, 23-rebound performance from Dwight Howard. Dallas shot lights-out from the perimeter the whole game, going 12-of-26 from three-point range to keep Orlando's runs at bay. But Dallas also got some rare interior offense from its center combination of Tyson Chandler and Brendan Haywood, who combined to shoot 9-of-10 from the floor for 20 points without having any plays called for them. This Magic team, in the second game of its roster overhaul, clearly has a long way to go on both ends of the court, but Orlando's showing this evening encouraged coach Stan Van Gundy. He called it "a good step forward" from the previous night's road loss to the Atlanta Hawks, and cited no fewer than things he saw tonight his team can "build on" in the weeks and months ahead.
Orlando got 40 points and eight three-pointers out of its starting backcourt of J.J. Redick and Jameer Nelson, and Howard turned in a fine offensive performance. At issue? Poor shooting from the complementary players. Newcomers Gilbert Arenas (1-of-6), Jason Richardson (4-of-13 after starting 1-of-9), and Hedo Turkoglu (2-of-11) played tentatively and didn't seem to have their legs under them. Van Gundy said Arenas "especially" is "trying too hard" at the moment, which he believes will change in time: "History tells me that eventually these guys will shoot the ball well."
For Orlando, on what Van Gundy said is equivalent to the second day of training camp, to hang with one of the league's top teams is indeed impressive, and among the nine things he praised was the way his team "fought in the fourth quarter." Nelson also liked what he saw from an effort standpoint, saying, "the last seven [or] eight games before this, a team would make their run [and] we kind of folded, kind of crumbled. We didn't see any of that tonight. Indeed, Dallas opened up a 12-point lead with 4:34 to play, matching its largest advantage of the night. Orlando countered, and a tremendous Richardson three-pointer drew it to within three points with 56.6 seconds to play.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mavericks | 91 | 115.4 | 57.9% | 22.4 | 12.1 | 14.3 |
| Magic | 91 | 108.8 | 50.6% | 14.0 | 24.4 | 14.3 |
| Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average; red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average. | ||||||
In close games like this one, it's easy to point to 50-50 plays, especially ones that happened late, as potential game-changers, regardless of the fact that a point scored in the first minute of the game counts the same as one scored in the last. For the Magic, Turkoglu made two such late plays which robbed them of some momentum, and may make him somewhat of a scapegoat tomorrow morning.
With Orando down 6 and 2:43 to play, Howard picked off a Jason Kidd pass and dished to Turkoglu, who streaked up the court and tried to dunk it. But he short-rimmed the dunk, and came up from the miss begging for a foul call which Howard said after the game he wouldn't even have bought.
On the ensuing Dallas possession, Turkoglu blocked a Nowitzki fadeaway jumper attempt--his signature one, off one foot--and, without four seconds coming off the shot clock, jacked an off-balance trey from the left wing which barely drew iron. A make would have halved the deficit to three with 2:02 remaining, but the better play simply would have been to wait and set up in the halfcourt offense.
Those glaring mistakes aside, Turkoglu played a solid floor game. It's clear he hasn't forgotten that if he simply attacks the basket and floats something up at the rim, Howard can get it for a lob dunk, or at least a deep post catch. He does look a bit like the Turkoglu of old, I have to say. To no one's surprise, Turkoglu led the team in assists (8) and turnovers (4). Further, he played outstanding defense on Nowitzki, limiting the MVP candidate to 17 points on 4-of-13 from the floor. Dallas tried to exploit Turkoglu's well-known deficiencies in low-post defense, but Turkoglu battled Nowitzki gamely and forced him to take some exceptionally tough shots.
The Mavericks played reasonably well overall, but I do think the biggest reason for their win is hot perimeter shooting. As Van Gundy pointed out as one example, Caron Butler made four threes in this game after sinking just 19 in 24 games prior to tonight. By my count, Dallas posted an effective field goal percentage of 53.7 on shots outside the paint. Few teams can sustain that torrid shooting pace even when accounting for paint points, which should illustrate just how white-hot the Mavericks shot for most of the night.
I don't mean to sound overly optimistic, or to take anything away from the Mavericks. Orlando's defense is complicit in this loss, without question. Van Gundy attributed the breakdowns to the fact that the new guys haven't "been together in terms of our system." Yes, while second-year forward Earl Clark shot 3-of-3 for 6 points in limited minutes, his inattentive defense off the ball contributed to Chandler getting dunks on four straight possessions in the second period. Playing Clark at power forward and Bass at center compromised Orlando's defense, which is another reason why I believe it's imperative for Orlando to acquire a veteran backup big man who's a quick study in team defensive schemes. As if there's a team in this league who wouldn't benefit from such a presence.
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so I’m not entirely sold on this team yet. The offense still looks stagnant until late in the 4th quarter and the defense looks lost. Turk continues his poor shooting although he made nice contributions as a passer and guarded Dirk much better than I thought he would. It was nice to see J-Rich drain a couple of 3s at the end, hopefully he gets his shot back. I like Arenas’ role of coming off the bench but he seems to start out games nicely but fade as they approach the end. And Earl Clark, he looks like he can be a stud. Liked what I saw from him, hopefully he brings it every night. I definitely believe there’s progress. Dallas is a good team that beat Miami last night. However, I’m much more concerned about teams like Boston, LA, and San Antonio that could expose our frontcourt depth more. Granted, we’ll be getting back Ryan Anderson soon and Daniel Orton in a month or so but for now, we’ll probably drop our next two against San Antonio and Boston, then have a great chance to get back on track afterward.
Yeah.
If they were going to do it, they should’ve done it the day after the Denver loss, when we had 3 days off for practice before facing a mediocre Philly team. They’re going to be tired for the Spurs game.
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When the new guys start making their shots on a consistent basis, things will be that much better for the Magic
Jason Richardson, Arenas, and Turkoglu, in their two games with the Magic, have combined to score 48 points on 13 of 53 shooting (24.6%), and 6 of 24 three point shooting (25%) for an eFG% of 30.2% and a TS% of 39.4%, thanks to 16 of 18 FT shooting.
All three of them can shoot much better and more efficient than that.
Credit goes to Turk for his 8 assists and good defense on Nowitzki and to J-Rich for his late three pointers that brought the Magic close.
Dallas is just so solid fundamentally. When a team shoots 50% from the field, 46% on threes, 81% from the FT line with a 28/13 assist/turnover ratio and six players in double figures like the Mavericks did against the Magic, that team won’t lose very many games.
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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 21, 2010 11:41 PM EST reply actions
I don't think it's permanent, no. I can't envision Turk starting at the four long-term. SVG said it was only to keep Bass and Howard separate so they couldn't get into simultaneous foul trouble.
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 21, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't want Turk in the 4... maybe against someone Dirk who aren't exactly masses of bulk
but imagine Turk against a Duncan or a Gasol…
I don't think he'd get destroyed by Duncan.
It seems like Hedo can cover PFs that aren’t tremondously physical. Dirk is one, Duncan is another, Bosh maybe as well.
But yeah, him having to cover the more athletic PFs in the league, like Gasol or Griffin or Stat…I’d rather have Bass muscling back against those guys.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 22, 2010 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
No.
The only time he made Hedo look silly was on the first post-up when he spun baseline for an easy lay-up. Besides that, Hedo forced a lot of tough shots, and Nowitzki was 4-13. That said, Dirk is not a normal PF, and Hedo can’t guard someone like Millsap or Boozer or Bosh.
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Hedo did OK against Dirk.
He got a straight one-on-one steal, and made Dirk work very hard for shots in the final minutes.
It’s because Dirk doesn’t have a lot of quickness or size, so he can’t really go around or through Hedo. Normally Dirk can use his length, moves, and unothordox shots to get his points. Hedo is able to counter that particular skill-set better than say, trying to stop Stat or Griffin spin then push inside for a dunk.
Hedo even blocked Dirk once during his patented one-leg fadeaway…which is probably the second most difficult “regular” shot to block in the NBA, next to Kobe’s stepback fadeaway.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 22, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
no dirk shot horrible and hedo played outstanding low post on Josh Smith
All i know is Shard couldnt play d this yaer and he wasnt able to make the switch to SF, This is why we gopt hedo, he has the advatages that Rashard has but has more to bring to the table than Shard, THis is a clear upgrade and i was totally against bringing hedo back but after seeing him again with this team, i get a good feeling about it, you can see the chemisrty between DH and Hedo already forming again
We learned that J-Rich is a clutch shooter
Something we need.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Dec 21, 2010 11:58 PM EST reply actions
hey! earl barron was waived!
pick him up to add the phoenix connection!
honestly though, was a little worried about our choices for back up bigs based on the magics ‘narrowed down’ selections but having battie may be ok since he knows the system and turiaf plays defense well. maybe just hoping for a slightly more balanced (off-def) big…
their D was good
Overpaid Arenas looked lost, they looked good for a back to back games, the team will improve more with a decent back up center but I think won’t be enough to get to the finals in east.
Are Arenas' minutes supposed to increase?
Any reason other than he’s new they’ve been low so far?
Turk too and he played 40 minutes
Starters got a lot of minutes tonight for some reason, everyone else not so much.
I'm with you, Evan.
Losing seven of eight is always tough, but all of our opponents were worthy. Considering the circumstances, we played well. And I’m confident SVG can whip these guys into better defensive shape.
Can we take a moment to reflect on the moronic national media and all the talk on Twitter about firing SVG? Losing to a top-5 team on a back-to-back with four new rotation players and three injuries is not grounds for firing an elite head coach.
Wha?
Who’s suggesting firing Stan? I’m worried he’ll quit!
by eltharion_doa on Dec 22, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
Who gives a damn what people on Twitter think?
They’re about as knowledgeable as the national media.
Well, Turk defended well-ish
5 fouls but held Dirk to 4-13 FG, Jason Richardson and J.J failed though
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
around here we developed such a sound down here
but duplicate it off the steel it can only be found here
Redick had one of his better games offensively
…21 points on 7 of 14 FGs, 4 of 9 on three pointers, and 3 of 3 on FTs.
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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 22, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
J-Rich looked very bad on D.
Clark and Bass looked awful on team D. The PnR D was bad all the way around, Hedo, Jameer, Arenas, J-Rich, pretty much everyone. That was a staple of our success the past few years.
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We started out well, but even in the previous two weeks or so before the trade, that is correct.
I think the Chicago game was the last game we played truly elite D in.
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This was the second time in Stan Van Gundy's tenure that the Magic have shot 100% from the FT line
…they were 12 of 12.
The only other time was this past March, when the Magic were also 12 of 12 against the Clippers.
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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 22, 2010 12:36 AM EST reply actions
Am I the only one who liked what he saw from Turkoglu in this game?
Not the shooting, certainly, but Hedo moved the ball well, he drove and found the open man, and he did an impressive job defending Dirk Nowitzki. Yeah, Dirk still had a great game, but he is what he is. Hedo made nothing easy for him on most possessions, staying in front of him despite some quick moves and always reaching around and aggressively poking at the ball without fouling.
This game was encouraging after the Atlanta debacle. This team isn’t there yet, but there’s some hope they might get there.
Just have to hope the shots come
Turk played Dirk OK, but Nowitzki isn’t exactly a banger. Turk will have to be hidden on the flanks against teams with tougher fours, where his lack of speed and lateral movement will cost him defensively against threes.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 22, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
We might get away with Turk at the 4 against Miami, though
He’ll probably go OK against Bosh.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 22, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
I think Turk did well in this game. That is who he is; consistently inconsistent in shot making and making layups, but consistent as a play-maker. Not to forget that he occasionally jacks up ill-advised shots.
"Not to forget that he occasionally jacks up ill-advised shots."
That only seem to go in when we need it the most at the last point in the game.
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I liked what I saw as well.
Turk is great for ball movement and pushed the pace. Unlike Nelson who continues to walk the ball up court. What I do find disturbing are some of the (newish) commenters on this site. “Turk sucks and is done”. Really!?! The man kept things moving and from a playmaker standpoint he out played Jameer. Also the “Bad time for a trade” comment. Is he implying we should have waited longer or not made a trade at all?
I’m completely sure that we have upgraded in many ways because of those trades. There also will clearly be another move made to acquire a quality big man. We have to give it some time for the love of science. Even Brian Schmitz or Schitz :) of the Sentinel seems to be pressing the panic button. Implying in one part of the article tonight that fans may start calling for Otis’s job. Where’s the logic in all this madness? Just a little time and a little patience and I’m sure we’ll be a better team then we were at the beginning of the season. Believe!!!
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by Matty B on Dec 22, 2010 3:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
From a schedule standpoint
It would have been better to wait until after Christmas, after we got past the little run of elite teams.
That would have taken us past the “trade deadline – 3 months point” though, which is probably why Smith pulled the trigger when he did.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 22, 2010 3:19 AM EST up reply actions
I think it was done at the right time.
He implied that he was using our West Coast swing as a barometer for deciding whether to stick with what we had or make sweeping changes. I don’t fully believe that but it was a good line. He had to be planing and mapping out these moves longer then he’s letting on.
At the moment I’m thrilled with Otis. This is just me being selfish but if he had come to me and said “Which players would you like to get rid of?” I would have said in this order: Lewis, Carter, Gortat and Pietrus. So for me, these trade were something out of my dreams. Merry Christmas to me. It was evident to me all season (and even in the past) that Lewis didn’t give 100 percent. His effort was questioned by Van Gundy as well who had more then one meeting with him about it. Plus I hated constantly hearing “We have to get Lewis more involved” as though it was everyone’s fault but his own that he was struggling.
But I digress. The bonus for me in these trades is that I don’t ever have to stress or rant about Lewis again. He’s gone and his lack of motivation is Washington’s problem now. I hope they do a better job of calling him out on it then we did. We defended him up until the day we shipped him out. That’s it, I officially drop him from memory and as a result will live longer.
I am proud of Otis though. Getting rid of Lewis and Carter was basically him admitting two huge mistakes. Those mistakes being Lewis’s contract and Carter being looked at as the scorer we needed to push us over the top. He bit the bullet and made some positive moves as soon as he felt he was positively ready to pull the trigger. I’m very pleased with the new editions and look forward to seeing what we package together to acquire a quality big man. Something tells me that will be a surprizingly positive move as well.
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No
Now you get to stress about Arenas, Turkoglu and Richardson.
And you get to stress about two of them destroying the franchise for four more years!
by eltharion_doa on Dec 22, 2010 5:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah because obviously Vince and Rashard were flawed, and not the system the Magic is currently playing
This system worked great because it was based on Howard being double teamed. Once the other teams started to guard Dwight single coverage, the system started to fail and continues to fail.
But since the Magic have traded for great go to scorers and off ball players, and great defenders like J Poor, Arenas and Turk, they are going to be OK. Afterall, Dwight was unhappy with the Magic’s defense so obviously the Magic traded for 3 defensive players that don’t need the ball to do stuff.
Oh wait…
You are a man of extremes, and probably on a mission.
You may have been piling up on the negatives before trades so that you can pile up on the positives, afterwards. It doesn’t change the nature of the pile though, which I let you figure out on your own.
Burn.
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A mission? I was displeased with several player and they got traded.
I think I’m a man who’s doubts were justified by these trades. Otis clearly listens to me very closely. I’m sure he does that by scanning over this site for my comments.
By the way, let me know what kind of a mission I could be on. I need a mission.
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Lewis' efforts was never questioned by Van Gundy, and I don't know where did you get that from? Piling up on Lewis after he is gone does not reflect well on you.
Most of Matty B's posts don't reflect well on Matty B.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 22, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Oh you silly goose. I can't help if I'm more informed then most.
See I get my info from more this one site. So sometimes I pick up on things that others don’t. Such as the Lewis/Van Gundy effort talks. Those were twice talked about in the Sentinel. Two articles that I assumed that someone on here would have read. But as it turns out, nobody did. Therefore an ill informed cat like the one above can flat out make an incorrect statement so boldly. Nice work on not getting your info from more then one source.
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It's like I wrote a book on how bad you make yourself look,
and you volunteered to be the Illustrator.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 22, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It was noted on more then once in the Sentinel and on OrlandoMagic.com that Van Gundy met with Lewis to discuss his effort and energy level.
That’s just simple reading. If you’re not reading, you’re not learning. Study up son. It’s a fact.
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It's an absolute fact. Two meeting, regarding his energy and effort level.
Just Lewis and Van Gundy. One was maybe 6 weeks ago the other was maybe 3. Both briefly discussed by Josh Robbins. I wouldn’t just make that up and perhaps you should check your facts and rely on several sources for info rather then just one. I’m assuming that because you didn’t read it on hear that means it didn’t happen. I forgive you.
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by Matty B on Dec 22, 2010 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I something that I read about, on more then one occasion, in more then one location.
I’m simply saying that I read it and I believe it. Especially given the fact that Rashard looked lethargic out there. I usually read the Sentinel every day, Orlandopinstripedpost, OrlandoMagic.com, occasionally OrlandoMagicDaily and even Go Magic’s page.
I guess what I’m saying is, rather then flat out saying “No, Rashard and Van Gundy never discussed that” (as if you’d know) you should either try to look that info up or admit that there’s a chance you missed it. You capable of that? Or are you that stubborn? Anyway, it did happen. It was discussed and I can’t believe I’ve had to have this back and forth about one simple statement. Either look it up or agree to disagree and be gone wit ya.
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I'm too drunk at the moment. But I did manage to type in Van Gundy talk to Rashard Lewis about effort and got several links.
I’m afraid that’s far as I can go at the moment. I have people over, mostly women which may be completely foreign to most of you. But I’ll come back tomorrow after a late breakfast and tell you all about it… oh and I’ll see if I can tell you about the links as well :)
Which really shouldn’t be necessary considering the obvious lack of 100% effort out of Rashard which is one of the main reasons that lead to his trade. But if that’s what you super dweebs require I’ll see if I can find it for you. It is factual. Until then, have fun with your own houses full of women. Good positive thoughts to all and to all a good night. :)
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Get a life.
That is a great point but these guys do have lives. They are the finest commenters that a non Magic affiliated site has ever known.
I love you all despite you’re craving for my downfall. Smooches! :)
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By the way, DJ MagicMark. You are the greatest of the great! A king amongst Kings.
Congratulations and I’m glad you’ve joined in on this. It only further proves that you get 100% of your info from this site alone. Limited in your facts, you still stand above all others in the skill of dickitry.
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The posts you make on this site to make you feel better about yourself by attempting to belittle the community here make me laugh.
You’re a much more fun troll than our dearly departed Trollega, I will give you that.
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I think you are right about the timing as it relates to "trade deadline – 3 months point". But I think the bad trades outweighs any potential advantages.
I can almost talk myself into the PHX trade, although not from a financial standpoint.
The Arenas trade has been and will continue to mystify me. There was absolutely no point to rush the Arenas trade, and every reason to hold off and see if Lewis’ play would improve playing along with Hedo. Lewis didn’t mesh well with Vince, it seemed, and running the PnR with Rashard and Hedo would’ve been a much better thing to try again than trading for a less efficient, less athletic, more expensive, shorter, older, gun-toting version of Brandon Bass.
Oh wait, I forgot, he’s a “good dude”. Thanks for that, Otis.
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I agree 100% as well.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 22, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
rotations will come with practice.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case, 'cause "...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 22, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
I hope so.
We’re hoping that historically bad, not mediocre, defenders will change their stripes this far into their careers. Our PnR defense was terrible again, and our interior rotations with Clark and Bass were atrocious. J-Rich was bad on D in iso situations too.
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Yeah, getting beat by Chandler was just embarrassing
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by funny80sguy on Dec 22, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
It's crazy that Dwight keeps having these monster games that we end up losing.
I’d be so incredibly frustrated if I were him. Luckily, I think Dwight has perspective but there’s only so much a man can take.
I’m really hoping to see something from Arenas soon because I was completely against acquiring him. I really love to be proved wrong in those situations.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
No, it's not
The rest of the team isn’t very good right now.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 22, 2010 5:22 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I would love to be wrong about this too. It'll be my X-mas wish.
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I was there and it was a great atmosphere. A lot of people were into Turk’s 2 shots and good moments. I’m feeling better for the team’s direction, something I hadn’t felt since about 3 weeks ago or so. And players can do the no excuse line, but I still don’t expect a win in the next two with the new team, they got to keep growing the chemistry and making runs and playing hard like that. I think Arenas and J Rich will find themselves in time.
Turk cures all
Despite his poor shooting last night, he still brought a lot to the table. Whenever he was on the floor, the offense never stagnated.
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by funny80sguy on Dec 22, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone has to appreciate how Turk isn't just strolling with the ball up the halfcourt line and then just giving it to Dwight or Bass
with turk in we play with a much greater speed and quickness
like i have said, when VC was on the floor we were stagnant, now are wings are running and slashing, giving us open looks. I cant believe you are not encouraged by what you saw!
Oops, it looks like I should have continued reading before replying to another post earlier
I feel exactly the same about the offense with Turk in there.
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by funny80sguy on Dec 22, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I'll be encouraged
When we play any screen and roll defense.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 23, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
In the NBA, no one player can stop some the best offensive players one on one.
With that said, no one can start panicking about the defensive capabilities of the new players we’ve gotten with the exception of Turk, and when Turk was on the team we were a very good defensive team, he manages to give really good defense when we need it. Don’t forget he got that block on Kobe in game 2 of the Finals….But as for J Rich and Arenas, they have not played for teams known for defense or having a good defensive system….Golden State-Phoenix….Golden State-Washington…but what do we know, that they have the athleticism to be good on the defensive end, and they play with high energy to try get things like steals.
So again chill, cause apart from our hole at center right now, you’re saying J Rich can’t be as active as Vince on that end, Arenas can’t be as active as Jameer. Let’s start getting on honest and being real.
OK
Really and honestly, Arenas, Turk and Richardson are bad defenders.
That’s real. That’s honest. Anything else is speculation and wishful thinking.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 23, 2010 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
My point is that automatic assumption that our defense is somehow going to be the worst its ever been, based upon the addition of JRich, Arenas, and Turk is ill concieved to me.
I’m looking at team defense as being the most important factor, so am I saying “Hedo is a good defensive player since he blocked Kobe once”….No. The point I"m making that, our defense when Hedo was here was one of the best in the league, despite how consistent it was man to man on a game to game basis. I used to Kobe reference as an example of him being honed in on the defense end when we really need, like you saw a little of towards the end with Dirk.
As for JRich and Arenas, its not statistical histories do not count, but depending on the team system it can be skewed in relation to the individuals statistics. Again the point being, that for anybody to assume that our defense will not be as good or worst than that of previous years with SVG, would have to assume these players have a very low Basketball IQ, poor athleticism, and only care about getting their offense…..I highly doubt those three things. They want to win a championship, they know the type of coach, and the importance the other elite teams pay to defense. And that sums up my point, lol
wow.....lol
I tell you what in 2 weeks we’ll get a better picture of our team defense, and we’ll see if Hedo just doesn’t have the athleticism for us to have a very good defensive team and Arenas is the only scorer to come back from knee surgery, who is no capable of doing not even 80% of what he use to. I doubt all of those things, but I look forward to reactions if a defensive gets back to previous seasons lol.
Hedo
Wasn’t guarding anyone good when he was here. Lee and Pietrus guarded the main opposition wings.
We no longer have Pietrus and Lee to guard opposition wings, you may have noticed. Or maybe you haven’t.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 23, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I'm loving this team
If they new guys pick up the defensive rotations quickly, this is going to be a fun team to watch. Watching Turk push the pace was great because sometimes, Nelson seems to forget to try to force the action. And if Nelson didn’t, then no one else on the team would.
Was Earl Clark a Dirk stopper? I don’t think Dirk scored on him when Clark was covering him. Clark could be something, but he has to go to the Brandon Bass school of defensive rotations. 4 dunks in row? Unacceptable.
Turk just gets “it” on how to play with Dwight. Not sure Carter or Lewis ever did. Turk and Dwight have some type of chemistry together.
Arenas is about to blow up. He will be our Jason Terry, or old school Ginobili. He seems hesistant and trying to force the action at the same time. But when he gets it, the offense will not skip a beat.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
Yeah, let's hope Arenas can turn into Jason Terry.
Except, a $111 million version of Jason Terry.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07

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