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Povtak: Orlando Magic Interested in Tony Battie, Ronny Turiaf as Backup Centers for Dwight Howard

The Orlando Magic traded Marcin Gortat, arguably the league's best backup center, to the Phoenix Suns on Wednesday as part of their early-season roster makeover. The deal netted them two key rotation cogs in Jason Richardson and Hedo Turkoglu, but left them with Malik Allen as the only healthy backup to Dwight Howard. Thus, it should come as no surprise that the Magic are working quickly to fill Gortat's void, scouring the trade market for more capable reserve centers. According to sources Tim Povtak cites in an NBA FanHouse report published Monday afternoon, Tony Battie of the Philadelphia 76ers and Ronny Turiaf of the New York Knicks rank among Orlando's top targets.

Battie is no stranger to the Magic, having appeared in 306 games over four seasons with the club, a tenure which ended on Draft Night 2009 when Orlando packaged him with Rafer Alston and Courtney Lee in a trade with the New Jersey Nets. Shortly thereafter, Howard expressed sadness about losing Battie, writing he "was like my older brother here in Orlando" in a blog entry. Though averaging only 10.4 minutes per game for Philadelphia this season, the 12-year veteran is making 51.1 percent of his shot attempts and is on pace to establish a new career-best in per-minute rebounding. His pick-and-pop skills make him a decent fifth option offensively, and he's a capable, willing low-post defender.

Turiaf, seven years Battie's junior, has more upside. His high energy and boundless enthusiasm make him a fan-favorite wherever he goes, but understand he's more than simply a hustle player: he's productive, too, converting 59.3 percent of his extremely limited shot attempts--he only uses 9.7 percent of the Knicks' possessions when on the court--and blocking a shot every 14.7 minutes. Further, he's an exceptional passer out of the high post and consistently ranks among the league's best big men in that area.

Before Gortat developed into Howard's full-time backup, Orlando deployed Adonal Foyle as its backup center. In 9.4 minutes per game during the 2007/08 season, Foyle averaged 1.9 points, 2.5 rebounds, and 0.5 blocks and shot 45.8 percent from the floor despite hardly attempting anything outside the immediate basket area. Even at 32, though, Foyle ranked among the league's best low-post defenders.

A player of Foyle's relative caliber is probably about the best Orlando can hope for given its meager trade assets. Povtak says the Magic have tried packaging point guard Chris Duhon and swingman Quentin Richardson, whose contracts are worth a combined $24.4 million over the next four seasons, in order to land a center, but that package seems unlikely to yield much of a return, given how mightily both players have struggled this season.

Whether it's Battie, Turiaf, or someone else entirely, it's clear that Orlando intends to bring in another big body, and given how unproductive Allen has been since joining the playing rotation on a regular basis, it needs to address this issue sooner rather than later.

Poll
Which backup center mentioned in Tim Povtak's report best suits the Orlando Magic?
Tony Battie
249 votes
Ronny Turiaf
577 votes
I don't like either option
168 votes

994 votes | Poll has closed

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Any way to

Trade the 2013 pick into Anthony Randolph? Or even Jayson Williams?

by Mateo9399 on Dec 21, 2010 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

Either seems like an acceptable option.

I’m not sure why people think that the Magic need anything more than an compotent big to back up Howard. It’s time Howard started facing real conequences for his foul trouble. He OK’d this trade, so the onus is on him to be more disiplined and make it so whoever is backing him up doesn’t have to play a lot of minutes.

Battie would probably fit in more quickly, and would add some size being 6’-11"/240. Turiaf doesn’t actually add any “size” being same height and lighter than Allen (though he would be stronger/younger), but his energy seems like it would be more useful as a bench player, as it could possibly jump start the other players on the floor when Howard it out.

Either would be better than Allen, and really that’s all they are looking for. Get someone 6’-10"+ who can be compotent for 10-15 mins a night at C, and maybe be 3rd string PF if need be. Both of these guys could play that role.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 21, 2010 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

Turiaf is an excellent passer and shot blocker.

Having a passing big in that second unit would give us a really nice advantage over most teams. He’s also a great long-term piece as he is only turning 28. Curious what the Knicks could possibly want that we’d be willing to give away for him.

by Hoop Dreams on Dec 21, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice! We are trying to use the only decent perimeter defender which we have to get one average big.

How many centers BOS and MIA (now) have? We should be fine with finding one big to play limited minutes behind Dwight since he has supposedly approved the trades! Wake up! Who says that he has approved the trades? Did Dwight say anything except lukewarm statements, as he was expected to do?

by Matt1325 on Dec 21, 2010 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

" Povtak says the Magic have tried packaging point guard Chris Duhon and swingman Quentin Richardson"

Good lord I almost fell over in excitement just reading that possibility. Hopefully we CONTINUE to explore such an option.

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by gatorboi352 on Dec 21, 2010 8:43 AM EST reply actions  

Who would back up Turk in the 3 spot then?

Earl Clark? Unless he shows some serious improvement, and quick, I wouldn’t want to move Q without getting a decent SF in return. Right now Q is the Magic’s best perimeter defender.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 21, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Right now that's about all he's doing

Matt Barnes is looking like the one we should have kept there :(

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by gatorboi352 on Dec 21, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Two guys the Knicks were more than happy to get rid of?

I guess it’s possible. We brought back Turk, but we also go something we wanted. I don’t see why the Knicks would want their old players back unless they got somebody else who they really wanted in the deal.

by Hoop Dreams on Dec 21, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Otis Smith: “Yo Donnie, can we have Turiaf? We’ll give you…erm…Duhon and….ahh….Richardson.”
Donnie Walsh: “Jason?”
OS: “Ahahaha. No, I meant Q.”
DW: “lol!”
{hangs up}
OS: :-(
Tim Povtak: “Yo Otis, I need some stupid premise to base an article around. You doing any trades?”
OS: “Why yes, Tim. Just now I was talking to Donnie Walse about trading for Ronnie Turiaf!”
TP: “Otis, you’re a genius! Let me just treat this nonsense as an entirely serious and realistic proposition and write an idiotic column about it. Man you make this job easy. Cheers bro!”

by eltharion_doa on Dec 21, 2010 9:20 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

hahahaha

Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by MoveThoseChains on Dec 21, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That's how Otis rolls!

Thank you Otis for punching Dwight's ticket out of Orlando.

by GameManager on Dec 21, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like we'd overwhelming like Turiaf,

so knowing Otis, we should get ready for Battie.

I also have it, on my own authority, that I am an expert on this stuff.

by Redfield on Dec 21, 2010 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

We are out of chips to bargain with.

We just need somenbodies. I would rather sign like three min vet guys. Play them each like two or three minutes. I keep saying it, we are gonna have to develop Orton. I would rather struggle a few games with him then get some old guy. Someone tell Malik to not shoot 18’ jumpers. Everytime he shoots one it is the ugliest shot ever.

by Mateo9399 on Dec 21, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

Can Earl Clark play some four to be able to slide Bass to the five??? Just wondering. You gotta play with what you got. If life gives you lemons you can’t turn it into Orange juice. Go make some damn lemonade.

by Mateo9399 on Dec 21, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Clark has to prove himself.

He was underwelming in PHX, and is really a bit like Turk in the sense that he’s a tall SF and not a PF. Maybe he can give it a shot while Anderson is hurt, but beyond that, he doesn’t have the skill (yet) to go up against other PFs. His current game is about overwhelming opposing SFs with his size and physical prowess – which hasn’t proved all that effective at the NBA level.

I’m with you on Orton though. If Orton can prove himself to get 5-7 min. a game, you could split the time between him and Allen at the 5. It’d be more desirable to have a true backup big, but if Orton (who has talent, but is raw) can get to that point, he’ll only get better by getting more minutes. At some point, hopefully, he’ll develop to the true backup and Allens mins can fade to garbage time at C and PF or when someone’s hurt.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 21, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Preference is only a part of a trade deal.

I don’t think the Magic can afford Turiaf, no matter how much Otis would like him over Battie. Also, trading Q would get rid of our best perimeter defender and leave a brand new hole at SF, with no one to really back up Hedo.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 21, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I was just sort-of going for the whole dark-comedy kind of thing.

I also have it, on my own authority, that I am an expert on this stuff.

by Redfield on Dec 21, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone gone to trade machine to see how hard it would be to get Nesterovic?

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by KingJafi on Dec 21, 2010 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you

I couldn’t figure out what the heck had happened to Nesterovic.

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by The Dark on Dec 22, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Playing in Croatia

With KK Zagreb

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by The Dark on Dec 21, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Is this even a question?

Turiaf is easily the one we want. I agree that this is probably just idle trade “talk.”

What can we realistically do to get him?

by Hoop Dreams on Dec 21, 2010 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

Not much

Turiaf was taken by the Knicks to be their starting C, but he got injured so they moved Amar’e there and he’s playing so well Turiaf can’t get back into the starting five.

They really like him – he’s a very solid defender and a decent shooter around the basket. Doesn’t rebound enough which is his biggest weakness.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 22, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Who in the blue hell voted so many times for Ronny Turiaf?

His family?

They got a big 3, but we got a big 12.

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by Wasabi Steak on Dec 21, 2010 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

"They got a big 3, but we got a big 12."

If only that were enough……

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by gatorboi352 on Dec 21, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Turiaf is a ton better than Battie.

It’s not even close. The poll reflects that.

by Hoop Dreams on Dec 21, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Turiaf

Love his energy.

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by KD1 on Dec 21, 2010 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

Turiaf is easily the answer.

But if we are able to make that deal then I will lose my mind at the absurdity because there is no way the Knicks should make that deal.

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by cgsimone on Dec 21, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

And even if Sheed unretired...

he’d rather be buried on Boston’s depth chart than be Dwight’s primary backup on a sinking ship.

Thank you Otis for punching Dwight's ticket out of Orlando.

by GameManager on Dec 21, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Sinking ship

Hyperbole at it’s finest ladies and gentlemen.

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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 21, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

that's for sure

He has the door open in boston anytime he wants to comeback. And he would like another ring for sure (with the Cs)

by greenSanDiego on Dec 21, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely

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by funny80sguy on Dec 21, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And now we get back what so many media outlets considered....

“the missing piece we should’ve kept!”

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by GameManager on Dec 21, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering if anyone was going to notice this

I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades

by EnnBee on Dec 21, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

aint no maybe about it

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by AB's triple double on Dec 21, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

A question I'd like to see Otis answer...Evan, can you help me out on that?

The Magic saved $4.5 million for this season when they did these deals, which means that they could technically spend up to $2.25 million on a free agent (luxury tax and all). I am curious of Otis would be to simply pay $1-2 million for a one-year FA straight up – assuming Orton will be ready to back up Howard next year), instead of looking for a trade. They have 14 members on their roster, so they can still add one more without moving anyone.

If Otis was willing to do that…what sort of FAs in that price range that are out there?

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 21, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

*let me add to that first sentence...

The Magic saved $4.5 million for this season when they did these deals, which means that they could technically spend up to $2.25 million on a free agent (luxury tax and all) [and still be financially where they were originally].

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 21, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Because the Magic are still [really really really really really] over the salary cap, they can only offer minimum contracts.

The only place those savings are going is back in DeVos’s pocket.

Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by MoveThoseChains on Dec 21, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh good catch, I forgot the Magic never used it.

Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by MoveThoseChains on Dec 21, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

So they could use the BAE, and sign a FA for $1.6-2 million...right?

Is there anyone out there on the market that would be worth going after in that way? And would Otis be willing to add another play onto the roster without also getting rid of someone?

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 21, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Oye...ok.

So looking up the available FA field, there’s pretty slim pickings. And really, the Magic have so little to offer in trade value, now.

I say screw it. In a week, Anderson will kick Allen out of the PF rotation (hopefully), and if Orton’s knee recovers to the point that he can eat up a couple minutes of time at C, and as he (again, hopefully) improves, Allen fades into the DNP-CD zone.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 21, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

There's not much difference

Between the BAE and a 10 year vet’s minimum, really.

Orlando could offer the BAE to someone in Europe to get them over I suppose.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 22, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

No Battie. Please!

This team could contend with the right big. Turiaf is that guy. He would be perfect. I think the magic should shop JJ. I like JJ but he has a lot of value and is also pretty expensive considering he really won’t play much now.

If you get Turiaf here he could play next to Howard against the Celrics and play next to Bass when Howard is sitting. These are both very attractive scenarios. Batman is not. He is not a guy who will make a difference on the court like Turiaf. That is what we need to truly improve the defense.

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by DOT COM on Dec 21, 2010 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed but...

JJ has a right to veto any trades because the Magic matched his offer from the Bulls. If the Magic resign J. Rich, then I can see him accepting a trade anywhere he would start as he would clearly not do so here. However, J. Rich could be gone next year, and in that case, JJ could start or, at worst, backup GA if he shifted over to SG again. Until the Magic indicate who the SG of the future is, by all accounts, JJ would rather stay in Orlando on a winning team in a city he likes then take just any starting job. Not sure there is a starting job on a contending team available, save for the Bulls, but the Magic would have to work a 3 team trade to get him to the Bulls because of the restricted offer sheet from the Bulls.

by dukenilnil on Dec 21, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Redick would go the Knicks

He’s start there over Landry Fields and the Knicks are a playoff team on the up. It’s a good fit for him.

The Trade Machine says a Redick for Turiaf trade doesn’t work, but it’s wrong because Redick’s a Base Year Compensation player.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 22, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't work b/c Redick is BYC and both teams are over the cap.

Which means Redick’s value is $7.25M for the Knicks (/- 25% +/- $100K), but ORL can only take back $3.625M (/- 25% +/- $100K). Knicks have to send out more to match salaries, but Orlando can’t take that much back. Need a third team.

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by magicfaninTN on Dec 22, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

True

Was only thinking about it from the Magic’s perspective.

The Knicks need to send $2m or so to someone under the cap to make the numbers work for them. Who’s under the cap? Maybe the Timberwolves could take Roger Mason and Toney Douglas and cash and then buy them out.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 22, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Douglas is their backup PG.

If they’re going to so easily dump him, Duhon makes more sense for them. Walker a more likely salary dump….but NYK is holding pieces right now for Carmelo sweepstakes.

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by magicfaninTN on Dec 22, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

No way Redick starts over Landry Fields

Kid is playing extremely well, they wouldn’t want to stunt his growth by playing him less minutes, imo.

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 22, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Options

I’d take Battie for a 2nd rnd pick from PHI for depth (he’s > Allen, imo) if they’d do the deal. AND, I’d keep looking for another/better option. Until Orton is healthy enough to hold an active roster spot, we can’t count on him.

Re: wing defense, I liked the idea of trading Duhon +$3M to Milwaukee for M’bah a Moute (I’d throw in Clark, too, if that’s what it took) since they lost Jennings for over a month. (Can’t remember the source, but I think it was Kevin Pelton’s tweet, but might have been Brad Doolittle.) MaM’s a top-flight defender, though provides very little on the offensive end. Matches up well versus LeBron.

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by magicfaninTN on Dec 21, 2010 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

"Until Orton is healthy enough to hold an active roster spot, we can’t count on him."

Wrong. We can’t count on him period. Picking him in the draft was the only move worse than Fran Vazquez. I watch SEC basketball religiously, and dude is Gar. Bage.

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by gatorboi352 on Dec 21, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Scott Skiles send Mbah a Moute a Valentine 365 days a year.

Don’t think they want to trade him for Duhon. Also, Mbah a Moute is not a center. We could use him, but he won’t fill our biggest hole.

by Hoop Dreams on Dec 22, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Here we go again...

It’s “Let’s trade JJ for… WHATEVER” time again! Let the good-Ol trading machine do the THINKING for us …

Let’s forget that JJ just had a 29-point game two days ago; that just yesterday came STRONG from the bench (It’s a SHAME that the Coach didn’t care to use him in the 4th Qt); ot that he’s been one of the most consistent Magic players, second only to Howard for the past three weeks.

Yes… let’s CONVENIENTLY forget that he’s really our go-to guy from the bench, especially now that we having NO offense at all. Let’s do this “trade” and really make Otis LOOK like the fool he’s NOT!

No… we DON’T move JJ, for NOTHING! I would rather move Jameer “too-small-shoot-first” Nelson in a deal with Duhon, or Anderson. THAT would get us something really good to complement our new additions. Let’s talk about THAT trade. And, please spare me the Howard-won’t-have-it line… As I stated before; let Otis explain to Dwight that it’s all-or-nothing for the Championship… and Nelson has to go! With the firepower the Magic have, we NEED a point guard who averages 10 assists/game, while making only 1, or 2 turnovers. Someone who will get Howard the ball… when he’s open!

That’s it… let’s get REAL and stop this JJ trade non-sense.

by manny55 on Dec 21, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Ok...let's get "REAL"!

The only two PGs in the league that are averaging more than 10 assists per game are Rondo (13.8) and Nash (10.3). If you are willing to include rounding up, you can add two more to that list, Williams (9.7) and Paul (9.7). Everyone else is 9 or below.

So, what trade package would you offer those teams in order to get Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash, Deron Williams, or Chris Paul to Orlando, with the peices they current have to offer?

BTW, none of those 4 have the TO-rate you’re looking for, either. Paul is the closest, averaging 2.5 TOs per game. Nash is 3.6, Williams is 3.2, and Rondo is 4.2! So I guess none of these 4 would fit your requirements, anyways.

As annoying as the “trade JJ” movement is, and it is, please don’t try to jump the shark in other ways by throwing out stats that sound nice, but are barely feasible in this league, much less in a player the Magic have the ability to trade for.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 21, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you

I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades

by EnnBee on Dec 21, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Realistically

Redick’s one of the few genuinely attractive pieces we have left, and it’s easy to see how he’ll get buried in a backcourt rotation of Nelson, Arenas, 2 Richardsons and Turk.

I’d like to see him stay, but I just don’t think that’s particularly realistic if we want to make a move to get a genuine big in rather than just a warm body.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 22, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL.

Your use of CAPS makes me laugh every time.

I also have it, on my own authority, that I am an expert on this stuff.

by Redfield on Dec 21, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

JJ is base year, would have to approve any trade and only counts for 1/2 of his salary for matching purposes.

He is the worst tradeable asset we have, and none of the new guys can be traded until mid-February

by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 21, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

But because we traded before 12/24, they all CAN be traded this year. That could be important down the line.

I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades

by EnnBee on Dec 21, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually wasn't commenting on the post. I didn't read it. It's the use of caps.

For some reason, it truly strikes my funny bone. I guess because I “hear” the script in my head, so there is this GUY talking to me who OCCASSIONALLY and for no discernable reason YELLS a word.

I know it is for emphasis, but it still cracks me up. I shan’t mention it again. I’ll just laugh in solitude.

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by Redfield on Dec 21, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you figure "the worst"?

A team only has to give up $4m in salary to get a sharp shooting guard who can start or provide instant offense off the bench, who has a very tradeable contract, who’s a proven team player, who hasn’t complained about playing time since his second year, who comes with a big fan base for merch.

He’s an incredibly rare asset for a contending team. He won’t be popular with teams looking to dump salary, no, but for a contender or a team trying to get there, he’s perfect.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 22, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Suns Just released Earl Barron.

Can probably be scooped up for cheap (i.e. part of the BAE) and w/o having to trade away RA, Q, or JJ. I think he should definitely be added to the discussion. As most have mentioned already, obviously we’d love to have Turiaf, but realistically he isn’t an option and Barron is serviceable.

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 21, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmmm.

Good starting point.

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by magicfaninTN on Dec 21, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yea just saw that

he’s the kinda guy were lookin for
he put up like 17 and 18 against the celtics last year

by era2008 on Dec 21, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Aside from shooting percentage (23%?)...

The numbers he put up in his one month with the Suns weren’t THAT different from what Gortat gives: 3 points and 3.3 rebounds in 15 minutes. He’s clearly not Gortat, but he is 7’/250#.

I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades

by EnnBee on Dec 21, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He would work.

7-ft tall, 250 pounds, 29 yrs old.

I think his stats this year are curious. Has he had an injury recently? It appears that he plays better when he gets more minutes…maybe?

Last year was his best year, shooting 44% while playing 30+ min for the Knicks. Averaged 11 ppg. But this year his stats dropped like a rock. Could be the reduction in playing time, an injury, or the difficulty of getting his size down the floor in transition with the high-tempo PHX offense?

Obviously the Magic would want to scout a bit…but he’s an unrestricted free agent who was only making $778k this year in PHX.

One has to wonder…did Otis try to include him in the trade? If the Suns were planning to release Barron when they got Gortat, I don’t know why Otis wouldn’t have asked for him to be included – thus negating the loss of a backup C.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 21, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No idea about the trade

But for performance, he was only signed in mid-November when Lopez was hurt, so he wasn’t really “in the system” from the get go. As a stop-gap measure, it’s not hard to see why he didn’t do too well in just 12 games he played (including 6 starts).

I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades

by EnnBee on Dec 21, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That explains why he wasn't in the trade; he had to be with the team at least 90 days before he would be eligible

Maybe there is a gentleman’s agreement on the table, and the Magic will pick him up on waivers.

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by funny80sguy on Dec 21, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't believe I didn't think about the 90 days thing

Could be an “agreement” of some sort. Interesting thought.

I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades

by EnnBee on Dec 21, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Karl Malone

Because the scoring record is very close.

by pcnyc on Dec 21, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

Additional Trade Note

This doesn’t really address the pressing need of a backup center right now, but I’ve seen several people here and in the media why Otis made both of these trades right now. They wonder why you don’t make one and trade and see what happens, etc.

However, by making the trade on December 18th like we did, all of the new players are eligible to be traded by the Magic on February 18th – 6 days before the February 24th trade deadline.

So along with having a lot more season to work together before the playoffs, it means that if things clearly aren’t working and/or there is a chance to get someone like Carmelo the Magic could package anyone on the roster (including the new guys like JRich) in a trade. Seems like a wise move to perhaps back pedal if things go awry.

I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades

by EnnBee on Dec 21, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Wasn't aware of that.

Thanks for the info. Once we get a backup Center, I don’t really see any other trades though.

by GameManager on Dec 21, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't either

But I like that the option is there if the need arises for whatever reason. Always good to have the chance to get better if it doesn’t cost you too much.

I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades

by EnnBee on Dec 21, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Turiaf

Battie doesn’t interest me at all. Plus, I love Ronny!

by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Dec 21, 2010 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

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