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Backup Center Solutions

With the loss of backup center Marcin Gortat the Orlando Magic are left with a void in the rotation. This is not a major problem since a backup center will usually only plays 10 minutes a game. The only time it would become an issue is when Dwight Howard gets himself into foul trouble. You would be relying on said player to play up to 20 minutes that game. There has been talk of playing Bass as the backup center with some sprinkling in of Malik Allen.

I just do not see that as a wise move considering Bass is listed at 6'6 and Malik is well... terrible. So I have compiled a short wish list of possible targets that can be had on the cheap. I'm not including players on contending teams since a smart GM would not deal with its main competition.

In no particular order

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Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons

Season Stats: 3.6 ppg, 7.5 rpg, .96 bpg, at 24 mpg

Contract: 10/11 $2,000,000 11/12 $2,250,000

Analysis: Wallace cant do much anything on the offensive end but still has his uses. His shot blocking went with his athleticism but he still rebounds pretty well. In all honesty that is the only thing I want the backup center to do.The Magic will have enough trouble finding shots for these new Magic players even on the the second unit. His contract is basically nothing. The problem I see is in actually getting Detroit to deal him. He starts for them when healthy. At some point Detroit will need to forgo the rest of the season and go with their youth movement. My feeling he may become available right before the trade deadline.

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Chris Wilcox, Detroit Pistons

Season Stats: N/A (He's only played in 8 games) Career Stats: 8.9 ppg, 5 rpg, .04 bpg, 20 mpg

Contract: 10/11 $3,000,000

Analysis: Wilcox has found himself out of the Detroit Pistons rotation this year which is why his season stats arent impressive. He has recently snuck his way back in as the backup center. The guy is a PF at heart and looks for his shot as such. This in  itself is undesirable for this team but he does have a nice FG% on his career. He is not a great rebounder by any means but he has the size and athleticism to defend the position.

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David Anderson, New Orleans Hornets

Season Stats: 3.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, .18 bpg, 10 mpg

Contract: 10/11 $2,500,000 11/12 $2,270,000 Team Option

Analysis: David Anderson is the prototypical Euro-center. The Houston Rockets brought him over the pond last season when Yao Ming went down early in the year. He ends up on New Orleans where he's behind Emeka Okafor, David West and Jason Smith in the rotation. I would rather have Jason Smith than him since he is younger, taller and more physical but NO would be stupid to trade him. Anderson does have some nice qualities of his own however. teams have to respect his range and seems to be an ideal fit in a pick and roll scheme. Bass would more than likely have to defend the opposing teams center when David is on the court. Will he be  force in the middle? Probably not. Can he defend? Not that I've seen. Will he fit in our offense? Yes

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Darius Songaila, Philadelphia 76'ers

Season Stats: N/A (see Wilcox) Career Stats: 7.4 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 18 mpg

Contract: 10/11 $4,818,000

Most Magic fans will recognize this guy as the annoying white guy on the Washington Wizards. Songaila played for New Orleans last year and pretty much averaged his career numbers of 7 pts 3 rebounds in 18 mpg. So the fact that he is consistent is a positive. We know what we'd be getting. He is a little bulkier that his height and weight suggest which leads me to believe he can hold his own on the block. His contract is a little bit pricier than the other players listed so it may take 1 or 2 guys with a 2nd rd. pick to obtain his services. In any case he woud be a better option than Malik Allen at this point and he knows this division.

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i agree on the Chris Wilcox post

Here is what i linked on the Orlandosentinel prior to reading this here

A very reliable option to aid the front court its a safe option is Chris Duhon and maybe a second round pic to Detroit for Chris Wilcox, he is a legitimate 6 10 at 235 lbs a true banger averaging 4.5 ppg and 3 rpg salarys work perfectly

another option is Daniel Orton to Bobcats for Kwame Brown= 6 11 4.8ppg 4.50 rpg

Earl Clark to Indiana for Solomon Jones= 6 10 4.5ppg 3.10 rpg

Chris Duhon to New Jersey for Johan Petro = 7 0 2.6 ppg 2.30 rpg

Chris Duhon to Ny for Timofey Mazgov (lol no way it happens but ok) 2.4 ppg 2.10 rpg

Chris Duhon to Warriors for Brandan Wright 6 10 5.3ppg 2.80 rpg (with Otis good relationship with Golden State this seems real realistic)

All in all a bunch of realistic options out there for low cost, and just to throw this out there a month ago there was a report out that Fran Vasques was waiting for a contract from the Magic to decide if he was going to sign with the Magic or stay in Barsolona or wutever so now that Gortat is gone looks as if Fran Vazques wanted to come he would def have a spot on the team

there were other options of course however i didnt feel like sitting there writing them all down, point being there are a lot of real realistic trades that could come at a low cost for a trade with a reliable reward for a back up big man

by saywut on Dec 19, 2010 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

What about Jason Thompson?

Magic could trade Chris Duhon for Jason Thompson straight up. Or maybe the Magic could try to get Jason Thompson and Carl Landry for Duhon, Orton, and Ryan Anderson.

by Pig Wizard on Dec 19, 2010 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

Never in a million years.

I'm a dude!

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by GameManager on Dec 19, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

More...

Hasheem Thabeet, Mareese Speights, Kurt Thomas, Kyrylo Fesenko (I hate this kid, but he’s an option, with Memo back), Desagana Diop, Jamaal Magloire/Joel Anthony/Erick Dampier, Hilton Armstrong, Sam Dalembert, Joel Pryzbilla, etc…

by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Dec 20, 2010 12:38 AM EST reply actions  

True

I was thinking we could’ve gotten Frye in the Phoenix trade as well. He’d be a great fit here.

by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Dec 20, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Frye is just an overpriced Ryan Anderson in my book

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 20, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

We need a guy who can protect the rim.

Frye cannot protect his lunch when slashers come calling. He’s too thin to do anything against bruisers.

by Hoop Dreams on Dec 22, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

my top choices

pryzbilla, birdman, ben wallace, kurt thomas, or jeff foster

Dalembert would be nice but i think hes gettin paid too much money

by jiggadpg00 on Dec 20, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeff Foster is another excellent bargain choice.

He’s a real lunch pail guy who will tighten up your defense. Winning player.

by Hoop Dreams on Dec 22, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Charlotte is a good place to look

with Mohammed, Brown, and Diop. Any of the 3 would do but only if they just took Duhon back. Duhon seems to be a Larry Brown type of PG so I think they would be one of the only teams that would want him.

"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.

by L Magico on Dec 20, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

David Anderson plays zero defense

And he doesn’t rebound. He’s not just a typical Euro-center – he’s soft ever FOR a Euro center.

Nice offensive game, though.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 20, 2010 1:00 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah I know

the only reason I listed him is because of that fact. he has a decent mid range game but can also stretch out to 3 point land (unlike Bass)

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 20, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

He's in the bottom pile as far as big Aussie ballers go

I don’t even know why he’s playing overseas, he’d get slaughtered back here in Australia

by RL Magic on Dec 20, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't see

Trading away Riddick, Richardson, or Anderson for a backup center. This team will go from quality depth being a strong area to a major weakness if that happens. I can see a trade involving Duhon , Clark, Orton, and/or Allen for a serviceable big. What about that guy from Michigan state (Davis??) who played for us in the Summer league?

by Jimmys on Dec 20, 2010 3:42 AM EST reply actions  

It's pretty unlikely anybody wants any of those guys, though

We may be able to package one or some of them with one of our assets – say, Anderson and Duhon for a decent $4m PF/C.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 20, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be a bad deal.

Anderson is 6’-10" / 240lb, and has played at the C position before. He can be a “decent” backup at the 5 for limited minutes, while still being a young and talented PF.

Including Anderson in a trade for another big man – even if they are better than Anderson “right now” – to play C/PF would leave the Magic with the same problem they have now…Allen having to play C or PF for large amounts of minutes. That’s not a good plan.

Duhon, J-Will, Orton, Clark. Those are your chips, without leaving a new deficency somewhere else. My hope is that they can get Orton up a bit, then split the 12 min. of backup time for Howard between Orton and Allen, with Bass/Anderson playing cleanup only if needed. Try that out for a few weeks, and only if it’s causing major issues, then look at another move.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 20, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Nobody wants any of those guys, man

You have to give something to get something in the NBA.

And I’m not advocating trading Anderson, merely pointing out that’s the reality Orlando face now that we’ve loaded up on wings.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 20, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying people want them.

I’m merely pointing out that those are the guys that the Magic can trade without creating a hole somewhere else. It’s true that a hole at SG or SF wouldn’t be as bad to patch in-game as one at C, given the current makeup of the team, but that doesn’t mean you’re not creating one.

I wasn’t assuming that you were advocating for an Anderson trade, and you should stop assuming I believe that some team is begging for Duhon and Allen. I’m merely pointing out the reality of the situation, as well.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 20, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Players aren't chips

If nobody wants them. They’re nothings.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 21, 2010 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Ben Wallace...but I wouldn't think the Magic can get him.

Having Arenas, JJ, Q-Rich, and Anderson on the second unit lends the Magic the ability to try and find a backup center that doesn’t really need to be an offensive threat. Wallace can hold the paint better than anyone else on that list, and when Howard is sitting, that’s the most important thing – someone who can keep teams from getting easy layups.

But the Magic’s chips really come down to Duhon, Allen, J-Will, Orton, and Clark. That’s if they want to keep the core they just built in tact (that’s a curious “if” as well). I don’t think the Pistons will take some combination of that for Wallace, but I also think that there’s got to be a 3rd string center somewhere in the league that could be bought for that.

Really though, this is such a huge change that I hope they hold off from moving for a backup center for a few weeks at least. See how these guys play together, and what exactly you need in a backup center. More than that…I think the training staff should be going to Orton and really push him to see if they can get him into the rotation to split minutes with Allen behind Howard.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 20, 2010 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

I think you're dreaming

Duhon, Clark and Allen have almost no value – Allen was a FA with one team interested in him, Clark has been shopped for 8 months without anyone having any interest and Duhon’s absolutely destroyed his trade value with his woeful play.

Orton isn’t going to get a solid big man by himself.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 20, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you might have trouble reading.

“But the Magic’s chips really come down to Duhon, Allen, J-Will, Orton, and Clark. That’s if they want to keep the core they just built in tact (that’s a curious "if" as well).”

Notice the second sentence in that. I wasn’t saying they would get anything for those players…just that those are the players they can trade without creating issues at other positions. Not only that…but read the subject line of my post! “but I wouldn’t think the Magic can get him.” Is that the part you think I’m dreaming out? Because I’m pretty sure the dreaming you think I’m doing has nothing to do with what I’ve posted here.

Look, I understand you don’t like this trade. That’s obvious. I’m not out to change your mind, mainly because I don’t know if I like it all that much myself. I think there’s potential to be a better team with the pieces that they have now, than they had before. The problem with the last group was that they weren’t living up to their potential…so we’ll have to see if this group does.

I’m merely commenting on how things MIGHT work, rather than commenting on how things WON’T work, and assuming the team is a failure before they ever take the floor, much less start playing as a team.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 20, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

So

You just spent 7 paragraphs explaining why something you’re suggesting won’t happen.

Excellent.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 21, 2010 7:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear Tree Rollins is available

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by Brickhaus on Dec 20, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Ewing or Foyle might be better options

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* Among those with no skills whatsoever

by JayPar16 on Dec 20, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

THE TIGER!

who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
around here we developed such a sound down here
but duplicate it off the steel it can only be found here

by 4QB on Dec 20, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

please God no

he’s about as good as Malik Allen

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 20, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I could get behind either of those trades

Despite the fact that Battie had that horrible habit of putting his mouth guard into his arm sleeve when he checked out of the game.

Proudly mocking the Disciples of Panic (some Magic fans) since October 29, 2010.

by funny80sguy on Dec 20, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like either

but why would NY want Duhon back? I just can’t see them getting him for another 3 yrs.

But I also though the same about Turk…

"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.

by L Magico on Dec 20, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Milwaukee and Dallas

are 2 other options. Jennings is going to be out for 4-6 weeks and they only have Dooling and Boykins so they may need a PG. Wouldn’t mind Brockman as a backup C or even Mboute to our wing “stopper”.

Dallas has 4(!) centers on the roster with Chandler, Haywood, Ajinca, and Mahinmi. Why they would want Duhon, I don’t know. But maybe Barea or Kidd get hurt or Beaubois doesn’t heal in time. I’m just hoping.

My top 5-Ryan Hollins, Ben Wallace, David Anderson, Brockman, or Kwame Brown.
Bottom trade-anything that gives up anyone other than Duhon or Allen.

"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.

by L Magico on Dec 20, 2010 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

Really? Hmmmm...

I wonder if the Suns waived him as part of a gentleman’s agreement with the Magic.

Proudly mocking the Disciples of Panic (some Magic fans) since October 29, 2010.

by funny80sguy on Dec 21, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a 7 fter... but thats about it

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 21, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

No... no... NO: NOT Redick!

Let’s STOP this “trade Redick for… WHATEVER!” argument. It seems like I HAVE to remind you (and I will… ad nauseam) that Redick is our most consistent player, outside of Howard. And let me remind all those with short-term memory problems that Redick just scored 21 points last night; 29 just a couple of nights before and has been the MOST proactive, playmaker of the whole lot… for the past month! To all those Redick haters… find another goat to pin the Magic troubles on!

Besides, he can VETO any trade, as part of his contract: He WANTS to stay in Orlando, and we want him too! End of line.

Now, on a more constructive line of thought, there are OTHER options out there…

One that just appeared: The Suns announced today that they have waived 7-foot, 250-pound center Earl Barron. He’s played for 5 seasons, and although he’s no game-changer, he has some skills and is available… for FREE! Let’s get this done.

by manny55 on Dec 22, 2010 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Earl Barron

Not good enough for the size challenged Suns, but will take Orlando over the top for a title.

Yeah, that seems likely.

We need quality size, not some guy who was an injury away from the D-League a month ago. Barron’s not changing anything. Redick has value; very few Orlando players do. If Redick needs to go, he’ll go. Few people want to see him gone, but if we don’t have any other options, so be it.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 23, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

No

Stupid would be holding out for a trade that doesn’t exist and allowing a gaping hole on our roster to go unfilled.

We’re going to have to give up something to get something. You can’t just wish that some of our other players were good. They’re not. We don’t have any realistically tradeable assets other than JJ.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 24, 2010 5:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I want to buy your car for 50% of what it is worth. I’ll throw in a cheese burger to make sure you get value.

Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.

by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 24, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

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