Orlando Magic Trade Rashard Lewis to Washington Wizards for Gilbert Arenas
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 18, 2010 4:12 PM EST
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PrintThe Orlando Magic have made their second major trade of the afternoon. As Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel reports, via Twitter, Orlando has agreed to send Rashard Lewis to the Washington Wizards for Gilbert Arenas. Orlando Pinstriped Post reported exclusively last night that Lewis would head to D.C. in a proposed deal for Arenas, whose reign as the Wizards' franchise player is officially at an end.
Despite acquiring a trio of players from the Phoenix Suns earlier today, the Magic have yet to formally announce either deal, but that's simply a matter of time. Orlando has decided to make a drastic early-season shakeup, hoping an infusion of newcomers can boost it back to near the top of the league.
Lewis took to Twitter to thank Magic fans for their support:
Yo boy off to DC it was fun playing in Orlando had a great time trying to win it all got close but not close enough but it's been real.
This series of moves leaves the Magic extremely shorthanded for tonight's game against the Philadelphia 76ers. Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, Lewis, and Mickael Pietrus have all been traded, while Ryan Anderson and Daniel Orton are injured. As such, Orlando will only dress eight players, and its bench will consist of veteran point guards Jason Williams and Chris Duhon, as well as veteran big man Malik Allen.
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Thanks for the Memories Shard.
You’ll be missed by me at least. You were clutch for us on many occasions, and apparently the Magic fans on this site have a what have you done for me lately mentality. No loyalty.
Let's Go Magic!
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 18, 2010 4:13 PM EST reply actions
That's not an OPP/3QC mentality
It’s a typical Orlando Magic fan mentality. T-Mac, Penny? Not enough educated Magic fans in general but the vast majority of posters here at OPP/3QC are well informed fans in my opinion.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody" -svg
Then I apologize
I’ll have to say that during our finals run two years ago, it was all Hedo, Dwight, and Sweet Lou who entertained me most. Wish we could have kept Hedo last year just to see if the chemistry was as good. If not, we could have made a trade.
Let's Go Magic!
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 18, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
3 years 62 million after this year fo gilbert WOW
LETS GO HEAT!!!!!!!
Joel Anthony is the man
Henne please don't be good be Great
here's the magics front office
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw42yVgGth8
LETS GO HEAT!!!!!!!
Joel Anthony is the man
Henne please don't be good be Great
Stan wasn't kidding after the last game when he said that there will be changes to the lineups
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 4:15 PM EST reply actions
I hope Jameer drives
and kicks it out to the baseline (to no one) in honor of Shard tonight lol
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 18, 2010 4:16 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
That would be awesome.
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by nateforchiefs on Dec 18, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
was this a typo?
or intended for a gilbert reference?
lewis for gilbert? just not a good move IMO
by celticinorlando on Dec 18, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions
Why?
There were no other options for either player and they both needed a change, Arenas because of Wall and the guns, Rashard becasue he had lost his swagger.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
true. Shard lost all his confidence after his suspension last yr
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
he was just too one dimensional
and was exposed. Not abotu swagger, the guy shouldve been playing on a contract similar to the one Hedo signed with Toronto. Thats Otis SMith’s bad, and unfortunately for shard changed the expectations put on his shoulders
Very true.
But he wasn’t one-dimensional, he was just utilized that way. He’s a good post-up player, when he gets the opportunities, and played good D for us too. He just didn’t rebound the ball well. He was a big part of our success, but yeah, the contract Otis gave him (his bad, not Rashard’s… as if ANY of us would tell an employer to spend less on us) attributed to unrealistic expectations.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Best of luck, 'Shard.
Blah.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 4:24 PM EST reply actions
Feels like someone died
Rashard came up big against what may have been our greatest series win against the Cavs. Hope these new guys dont make us regret these moves.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
yea and he almost single handedly lose last years series vs Boston
Is it possibel to be more non existent than Rashard was vs KG last year? Id say thats one of our biggest series losses in team history, and Rashard was absolutely atrocious
nobody wanted Rashard to workout more thanthe GM that just traded him away
If he wasnt a complete hindrance to us, Otis wouldve done whatever it took to keep him around. I give Otis props for making this move, considering he is essentially waving the white flag on a BAD 115 mil contract he gave out
I also completely agree with this
That’s the hard part with anything. It’s never really black and white.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
Yes, it is possible to be more non-existent than Rashard was last year.
Because he played good D on KG and held him to essentially the same production that KG held him to. The problem is that Rashard is more important to us offensively than KG is to Boston.
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by slickw143 on Dec 19, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh you and your facts.
How quaint.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 20, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions
all with the stomach flu
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case, 'cause "...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 22, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the memories.
He was straight cold-blooded for so long.
This all being said, this is the trade I’m excited about. Getting back Turk is something that genuinely worries me. And we only get Richardson for one year. And our front court now looks a little weak.
/being a worry-wort, probably.
Will we re-sign JRichardson?
We should have his Bird rights.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
We will have his Bird rights
Its up to Otis to decide if he is a keeper. Probably depends on what else is available and the new CBA.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
JRich is the only thing I like about these trades
And he might be a half a year rental.
The 2012 hangover from all this is going to hurt so bad.
Earl Clark has some upside
Very raw, but the potential is there
Honor is no substitute for victory.
+1
If CBA allows, he’s absolutely perfect. Arenas, Nelson and Hedo all love to dribble around meanwhile he could camp out on the perimeter all day.
what does bird rights mean?
so even if we are over the cap, which we will be, we can still re-sign j rich??
Ok, Evan ... tell me what to think
When should I check back for the post-trade analysis thread?
ESPN has some analysis
But I haven’t actually read the article yet. I’ve just been reading here.
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Not to be a dick, but you miss page views by waiting 'til Monday.
That’s when all the major sites will have their biggest reporters post about their /take on the trade. I mean, for god’s sakes, good ole Woj over at Y! Sports keeps pretending they broke the story.
Iz just sayin’.
Doesn't mean they'd be worth a darn
The person(s) who can best break down how new cogs fit are ones who already know what the existing players do to a tee.
Arnovitz take seems pretty accurate and insightful as usual
Richardson is a big upgrade but interior depth takes a huge hit. Lot of pressure on Bass now.
g-ddamn, i freaking have finals to study for, WHY OTIS?!?
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
lol yeah I was out Christmas shopping all day
come back, check the site, and see the internet’s exploded. Good times.
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
i've got a 3G phone, checked it for texts and i see a ton of ORL stuff on twitter
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
lol I think Evan said something similar
that he was gonna turn his phone off but thought better of it
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
its weird (for me) that he changed his name because
i have a huge lowerclassmen crush on a soccer stud at school whose name is ‘evan’
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
(completely unrelated to your comment)
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
lmao
it’s weird for me too. I still have to remind myself not to call him Ben anymore.
Also his name just reminds me of Evan Lysacek, who’s an idiot.
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
evan lysacek grew up in my city! went to a rival high school though
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
:P naperthrill
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
so long rashard your one of the reasons i started watching basketball
so long peaches im gonna miss the crazy faces u make and the polish hammer
......great
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
there is a god!
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by gatorboi352 on Dec 18, 2010 4:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
For now?
Whos else Orlando have to back up Dwight? Nobody ……….. That will be the big weakness for the Magic.
Clark perhaps? Along with Allen and Orton at the moment.
Crushing weaker minds since 1978
Over 1 million served.
Clark's a young, skinny guy who can't even guard other 4's, let alone 5's.
Orton isn’t healthy and is a D-League player when he is. Malik Allen is old and is a never-was.
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you left out Foyle
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If we weren't over the cap he'd be right after Ewing
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
ahhh! Forgot about that, good catch!
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Shouldn't Tree Rollins be somewhere in that rotation?
Honor is no substitute for victory.
My guess...
The Center rotation will go like this: Howard, Allen, Clark, Anderson
In fairness, while I really liked Gortat, most teams with a “franchise” Center don’t normally have someone of great quality playing behind them. It’s expected that being that integral, they stay on the floor. There will certainly be some added pressure on Howard to stay out of foul trouble now.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 18, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
The Magic lost some great characters.
Pietrus and Gortat were both really fun guys to watch. Lewis could be as cold-blooded as any player in the league, too. Carter was always ragged on, but could be a joy to watch when he would go all Vincanity on teams. Sad to see any of them go.
I’m surprised that in all these moves, especially when getting Arenas, Duhon didn’t get included anywhere.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 18, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions
I'm certain we tried
to dump Duhon on someone but that 89 Offensive rating, 32% turnover rating and his -.3 Offensive Win Shares this season wasn’t getting picked up by anyone.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody" -svg
never gonna win a ring : /
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
watch Phoenix win it all this year ;________;
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
god i'd be pissed but also happy for Nash
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
Both Nash and Hill deserve a ring.
It pains me that the Suns really don’t have much of a chance. They just lack the paint presence to make it all the way – and I don’t think Gortat is gonna do it.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 18, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
i agree : / their ring chances just keep going down though
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
Almost certainly true
Joins a pretty illustrious group, though.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
Sweet Lew, I'll miss you.
..but I know you’ll wipe those Texas tears away with that Texas-sized contract money.
MP: I miss you the most, good luck in PHX.
Gort
ORL★NDO, our time will come.
by magic12ball on Dec 18, 2010 4:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
arenas starting at pg is killing for me right now on 2k11
Abracadabra homes
by nowuseemenowudont on Dec 18, 2010 4:37 PM EST reply actions
I'll miss Rashard more than Vince
But the Magic really needed a heart transplant. My boy Turk is back!!!
Hey Otis you’ve almost completed my Christmas list. Get CLee!!!
by telka on Dec 18, 2010 4:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i'm still mad about losing Clee, i thought he was great. + young
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
I really liked him
He was so fast, but also a little short.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
true he was short, a BIT overrated after the playoffs run
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
what does CLee have to do with anything?
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, be nice to have him back too
why don’t we just get all our boys from ‘08 back? Where’s Rafer…
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
good point, where IS he
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
smokin bluntz
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Unban me from the OPP!"...........David Polega
by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
OMG, I thought you were joking
This is a very upheavely day.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
DADT = YAY and then orl trades = ;/
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
haha it's very emotional, isn't it! lol
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Sign Foyle!
He’ll give you some depth on tonight’s bench!
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I don't think that's gonna happen, hun
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I can only hope.
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Yes..............
and also Bo Outlaw……yesssssssssss
Hakeem too while we're at it!
He’d be able to give us 5 solid minutes!
This is the one that really gets me bummed.
Why couldn’t we see how Lewis responds back with playing with Hedo? That 3-4 PnR was deadly. Good lord…
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
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It's not like Arenas wouldn't have been available in a month ....
And no one else in the league would ever consider trading for him.
EXACTLY. CAPS LOCK IS NECESSARY FOR THIS.
What was the rush, Otis? Register on these boards and explain that to me, please.
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Not makes sense at all......................
What is the point to bring Hedo back if we trade Lewis….. Lewis and Hedo combo was the perfect combination alongside Howard.
exactly!!!
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
just got the ORL text, everything is official now
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
yeah
it’s all over ESPN, NBA.com, SI.com, and Orlando Sentinel.com
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
i wish this arenas/lewis was a dream
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
Is there ANY chance of ANY new players at tonight's game?
I’m sure that there probably isn’t, but the next 3 games after today are going to be baptism by fire for sure.
At least Hedo already knows the system.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
okay i have to go study. hope to come back to another thread
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
good luck with your studies!
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
wow. just saw via yahoo that the magic made a major splash. i almost can’t believe how many players are being shipped out and how many coming in. what is the general reaction by magic fans? you guys for the trades? and who is evan dunlap? a new writer? i haven’t been on here for a while.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
as for me, i like the players they acquired. i still think arenas has plenty left in the tank. and richardson is a very good two guard. interesting that they’ve reacquired hedo. i am not sure how many big guys the team currently has. depth at 4 and 5?
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
Evan Dunlap is Ben Q Rock.
BQR was a pseudonym that he decided to stop using.
Arenas will tear Chalmers/Arroyo up when we play Miami.
I love the move honestly. We have promising young 4’s and Lewis lost his way. Richardson is my favorite signing and Stan will get Hedo back to MVP form with the pick and roll.
We picked up two people who can create for themselves consistently! I’m really excited. And watching Richardson get the alley’s is gonna be nice.
I just played a 2k11 game with Arenas starting too and I was destroying. We’ve got pick and roll options everrrywheree.
i like them too. shoot, this got me all excited and the magic aren’t even my favorite team. i can’t wait for the guys to gel, and the magic hopefully come out of the east. at least this team, to me, is way more likable than boston or miami.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
Hedo = NEVER MVP form.
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What is with the trend of people judging things by their 2K11 games???
That’s not an accurate representation of the NBA…
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Trading a first rounder and Gortat was too much
Now we have no size which we were going to need to win that ship and whats with the magic hating draft picks? They act like we are playing maddon or something.
A first round pick from Orlando
is no better than a lamppost.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, it's pretty much a 2nd pick with guaranteed money
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
yeah, Dwight has been pretty bad...
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Unless we're planning on tanking, we ain't gonna be anywhere near the #1 overall pick
Honor is no substitute for victory.
then you should've excluded #1 picks! :D
and CLee worked out well for us, and JJ’s finally working out…though overall, yeah, our drafting record doesn’t usually hold up
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
JJ’s finally working out
I’m gonna remember you said that…
And yeah, looking at our first rounders since 2000 doesn’t exactly instill confidence:
Mike Miller
Keyon Dooling
Courtney Alexander
Steven Hunter
Jeryl Sasser
Curtis Borchardt
Reece Gaines
Dwight Howard
Fran Vasquez
JJ Redick
Courtney Lee
Daniel Orton
There are four good players, one who’ll probably be a good player, and a LOT of misses in that batch.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
thats the NBA draft
Your not gonna find contributors every year
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
WOW
arenas for lewis is AMAZING in my eyes…the dude is still fast, can penetrate, and is a playmaker…the Suns deal made me mad, until I saw that we got J Rich too..I thought Carter should have stayed, but J rich is like a slightly younger version of Carter..getting Hedo back is cool i guess, only if he returns to form
I’m gonna miss Pietrus, i thought he was our best defender..im not gonna really miss Rashard at all, he was good 2 years ago, but hasn’t done anything since. Gortat was expendable since we have Dwight
My 2 questions are:
1.) What’s the starting lineup? Is Richardson or Turk gonna come off the bench?
2.) Who’s our backup center
Also, I think Earl Clark is a pretty nice player too..probly wont do anything for us this year, but he has some potential
Gortat was not expendable, since we don’t have two Dwights. And I’m considerably less enthusiastic about Arenas because I disagree that he’s still fast and a playmaker. I also already miss ’Shard.
Otherwise, I guess I agree with you.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
i know he might not be the player he once was
but i think he can get back to the level did u see what he did to us
A lot of people did that to us...
…which is another reason I don’t like this trade: it doesn’t help the defense at all.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Arenas is still better off the dribble and more athletic then Jameer
Jameer, J.Richardson, Turk, Bass, Howard.
It was a upgrade at every position in my eyes.
you guys still remember how many times Agent 0 got to the line the last time we played?
I didn’t count, but it was a parade of FT’s that game for him
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Unban me from the OPP!"...........David Polega
by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but that was against our weak perimeter D.
Which was what drove Dwight to publicly criticize the other players… and it’s something we actually got worse with after the trade.
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I dont understand why we lost Pietrus in the trade
We lost that trade big time
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta be Arenas off the bench (at least for now)
Starting Jameer, JRich, Hedo, Bass, D12
Off the bench Arenas, JJ, QRich, Ryno
I’m just glad that this should BURY Duhon in the rotation.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
It's all good... you'll see
We gave up Carter, Pietrus, Lewis and Gortat.
But look what we GAIN!
In Richardson, we get a DOUBLE HOME RUN! A guy who can generate him own shot (we HAD to get one of those…), drives GREAT to the basket, PLUS (BIG plus here…) he has a KILLER 3-point shot to boast! He therefore, is BETTER than Carter AND Lewis… put together!
In Arenas, it’s more ify. He has a history of injury and behavior problems, true. But Otis KNOWS him better than anyone; he KNOWS how to deal with him and in the Magic organization, with Van Gundy’s SHORT chain… he’ll FIT, believe me. On the upside, Arenas is a tall guard, with REAL GUNS! He’ll go for the basket and WILL shoot lots of free throws… YESSSS!
We get the TURK back! Yes… 3 years older. But he KNOWS OUR system; fits like a glove; can even play point… at 6’10"!!! Him and Richardson will BLOW teams away from the 3-point line, or drive HARD to the basket; you pick your poison. Arenas and Nelson are now the BEST scoring threat Backcourt Duo in the NBA!
ANd we even get one BIG, young C/PF prospect, with bigger potential than Orton… for the future.
Yes… the Magic lost some INDIVIDUAL defense. But VG system depends on COLLECTIVE HELP DEFENSE. That will come back, big time… in due course. You’ll see…
Plus… with these pieces, we might even have a BETTER chance of later landing either Carmelo, or some other BIG Star down the road.
This is a GREAT deal, I believe! Just wait and see…
I completely agree
We finally got a couple of athletes…bout time!
yupp
i dont know about agent zero coming off the bench..i would think hedo would be the one to come off the bench
Starting lineup:
Nelson, Arenas, Richardson, Bass, Howard
Bench:
Duhon, JJ, Hedo, Anderson, Clark?
only thing i’m worried about is who our backup C is gonna be???
What makes you think our defense will "come back, big time"???
Please, elaborate.
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Let's all be thankful to Carter and Lewis, shall we?
This hateful talk is nonsense! This is why I hate all this “Fantasy” game crap… it makes HUMAN beings into playthings, to be moved at our pleasure. Well, they’re NOT!
Let’s STOP all this hate towards Lewis and Carter; the Magic brought them for a reason and it didn’t quite work like we wanted. Some had to do with age and a declining set of skills. Some were mental blocks. Some had to do with Coaching, as Lewis was moved from the position he played comfortably for Seattle and had only one good year at the power forward position Van Gundy forced him to. Yes, it’s NOT mentioned here, but Coaching played a part in this whole debacle.
What IS important now is that we REMEMBER and RESPECT the Player and the Man in them: They came and gave their all, limitations and all. They are Professionals and we should treat them with RESPECT. Lewis WON a KEY game for us in that Finals run and indeed played an important role in that unforgettable Season. For THAT he has my undying gratitude…
I understand this HAD to be done… but let’s make this clear: When you have a FAMILY… including parents here in Orlando… ROOTS in the community, believe me NO MONEY CAN MAKE YOU HAPPY. Believe me, Carter is NOT happy about this… neither am I!
It’s sad… no, PATHETIC the way SOME people here THINK that money is EVERYTHING… buys ANYTHING. These are NOT the values I instill in my children…
by manny55 on Dec 18, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Capital LETTERS!
I am EXCITED! I need more EMPHASIS!
(kidding)
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 5:21 PM EST reply actions
so who starts at point? arenas or nelson? or is nelson and arenas in the backcourt?
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
Arenas comes off the bench
And Duhon falls off the end of the bench (thank god!)
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
Nelson starts, Arenas off the bench.
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do u kno this for sure?
or is it speculation
speculation. Just makes sense to me.
Oh, and now according to Andrew Melnick of Howard The Dunk, Stan just said: “Nelson will not be coming off the bench”
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i cant see gilbert or nelson coming off the bench
i think hedo should come off the bench..he can’t play PF, we saw him try in PHO and fail
SVG just talking about someone must come off the bench
But said that Jameer will not come off the bench no way.
It’s going to be JRich, Hedo, or Arenas off the bench.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
Jameer is co-captain and Stan's extension on the court.
No way he comes off the bench.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
but why take on a contract that pays a player 60 million for 4 years just to have him come off the bench? if that’s the case, it doesn’t make much sense for me. not a smart move, if this is the case. too much for a back up.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
That's my point too.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I hate this attitude
The coach’s job is to manage players and get the most out of them individually and as a team. If the player can handle the idea of being a 6th man and it is good for the team, it shouldn’t matter AT ALL what the paychecks say.
It is when people get stuck on making basketball decisions based on business decisions that everything goes all pear shaped.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
That's the coach's job, yes.
But it’s the GM’s job to not go after a $10 million-plus player who is going to come off the bench. That’s the GM’s failing… and we might have two of them on this team. Not to mention almost $4 million for a 12th man for the second year in a row.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Sucks to have legit options doesn't it?
by O-Town MagiCane on Dec 18, 2010 5:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
"Evan!
Unban me from the OPP!"...........David Polega
by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
What are our front court options?
Our frontcourt rotation currently is… Dwight, Bass, Anderson, Malik Allen, Earl Clark, Orton.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Magic just finally became ATHLETIC!
It will show on both sides of the ball.
by O-Town MagiCane on Dec 18, 2010 5:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This is sarcasm right?
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I just checked the wizards blog, and they're all livid about the trade
Only half the people are. So just based on that, I think we’ll do OK
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Unban me from the OPP!"...........David Polega
by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 5:25 PM EST reply actions
IDK why? It works for both teams.
Lewis should do well there.
by O-Town MagiCane on Dec 18, 2010 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like it for Washington all around.
Saving money, getting rid of a headcase, getting someone who fits with Wall’s game better, shorter contract, etc…
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Yeah, they did well.
Got rid of their worst contract to the only GM in the league that remembers the Gil of 4 years ago.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
The answer is Fran Vazques............
Seriously maybe is time for the Magic to persue to bring Vazques from Spain, we have seen how players like Oberto, Garbajosa and most recently Houston Louis Scola came in their late 20’s and somehow make an impact in the league …Why no bring Fran Vazques to be Howard’s back up? hey you never know…….
I believe he just signed a new contract.
I have watched him play,no thanks
by O-Town MagiCane on Dec 18, 2010 5:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can understand this trade a lot better than the one with PHO.
If Arenas’ knees hold up, and he gets back close enough to what he used to be, we will have a scorer who can create his own shots. Those are many iffs, but let’s hope that the positives materialize, because if they do, I don’t worry much about Arenas’ history, and can chalk them off as mistakes made while lessons learnt, and move on.
Why?
PHX has set themselves up to rebuild. They are likely not a playoff team this year or a threat. You might see Nash gone soon.
by O-Town MagiCane on Dec 18, 2010 5:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hedo was filler...needed to dump him to get J-Rich.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
He made a lot of big shots for us, and, with the exception of last year's Boston series, was money in the playoffs.
A big part of our success in the last three years.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I don't know about Offense or Defense but...
The Arenas/Lewis deal will definitely maintain our “sleepy looking player” numbers.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
Well its official
after today’s events… I’m getting drunk tonight
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
getting drunk is always a good solution
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Its my answer to most evrything
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
according to Random Man on ESPN
apparently some players were getting tired of listening to Stan.
Okay!
I'm a girl.
Carter probably not
Lewis maybe
Gortat definitely
Peitrus doesnt understand half the things said at any given time
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
lol I'm going to miss Peaches ;_____;
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
me too
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
no one can randomly step out of bounds like he can...
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he was the best… ‘cries’
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
when he would run the ball up the court in a one-on-zero
and then stop with his foot on the line and shoot a three in transition and then miss….man, I’m gonna miss those little moments
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
good times
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I really love the way he would chuck up random 3's.
Although I did like the way the went in sometimes too.
I'm a girl too.
Haters gonna hate.
I'd be too after my GM completely threw me under the bus
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Arenas, Hedo play no defense whatsoever
Stan was probably wanting to get more athletic on the wing to help Dwight on D
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I meant why do you think Otis threw Stan under the bus?
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well in Evan post it made it seem like SVG and the owner were against the Arenas trade
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
ah...
I think a lot of people are still anti-Arenas. My dad is really displeased.
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
I knew I liked your Dad
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
it definitely seems like he isn't a big fan (especially the Lewis trade)
However, Stan is always a pessimist so that’s to be expected to a degree.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
Finally!!
The Magic brass could see what a few of us have been saying for several months now – Lewis and Carter are Done – Done Double Done! – despite all the “stat monkey” homers making excuses for them night after night!!
I welcome the changes and hope that we will now have a team that will attack the basket more successfully and take us to the next level!!
Its not the fact we NEEDED a trade its WHO we got in return
We are OLDER now than we were yesterday. Now we dont have any young pieces left to trade or reliable depth. Basically this is a last ditch desperate attempt at winning it all this year
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
How are we older?
Vince-33
Rashard-31
Gortat-26
MP-29
Gilbert-28
Jason Richardson-29
Hedo-31
Earl Clark-22-24
We are actually younger than we were.
I'm Mr.Magic
They never got in the way of any of your arguments, right?
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Earl Clark is not an impact player, at least not in the next two years.
Hedo has been playing pro ball since he was a teenager like Rashard. Gilbert’s knees are functionally probably older than Vince’s. J-Rich is still good at 29, but he’s older than Gortat and on the last year of his contract. Oh, we gave up a first-round pick too, which offsets Earl Clark anyways.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
you still have it?! lol
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
of course!
I spent a lot of money on that damn thing.
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
But you couldnt wear it out once he got traded?
why keep it?
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
of course I could wear it
people wear old jerseys all the time.
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
but I sneer at those people
Dont make me sneer at you Squid
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
sneer away
now, I haven’t worn it since he left, so there’s that
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
good girl
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
:D
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
awesome Otis
lets have a MAX player come off the bench
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know who is off the bench
SVG said it will be Arenas, JRich, or Hedo. He doesn’t know yet.
Though my guess is it will be Arenas.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
Jameer is our PG
who cares about his contract. Anyone’s better than freakin’ Duhon.
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Best thing in this whole deal
Is that Duhon will be buried DEEP in the rotation (until JJ infects the entire roster again).
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
I blame JJ for all of this
if he hadn’t gotten sick and infected EVERYONE, affecting the lineup and breaking apart all the good mojo we were having….
f*cker…
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I hadn't thought of it that way
But I’m really not surprised you did. :)
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
Truth has done the opposite of setting us free.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
as long as I'm still right, though
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
You're just a hater TGS. Admit it!
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Stan a little worried about being small
I don’t think he should, he’s a big guy…
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 5:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
ZING!
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
/facepalm. Just facepalm.
As a Magic fan, the only thing that could make this worse is if they traded JJ for Delonte West. Or if they traded Dwight to L.A. for Luke Walton.
These are good trades
And I honestly think the Magic will sign another minimum vet to play some minutes. Guys Dwight is 25 years old. HE CAN LOG A LOT OF MINUTES. Daniel Orton can play and Malik Allen and maybe sign another vet.
Dwight can log a lot of minutes...
If he doesn’t get in foul trouble.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I'm thrilled to never have to worry about Lewis again. Carter as well.
These were good moves. Anyone hating on them should lighten up. Lewis is gone!!! Otis did it!!! Now that’s skill. He might as well have turned water into wine. It’s a miracle.
And you never know, the trade deadline is a long way away. Maybe these moves were made so that more moves could be made. We’ll have to wait and see. Lovin the changes so far though.
Crushing weaker minds since 1978
Over 1 million served.
Also keep in mind
WE KEPT BASS AND ANDERSON. While also picking up Earl Clark. Just sign a veteran big. Seriously everyone needs to calm down. Maybe the Magic can get back in my top five for the power rankings.
My lineups
Jameer-Gil
Richardson-JJ/Gil
Turk-Q/Clark
Bass/Anderson
Dwight-Allen, Orton, min vet
Water to wine???
He turned Florida water into third-world water.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
not really he bought champagne that had been opened and left out in the open
so it was kinda bad. it was still champagne though so he paid quite a bit for it
referring to matty b's comment
i’m glad i never have to watch rashard lewis again..he disgusted me this year
I will miss VC’s dunk highlights and Pietrus (i thought he was a good role player and clutch)
but we just added a star player (when healthy), a great sg, and hopefully a revived Hedo
Did you count JRich twice?
Because Arenas is none of those things.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
arenas
still has star potential…he can create his own shot, get to the line, and dish out dimes
What are you basing this off of?
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Arenas hasn't been healthy for 3 years.
And even when he’s been able to play on his wrecked knees, he’s faked an injury to let someone else play.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Losing Gortat made me reminisce about the good time
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
Interesting set of trades.
Question is: Did Otis really have to do something? Perhaps he felt pressure. Perhaps he thought a change was necessary.
I wouldn’t have taken both Hedo & Arenas. That’s just a toxic contract situation.
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It's not the same terms that Turk agreed to with Toronto
He gave up quite a bit of money to go to phx.
Gilbert Arenas
Really? Gilbert Arenas? The Wizards have wanted to dump him for 2+ years now, and they finally found a victim.
Arenas' arrival means we negate the usefulness of Chris Duhon
We could shift Q-Rich back to two, sure he won’t be the defensive stopper MP was (I’m gonna miss that out-of-bounds stepping Frenchman) he’ll be better than Arenas.
But this team definitely looks better on paper (read: offensively) but I might be a bit worried the second unit has no big guys now that Bass is probably going to be starting
Another question I have...
Honestly, what is going to happen with Duhon? We’re paying him like $4 mill, and he’s going to be the 4th best PG on our roster (or 6th best guard).
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
So I leave for my honeymoon for a few weeks and this is what happens?
The Magic were playing their best basketball of the season when I left and since they’ve dropped a ton of games and the whole roster gets blown up to regain Turk, Jason Richardson and GILBERT ARENAS!!!
I’ll never take another honeymoon again that’s for sure.
I’m really going to miss Sweet Lew. I loved his personality.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
poor poor man...poor man!
Got married huh? ENJOY!! hahahahahaha…
Congratulations
But I sure hope that this isn’t the reason you won’t take another honeymoon.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
Yeah, I was making a joke.
I don’t plan to do the whole marriage thing again. One time for me is all I need.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
"Potential is There"
I guess this will end the complaints for a trade until the end of the season if we don’t go all the way lol! But I like what we did, I haven’t seen too much of Arenas’ game, but his production can’t be any worst than what we started getting from Rashard. And I mean, I’m a passionate fan too, and ya its sports, but like Morpheus said in the Matrix, “Free your mind!” Ya the guy did something stupid with the gun issue, but he got his punishment, and it had nothing to do with his on court performance, and ya it was a serious offense, but up untill that point wasn’t he a likable figure in that area….move on. Kobe had his issues and apart from being a little smug, his character is overall looked upon as good. As for losing Rashard, I’ll miss the guy, cause he did a lot for the team, and it was fun getting Lewis comparisons, but no way getting around Rashard’s decline for what he’s getting paid.
Now that Stan has established Jameer is starting, I’m sure there gonna play around and see whats effective, but I think Jason Richardson would be a better fit for the Shooting Guard. With that said, Jameer and Arenas can split the PG position and Arenas can bring a punch of the bench….that bench would get even more dangerous, especially when you have the Heat always keeping either Wade or Lebron in….maybe Otis can help him be okay with being in that role, if that is what happens. Because if its all about winning then I’m sure he would at least try it and see how it goes. Next lets see how it goes, I have a feeling either Q or Ryan Anderson is gonna get traded to add a big who’s a really decent center who can also play so PF. Don’t know who we can get though lol….
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